Dave Pogson – Atonement – Class 3

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OK, it’s been a month, but I’m
not going to go back over much,

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OK?
And in fact, nothing.

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We’ve got up the point we’re
looking at Genesis chapter 3.

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OK?
Instead of taking a giant step

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forward, which they could have
done under trial, they took a

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giant step backwards.
Simple as that.

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OK, And the serpent deceived the
woman, but she disbelieved God

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and believed the serpent.
Then the woman deceived the man

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and he hearkened the voice of
his wife, and he didn’t hearken

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under God.
So fundamentally, the first

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problem in sin is unbelief.
Unbelief has a disorientating

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effect upon the mind.
It’s called a corrupt state of

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mind.
And this leaves you very

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vulnerable to transgressing
God’s law.

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OK, now young people, if you’ve
got a baby, I’ve got you

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tonight.
You’ve been hiding.

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I’ve got you.
Get on here.

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He’s supposed to be an expert on
all this.

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He’s right up to clause 612 to
16 at the moment in the

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statement of faith.
You know, it’s a pretty heavy

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hill, you know.
So if I don’t know the answer to

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any of your questions, I’ll get
him to answer them for us.

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So you’re let off tonight,
Chairman, You don’t have to

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answer the questions.
OK, so that was the.

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The the the whole thing.
And how that they then knew they

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were naked.
That indicated A tremendous

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physiological change had taken
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Physiological means function.
It doesn’t mean a change of

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nature.
That means a change in the

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function of our bodies, OK.
So that their propensities

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obviously were awakened to a
degree which they didn’t have

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before, OK, So they knew they’re
naked.

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They’re very embarrassed about
it, as well as the shame and the

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fear and everything that all
comes, comes tumbling back into

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the mind after a transgression.
I don’t have to explain that

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we’re all experienced that
we’re, we’re really experts in

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sin.
We’re, we’re not experts in His

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Holiness, OK?
We’re really experts in sinners.

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That’s amazing how much it’s
blinded us.

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So and that becomes a subject.
So the next point is.

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No problems with that.
Alan didn’t have any problems,

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so everything’s right.
So so the.

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Next thing is to recognise what
we inherit from Adam, from Eve

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as Adam and Eve, what we inherit
and the proposition.

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And everything I’m putting to
you is propositions on proving

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very little and going to
passages.

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I’m really only giving you a
feel for this.

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You see, Alan’s going to take
you through Romans chapters 1 to

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8.
I reckon you’ll get to about

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chapter 3.
Hope he doesn’t get any further

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than that.
He’ll give you all the proofs

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and details when he does Romans
one to three.

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OK, so we’re just this is a more
an appreciation study of the

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atonement.
Give some suggestions to you

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don’t have to accept them.
OK.

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I believe they’re consistent
with The Pioneers, pioneer

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writings, but maybe I’m
disappointed too, too.

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Anyway, So what came from Adam
and Eve and what we all inherit

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is these inflamed lust, the lust
for flesh, the lust for the and

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the pride of life.
OK, very necessary things for

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our existence.
Unfortunately, they’re too

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strong.
They too often get us into big

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trouble.
OK.

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And it’s we see from Romans 5,
it’s produced a prop.

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So right now we’re going to have
a look at Romans 512 and 18 and

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9 by one man.
And the one man of course is

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Adam and Eve by one man, what we
inherit from Adam.

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So we’re looking at Romans
chapter 5.

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And now the Carter says about
Romans chapter 5.

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He says the sections of Romans
chapter 321 to 31, which we’re

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going to look at next night, and
Romans 512 to 21.

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So we’re glued to 12 and 21.
We are, he says we believe, the

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most important in the whole of
the Scriptures on the subject.

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They might well be the
touchstone by which to test

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every theory, the best
exposition of the subject and

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the truth literature is to be
found in our judgement in the

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pamphlet The Blood of Christ.
OK, so Brother Carter’s building

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his exposition of Romans, and
I’m doing a size pitch at this

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stage.
On on the blood of Christ, OK,

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and when you get round to
studying the blood of Christ, a

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number, every paragraph writes
through the book.

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So and make sure you all got it
the same.

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So when you crisscross backwards
and forwards in your discussion,

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you’ll know what page and what
paragraph you’re looking at.

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That’s the subject for you to do
now this.

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Little Book was written three
years before I was born, OK, But

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it’s interesting to note that
it’s prefaced by none other than

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CC Walker, OK, who took over
from Brother Roberts and the

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Christendorphian Magazine.
And he regarded this book as if

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you read the preface, right?
You read the preface, Brother CC

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Walker, who was a master in
Greek and Hebrew, OK.

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He regarded this exposition even
though in little places he

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disagrees with brother Thomas
and brother Robertson little

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things OK, he regards this book
as an outstanding exposition.

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It’s actually one of the very
first verse part from the the

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the prophet Isaiah written by
brother Robertson, brother

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Assisi Walker.
This is the real first verse by

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verse exposition we have.
It’s a pistol of the Romans.

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We highly recommend it.
All right, mines.

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I don’t use books.
I tend to abuse them, as you can

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see, but they’re getting
expensive these days.

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I don’t suggest you do that, but
just a little by the way, see

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that plastic cover on there that
was put on?

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It was a good idea to put a
plastic cover on that was put on

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and and there’s the old original
paper that stuck on it.

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Was stuck on by my only daughter
when she was 13 years of age,

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and it’s lasted all that time.
It’s incredible.

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Yeah.
What I was really leading up to

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was I’ve read it really many
times.

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And today I was reading through
Romans chapter 5.

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It was just like reading it as
if I’d never read it before.

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Doesn’t matter how often you
read the Epistle of the Romans.

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It’s just that refreshing and
that outstanding.

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OK.
However, you’ve got to learn to

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appreciate Brother Carter and
his works.

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That’s just a commercial for
Brother Carter’s book on the

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Epistle of the Romans.
OK Highly recommend it.

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OK, I was listening to Johnny
Martin 20 years ago on some

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tapes on his study class on
Romans, and he was recommending

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Brother Carter’s book.
And then a couple of weeks

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later, I’ve got this young
brother, must have been about

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35.
I won’t mention names, he said.

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Well, I’ve read this brother
card a bit.

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And he says, I find a very
ordinary poor old pro John

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Martin had to splatter about
economy of words he didn’t like

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to say to the brother.
You idiot, you just don’t

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appreciate what you’re reading.
OK.

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And you can do that.
You can read it and not

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appreciate it, but I look up
every word you know, and I work

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directly from the interlinears
on Greek, and I can tell by what

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I read out of the Greek and so
on that Brother Carter’s

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investigated every word and
every idea.

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He’d read every book on the
subject in and out of the truth.

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And what you’ve got in that book
is an absolute crystallization

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of the thought flow, not verse
by verse, abstract thought flow

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of the argument.
OK, end of commercial.

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So.
Romans chapter 5 tells us what

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we inherit from matter.
OK, ignoring verses 1 to 11,

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which are very important on the
atonement.

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We’ve not come back to that, OK
Verses 1 to 11 deal with the

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blessings of justification.
How do I know that?

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Because right in the front.
Oh, here I go again in the front

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of this book.
It gives you a complete breakup

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of the whole epistle of the
Romans.

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OK.
And before you even start

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studying, you go right through
the Bible and just put the

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headings in on each section on
Romans.

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All right, before I even try
marking up Romans.

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You got a lot of study to do
before you.

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Back up round, it’s good to have
the headings so you know what

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area you’re in at any time.
OK, it’s all in there and the

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sub break UPS in it and it tells
you in the in the index where

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what pages the sub break UPS are
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Fantastic little book.
On Romans, OK, so Wonder 11

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deals with the blessings of
justification, and that flows on

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to verse 12 to 20 to the end of
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Condemnation and righteousness
coming through two federal

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heads.
Condemnation and righteousness

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coming through two federal
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And we’re particularly
interested in this particular

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federal head here.
Adam and Eve, who are one fresh,

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they’re one.
They’re Adam.

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From this federal head, what
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man.
And inevitably we’ve got to look

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at when we look at the verses,
we’ve got to look at what we

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also inherit from Jesus Christ.
OK, so it’s time to put your

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thinking caps on.
It’s time to concentrate despite

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the noise, despite the warmth,
despite the fans.

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OK, you’ve got to read carefully
what’s been.

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Put So we go to verse 12 of
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OK, we have to go to a Medical
Center tomorrow morning and I

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couldn’t bring my beef case.
I couldn’t bring my interlinear

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with you to read this in Greek
for you, so you’re lucky I

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couldn’t fit it in.
So we’ll have to stick to the

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authorized version.
Aren’t you lucky?

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Great.
Won’t get bored with technical

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detail, right?
First 12 Wherefore, as by one

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man, sin entered into the world
and death by sin.

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That was our previous chart.
OK, Adam and Eve introduced sin

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into the world and death by sin.
But then it goes on and says and

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so death passed upon all men.
In the Greek it’s passed through

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to all men.
So here it is.

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They introduced sin and death
and it passed through to all

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men.
They became mortal and they

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became self tempters.
They became sinners, OK, rightly

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understood.
They became sinners reading on

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in verse 12.
And so death passed upon all

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men.
For that, all have seen.

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And there’s a lot of contention
on that last phrase.

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For that all have seen.
You notice in the margin against

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little 6 has got or in whom all
have sinned.

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OK, I can well assure you that
it’s not in the original.

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It can’t be justified.
Brother Carter in the indie book

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points it out and he’s got a
notation and help us Israel,

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where Brother Thomas uses it as
in whom all have sinned.

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He puts a notation down there
that can’t be sustained, the

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Greek, and that’s perfectly
correct.

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See that bit in whom in the
margin?

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You ought to cross it out
because it’s the Greek word for

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in is EN.
Our word is IN.

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The Greek is EN, OK, and there’s
no EN there.

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OK in the Greek.
It’s actually upon.

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It’s actually EPI upon the word
for that is upon her for that

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All have seen is actually a very
good translation to help you.

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It can be rendered for as much
as All have seen or.

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Upon which all have seen because
Adam passed on death and and he

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caused sin to enter the world
and passed on those inflamed

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entities and mortality every
man’s sin except for one blessed

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exception.
That’s in the past tense.

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You wonder why is in the past it
would have been simplified.

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He said well by 1.
Man sin in the world, death by

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sin, and so death.
Passed upon all.

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That all men’s sin that would
have been a lot simpler to put

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that, but he’s he’s simply
contracting it into actual fact.

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I mean, what he’s saying is by
one man seeing into the world

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all right, the source of it, the
transgression and the death that

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goes with it.
It all came in all comes under

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this sin and death.
OK by one man that came into the

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world all right and why?
Well, it’s obvious why he’s just

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got to look back for 4000 years.
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In other words, they had
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their bodies, they passed on
that to their children, and they

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would inevitably be
transgressors of more or less

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some.
Of the outs, out and out

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criminals, others would be very
righteous men, who however, from

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time to time fail.
And that’s just a fact of

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history, isn’t it?
OK, so to you, that’s the

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meaning of the expression for
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All have sinned.
Can you see the point of why I’m

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making that?
Probably not.

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I’ve got that many years of
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and I’m probably talking to
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Phil would understand.
OK, he’s getting, he’s getting a

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bit old himself.
Yeah, so.

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So, so, So what?
It’s not saying, however, all

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right, what it’s not saying the
Catholic Church says that last

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phrase for that all that sin
should be in whom?

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All sin, that when Adam sinned,
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And that’s the Catholic Church
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When Adam’s sinned, we all
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OK, to a lesser extent, that’s
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Christendorphian body.
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when Adam’s sin and human nature
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therefore.
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Men, just because they’re Adam’s
fallen nature, are alienated

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from God just because they’ve
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And they say that’s why babies
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Babies die because even though
they haven’t had a chance to

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transgress, all right, they’ve
inherited Adam.

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‘S guilt, OK, and that’s why the
Catholic Church baptized little

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babies as soon as possible
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baby.
They get rid of this inherited

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guilt.
And this is the verse they’re

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using, OK They get rid of the
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You can you follow that?
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And and that’s why you got to
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and everything and stops them,
actually stops them actually

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going to purgatory.
If you can get them sprinkled

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early enough.
When they drop dead on you, they

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go straight to heaven like a
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They got wings and everything,
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And and that’s, that’s what it’s
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And by, you know, that’s their
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That’s to get rid of your
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some forms.
We’ve had that problem with JJ

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Andrewism, who talked about a
legal condemnation which he

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And until that legal
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from Adam was removed by
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from the dead once you died.
So he didn’t.

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He believed.
Baptism was essential for

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resurrection, whether you’re
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OK.
But here that theory is built

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upon the idea of inheriting
something that we didn’t inherit

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from Adam.
This is where your nephew.

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Was down the front writing down.
Now what was that again?

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What didn’t we inherit from
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We and I said we didn’t inherit
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The guilt.
He said he’d write this down in

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big pencil.
You didn’t inherit the guilt.

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Now what did we inherit?
We inherited sin, proudness and

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more time.
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You know, this one I thought,
didn’t have a clue what he’s

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talking about.
He looks nothing like.

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You but he’s he’s mother.
Mother’s a Greek, isn’t he?

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I’d never met his mother.
I met you.

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Met his dad.
Has she got Greek blood in her?

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I say he’s got this Roman facet.
He’s really definite features

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dark black hair, and he’s
sitting down and acting like an

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idiot.
And he’s a school teacher, you

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know?
How old is he?

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21.
I thought he was about 17.

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He had me fool.
But what he was doing was.

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He was thinking of the 15 year
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He was deliberately asking these
questions so that they get the

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message repeated about 6 times.
You see, he’s a school teacher

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and he knew I was just passing
over it too quickly and he

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wasn’t going to let me get by.
He was right on this subject

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right at this time, right on
that verse, OK.

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And boy, he.
He looks nothing like you or me.

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You and I got Irish round faces,
he’s got this Roman profile and

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he’s a beautiful reader that
really had me rattled.

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You could get and read this
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OK, so then.
Brother Carter points out that’s

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a it’s an incomplete statement.
It’s 12, he said.

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To get the complete statement,
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dealing with two fathers or
federal heads, 2 Adams 2

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begetters for the race.
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And from one father we inherit
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inherit that.
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So he says from Adam we’ve
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inherited sin proneness.
Consequently, we all sin at some

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stage or other, more or less in
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And he says, but then you should
be able to run a line straight

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up to the second-half of verse
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You know, I don’t think you can
see from there, but I’ve got in

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blue verse 12 marked and then I
got a line running up to the

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bottom half of verse 18.
So that I know that’s the basic

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complete statement of this
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So the place basic complete
statement is from Adam we

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inherit sin, proneness and death
and consequently we all

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transgressed sooner or later.
However, verse 18 it’s repeated.

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Therefore, as by the offence of
1 judgement came on all men to

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condemnation, Even so by the
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Adam.
Right.

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The free gift is come upon all
men unto justification or

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righteousness of life, unto
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So the contrast you get sin and
death through one atom, you get

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righteousness and life through
another atom.

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That’s the basic contrast.
Can you follow that?

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OK.
Now that’s repeated over and

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over again in all those verses
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Sure there’s variations, but it
just over and over and for the

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more advanced student, we just
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You notice verse 30 into the end
of verse seventeens all.

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In hyphenated, it’s in it’s,
it’s in brackets.

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OK, which tells you you should
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Anyway, so in this hyphenated
thing, we get all these comments

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and we could spend all night on
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However, some may have a trouble
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We just would give an opinion on
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It says for and it’s going to
prove that death, sin and death,

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the law of sin and death.
But here it’s just simply called

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death.
But we know in Romans 8 it’s

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called a law of sin and death.
That is the law of sin.

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Proudness and death is 1
physiological law.

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For unto the he says, for unto
the law that is the law of

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Moses.
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but transgression is not imputed
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Nevertheless, death reigned from
Adam to Moses, even over them

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that had not sinned.
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transgression, there’s a figure
of him that was to come.

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He’s a figure of the second
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Why was he a figure?
Because Adam did certain things

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and his children suffered the
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Christ did certain things, and
his children got the benefit of

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the consequences of His
righteous conduct.

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OK, however.
What’s it mean then that under

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the law, sin wasn’t in the world
because sin transgression wasn’t

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in the world.
And we know it was punished.

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We know there are laws.
We know that Noah’s died,

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everyone was destroyed because
they had corrupted God’s way on

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the earth.
We know Sodom and Gomorrah and

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so on.
This is all in Brother Kyle’s

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book.
OK?

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We know that they were punished,
but what wasn’t in existence was

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a law that carried the death
sentence, a law which had to be

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kept.
Perfectly or you would be put to

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death.
And that was the case in the law

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in Eden.
There was no three guys and then

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you’re out.
OK, as soon as they sinned once

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death.
The Law of Moses was the same,

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not for every sin, but for a lot
of sins, OK, for the major

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besetting sins like adultery and
so on and so on.

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There was no second God.
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OK, you’re out.
And the big thing about the Law

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of Moses is cursed is everyone
that continued.

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Not in all things that are
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To do that, you know how now
Paul picks that up in Galatians

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and says you idiots fancy trying
to get salvation by law?

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You have to keep the whole law
perfectly all your life.

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You can’t miss once, but you’re
out now.

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That was exactly the same in the
case of Adam and Eve’s law, even

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though it was just a single law.
Now, there were laws in between

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those two periods, OK, but they
are laws which didn’t require

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you, didn’t have attached to
them mistakes and things.

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That you couldn’t be forgiven
for you they could be forgiven

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for.
Abraham made plenty mistake.

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Jacob made a whole.
Heap of them right But they were

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righteous men.
Their general direction of life

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was righteous.
They weren’t they weren’t

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suffering the consequences of
Adamic law or Mosaic law.

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OK.
And they were receiving the

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benefit of a the union of
severity against sin.

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And.
And the goodness of God towards

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sin and forgiveness, They were
getting the mix the same as you

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and I get the mix in Christ, OK?
And that was more or less the

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same between Eden and the law of
Moses.

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So we suggest you that’s what’s
meant.

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And that’s what also is meant by
even those who had not sinned

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after similitude of Adam’s
transgression.

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OK.
That could have two meanings.

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That rather, Carter suggested,
means that, well, they couldn’t

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seem like Adam because they
weren’t in the Garden of Eden

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and they didn’t have his law.
They’re out of the garden.

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It was a completely different
situation.

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So they couldn’t seem exactly
like he did in an ideal sense,

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lightly disbelieving God.
OK was a completely different

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situation.
So they wouldn’t sin in exactly

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the same way, nor had they
reached the law of Moses time

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where they only.
Had to sin once and they the

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whole curse of the law came on
it.

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They weren’t in that situation,
but it’s also you got to

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remember that there are a lot of
very righteous.

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Men in that period, all right.
Every one of them was sinners by

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some degree, but there was Noah,
he walk with God.

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There was Enoch, he walk with
God.

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And it says in Hebrews, God was
well pleased with them.

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Well pleased.
OK, now they definitely and and,

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and Abel was a righteous man.
He’s commanded in Hebrews 11.

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If you want to get all these
people who hadn’t sinned after

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submitted to Adam’s
transgression, have a look at

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Hebrews 11.
OK, that’ll give you a good

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example.
They hadn’t sinned like Adam and

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sinned OK.
Nevertheless, they died there,

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and that’s his point.
Therefore, death, sin and death

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is an inheritance.
From Adam and Eve got the

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message.
And he just goes on and keeps

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repeating all that just very
quickly.

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This is all just for Alan’s
sake, so he won’t get tied up

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when he gets to chapter 5.
OK, so it says verse 15.

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If I, if you don’t follow this,
I’m doing very quickly, all for

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Alan’s sake.
Don’t let it worry.

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Verse 15 says not as the
offence, Adam’s offence.

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So is the free gift.
We get a free gift.

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00:28:45,760 –> 00:28:50,280
From Christ we get that, we get
the benefit of a free gift from

437
00:28:50,280 –> 00:28:53,520
Christ’s work.
Now we get the disability from

438
00:28:53,520 –> 00:28:57,720
Adam’s offence.
For if through the offence of

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00:28:57,720 –> 00:29:03,520
one one man Adam many be dead,
much more the grace of God and

440
00:29:03,520 –> 00:29:09,200
the gift of grace by grace she
is by one man Jesus Christ hath

441
00:29:09,200 –> 00:29:16,840
abounded many so and so he’s
just repeating the same.

442
00:29:16,840 –> 00:29:23,160
He says he’s basically saying by
Adam’s offence, OK, he’s saying

443
00:29:23,160 –> 00:29:25,560
he says look at the offence and
its consequences.

444
00:29:25,560 –> 00:29:30,440
This versus saying look at the
consequences, but then look at

445
00:29:31,000 –> 00:29:35,480
Christ’s great righteous work
that led to life.

446
00:29:35,800 –> 00:29:38,960
Look at the benefits of that.
He said you can’t compare them.

447
00:29:39,680 –> 00:29:44,520
The disabilities you get from
Adam and not to be compared with

448
00:29:44,520 –> 00:29:46,320
the benefits you get from
Christ.

449
00:29:46,600 –> 00:29:50,320
So don’t start whinging about
what Adam did, OK?

450
00:29:51,040 –> 00:29:56,240
Start whinging about that.
Because though we innocently

451
00:29:56,520 –> 00:30:02,640
inherit the disabilities from
Adam, we undeservedly inherit

452
00:30:02,840 –> 00:30:07,320
tremendous benefits.
That write out why all that from

453
00:30:07,360 –> 00:30:09,840
Christ?
That’s his argument.

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00:30:10,040 –> 00:30:13,200
OK, that’s the basic argument.
He repeats it again.

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00:30:14,920 –> 00:30:19,920
He says in verse 16, that’s a
matter of quantity.

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00:30:21,080 –> 00:30:24,840
Adam made one sin, we got a
disability.

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00:30:25,680 –> 00:30:30,400
But when Christ has talked about
this gift that’s talked about

458
00:30:30,400 –> 00:30:32,960
the benefits of Christ’s
righteous life.

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00:30:33,640 –> 00:30:36,440
All right, that’s talking about
that as a gift to us.

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00:30:36,720 –> 00:30:39,640
Christ is a gift.
The second Adam’s a gift and the

461
00:30:39,640 –> 00:30:41,720
benefits that flow for him is a
gift.

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00:30:42,120 –> 00:30:45,600
Not as it were verse 16, not as
it was by one that sins.

463
00:30:45,600 –> 00:30:52,240
So is the gift for judgement was
by one sin, one sin only.

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00:30:52,240 –> 00:30:56,920
Then we got judgement to
condemnation, but the free gift

465
00:30:56,920 –> 00:31:01,480
that is Christ, the gift of
giving us Christ and making him

466
00:31:01,480 –> 00:31:06,200
a great sacrifice and us getting
all these benefits of being made

467
00:31:06,200 –> 00:31:09,200
righteous and given the
opportunity of eternal life.

468
00:31:09,560 –> 00:31:13,880
What are they do?
Well, it’s of many offences unto

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00:31:14,000 –> 00:31:18,800
justification and sin.
Once you’ve got certain

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00:31:18,800 –> 00:31:22,560
disabilities, but what did you
do and go and do or for?

471
00:31:22,560 –> 00:31:25,720
For that all of sin.
You’ve got thousands of sins,

472
00:31:26,480 –> 00:31:28,120
and what’s the benefit?
In Christ?

473
00:31:29,840 –> 00:31:33,280
They can all be forgiven.
Not one sin.

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00:31:33,800 –> 00:31:38,000
OK, so we got a disability
through Adam’s one sin.

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00:31:38,760 –> 00:31:43,720
OK, But in Christ the gifts that
flow from his righteous work is

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00:31:43,720 –> 00:31:46,480
the covering of the great.
Multitude of sins.

477
00:31:46,840 –> 00:31:50,080
So don’t ever winch, OK, We’re
doing all right.

478
00:31:50,280 –> 00:31:53,160
Don’t ever win.
God’s not unjust, OK?

479
00:31:53,320 –> 00:31:57,160
He’s more than more than just,
OK, more than just.

480
00:31:57,600 –> 00:32:04,720
He doesn’t punish us according
to our sins, so he presses total

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00:32:04,720 –> 00:32:08,800
buttons, verse 17 for it.
By one man’s offence, death

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00:32:08,800 –> 00:32:15,720
reigned by that one much more.
They which receive abundance of

483
00:32:15,720 –> 00:32:20,960
grace and of the gift of
righteousness, and they’ll reign

484
00:32:20,960 –> 00:32:25,840
in life.
By one one another Adam, Jesus

485
00:32:25,840 –> 00:32:30,120
Christ.
Therefore, as by the offence of

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00:32:30,120 –> 00:32:35,840
1 judgement, 1 judgement came on
all men under condemnation, Even

487
00:32:35,840 –> 00:32:41,400
so by the righteousness of one
which he had, Adam made one sin.

488
00:32:41,400 –> 00:32:45,200
We got into trouble.
Christ’s righteousness, this one

489
00:32:45,200 –> 00:32:51,000
righteousness was something they
had to sustain for 33 1/2 years.

490
00:32:51,480 –> 00:32:56,800
He had to be perfectly righteous
for 33 1/2 years and then be

491
00:32:56,800 –> 00:33:00,600
obedient unto death.
And we get a tremendous benefit

492
00:33:00,600 –> 00:33:04,400
from that.
He was righteous and he got the

493
00:33:04,800 –> 00:33:08,440
he got the gift of life, but he
was given it in a way that he

494
00:33:08,440 –> 00:33:12,600
could share it with lesser men
and women and they share his

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00:33:12,600 –> 00:33:16,240
righteousness and they’re going
to share his eternal life.

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00:33:21,440 –> 00:33:25,200
Is the idea of that verse and
verse 19 is very important for

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00:33:25,200 –> 00:33:30,760
the young people, whereas by one
man’s distance many were made

498
00:33:30,760 –> 00:33:33,160
sinners, the.
Word.

499
00:33:33,160 –> 00:33:38,320
Made is katha steamy and it
means by constitution you’re a

500
00:33:38,320 –> 00:33:42,480
Sinner.
You may never have sinned, but

501
00:33:42,480 –> 00:33:47,120
by makeup you are a Sinner.
Given the opportunity and

502
00:33:47,120 –> 00:33:50,880
certain circumstances, your
tendency is to sin.

503
00:33:51,920 –> 00:33:56,280
By one man’s disobedience, we
have a proclivity to sin.

504
00:33:57,600 –> 00:34:06,480
OK, But by one man’s obedience,
it’s so by the obedience of 133

505
00:34:06,480 –> 00:34:10,440
1/2 years of it climaxing his
death, shall many be

506
00:34:10,800 –> 00:34:15,440
constituted, physically
constituted righteous.

507
00:34:16,320 –> 00:34:19,239
So he says, yeah, we’re putting
up with a problem for Madam.

508
00:34:21,520 –> 00:34:24,880
You know, we’re we’re sinners
from birth that is potentially

509
00:34:25,320 –> 00:34:28,520
and given the opportunity, we’ll
we’ll more or less sin.

510
00:34:29,520 –> 00:34:35,600
But the blessing from Christ is
constitutional righteousness.

511
00:34:35,600 –> 00:34:38,360
And what’s that mean?
But when you change through

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00:34:38,360 –> 00:34:40,960
mortality, just won’t be an
immortal body.

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00:34:41,520 –> 00:34:47,040
It’ll be a body that’s naturally
righteous, whereas now we have a

514
00:34:47,040 –> 00:34:49,880
body that is naturally
unrighteous.

515
00:34:52,280 –> 00:34:54,320
Now you just can’t compare the
two.

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00:34:55,440 –> 00:34:58,640
I mean, sure, we inherit this
disability from Adam, but it can

517
00:34:58,640 –> 00:35:01,480
be overcome by the grace of God
and look.

518
00:35:01,480 –> 00:35:03,520
At the Great.
Benefit of the arise that comes

519
00:35:03,520 –> 00:35:07,200
out of it and anyway God it
couldn’t be.

520
00:35:07,280 –> 00:35:13,160
Otherwise, how can God develop
characteristics like loyalty and

521
00:35:13,160 –> 00:35:16,520
duty?
And patience and forgiveness,

522
00:35:17,240 –> 00:35:23,800
unless we went through the sin
constitution of things first,

523
00:35:24,320 –> 00:35:28,800
this going through this
experience is the way God is

524
00:35:28,800 –> 00:35:34,560
developing divine attitudes and
divine qualities, OK?

525
00:35:34,720 –> 00:35:36,240
It just can’t be done without
it.

526
00:35:36,240 –> 00:35:40,280
Yeah.
I mean, how can you learn to be

527
00:35:40,280 –> 00:35:43,480
forgiving like God if there’s no
one to forgive, If no one does

528
00:35:43,480 –> 00:35:45,360
anything wrong, If everyone’s
that goody, goody.

529
00:35:45,600 –> 00:35:51,280
Yeah, I mean, it just can’t
work, OK, just can’t work and

530
00:35:51,280 –> 00:35:55,000
therefore don’t have a big winds
that God’s unrighteous because

531
00:35:55,240 –> 00:35:58,720
we inherit this sin
susceptibility from Adam.

532
00:35:59,240 –> 00:36:02,960
Sure, there might have been a
problem if God hadn’t provided.

533
00:36:03,560 –> 00:36:06,120
This other, but he has provided
this other.

534
00:36:06,680 –> 00:36:09,400
So what we have, we inherited
from Adam.

535
00:36:09,400 –> 00:36:12,680
We’ve inherited mortality and
sin proneness.

536
00:36:12,680 –> 00:36:17,480
These lusts are strong.
OK, as per Romans 5.

537
00:36:17,760 –> 00:36:22,320
Don’t forget Brother Carter,
those verses in Romans are some

538
00:36:23,600 –> 00:36:29,320
next to Romans 3 to write us one
of the most important.

539
00:36:29,440 –> 00:36:35,760
Verses in the whole Bible on the
subject of the eternal OK.

540
00:36:35,760 –> 00:36:38,640
And you’ve got to get a good
grip of them at your own pace,

541
00:36:38,760 –> 00:36:42,440
your own time.
And I suggest at least with the

542
00:36:42,440 –> 00:36:46,120
help of Brother Carter and so
you can grind in what’s being

543
00:36:46,120 –> 00:36:47,800
said.
All right, don’t.

544
00:36:47,800 –> 00:36:53,520
Study verses, study the flow of
thought because that’s where the

545
00:36:53,520 –> 00:37:00,000
power lies.
OK OK so this is just other

546
00:37:00,000 –> 00:37:01,840
passage which say the same
thing.

547
00:37:02,480 –> 00:37:06,120
First Corinthians 15 is all
about as a no Adam all die.

548
00:37:06,120 –> 00:37:08,400
Even so in Christ shall all be
made alive.

549
00:37:08,760 –> 00:37:15,960
OK by by man came death.
It says in the same by man came

550
00:37:15,960 –> 00:37:18,760
death.
By man came also the

551
00:37:18,760 –> 00:37:21,720
resurrection of the dead.
I used to think, why does it

552
00:37:21,720 –> 00:37:25,480
make that emphasis of man
Brother Carter’s explanation is

553
00:37:26,000 –> 00:37:32,160
well by man came death, right?
To get resurrection, you had to

554
00:37:32,160 –> 00:37:38,440
get a man that was associated
with the fall of men and lead

555
00:37:38,440 –> 00:37:40,800
them out of.
That state to the resurrection

556
00:37:40,800 –> 00:37:43,640
state.
Because man had got himself into

557
00:37:43,640 –> 00:37:46,920
this mess.
A man had a parachute down in

558
00:37:46,920 –> 00:37:52,800
their first parachute down.
OK, get in mixed up with all the

559
00:37:52,800 –> 00:37:55,800
muck.
And lead them out of that unto

560
00:37:55,800 –> 00:37:58,160
resurrection and eternal life.
OK.

561
00:38:00,240 –> 00:38:03,280
And of course, James says, you
know, he says, who?

562
00:38:03,280 –> 00:38:06,040
The real devil.
Is there’s all sorts of concepts

563
00:38:06,040 –> 00:38:07,880
and the apostles know who the
devil was.

564
00:38:07,880 –> 00:38:12,040
The Jews thought OK, the
Persians thought it was some

565
00:38:12,040 –> 00:38:15,440
emanation down from God who
created all mature and

566
00:38:15,440 –> 00:38:18,760
everything mature was evil and
that was their concept.

567
00:38:18,760 –> 00:38:20,680
The Devil Egyptians had another
concept.

568
00:38:20,880 –> 00:38:22,720
There’s that many concepts of
the devil.

569
00:38:23,200 –> 00:38:25,720
But.
Christians said Nah yourself.

570
00:38:26,720 –> 00:38:29,840
Every man’s tempted when he’s
drawn away of his own lust and

571
00:38:29,840 –> 00:38:32,440
entice and you know that.
OK.

572
00:38:38,100 –> 00:38:42,420
We’ve we introduced you to that
early.

573
00:38:43,400 –> 00:38:47,720
We’ll come back to it That’s I’m
sorry I turned 2 over.

574
00:38:47,720 –> 00:38:52,360
I knew I’d had a hiccup.
So here we are dealing with the

575
00:38:52,360 –> 00:38:55,200
fall of Adam.
So we’re still we’d really only

576
00:38:55,200 –> 00:38:57,400
got up the point where they knew
they were naked.

577
00:38:57,480 –> 00:39:01,800
OK and that they didn’t believe
God and dishonoured God.

578
00:39:02,560 –> 00:39:04,640
Now when the atonement.
This is a key.

579
00:39:05,480 –> 00:39:10,720
The key is not your position so
much the key of understanding

580
00:39:10,720 –> 00:39:15,400
why God’s got this set methods
of of reconciliation called

581
00:39:15,600 –> 00:39:21,720
atonement methods.
OK, the key feature of it is

582
00:39:22,160 –> 00:39:25,800
God’s position.
In the whole matter, not our

583
00:39:25,800 –> 00:39:32,720
position so much God’s position.
He’s the creator.

584
00:39:33,320 –> 00:39:37,640
Create the universe, OK.
The science show, always the

585
00:39:37,640 –> 00:39:42,480
science things on the walls.
The Hubble telescope is focused

586
00:39:42,480 –> 00:39:47,800
in at the moment on this Galaxy
billions of light years away.

587
00:39:47,800 –> 00:39:53,080
So they’re looking at this
Galaxy, not a Galaxy, an area of

588
00:39:54,280 –> 00:39:58,400
yeah, Galaxy.
Sorry, No, no, an area of the

589
00:39:58,400 –> 00:40:01,680
sky billions of years away.
OK.

590
00:40:02,120 –> 00:40:04,400
And.
And, and, and you’re actually

591
00:40:04,400 –> 00:40:08,480
seeing as it was billions of
years ago, OK, that takes that

592
00:40:08,480 –> 00:40:11,400
long for the light to travel
from there to the Hubble

593
00:40:11,400 –> 00:40:13,320
telescope.
You know, that’s, that’s out of

594
00:40:13,320 –> 00:40:15,480
the atmosphere.
It’s in space.

595
00:40:15,480 –> 00:40:24,440
You can see quite clearly, OK.
And, and I mean, when you deal

596
00:40:24,440 –> 00:40:28,760
with God, you deal with
finiteness, no matter what you

597
00:40:28,760 –> 00:40:33,280
look at, you know, there, there
may be limits to the universe,

598
00:40:33,280 –> 00:40:35,400
but relative to you and I,
there’s no limits.

599
00:40:35,680 –> 00:40:38,000
I mean, we start talking about
billions of ideas.

600
00:40:38,600 –> 00:40:40,960
I mean, it’s, it’s relative
eternity.

601
00:40:40,960 –> 00:40:43,560
It just doesn’t matter whether
there’s no end to it or not.

602
00:40:43,760 –> 00:40:45,240
Who knows whether there’s any
end to it.

603
00:40:45,840 –> 00:40:48,560
We’re going to start getting
used to the idea of Infinity.

604
00:40:49,280 –> 00:40:51,920
You know, I was trying from
early childhood to get used to

605
00:40:51,920 –> 00:40:55,000
the idea of Infinity.
You know, kids, Sunday school

606
00:40:55,000 –> 00:40:57,640
kids were always coming up and
asked this question, where did

607
00:40:57,640 –> 00:41:01,120
God come from?
You know, kids tend to think

608
00:41:01,120 –> 00:41:03,920
that used to things happen in
the beginning and where did that

609
00:41:03,920 –> 00:41:05,920
come from?
Where did that come from now?

610
00:41:05,920 –> 00:41:10,920
Where did God come from then?
And I think it was Katie, Katie

611
00:41:10,920 –> 00:41:14,280
Popovsky, when she’s this high,
she wanted to know where God

612
00:41:14,280 –> 00:41:17,160
come from.
Her parents couldn’t satisfy.

613
00:41:17,160 –> 00:41:21,000
And they said, go and say,
grandpa, you know, he’s grand

614
00:41:21,000 –> 00:41:24,720
authority.
I don’t think she even followed

615
00:41:24,720 –> 00:41:26,040
what I said.
That didn’t matter.

616
00:41:26,640 –> 00:41:29,880
And I said, listen, something
can’t come from nothing, can it?

617
00:41:30,000 –> 00:41:32,560
No.
Therefore something must always

618
00:41:32,560 –> 00:41:36,520
exist.
As she grappled with that and

619
00:41:36,560 –> 00:41:38,200
walked away, she’d got the
answer.

620
00:41:38,200 –> 00:41:40,680
I don’t think she really
understood it, but, you know,

621
00:41:40,680 –> 00:41:46,120
it’s just human habit.
But logically, something has

622
00:41:46,120 –> 00:41:52,400
always got to have existed
infinitely that way, Infinitely

623
00:41:52,400 –> 00:41:54,920
that way.
It’s infinite.

624
00:41:54,920 –> 00:41:56,120
You’re dealing.
With an infinite.

625
00:41:56,120 –> 00:42:01,960
Being now he everything, they
reckon they could get the whole

626
00:42:01,960 –> 00:42:04,640
universe and it could contract
down to the side of the head of

627
00:42:04,640 –> 00:42:09,440
a pin or something, you know.
That’s whether they know I

628
00:42:09,440 –> 00:42:11,880
wouldn’t know whether they know
I might be wrong, I might be

629
00:42:11,880 –> 00:42:13,600
wrong and I really care very
much.

630
00:42:13,960 –> 00:42:18,680
All I know is that Psalm 22 and
Izi 50, it was written 1000

631
00:42:18,680 –> 00:42:22,520
years before it happened.
Izi 53 it was written 750 years

632
00:42:22,520 –> 00:42:25,440
before it happened, and that’s
good enough evidence to me that

633
00:42:25,440 –> 00:42:28,480
the Bible’s the word of God.
I just don’t worry too much

634
00:42:28,480 –> 00:42:32,200
about all those details, OK?
And you’d spend your whole life

635
00:42:32,200 –> 00:42:34,360
trying to keep up with their
discoveries, which.

636
00:42:40,220 –> 00:42:42,100
Prove to me that’s the word of
God.

637
00:42:42,340 –> 00:42:44,740
You got that, Davey?
That’s the word of God.

638
00:42:45,140 –> 00:42:47,540
All these people that come to
me, they brought up

639
00:42:47,540 –> 00:42:50,400
Christadelphins.
I say, how do you know the

640
00:42:50,400 –> 00:42:52,680
Bible’s the word of God?
And they will quote Second

641
00:42:52,680 –> 00:42:55,040
Timothy 3 and 16.
All scriptures are given by

642
00:42:55,040 –> 00:42:57,720
inspiration of God.
I said, yeah, if clients

643
00:42:57,760 –> 00:42:59,760
inspired, but how do you know
it’s inspired?

644
00:43:00,120 –> 00:43:03,280
They haven’t got a clue.
They’ve never thought it through

645
00:43:03,280 –> 00:43:05,720
that just being grown up to
accept this, the word of God.

646
00:43:06,040 –> 00:43:08,840
But they’ve never personally
objectively looked at it and

647
00:43:08,840 –> 00:43:13,880
found solid evidence, solid
evidence that this is the word

648
00:43:13,880 –> 00:43:15,400
of God.
I said, look, you’re going to go

649
00:43:15,480 –> 00:43:18,560
through life and go through.
All sorts of problems which is

650
00:43:18,560 –> 00:43:22,400
going to make you moments really
doubt where there is a God and

651
00:43:22,400 –> 00:43:25,560
whether this Bible’s right.
I said you get it right now.

652
00:43:25,600 –> 00:43:28,440
You get the get it that in your
head, you know.

653
00:43:28,440 –> 00:43:32,440
It’s got to be right.
No matter how you feel, you know

654
00:43:33,040 –> 00:43:34,960
you’re going to sit down and
consider it.

655
00:43:35,360 –> 00:43:39,920
You’ll know that’s the word of
God, OK, how important that is.

656
00:43:40,960 –> 00:43:47,920
So here’s this great being.
OK, who’s created everything?

657
00:43:49,040 –> 00:43:52,320
This world with millions of
different species on this world.

658
00:43:52,320 –> 00:43:54,920
Millions of them.
Some of them have never seen

659
00:43:54,920 –> 00:43:59,480
their way down under the sea.
He’s created all that OK, and

660
00:43:59,480 –> 00:44:03,080
he’s created man in his own
image and likeness, that is with

661
00:44:04,600 –> 00:44:08,800
capacity to appreciate divine
morality.

662
00:44:09,600 –> 00:44:12,200
I don’t think we can understand
his engineering or anything like

663
00:44:12,200 –> 00:44:15,120
that, OK, but we can’t
understand his morality.

664
00:44:15,120 –> 00:44:18,200
He’s given us that ability,
moral faculties, OK.

665
00:44:20,560 –> 00:44:23,240
And he’s created them.
He’s created the world.

666
00:44:23,400 –> 00:44:27,800
Gone to a lot of trouble with
all these angels and and Adam

667
00:44:27,800 –> 00:44:30,520
and Eve and you.
And I depended on him for every

668
00:44:30,520 –> 00:44:33,560
moment of existence.
He would draw his spirit in his

669
00:44:33,560 –> 00:44:34,920
breath.
You’re gone.

670
00:44:35,600 –> 00:44:40,280
We are a merry thing.
He’s a great key.

671
00:44:41,880 –> 00:44:45,600
He’s not there for our
convenience like some of our

672
00:44:45,600 –> 00:44:49,720
kids seem to think parents are.
Are there for your convenience.

673
00:44:50,280 –> 00:44:53,440
OK, They’ve got to get to work
for a year or so.

674
00:44:53,720 –> 00:44:57,240
Before they find out, they’ve
got to start earning a profit

675
00:44:57,240 –> 00:44:59,960
for the boss and the world
doesn’t evolve for them.

676
00:44:59,960 –> 00:45:04,520
OK, but but that’s the thing,
the world’s here.

677
00:45:04,520 –> 00:45:07,720
For God, we’re here.
For God, you know, we’re crazy.

678
00:45:07,960 –> 00:45:11,320
For there’s one God the Father,
out of whom there’s everything,

679
00:45:11,880 –> 00:45:16,080
and we for him, him not for us,
we for him.

680
00:45:17,080 –> 00:45:22,640
OK, now what’s happened?
Adam and Eve have been put to

681
00:45:22,640 –> 00:45:26,200
the test.
They were educated by God,

682
00:45:26,720 –> 00:45:32,000
created by God-given the
environment by God, educated by

683
00:45:32,000 –> 00:45:35,240
God.
But they were given free will

684
00:45:36,320 –> 00:45:48,280
and they were put to the test.
And they’re absolutely terrible

685
00:45:48,520 –> 00:45:53,640
in their behaviour.
Look, they would appreciate it,

686
00:45:53,640 –> 00:45:58,840
but what were they doing to God?
They disbelieve in him.

687
00:46:00,280 –> 00:46:04,160
He created them, told them what
was right, and because someone

688
00:46:04,160 –> 00:46:06,640
puts a proposition to him, they
don’t know the answer.

689
00:46:07,080 –> 00:46:12,840
They write God off.
They betrayed him, Righto.

690
00:46:13,200 –> 00:46:17,760
They’ve approached him.
They crucified his honour.

691
00:46:17,760 –> 00:46:20,400
I’m using the land Ridge of
Psalm 69.

692
00:46:22,760 –> 00:46:26,600
They set aside His glory method.
He had a method to bring them to

693
00:46:26,600 –> 00:46:30,240
glory.
They grasped their own method to

694
00:46:30,240 –> 00:46:34,600
get the glory.
I mean, how insulting can you

695
00:46:34,600 –> 00:46:39,800
get?
OK, He should be upset, all

696
00:46:39,800 –> 00:46:46,560
right?
They’ve create Mardy’s creation.

697
00:46:46,920 –> 00:46:50,920
There they were and very good in
crime and condition, and they’ve

698
00:46:51,040 –> 00:46:53,600
ventilated themselves mentally
and physically.

699
00:46:53,600 –> 00:46:56,640
They’ve mutilated themselves.
They might as well have jumped

700
00:46:56,640 –> 00:47:03,760
off a.
Cliff OK, so they his son and

701
00:47:03,760 –> 00:47:08,200
daughter of have have soft to
form themselves and made

702
00:47:08,200 –> 00:47:11,880
themselves blind and they’ve
taken this right step backwards

703
00:47:11,880 –> 00:47:17,120
and and and and what’s it done
for God historically?

704
00:47:17,920 –> 00:47:20,840
He’s going to he knows he’s he’s
going to fill the earth with men

705
00:47:20,840 –> 00:47:22,640
and women.
He knows he’s not going to fall.

706
00:47:22,960 –> 00:47:25,600
He knows he’s going to have to
deal with thousands of creatures

707
00:47:25,600 –> 00:47:29,520
which he’s given free will to.
And here we have this historic

708
00:47:29,760 –> 00:47:35,320
event where He had created
right, it educated them and

709
00:47:36,920 –> 00:47:41,440
there was failure.
Now that left a big question

710
00:47:41,440 –> 00:47:46,400
mark on God’s position.
Not only all this honour and

711
00:47:46,400 –> 00:47:52,240
flouting of His kingship and all
that, OK, disregarding His

712
00:47:52,240 –> 00:47:59,200
honour, OK, not only left but
left a big question mark on the

713
00:47:59,200 –> 00:48:08,280
power of divine education.
Left a question.

714
00:48:08,280 –> 00:48:11,680
Mark on the power of divine
education.

715
00:48:13,160 –> 00:48:14,920
Can you see that this is
absolutely.

716
00:48:14,920 –> 00:48:20,760
Crucial.
It’s like it’s a bit like Moses

717
00:48:20,760 –> 00:48:26,080
when he was when he was talking
to pleading for Israel now to

718
00:48:26,080 –> 00:48:30,440
God and he said, look, the
nations will say he saved them

719
00:48:30,440 –> 00:48:32,600
out of Egypt, He brought them
into the desert.

720
00:48:33,800 –> 00:48:35,800
But there they perish.
He couldn’t take them any

721
00:48:35,800 –> 00:48:37,360
further.
He just lacked the power to

722
00:48:37,360 –> 00:48:40,720
finish the job.
That’s what history will say.

723
00:48:41,320 –> 00:48:43,360
And he’s played in this point.
He knows.

724
00:48:43,640 –> 00:48:44,160
Yeah.
And.

725
00:48:44,440 –> 00:48:46,960
And forever, men have been
questioning God.

726
00:48:47,320 –> 00:48:50,440
Where was God when these little
kids got machine gunned down in

727
00:48:50,440 –> 00:48:52,520
Vietnam?
And where, you know, where’s

728
00:48:52,520 –> 00:48:55,240
God?
God’s righteousness is always

729
00:48:55,240 –> 00:48:57,760
challenged by men.
OK.

730
00:48:58,280 –> 00:49:06,880
We’re not in the habit of the
doing, of course, so God is

731
00:49:06,880 –> 00:49:09,280
presents himself for the
problem.

732
00:49:10,200 –> 00:49:14,120
He’ll only do what’s right.
He said the day that they were

733
00:49:14,120 –> 00:49:16,640
to serve, Thou shall die.
And that had to happen.

734
00:49:16,640 –> 00:49:20,480
He had to be true to his word.
There’s nothing worse than

735
00:49:20,480 –> 00:49:23,600
parents threatening kids.
And when they do it, you don’t

736
00:49:23,600 –> 00:49:26,680
bother to implement it.
They soon learn that.

737
00:49:27,280 –> 00:49:30,120
And I know it’s about 6 times
down the line before you’re

738
00:49:30,120 –> 00:49:32,960
actually welcome.
Like I say, I mean, you’ve got

739
00:49:32,960 –> 00:49:35,600
to be true to your word.
A good, good parent is true to

740
00:49:35,600 –> 00:49:39,200
your word, OK?
Otherwise, don’t say it.

741
00:49:39,880 –> 00:49:42,560
OK, but he had to be true to his
word.

742
00:49:42,760 –> 00:49:45,920
Shall not the judge of all the
earth do right now?

743
00:49:45,920 –> 00:49:50,440
That’s words for when the angels
came spoke to Abraham about

744
00:49:50,440 –> 00:49:54,360
going down to Sodom.
OK, will you destroy the just of

745
00:49:54,360 –> 00:49:58,640
the with the wicked?
Yeah, of all the earth do right,

746
00:49:58,640 –> 00:50:02,960
’cause he will.
It says in Isaiah 45, and this

747
00:50:02,960 –> 00:50:10,000
is dealt with in the indie book,
that God is a just God, yet a

748
00:50:10,000 –> 00:50:13,680
saviour doesn’t say yet it says
and a saviour I’ll just put yet

749
00:50:13,680 –> 00:50:15,880
in there to get the flow of
idea.

750
00:50:16,880 –> 00:50:21,240
God is just.
It’ll be true to his judgments

751
00:50:22,560 –> 00:50:23,880
all right.
He’s severe.

752
00:50:23,880 –> 00:50:30,280
He will uphold his severity, but
he will also exercise his mercy

753
00:50:30,280 –> 00:50:33,960
and kindness.
But he’ll do it right.

754
00:50:35,640 –> 00:50:39,000
It has to be right.
Sometimes we forgive our

755
00:50:39,000 –> 00:50:44,240
children wrongly.
Sometimes it’s a serious matter

756
00:50:44,240 –> 00:50:47,240
and we choose because we have
circumstances or mood or

757
00:50:47,240 –> 00:50:49,480
whatever to let him get away
with it.

758
00:50:50,600 –> 00:50:52,600
And it’s very destructive for
them.

759
00:50:53,600 –> 00:50:57,680
All right, we should handle the
position, OK, We should handle

760
00:50:57,680 –> 00:51:01,480
it right?
We’re the temperance of mercy

761
00:51:01,480 –> 00:51:04,320
and severity must be handled,
right?

762
00:51:05,960 –> 00:51:07,800
Takes a lot to learn how to do
that.

763
00:51:08,200 –> 00:51:10,440
When you’ve learned to become a
good parent, you’re that old,

764
00:51:10,440 –> 00:51:14,080
you can’t even start again.
So that’s the way it casts.

765
00:51:15,240 –> 00:51:21,760
All right, So the big question
is in the atonement is how can

766
00:51:21,760 –> 00:51:27,560
be God be just that, is condemn
man to death and still save him?

767
00:51:28,720 –> 00:51:32,560
Brother Carter regards that as
what he calls the very nerve of

768
00:51:32,560 –> 00:51:35,680
the atonement, the very the very
sensitive area.

769
00:51:36,240 –> 00:51:37,840
OK.
All right.

770
00:51:38,600 –> 00:51:42,840
How can that be done?
Well, it does say, it does say

771
00:51:43,080 –> 00:51:47,400
Proverbs.
He that confesses his sin, he’s

772
00:51:47,400 –> 00:51:50,120
that.
Confesses and forsakes his sin,

773
00:51:50,960 –> 00:51:54,480
we’ll find mercy with God.
You saw well there it is.

774
00:51:54,480 –> 00:51:57,840
God just wants to confess our
position, OK.

775
00:51:58,000 –> 00:52:00,160
And and that will make it right
for him to forgive.

776
00:52:00,160 –> 00:52:03,000
We’ll confess that he’s right.
His judgments are right.

777
00:52:03,000 –> 00:52:06,640
You were your death all right
and you knew it was wrong and

778
00:52:06,640 –> 00:52:10,840
you now want to go in the right
direction and and if you forsake

779
00:52:10,840 –> 00:52:13,000
it, that is you.
You change the direction of

780
00:52:13,000 –> 00:52:15,760
life.
That’s conversion depends then

781
00:52:15,760 –> 00:52:18,000
you’ll then you’ll find mercy
with God.

782
00:52:18,000 –> 00:52:20,160
So it’s as simple.
As that, all we’ve got to do is

783
00:52:20,160 –> 00:52:23,360
confess our sin.
And and and you think?

784
00:52:23,360 –> 00:52:25,280
Oh well.
It’s the name of.

785
00:52:25,280 –> 00:52:28,400
Jesus Christ and all this stuff.
All you got to do is.

786
00:52:29,240 –> 00:52:35,320
Confess.
It’s not that simple.

787
00:52:38,920 –> 00:52:40,720
The scriptures aren’t wrong, of
course.

788
00:52:42,040 –> 00:52:43,120
Now.
So soon?

789
00:52:43,160 –> 00:52:47,000
No soon SO.
God’s been defined, his honour

790
00:52:47,000 –> 00:52:51,480
has been crucified.
All right, I’ll use that term

791
00:52:51,480 –> 00:52:56,160
because it’s when you look at
Christ crucified on those

792
00:52:56,240 –> 00:53:00,240
previous chart there the first
level.

793
00:53:00,320 –> 00:53:06,400
Of atonement is the first level
is God came in the midst of men

794
00:53:06,720 –> 00:53:11,800
in the person of his Son he
manifest God perfectly perfect

795
00:53:11,800 –> 00:53:16,680
holiness, perfect righteousness
and what did men do They crucify

796
00:53:16,680 –> 00:53:24,280
that and what does Peter say in
Paul the next day or whenever it

797
00:53:24,280 –> 00:53:30,360
was he accused everybody of
crucifying Christ.

798
00:53:30,800 –> 00:53:38,080
Some weren’t even there.
He accused everybody in Christ.

799
00:53:40,400 –> 00:53:45,560
In in Hebrews chapter 6, it says
that if, if, if you’ve been a

800
00:53:45,560 –> 00:53:48,840
particular Holy Spirit and this
and this and this and this and

801
00:53:48,840 –> 00:53:54,680
you leave the truth, he says you
leave the truth and trample the

802
00:53:54,720 –> 00:53:56,800
the honor of the Son of God
under foot.

803
00:53:57,720 –> 00:54:03,680
He says you.
Crucify Christ afresh, which

804
00:54:03,680 –> 00:54:07,280
means they’ve already crucified
Him once and if they leave the

805
00:54:07,280 –> 00:54:11,800
truth, they crucify him again
because to to leave the truth

806
00:54:11,800 –> 00:54:13,840
then was to go back in the
synagogue and to get into the

807
00:54:13,840 –> 00:54:18,680
synagogue, you had to actually
call Jesus Christ a cursed all

808
00:54:18,680 –> 00:54:22,240
right now to join the crucified
him again.

809
00:54:23,000 –> 00:54:26,320
But the point is that implies
everybody.

810
00:54:26,480 –> 00:54:31,400
That crowd represents everybody.
Everybody had filed the honour

811
00:54:31,400 –> 00:54:35,240
of God and it was only the
disciples of law forsook him and

812
00:54:35,240 –> 00:54:40,200
fled all right and at Pentecost
was these Jews from everywhere.

813
00:54:40,200 –> 00:54:41,640
They may not have even been
there.

814
00:54:41,640 –> 00:54:44,400
Passover, but he accuses them of
crucifying.

815
00:54:45,280 –> 00:54:47,840
The Son of God and there was no
objection.

816
00:54:48,280 –> 00:54:52,680
They got the message.
The message is your sins.

817
00:54:53,240 –> 00:54:57,480
Every sin you do crucifies God’s
honor.

818
00:55:00,000 –> 00:55:04,360
Every sin we do crucifies God’s
honor.

819
00:55:05,360 –> 00:55:07,720
And that’s level one of the
atonement.

820
00:55:07,720 –> 00:55:10,760
That’s what’s taught in the day
of Penny Cross and in the temple

821
00:55:10,760 –> 00:55:17,840
the next day.
So soon as Adam and Eve sin

822
00:55:17,840 –> 00:55:22,720
before pass sentence on him,
before he passed sentence on

823
00:55:22,720 –> 00:55:25,360
him, he extracted this
confession.

824
00:55:25,800 –> 00:55:28,200
You know, Adam’s supposed to
been so much in love with his

825
00:55:28,200 –> 00:55:31,920
wife, but he blames God for
giving him this.

826
00:55:31,920 –> 00:55:34,560
Wife, you know, he was that
afraid and everything.

827
00:55:34,840 –> 00:55:38,720
The woman which thou gave us me,
she gave me this to, you know,

828
00:55:39,080 –> 00:55:42,040
it’s terrible, terrible
attitudes.

829
00:55:42,040 –> 00:55:44,560
You know, sin leads to sin and
terrible attitudes.

830
00:55:45,160 –> 00:55:48,160
But before he, he brings the
condemnation, first on the

831
00:55:48,160 –> 00:55:51,320
woman, then on Adam, you know,
on the sweat of thy face,

832
00:55:51,320 –> 00:55:54,120
etcetera, etcetera.
The ground curse.

833
00:55:54,960 –> 00:56:02,000
If I already did that, he said,
OK, you’ve introduced a problem,

834
00:56:03,640 –> 00:56:09,320
I’m going to deal with it.
It looks like my education

835
00:56:09,680 –> 00:56:13,840
that’s failed.
Why even talk about what’s going

836
00:56:13,840 –> 00:56:16,960
to happen to you if you’re sin,
how you’re going to die, how

837
00:56:16,960 –> 00:56:19,600
it’s going to be a long slow
process, OK, and all the

838
00:56:19,600 –> 00:56:22,520
details, thorns and systems
before that.

839
00:56:22,520 –> 00:56:26,320
I just want you to know I’m
going to raise up another son of

840
00:56:26,320 –> 00:56:32,120
God and he’s going to vindicate
my the power of my education.

841
00:56:33,160 –> 00:56:40,320
He’s going to glorify me.
He’s going to declare my he’s

842
00:56:40,320 –> 00:56:44,440
going to honor me and my work
will not fire.

843
00:56:45,520 –> 00:56:50,160
That’s the first message in the
curse on the server that God

844
00:56:50,160 –> 00:56:53,840
will be victorious.
That’s the first message.

845
00:56:54,120 –> 00:56:56,720
And then he goes on, condemns
the woman.

846
00:56:57,520 –> 00:57:08,500
As you know, all those details,
all I got there, there had to be

847
00:57:08,500 –> 00:57:11,440
a moral victory.
It had to be by divine

848
00:57:11,440 –> 00:57:14,600
education.
He would educate him and he

849
00:57:14,600 –> 00:57:16,760
would love God and he’d love his
neighbor.

850
00:57:16,760 –> 00:57:20,600
He was morally taught of God and
he was obedient under death.

851
00:57:20,880 –> 00:57:23,760
Then later, of course, came the
physical victory.

852
00:57:24,040 –> 00:57:26,480
Physical victory takes 3/10 of a
second.

853
00:57:26,920 –> 00:57:28,760
A moral victory takes a
lifetime.

854
00:57:32,000 –> 00:57:34,720
The physical victory is a
twinkling eye, and that’s about

855
00:57:34,720 –> 00:57:37,720
3/10 of a second.
Coordinates of book I read the

856
00:57:37,760 –> 00:57:49,920
other day.
I think for for young people

857
00:57:49,920 –> 00:57:54,880
here we should discuss the
difference and the likeness

858
00:57:54,880 –> 00:57:57,440
between Jesus Christ and
ourselves.

859
00:58:00,200 –> 00:58:03,240
It says as the children of
partakers of flesh and blood, He

860
00:58:03,680 –> 00:58:07,760
himself likewise partook of the
same, that through death he

861
00:58:07,760 –> 00:58:10,200
might destroy him that had the
power of death, that is the

862
00:58:10,200 –> 00:58:12,280
devil.
So Jesus Christ partook of our

863
00:58:12,280 –> 00:58:16,720
same nature what the law could
not do, and that was weak

864
00:58:16,720 –> 00:58:20,680
through the flesh.
God sending his own Son in the

865
00:58:20,680 –> 00:58:24,680
likeness of sinful flesh, and as
a sin offering gained a victory

866
00:58:24,680 –> 00:58:28,920
over sin.
That was it says condemn sin in

867
00:58:28,920 –> 00:58:33,320
the flesh.
I want you got to look very

868
00:58:33,320 –> 00:58:35,800
carefully at this.
I can cannot be seen.

869
00:58:36,760 –> 00:58:41,480
You got to look great at this.
Forget that.

870
00:58:41,480 –> 00:58:47,000
This Is Us, all right?
Of course, we’ve got balances

871
00:58:47,000 –> 00:58:52,080
here, OK, We.
Have a dual capacity in our

872
00:58:52,080 –> 00:58:54,920
brains.
We have a capacity to develop

873
00:58:55,080 –> 00:59:00,600
the image and likeness of God,
and we have this capacity to

874
00:59:00,600 –> 00:59:05,280
send to transgress.
Those two pots represent

875
00:59:05,280 –> 00:59:11,240
capacities.
OK, this pot’s pretty full.

876
00:59:13,000 –> 00:59:16,880
We not only we inherited sin
proneness, but we have

877
00:59:16,880 –> 00:59:21,280
personally exacerbated by our
transgressions, we’ve made that

878
00:59:21,280 –> 00:59:23,560
a bit heavier, in fact a lot of
heavier.

879
00:59:25,560 –> 00:59:28,760
And 50 years ago the Christian
Evans used that big fights about

880
00:59:28,760 –> 00:59:30,720
what you inherited from that and
what you didn’t.

881
00:59:30,720 –> 00:59:33,960
And some said you inherit all
this sin proneness from Adam and

882
00:59:33,960 –> 00:59:36,960
that’s your whole sin problem.
The other said, no, you don’t

883
00:59:36,960 –> 00:59:39,000
inherit that at all.
There’s no difference in that.

884
00:59:39,000 –> 00:59:41,640
And before and after fall.
All your sin.

885
00:59:41,640 –> 00:59:45,200
Problems are product of habit.
You don’t inherit anything from

886
00:59:45,200 –> 00:59:47,160
Adam.
OK, that was the great item.

887
00:59:47,160 –> 00:59:51,840
The fact is, it’s both.
You do inherit a sin proneness,

888
00:59:52,120 –> 00:59:54,640
and you do exacerbate it, make
it worse.

889
00:59:54,640 –> 00:59:58,960
Exacerbate means make worse.
You make it worse by your

890
00:59:58,960 –> 01:00:02,520
conduct.
That produces habits, that

891
01:00:02,520 –> 01:00:07,280
produces tram lines, and that
makes sin ever so much easier.

892
01:00:08,440 –> 01:00:12,120
Up here we’ve been may or may
not be taking on board moral

893
01:00:12,120 –> 01:00:16,560
values, and we’ve been taking on
board some divine moral values.

894
01:00:16,560 –> 01:00:22,360
Hence blue instead of red sin.
OK, But the pots themselves are

895
01:00:22,360 –> 01:00:27,520
capacities.
And consequently I said Primus

896
01:00:27,680 –> 01:00:30,680
is a bit heavier than our image
and likeness.

897
01:00:32,320 –> 01:00:36,760
And that’s why, even though we
want to go the right way, you

898
01:00:36,760 –> 01:00:43,800
know you and you’re very serene
and very righteous and think of

899
01:00:43,800 –> 01:00:46,400
the right things, and you walk
into the Telegraph pole like I’m

900
01:00:46,400 –> 01:00:48,480
always doing, and you kick the
thing.

901
01:00:48,480 –> 01:00:52,040
And if you knew how to swear,
you’d swear that you feel like

902
01:00:52,040 –> 01:00:54,920
it, you know?
I mean, it just happens.

903
01:00:54,920 –> 01:00:58,280
That’s the way it is.
And you know, even Paul was a

904
01:00:58,280 –> 01:01:02,720
man, a great man, but he follows
the mayor of I am a Jesus

905
01:01:02,720 –> 01:01:04,280
Christ.
But he could get in a very

906
01:01:04,280 –> 01:01:07,720
heated argument with Barnabas,
so much so that they parted

907
01:01:07,720 –> 01:01:10,560
company.
Yet God selected them to work

908
01:01:10,560 –> 01:01:12,560
together, the first missionary
journey.

909
01:01:12,640 –> 01:01:19,200
So they’re very righteous men,
not indirect, but they made

910
01:01:19,200 –> 01:01:22,800
mistakes because that’s us in
all varying.

911
01:01:22,800 –> 01:01:30,320
Degrees, but here’s Jesus Christ
tempted points so this sin

912
01:01:30,320 –> 01:01:34,240
proneness capacity was there.
The temptations were there all

913
01:01:34,240 –> 01:01:37,800
the time all right, but he had
never exacerbated.

914
01:01:37,800 –> 01:01:41,960
It’s an empty vessel and you
say, Oh, well, he wasn’t tempted

915
01:01:41,960 –> 01:01:44,560
as bad as us.
I don’t know about that.

916
01:01:45,760 –> 01:01:49,440
In fact, the worst part of
temptation is the first part of

917
01:01:49,840 –> 01:01:52,280
the sin is actually the
temptation part.

918
01:01:53,640 –> 01:01:56,480
Actually, temptation builds up
the attraction.

919
01:01:57,000 –> 01:02:00,880
Writer.
Then the satisfaction that comes

920
01:02:00,920 –> 01:02:02,960
from actually fulfilling it
quite often.

921
01:02:04,000 –> 01:02:06,480
You know, how often does a kid,
I pinched an apple off the

922
01:02:06,480 –> 01:02:10,280
table, it looked beautiful.
But when I put my, when I took a

923
01:02:10,280 –> 01:02:14,480
crunch out with the most flowery
rotten thing that come across,

924
01:02:14,480 –> 01:02:17,360
you know, the temptation was far
greater than the actual

925
01:02:17,640 –> 01:02:19,120
transgression.
You know what I mean?

926
01:02:19,480 –> 01:02:23,840
The hard part’s the temptation.
And he felt the hard parts,

927
01:02:23,840 –> 01:02:27,400
every one of them, and he felt
every temptation.

928
01:02:28,080 –> 01:02:30,680
We have temptations.
We don’t even realize they are

929
01:02:30,680 –> 01:02:32,400
temptations.
We don’t even realize they’re

930
01:02:32,400 –> 01:02:33,480
sins.
Yet some of.

931
01:02:33,480 –> 01:02:36,760
Them you know in.
Attitudes and reactions and how

932
01:02:36,800 –> 01:02:39,200
you react to people saying this
and.

933
01:02:39,200 –> 01:02:42,920
Some are short fused and some
aren’t and and and some are

934
01:02:42,920 –> 01:02:47,760
tolerant of fault and.
We think we’re right and and

935
01:02:47,760 –> 01:02:50,840
quite often we’re quite wrong.
You know it just there’s no end

936
01:02:50,840 –> 01:02:54,920
of it it.
Was tempted in all those areas,

937
01:02:55,320 –> 01:02:57,120
you know, as soon as he is
baptized.

938
01:02:58,360 –> 01:03:00,600
Yeah, 3 minutes.
There we go.

939
01:03:00,600 –> 01:03:03,280
As soon as he’s baptized, you
send in the wilderness.

940
01:03:03,800 –> 01:03:05,920
It’s prophetic.
His life would be 1.

941
01:03:06,240 –> 01:03:10,080
Baptism was a commitment to all
flesh is grasped.

942
01:03:10,080 –> 01:03:13,840
The word endures forever.
That would involve and there was

943
01:03:13,840 –> 01:03:16,960
a symbolic temptation.
It would involve a battle.

944
01:03:17,160 –> 01:03:22,920
In life against the temptations
of the flesh versus the power of

945
01:03:22,920 –> 01:03:26,960
divine education.
And he, he went through that 40

946
01:03:26,960 –> 01:03:30,840
days, but that was symbolic.
That’s what was been going on

947
01:03:30,840 –> 01:03:35,600
for 30 years before it and what
would go on for 3 1/2 years

948
01:03:35,600 –> 01:03:38,840
after it.
And he he would be successful

949
01:03:38,840 –> 01:03:40,680
even under the death of the.
Cross.

950
01:03:41,360 –> 01:03:44,800
So time’s gone, but there’s
Jesus Christ.

951
01:03:45,200 –> 01:03:49,880
He had the same synchronous, the
same as us, tempted in all

952
01:03:49,880 –> 01:03:52,960
points, but He’d never
exacerbated but his.

953
01:03:52,960 –> 01:03:55,760
Capacity to be an image and
likeness.

954
01:03:55,760 –> 01:04:00,600
God was obviously greater than
ours and ours differs from

955
01:04:00,600 –> 01:04:06,080
person to person anyway.
All right, even in these areas,

956
01:04:06,120 –> 01:04:08,360
criminals have got a great big
bucket here.

957
01:04:08,360 –> 01:04:12,520
I think that, you know, maybe
genetically, I don’t know, maybe

958
01:04:12,520 –> 01:04:14,480
not, maybe it’s habit.
They’re not God.

959
01:04:14,480 –> 01:04:18,560
No, too complex, they’re not.
But obviously had a great

960
01:04:18,560 –> 01:04:21,880
capacity here.
It says in Azar 11, he had a

961
01:04:21,880 –> 01:04:28,520
cent, a cent for righteousness.
A scent is an instinctive thing.

962
01:04:28,840 –> 01:04:33,320
It’s a, it’s a genetic thing,
OK, Like a bird has an instinct

963
01:04:33,600 –> 01:04:35,680
to migrate.
It doesn’t know it’s just an

964
01:04:35,680 –> 01:04:37,160
instinct up.
It flies.

965
01:04:37,400 –> 01:04:41,240
It knows how to travel at 10,000
kilometers with its mates.

966
01:04:41,680 –> 01:04:47,280
Instinct, in other words, it’s
extremely strong instinctiveness

967
01:04:47,280 –> 01:04:51,120
toward a certain direction.
It says in Isaiah 11 Christ had

968
01:04:51,120 –> 01:04:55,200
that OK, consequently had the
ability now that wouldn’t.

969
01:04:55,200 –> 01:04:59,080
That’s not righteousness on its
own, it’s the capacity to be

970
01:04:59,080 –> 01:05:01,680
divine like.
It had to be filled.

971
01:05:02,720 –> 01:05:05,960
He had to be educated, and he
was educated.

972
01:05:06,040 –> 01:05:08,560
That opens my ear morning by
morning.

973
01:05:09,480 –> 01:05:12,920
Every morning you open my ear.
Therefore I was able to give my

974
01:05:12,920 –> 01:05:15,840
back to the smiters to them to
pluck out the hair.

975
01:05:16,200 –> 01:05:19,760
That’s how it’s able to overcome
temptation and trial and be

976
01:05:19,760 –> 01:05:22,520
victorious because you got an
educated.

977
01:05:22,600 –> 01:05:24,160
His parents couldn’t couldn’t do
that.

978
01:05:24,480 –> 01:05:27,560
Only God could do that.
And from a very early age is

979
01:05:27,560 –> 01:05:32,880
taught as Adam directly by God
and that says in Hebrews, he

980
01:05:32,880 –> 01:05:35,840
upheld everything.
He achieved everything here by

981
01:05:35,840 –> 01:05:40,160
the word of God’s power.
It was power, the word of God.

982
01:05:40,680 –> 01:05:43,800
We’ve got to leave it at that.
Where are we going?

983
01:05:47,360 –> 01:05:50,120
We’re going on the next week on
Sin Blinds.

984
01:05:50,760 –> 01:05:55,440
Very interesting one here.
That’s an interesting 1, isn’t

985
01:05:55,440 –> 01:05:59,160
it?
Any resemblance to anyone in

986
01:05:59,160 –> 01:06:01,120
this hall is purely
coincidental.

987
01:06:01,480 –> 01:06:03,880
No correspondence will be
entered into.

988
01:06:04,560 –> 01:06:06,240
This.
Must be a bloke with a beer, but

989
01:06:06,240 –> 01:06:08,960
my wife reckons it’s me with an
ice cream cone.

990
01:06:10,640 –> 01:06:11,600
Thanks for that.
Yeah.