197: Dev Ramcharan – Coping In A Fallen World

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Welcome to good Chris Selfian
Talks.

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I’m Levi.
And I’m Chris.

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And I’m Brian.
Thank you for joining us this

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week on this podcast.
We select One Talk a week to

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help us get the Bible in our
Daily News feed.

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We post a new episode at the
start of each week.

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With a short intro beforehand to
kind of set the stage for the

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talk you’re about to listen to.
And now let’s talk more about

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this week’s talk.
Welcome to the good Chris

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Adelphian Talks podcast.
This is Brother Brian.

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This week’s talk is a class.
In the middle of a series on

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Ecclesiastes that was given by
brother Dave Ramsrand at the

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Palm Springs Bible School
earlier this year, 2022.

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The official series title is The
Whole Duty of Man and we’ll be

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listening to the third class
entitled Coping in a Fallen

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World.
But I’d strongly suggest you

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listen to the whole week’s worth
because every class is solid.

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Breaking down.
You know, like chapter by

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chapter, the mindset of Solomon,
the preacher in Ecclesiastes,

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and how we can, like, just
reconcile the vast differences

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in the statements that are made
and perhaps where the lessons

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were learned along the way.
But really, the signature of

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this series is Brother Dave’s
personal commentary, which is

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interwoven throughout each
verse.

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Turning side comments to stories
that take on life of their own

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and become so deeply personal
and intimate.

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And if you’ve ever been in the
audience for one of his talks,

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it feels at times like he’s
speaking at you 6 inches from

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your face and just that you and
that you have nowhere to hide.

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And it’s because he’s got such a
gift in speaking in the real

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list of terms and oftentimes
saying what needs to be said

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when and where others won’t.
Now I say that in the most

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complimentary way because
Brother Dave is such a diligent

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Bible student, but I would say
any class I’ve listened to an

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expectation, any series.
It doesn’t matter what the

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subject is at the end of each
class.

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It almost feels more like you’re
walking out of a therapy session

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and that you just need some time
to just sit and process what he

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may have stirred up in your
heart.

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He cares, and I say all that
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This particular series and the
audience he was speaking to hits

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close to home at the moment.
The Palm Springs Bible School in

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California typically is not a
Young people’s Family Bible

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school, but pretty much one for
those who are about to be

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retired or long since retired,
if I could put it kindly.

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And the subject matter of
Ecclesiastes as an end of life

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reflection.
Is just addressed so poignantly

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that even the young chap, as
myself was deeply moved by his

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exposition.
So for Class 3 it jumps us right

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in the middle.
It’s not great for continuity,

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but I chose this one because I
think it had the most consistent

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and compelling side comments and
stories that have really meant a

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lot to me.
Just this morning one of our

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elder sisters in our meeting at
Moorestown fell asleep in the

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Lord and I was thinking about a
comment in this class that

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Brother Dave makes and his
explanation of this comment

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alone.
I think it’s worth posting the

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entire class.
So what he said was start

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working on having a good death.
And you’ll want to stop what

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you’re doing and listen a few
times over when he gets to

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making that point and what he
says about it.

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So I apologize for the overly
long intro.

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The link to the rest of the
classes is going to be in the

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description as well as it’ll
soon be on the GCT extended

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podcast.
Once again, this series is

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called The Whole Duty of Man and
this will be the third class of

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five.
So as always.

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We hope this strengthens your
faith and brightens your day.

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Brother Dave Ramsrand coping in
a fallen world Good morning,

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brothers and sisters.
Did you all have a good night’s

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sleep?
Well, I don’t believe you

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because at your age that’s an
impossibility or a rarity.

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A rarity at least.
So if you did have a good

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night’s sleep, that’s a
wonderful blessing.

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So we’re going to look now.
At Ecclesiastes 6 and then work

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our way forward.
Now let me just remind you a

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little bit about how things are
put together in this book.

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They are the thoughts of a
brother who has made some big

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mistakes in his life.
He’s had a lot more than most

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people that he has ruled over
have ever experienced.

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It didn’t make him happy.
There was always something he

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was searching for and searching
for and searching for.

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So money, power, women,
opportunities just didn’t fill

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the void.
And he noticed.

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He noticed that life had an
inherent hole in it.

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He looked at the world and the
way things work, and he saw

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unfairness in so many different
ways.

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He also saw an unpredictability.
He realized that you could be a

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good person or a righteous
person or a God fearing person.

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We know no one is good.
Christ said that but a God

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fearing person and still have a
really tough, difficult painful

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life.
You could be a wicked individual

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and have a trouble free life and
so there wasn’t a predictability

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he saw based on how you behaved
in this world.

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What he realizes and fits and
starts, it seems, through the

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course of the writing of the
book and the capturing of these

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alternating thoughts, that in
the end, a life of faith is the

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life that we need to subscribe
to, that we need to hold on to.

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And that going and making our
life in this world all about

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parties and laughter and
merriment is ultimately an empty

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life.
The life of a believer, which in

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in in involves endurance,
patience, and choosing to

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believe and have faith in God,
is something that we should all

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be trying to do.
Am I the only one who’s hearing

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bells, or is this a problem
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In my head, alright, sounds like
some kind of tinkling, jingling

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that’s going on.
So when we go through these

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chapters, sometimes he writes
from the point of view of a man

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of faith.
Other time he writes from the

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point of view of the darkening
view towards the end of life, of

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a man of this world, at an uncle
like that.

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Made a very, very big success of
his.

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His life dragged himself up out
of poverty.

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My dad’s brother was very kind
to all of his brothers and

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sisters and their kids often had
young families who were nephews

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and nieces living free of charge
in houses that that he owned,

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just free because it was who he
was.

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He had a terribly hot temper
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And he would lose his temper.
And then it was over, except for

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the person with whom he had lost
his temper, that they had to go

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and get repaired somewhere
after.

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But as his life went on, fewer
and fewer people came and

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visited him.
Fewer and fewer people

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remembered to come say thank you
to him for all of his kindness,

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everything that he had done.
Even found this time goes that

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went by, that the people that
were closest to him didn’t come

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to see him.
Now part of that was because of

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his temper and his critical
nature, and so it tended to

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alienate people.
The problem was the people

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closest to him weren’t there for
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And so all the money, all the
power, all the influence, all

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the adulation, all the hangers
on, all the people who

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benefited.
None of that mattered at the end

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of his life, because what he
experienced is what this man is

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describing in the Book of
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He’s describing the fact that in
spite of everything that you get

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and everything you can have
apart from God, if your life is

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only about what is under the sun
on this earth, it winds up being

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an altogether empty life.
That’s the point he’s making

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now.
This is Solomon.

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I believe it is Solomon, and
he’s speaking to the

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congregation.
Maybe not in one connected talk,

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but he would give pieces of this
message.

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He was talking to a culture that
was all about materialism.

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Yes, they believed in Yahweh,
the God of Israel, but they were

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all about the accumulation of
wealth.

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And we see evidence of that
because of the abundance of gold

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and silver as it’s described
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And also the attitude of the men
that grew up with Rehoboam who

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said no, no, no, you’re not
going to go out to these people

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and tell them that you’re going
to ease up on the tax burden.

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You’re going to tell them you
think it was hard under my dad.

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It’s going to be twice as hard
under me because I’m tougher,

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stronger.
And I’m going to require more of

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you than he ever asked.
Not, not in whose interest was

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that?
Not the people’s, but in their

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personal interest, the
accumulation of material wealth

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as rapidly as possible.
And of course, it split the

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nation, because a man named
Jeraboam, who had fled for his

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life and then had come back into
the country at the death of

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Solomon.
Who had grown up the son of a

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widow, and we’re told that
deliberately for a reason.

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It meant that he was a man who
knew what poverty and hard times

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were like.
He could have a sense of fellow

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feeling with people who
struggled to pay their taxes,

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who often had to sell their kids
into slavery so that they could

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pay the debts that were incurred
as a result of the hardship.

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Of the system of taxation that
was in place under Solomon, He

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could relate to those who felt
as if they’d been bruised by and

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alienated from the leadership of
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And so he could speak to their
hearts in a way that Rehoboam,

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who’d grown up in the lap of
luxury with his friends, could

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never hope to be able to speak
to the people.

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It is no wonder that he was able
to take.

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The majority of the nation away
with him because he could speak

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to their sense of grievance,
their sense of having been taken

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advantage of by the rich and
powerful, their sense of the

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fact that the leaders did not
give a hoot about them and they

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had to look after themselves.
It’s why they say those words

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while you look after yourself,
Judah, and they go their own

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way.
But this society under Solomon

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is afflicted with great
materialism, and we can relate

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to that, can’t we?
We can relate to that both for

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ourselves, having grown old in
the society, in times of

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prosperity, without war.
That’s why this war is so

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shocking to us, because there
has not been a war like this in

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Europe.
Since the Second World War, I

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know there was the the conflict
in Yugoslavia that occurred, but

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a major power attacking another
country in Europe has not

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happened since the Germans did
it, Czechoslovakia, Poland,

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France, and so on and so forth.
So this is a, this is a this is

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almost an echo coming back from
some of your childhoods.

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When you look back and you
remember that the times when

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people had to tighten their
belts because of the war

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necessity and the way that
provisions were really hard to

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get a hold of and there wasn’t a
huge amount of food.

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Obesity was not a problem at
that time because nobody had a

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lot or a lot to eat.
So Solomon is talking to the

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hearts of people.
Who ultimately didn’t listen.

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But his words continue to move
us today because we can see an

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alignment between what he is
talking about and our own

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struggles in the faith.
So what does that mean then?

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Believers have doubts.
Doubt is a part of our life in

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the truth.
Yes, it.

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Is Yes, we do.
There are times when we have

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doubts.
There are times when we struggle

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to make sense of what’s
happening, what God seems to be

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allowing or doing in our lives,
or the lives of those that we

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see around us or even distant
from us.

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You think of that brother and
his little boy in the Ukraine

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that Mark showed us in that
wonderful session last night.

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Our hearts bleed for them.
Imagine what that must be like.

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And we we see our children,
sometimes your children in their

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30s, forties, 50s or even 60s
and 70s, who have been so deeply

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affected by the materialism of
this age as I have and my

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generation.
And you look at that and you

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realize, how do you live that?
And live the truth at the same

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time.
And it’s hard.

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It’s hard for us to serve both
God and mammon, isn’t it?

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But doubts?
Doubt is a part of faith.

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What does that mean?
We are going to have our

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struggles and then make our
decision in our struggle.

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To say I may not understand
that.

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I may not have the answer I’m
looking for for this, but I’m

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going to make a choice and I
choose to believe God and I

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choose to have faith in him.
Though I can’t workout

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everything and get the answers
I’m looking for for this, that

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or the other issue, problem or
situation.

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I choose God.
He’s never let me down till now

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and I will continue to believe
in him.

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And so when our kids come to us
with their doubts, sometimes we

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we we we we don’t tell them
about our own struggles in the

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face, but we have our struggles
in the face and we come back and

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we keep holding on.
So this this book is filled with

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a man’s struggles in the faith
as he wrestles with materialism

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as he.
Experiments with the pleasures

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and the prosperity of his age
while at the same time observing

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himself and those things that
are associated with what is

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eternal beyond death, beyond
what we see and feel today.

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It have only to do with things
we have faith in and trust God

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that he will accomplish.
So the the book is so modern.

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In fact, many philosophers today
see this as a book that aligns

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with 20th century philosophy, a
kind of philosophy that was

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called existentialism, that
talks about the fact that all we

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have here, all we see here,
that’s all there is, and the

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life of humanity is altogether
dark and ends and ends with

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nothingness.
Puts us into a void with nothing

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beyond.
And so philosophers of an

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existential bent look at this
book and say, oh boy, this is an

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ancient book that aligns with
what we believe.

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And they ignore all the bits
that talk about faith and God

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and holding on to God.
So it’s very modern, but it’s

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also very truthful.
And it’s something that we can

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look at and relate to.
In parts of it, there seems to

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be a connected sequence of
thoughts, and you can identify

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that sequence of thoughts in
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In other parts of the book, it’s
a collection of sayings, and at

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the end of the book it’ll say
that the preacher collected

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Proverbs.
And of course, if Solomon wrote

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the proverbs, which I also
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Well, it’s a collection of
things that he put together as

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pieces of wisdom.
Sometimes they look like they’re

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in conflict with each other.
And what what is intended for us

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to do is to say to ourselves, it
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And we interpret each of these
based on circumstances to

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understand how one thing could
be sent in one way at a certain

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point in the book and then in an
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the book.
So let’s jump back into chapter

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6.
Then There is an evil which I’ve

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seen where under the sun on the
earth in this earthly life.

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And it is common among men.
A man to whom God has given

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riches, wealth and honor so that
he doesn’t lack anything and he

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has everything he could want and
yet he doesn’t have the power to

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eat thereof, but someone else
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And that can happen in this
world.

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Work, work, work, work, work,
work, work, and not enjoy what

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you’ve worked for and what
you’ve been able to acquire as a

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result.
And then you hand it off to

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someone who enjoys it all and
fritters it away with zero work

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whatsoever.
Now Solomon seems to have this

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coming up in his mind all the
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He’s worried about rehoboam and
what’s going to happen.

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To the Kingdom, to his
possessions, to the accumulation

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of wealth that has given him the
power that he has to pay armies,

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etc, etc.
What’s this boy, this man going

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to do when I’m gone?
So he’s reflecting on these

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kinds of things and he says,
look if you if you have 100

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children, so that the days of
your years be many, but your

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soul is not filled with good.
And in the end nobody even gives

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you a decent burial.
Then he says, Somebody who is an

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untimely birth is better than
he.

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But he comes in with vanity, and
he departs in darkness, that his

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name shall be covered with
darkness.

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Moreover, he hath not seen the
sun, nor known anything.

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This hath more rest than the
other.

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A miscarried baby is better off
than a man who had all this

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wealth, never enjoyed it, and
handed it off to someone else to

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enjoy.
That’s what he’s saying.

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It’s a pretty dark view, isn’t
it?

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So it must mean to some degree,
for all of Solomon’s wisdom and

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all of his possessions and all
of his might, you had a hard

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time really enjoying what he
had.

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We’re going to drop down now.
Nine better is the sight of the

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eyes then the wandering of the
desire.

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Now what could that possibly
mean?

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This is what it means.
It’s better to want what you

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have than to have what you want,
to see what you already have and

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desire it and be grateful for
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Meant to be continually wanting
more and more and more and more

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and more and more and the way
everything is set up today.

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You know, Amazon, eBay, etc etc
etc.

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These things just promote the
wanting more.

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I know because I’m affected by
that.

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You must be too.
For those of you who like

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technology, well it’s both a
curse and a blessing, isn’t it?

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How many of you have felt that
you really do need to get that

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new iPhone every two years?
I’m talking about you kids in

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your 50s and 60s, right?
You lads and lasses.

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And they’ve even built the thing
so that they start to

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malfunction at year two when
they could in fact last you for

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10 years.
But they made it so that things

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become obsolete quickly.
So you continue really have to

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buy something new and buy
something new, buy something new

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and buy something new.
It’s just the way things have

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been set up for us.
Better is the sight of the eyes,

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what you can see and what you
have than the continual

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wandering of the desire for more
and more and more this is this

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look.
This also is, is is emptiness

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and and a striving after wind.
So what are we striving after?

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You know that feeling
youngsters, when your Amazon box

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arrives.
And you bring it in, and there

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are even on YouTube videos of
what they call unboxing.

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How stupid is that?
A person films 15 minutes of

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himself opening the box.
He hasn’t even seen the thing in

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it yet.
Now I take a knife when I’m as

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you can see, I’m cutting the
box.

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Gee, they have good tape on
these boxes.

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It’s the lunacy of this age.
What is the wind we’re chasing?

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Happiness.
You feel happy and then it’s

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unboxed.
Use it once and you laid aside

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whatever The thing is, right?
Whatever The thing is.

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I like music and I like
something that’s really old.

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It’s called a CD, right?
It’s old today.

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Now, it used to be that if you
had to buy the kind of music I

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like.
So I I know I’ve told you about

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this, Rolling Stones.
And that’s the stuff I grew up

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with.
The Stones, The Beatles, Led

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Zeppelin.
You remember it?

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I don’t know.
You may not know any of those

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punk rock groups with
inappropriate names and so on

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and so forth.
But I learned all about and

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learn to love classical music
and jazz.

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Now what would happen is you’d
buy one jazz CD.

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It might cost you $15.
Today you can get 150 Jazz C D’s

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in one box for $100.
So what we paid for those things

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25 years ago, 30 years ago, 40
years ago is is like nothing

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today.
So what do you think that’s

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going to do to somebody like me?
Oh no, I won’t do that.

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That’s that’s greedy and
inappropriate.

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There’s a room I have you can
barely walk into because of

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boxes of CD’s I do not have
enough time in my lifetime to

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listen to.
But the the the, the urge to

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accumulate.
I can get the complete works of

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Lozart for $150.00.
Yes, I’m getting that.

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It’s still in its plastic in
that room because that’s what

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our materialistic age is doing
to us.

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It knows our weakness.
It knows our frailty.

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Marketers know how to hook us
and pull us in.

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And so the accumulation and
accumulation.

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Is all about a fitful desire to
find happiness through things,

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and we might get a momentary
bump up, but then it Peters out.

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It it it it it just it just goes
away.

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And I know my daughters will
throw every CD I own into the

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garbage dump.
Everyone of them.

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Not one single CD will be left
right.

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So an actual fact, the true
worth of those things, they will

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demonstrate, right?
Those things that made me so

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happy, you know?
And for every brother and

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sister, it’s a different thing.
Might be sewing supplies for the

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thing you will never ever get
around to sewing, right?

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But boy, do you have the best
thread.

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Or if you’re a nitter, the best
yarn a person could possibly

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have all the way from Turkey,
from sheep that were hunted down

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on the whatever, right?
Right.

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And Cars Brothers and their
cars, right?

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Yes.
Like, think about it this way.

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Everybody’s thing that they have
that you don’t have is a

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ridiculous and silly obsession.
They have those people over

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there in that thing.
But mine’s a serious collection

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thing with meaning and
importance, even if it’s like

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Marvel comic books from the
1960s.

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Right.
Oh, sorry.

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I think I must have touched a
nerve for a couple of couple of

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the youngsters in the back
there.

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Captain America, Absolutely.
So let’s drop down then to

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chapter seven, he says.
Look, a good name, a good

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reputation, a good character is
better than precious ointment.

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Now what?
Why would he?

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How do you put those those two
two things together?

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Because when a woman is in your
presence and has that kind of

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great character, you won’t know
it right off the bat.

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But if she has a precious
ointment on, you will know it

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from yards away from her before
you even reach there.

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And So what are you saying is
the showy outward things, the

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luxurious whatever of our of our
life today is empty.

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What is more important is
character.

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It’s been well said for our
kids, and I know you’re all

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thinking along these lines too.
What are you going to leave your

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kids?
What is what?

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What is more important than what
you leave for your kids is what

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you leave in your kids, what you
live in in your kids, what

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you’ve taught them, how you
raise them, the character that

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they’ve developed, what what?
What you, what you.

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Taught them was most important,
even if for now they look like

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they’ve walked away from it.
What you’ve left in them is more

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important than anything you
could leave them to spend or

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live in or or hold on to.
Because all those things will

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drift away into the ether when
what you’ve left in them will

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always be in them, Even a child
that walks away from our faith.

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Will have in them things that we
raised them with.

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Hard work, dedication, honesty,
integrity that marks them as

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different to the people in this
world.

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And don’t mourn about your kids
having left the truth or not in

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the truth.
Because where there is life,

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there is hope.
There’s a woman who came back to

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the meeting in her 80s in
Toronto.

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We were doing a a a campaign and
going out and inviting people

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who had been to the Learn to
read the Bible seminar series

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and stop coming.
So a couple of us were were

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paired up and knocked on a house
and and a woman came out who was

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in her 80s and we said look we
we’re we’re inviting you to to a

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special lecture for people who
at some point in time have come

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to the seminar series and we’d
like to invite you.

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She said the strangest thing.
She said, well you don’t usually

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do that.
Please come in.

436
00:31:10,910 –> 00:31:17,310
She made us a pot of tea and and
we had some cookies and and

437
00:31:17,310 –> 00:31:19,270
sometime into the cookies, she
said.

438
00:31:20,190 –> 00:31:23,830
Actually I am the daughter of
the recording brother of the

439
00:31:23,830 –> 00:31:28,870
church St.
Ecclesia and in the 1940s when I

440
00:31:28,870 –> 00:31:33,010
married outside of the truth.
The arranging board, the

441
00:31:33,010 –> 00:31:38,810
arranging brethren sent me a
blistering letter and I left the

442
00:31:38,810 –> 00:31:42,930
truth.
I used to bring my daughters to

443
00:31:43,210 –> 00:31:47,530
the CYC, but after a while,
because their mom and dad

444
00:31:47,530 –> 00:31:50,930
weren’t in the truth, the kids
really didn’t treat them all

445
00:31:50,930 –> 00:31:52,810
that well, so they stopped
coming too.

446
00:31:55,130 –> 00:31:57,730
Now this sister’s name was
Marguerite Kempthorne.

447
00:31:58,890 –> 00:32:04,320
Marguerite came back in.
In her 80s, made a special trip

448
00:32:04,320 –> 00:32:06,680
down to Church St.
Ecclesia so she could visit the

449
00:32:06,680 –> 00:32:11,880
hall with those brethren and
their children long dead, so

450
00:32:11,880 –> 00:32:15,640
that she could just go there and
and forgive what had been done.

451
00:32:17,040 –> 00:32:21,120
And she has to worry what is
going to happen to my little

452
00:32:21,120 –> 00:32:26,200
girls.
And they were 60s going into 70.

453
00:32:27,760 –> 00:32:31,940
She died in her 90s.
And directly after her death,

454
00:32:32,140 –> 00:32:37,260
one of her girls was baptized in
her 70s, in her 70s.

455
00:32:38,380 –> 00:32:41,340
So you might think, what’s going
to happen to my kids?

456
00:32:41,340 –> 00:32:43,580
I’ve lost everything.
I wish I’d raised them

457
00:32:43,580 –> 00:32:46,300
differently.
I wish I was there more, all the

458
00:32:46,300 –> 00:32:48,900
things that parents torture
themselves with.

459
00:32:48,900 –> 00:32:53,740
But there isn’t a mistake your
child makes as a full grown art

460
00:32:53,780 –> 00:32:57,620
adult that you don’t blame
yourself for, for some degree.

461
00:32:58,320 –> 00:33:01,080
If I’d raised him differently,
if I’d given him more love, less

462
00:33:01,080 –> 00:33:03,840
discipline, more this, more
that, we’ll all do that.

463
00:33:03,840 –> 00:33:10,520
It’s what we do as parents.
But remember, though he may not

464
00:33:10,520 –> 00:33:14,560
have chosen God, or may have
walked away from God, God

465
00:33:14,560 –> 00:33:16,200
brought that child into the
world.

466
00:33:17,720 –> 00:33:19,320
God is still working in his
life.

467
00:33:20,560 –> 00:33:24,720
And where there is life, there’s
always the hope that through

468
00:33:25,160 –> 00:33:29,250
tragedy.
Through the advent of common

469
00:33:29,250 –> 00:33:33,010
sense, Through a yearning for
something that’s more

470
00:33:33,010 –> 00:33:34,930
meaningful.
When he looks at the emptiness

471
00:33:34,930 –> 00:33:37,050
of life.
When you have everything you

472
00:33:37,050 –> 00:33:42,450
ever wanted and realize you have
nothing but somehow God will

473
00:33:42,450 –> 00:33:45,890
bring him around back into His
truth.

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00:33:46,970 –> 00:33:50,050
Pray for that.
I know we should be looking at

475
00:33:50,050 –> 00:33:52,010
these chapters, but there’s one
more thing I just want to

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00:33:52,570 –> 00:33:57,290
mention to you.
Start working.

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00:33:57,850 –> 00:34:04,050
On having a good death, what do
I mean by that?

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00:34:05,970 –> 00:34:08,610
Model for your children.
Forgiveness.

479
00:34:10,889 –> 00:34:16,889
Model for your children.
Faith and trust in God.

480
00:34:18,610 –> 00:34:21,969
Model for your children.
The recognition that this life

481
00:34:21,969 –> 00:34:25,290
that we have, even with all the
pain and suffering that comes at

482
00:34:25,290 –> 00:34:29,040
the end of this.
At the end of it, this is not

483
00:34:29,120 –> 00:34:34,080
all we have, that there’s
something better, there’s

484
00:34:34,080 –> 00:34:37,679
something coming.
And that when I close my eyes, I

485
00:34:37,800 –> 00:34:42,480
open them almost instantaneously
and I’m standing at somebody’s

486
00:34:42,480 –> 00:34:47,159
feet.
And that you may have to live

487
00:34:47,159 –> 00:34:52,280
your life, son, for another
30-40 fifty years, but I will be

488
00:34:52,280 –> 00:34:56,560
right at his feet, hoping for
his mercy.

489
00:34:58,060 –> 00:35:02,060
And His Grace, an entry into His
Kingdom.

490
00:35:04,540 –> 00:35:08,020
Let this stage of your life as
you go towards and use as you

491
00:35:08,020 –> 00:35:12,940
get to those last days, not be
about disappointment or

492
00:35:12,940 –> 00:35:18,980
bitterness or hurts and wrongs
that you still feel that all

493
00:35:18,980 –> 00:35:23,820
that stuff go, let it go and
have a good death.

494
00:35:25,320 –> 00:35:31,400
Because how you die will teach
your child about what was most

495
00:35:31,480 –> 00:35:38,440
important to you and could draw
their minds back into the

496
00:35:38,440 –> 00:35:41,480
future, into what’s most
important.

497
00:35:43,400 –> 00:35:49,040
Where they might think, you
know, Mom was in so much pain I

498
00:35:49,040 –> 00:35:52,320
could barely look at what she
was going through.

499
00:35:54,420 –> 00:35:55,860
But she kept on talking about
God.

500
00:35:57,820 –> 00:35:59,980
She kept on talking about the
Kingdom.

501
00:36:01,700 –> 00:36:08,020
She kept on telling me, son, you
have to forgive your sister and

502
00:36:08,020 –> 00:36:13,420
make peace, because that’s what
God would want you to do.

503
00:36:14,940 –> 00:36:18,140
And if there’s a last wish I
have that I want you to honor,

504
00:36:19,780 –> 00:36:21,780
it’s to make peace with your
siblings.

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00:36:24,500 –> 00:36:30,940
I have let go everything that
was in my mind, creating a

506
00:36:30,940 –> 00:36:35,860
problem for me.
All the hurts, everything that

507
00:36:35,860 –> 00:36:39,460
offended me.
What this one or that one did to

508
00:36:39,460 –> 00:36:42,980
me, what I could have had and
didn’t have.

509
00:36:44,460 –> 00:36:49,660
I let it all go because I want
to be like Christ.

510
00:36:51,030 –> 00:36:54,350
Because I know that the happiest
condition I can be in, in all

511
00:36:54,350 –> 00:37:03,630
this pain is with a kind of
thinking that is about grace and

512
00:37:03,630 –> 00:37:08,630
hope and the future that I know
is coming with all my being.

513
00:37:09,470 –> 00:37:10,830
I’ve got to get through this
pain.

514
00:37:10,830 –> 00:37:17,550
I have to close my eyes one day.
But I want you to think about

515
00:37:17,550 –> 00:37:20,740
these things.
So you might think, what have

516
00:37:20,740 –> 00:37:22,260
you got to give your kids at
this stage?

517
00:37:22,260 –> 00:37:31,100
You can give them a good death
and it it means those things so

518
00:37:31,100 –> 00:37:33,780
that they know what was most
important.

519
00:37:33,780 –> 00:37:41,540
It’s the last preaching campaign
you will be on and it could save

520
00:37:41,540 –> 00:37:45,980
someone’s life that you love.
Now Marguerite is going to stand

521
00:37:45,980 –> 00:37:47,900
up at the judgment seat and look
over.

522
00:37:49,280 –> 00:37:51,880
And see someone she didn’t
expect would be there.

523
00:37:53,880 –> 00:37:55,600
Can you imagine the joy of that
moment?

524
00:37:57,840 –> 00:38:02,840
All right, then.
Back into Chapter 7, verse four.

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00:38:03,680 –> 00:38:10,080
The heart of the wise is in the
House of mourning, not in the

526
00:38:10,080 –> 00:38:15,680
House of delight, of partying,
of noise, of festivity.

527
00:38:15,680 –> 00:38:21,380
The heart of the wise.
Is in the House of mourning Does

528
00:38:21,460 –> 00:38:24,020
Does that mean that we’re death
obsessed?

529
00:38:24,100 –> 00:38:29,820
No.
But it means that when we are at

530
00:38:29,820 –> 00:38:36,980
a funeral, we’re in a time of
deep reflection, looking within

531
00:38:36,980 –> 00:38:42,740
and thinking through where we
are, taking stock of where our

532
00:38:42,740 –> 00:38:46,660
heart is located, what our mind
is focused on.

533
00:38:47,900 –> 00:38:52,060
Where we need to be now, you
might look at it that way and

534
00:38:52,060 –> 00:38:55,500
say, OK, this is talking about
other people’s funerals, yes,

535
00:38:57,260 –> 00:39:02,500
but think about the House of
Mourning being the memorial

536
00:39:02,500 –> 00:39:08,100
meeting you and I are in every
every week where we reflect on

537
00:39:08,100 –> 00:39:15,460
the man who gave his life for
us, we think about the love.

538
00:39:17,790 –> 00:39:29,310
The obedience, the suffering,
the compassion, the empathy, the

539
00:39:29,310 –> 00:39:37,910
deep rapport between a man who
had nothing but his faith and

540
00:39:37,910 –> 00:39:44,270
his belief in God and his love
for him and his love for people

541
00:39:44,270 –> 00:39:47,430
he had not even ever met during
his lifetime.

542
00:39:49,510 –> 00:39:55,550
We think and we we in that House
of mourning, remember His

543
00:39:55,550 –> 00:40:02,190
example that He set for us.
And then we have the uplift of

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00:40:02,190 –> 00:40:06,990
remembering in that House of
mourning, that it was the

545
00:40:06,990 –> 00:40:11,110
pathway that led to eternal life
for Him.

546
00:40:13,750 –> 00:40:18,150
So his suffering had meaning.
What he went through, what he

547
00:40:18,150 –> 00:40:23,510
endured, had purpose in it.
And it’s the same for you.

548
00:40:23,510 –> 00:40:31,670
What we go through, what we
suffer, is not meaningless stuff

549
00:40:31,670 –> 00:40:35,590
that happens to us by chance,
randomly.

550
00:40:37,230 –> 00:40:41,870
God is at work.
Verse 14 of chapter seven, he

551
00:40:41,870 –> 00:40:44,230
says.
In the day of prosperity.

552
00:40:44,230 –> 00:40:48,070
Be joyful.
But in the day of adversity,

553
00:40:48,790 –> 00:40:57,870
consider God hath even made the
one side by side with the other

554
00:40:58,790 –> 00:41:02,670
to the end.
That man should not find out

555
00:41:02,750 –> 00:41:05,230
anything that shall be after
him.

556
00:41:05,590 –> 00:41:11,150
What does that mean?
God has deliberately put happy

557
00:41:11,150 –> 00:41:18,040
days and sad days into our life.
So that we have no choice but to

558
00:41:18,040 –> 00:41:22,320
reach out to him in hope so that
we can’t predict.

559
00:41:22,320 –> 00:41:25,040
We don’t always know how things
are going to go.

560
00:41:25,440 –> 00:41:32,160
That’s in his hands.
Our responsibility is to trust

561
00:41:32,160 –> 00:41:34,960
in him.
And when things are going well,

562
00:41:35,480 –> 00:41:37,840
that’s the last time we’re
reaching out to the Almighty

563
00:41:38,680 –> 00:41:43,440
because things are going well.
But our aches, our pains, our

564
00:41:43,440 –> 00:41:47,320
troubles, our heart breaks.
They drive us to God.

565
00:41:49,160 –> 00:41:55,480
They drive us to cry out to Him,
to get close to Him, to draw him

566
00:41:55,480 –> 00:41:59,880
close to us.
That that’s what this is saying

567
00:42:00,680 –> 00:42:05,800
in those good days.
Rejoice, but no, that God has

568
00:42:05,800 –> 00:42:10,690
spliced into our lives.
Those darker threads that come

569
00:42:10,690 –> 00:42:20,570
up and out into the tapestry?
Tragedy, trauma, loss, grief,

570
00:42:21,290 –> 00:42:25,450
betrayal, disappointment,
heartache.

571
00:42:26,970 –> 00:42:32,010
He’s allowed, and sometimes put
those things there to drive us

572
00:42:32,010 –> 00:42:37,090
to him and to keep him in our
minds and in our hearts.

573
00:42:38,950 –> 00:42:43,070
He goes on, and we read in verse
19.

574
00:42:43,950 –> 00:42:49,670
Wisdom strengthens the wise more
than 10 mighty men which are in

575
00:42:49,670 –> 00:42:53,070
the city.
For there’s not a just man upon

576
00:42:53,070 –> 00:42:58,990
earth that doeth good and sins.
Not so for people that believe

577
00:42:59,190 –> 00:43:03,470
outside that it is possible to
live a life without sin.

578
00:43:04,670 –> 00:43:05,990
Well, God doesn’t agree with
you.

579
00:43:07,800 –> 00:43:11,840
Because God inspired Solomon to
write this in the same way as

580
00:43:11,840 –> 00:43:15,960
God inspired the Lord to say
there is none good, not one.

581
00:43:16,200 –> 00:43:17,720
Why?
Why are you calling me good?

582
00:43:19,520 –> 00:43:21,320
And he was the Lord Jesus
Christ.

583
00:43:22,320 –> 00:43:28,080
So sin, sin is part and parcel
of our life and the experience

584
00:43:28,160 –> 00:43:30,520
of it.
Verse 23.

585
00:43:30,760 –> 00:43:32,520
All this have I proved by
wisdom.

586
00:43:32,520 –> 00:43:36,320
I said I will be wise.
It was far from me.

587
00:43:37,690 –> 00:43:41,010
It was far that which is far off
and exceeding deep.

588
00:43:41,290 –> 00:43:45,290
Who can find it out?
I cannot figure God out.

589
00:43:45,610 –> 00:43:48,530
I’ve tried and I’ve tried.
I can’t figure him out.

590
00:43:49,570 –> 00:43:53,370
That’s deliberate.
God does not want to be figured

591
00:43:53,370 –> 00:43:57,250
out by you.
God wants you to trust Him and

592
00:43:58,690 –> 00:44:06,170
believe in him and have
confidence in Him, it says.

593
00:44:06,410 –> 00:44:09,970
Verse 27.
Look, this is something I found

594
00:44:13,850 –> 00:44:17,090
counting things up 1 by 1 to
figure things out and how they

595
00:44:17,090 –> 00:44:22,890
work, he says.
I’ve looked all around.

596
00:44:23,810 –> 00:44:33,410
I have not found one wise man
among 1000 and then sisters.

597
00:44:33,410 –> 00:44:39,360
Fasten your seatbelts OK?
Please do not elbow the poor man

598
00:44:39,360 –> 00:44:43,000
beside you.
That sharp elbow of yours.

599
00:44:44,000 –> 00:44:46,400
But a woman among all those have
I not found.

600
00:44:46,400 –> 00:44:51,400
Now stop, stop, stop, stop.
I know Sister Tony is ready to

601
00:44:51,400 –> 00:44:54,400
throw her hymn book right up to
the front right now.

602
00:44:56,840 –> 00:45:01,480
What he’s saying is this.
Wise people are exceedingly

603
00:45:01,480 –> 00:45:03,400
difficult.
I’ve found so few of them.

604
00:45:04,440 –> 00:45:07,120
Did he not believe that there
were women who were wise?

605
00:45:07,480 –> 00:45:12,120
Well, he wrote Proverbs 31 all
about the virtuous woman.

606
00:45:14,360 –> 00:45:17,520
It could be that the kind of
women he surrounded himself with

607
00:45:18,600 –> 00:45:29,280
700 wives, 300 concubines.
That’s girls you play around

608
00:45:29,280 –> 00:45:33,950
with and don’t have a close
relationship with. 1000 He

609
00:45:33,950 –> 00:45:37,910
collected them like stamps and
just like stamps.

610
00:45:37,950 –> 00:45:39,990
Oh, that’s a good one there.
Yeah.

611
00:45:40,030 –> 00:45:44,390
Let’s look at the next page.
No relationship.

612
00:45:44,510 –> 00:45:47,070
This was an altogether lonely
man.

613
00:45:49,070 –> 00:45:53,590
He found very few wise people.
And of the women he accumulated,

614
00:45:53,590 –> 00:45:56,150
well, wisdom was not an
attribute he was looking for.

615
00:45:56,910 –> 00:46:01,430
No wonder he couldn’t find one.
But he knew that they were out

616
00:46:01,430 –> 00:46:04,200
there.
Throughout Scripture, we have

617
00:46:04,200 –> 00:46:11,600
wonderful, wise women, starting
with Eve and all the way through

618
00:46:11,600 –> 00:46:16,080
to our sisters here in this
room, right beside you, brother,

619
00:46:17,200 –> 00:46:22,600
right beside you.
Now, some stupid Christadelphian

620
00:46:22,600 –> 00:46:27,720
interpreters have taken that to
mean that men are naturally more

621
00:46:27,720 –> 00:46:32,330
wise than women and wisdom.
Wisdom is lacking in sisters.

622
00:46:34,290 –> 00:46:37,930
That is an altogether idiotic
man who wrote that.

623
00:46:38,970 –> 00:46:42,050
I will not dignify that with
anything other than that he’s

624
00:46:42,530 –> 00:46:49,050
he’s just a fool and it betrays
A mindset towards women that

625
00:46:49,050 –> 00:46:52,370
will then play itself out.
And how he treats his wife, his

626
00:46:52,370 –> 00:46:56,170
daughters, his mother, his
sisters and the women in the

627
00:46:56,170 –> 00:47:00,270
ecclesia.
We could not make it without our

628
00:47:00,270 –> 00:47:03,910
sisters.
Sisters are like nurses in the

629
00:47:03,910 –> 00:47:07,950
healthcare system.
It isn’t the fancy surgeons and

630
00:47:07,950 –> 00:47:11,350
their big fat Eagles who hold
the healthcare system together.

631
00:47:12,150 –> 00:47:16,110
It is the nurses.
And it’s the same with our

632
00:47:16,110 –> 00:47:21,830
sisters and our ecclesias and in
our families and in our lives.

633
00:47:23,030 –> 00:47:26,270
And so whatever, he may have
written in that moment of pique.

634
00:47:27,280 –> 00:47:30,440
Remember, he wrote it as a
flawed individual, and God lets

635
00:47:30,440 –> 00:47:34,560
it stay right in the text.
It’s right there for us to see.

636
00:47:36,200 –> 00:47:39,440
We are surrounded by wise women
and men.

637
00:47:40,560 –> 00:47:44,400
We need to be grateful for them.
We need to honor them.

638
00:47:45,960 –> 00:47:50,240
We need to seek their counsel,
their advice, their feedback,

639
00:47:50,800 –> 00:47:53,520
their input.
Yes, the buck stops with us.

640
00:47:53,880 –> 00:47:56,960
We cannot throw that yolk off
our necks.

641
00:47:58,480 –> 00:48:03,240
But we need to treat our sisters
as partners in our ecclesias.

642
00:48:04,840 –> 00:48:08,400
They have much to offer, much
wisdom to share.

643
00:48:09,760 –> 00:48:12,360
Solomon didn’t have any like
that around him.

644
00:48:13,560 –> 00:48:16,280
Every ecclesia is filled with
women like that.

645
00:48:29,880 –> 00:48:32,160
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00:48:32,160 –> 00:48:35,000
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