Class 2 from this series was used in GCT Episode 385.
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Good afternoon everyone.
We don’t waste any time getting
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started here at all.
That’s sort of nice to see.
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Good on you mate.
As they say over there, we just
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had a great time with some of
the folks in your old local area
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here up at the VIBC over the
last week or so and that was a
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lot of fun getting to know some
of you.
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So now at least when we come up
here, we can look across the
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audience and at least see some
familiar faces.
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That’s always fun.
Actually, up at VIBC, they
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picked the subject of the
angels, which is one of my
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favorite subjects to talk on.
And then here you picked the
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subject of God’s plan of
redemption, which is my other
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favorite subject to talk about.
So up here, you guys must know
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what I’m thinking.
These are great subjects and
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really they’re fun to talk about
because I’ve actually found
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going back over my life and
looking at different studies
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I’ve done in the Bible, that if
I were to rank all the different
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Bible studies we’ve done over
the years in terms of which ones
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had the greatest impact in
changing my life, then certainly
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God’s redemptive plan would be
on the top of the list.
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And the angels would be second
next to that.
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Those are two studies that I
found personally that had a
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greater impact in my life than
any other Bible subject I’ve
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looked at.
And hopefully today we’ll get a
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chance to share, share some of
that with you and finish that
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off tomorrow in the Sunday
school class and then finally in
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the excitation tomorrow.
But I can still remember one
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time where we had a, a Bible, We
had a Bible series at the
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Hanover Bible School one year
and we had Brother Mansfield
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there and Brother Tennant and I
think Brother Victoria Stone was
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there from California.
And all three of them spoke in
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the evening program on the
atonement, atonement.
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We were going to have a
presentation.
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And Brother Harry Tennant was
the last to go on the Wednesday
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night.
And it was interesting, he got
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up and he talked about the
atonement.
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And I can still remember the
very first thing he said after
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two good talks on the atonement.
He told us, he said, you know,
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brothers and sisters, he said
any, any talk on the atonement
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that doesn’t begin and end with
the love of God has missed a
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huge part of the atonement.
And we had really missed that
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for two nights.
And it was a very interesting
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observation.
And I’ve remembered that all
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these years that it’s very easy
to leave the love of God out of
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this subject.
And in our community today,
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sometimes when you hear about
the atonement or God’s
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redemptive plan, some of us sort
of cringe and think, oh, no,
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this is going to be trouble in
the community and we’re going to
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hear something that’s
controversial and all that.
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And, and really the subject was
never supposed to be that way.
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This is supposed to be the most
motivating subject of anything
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God could talk to us about that
is supposed to change our life.
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This is supposed to be the most
powerful thing we look at in our
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first principles.
This is the first principle
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really of that all the others
hang on is God’s reductive plan.
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And he designed it in such a way
that this would motivate us to
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join his son in living a life
that would be so pleasing to God
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that he can invite us into his
family forever.
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That’s what this subject is
supposed to do.
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So hopefully we’ll look at that
in the first class about the
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love of God and what he has
designed for us.
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And when you go back, a lot of
this is basic first principles
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that we’ve grown up with.
But it never hurts to be
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reminded about some of the
things that we as
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Christadelphians hold and
understand that not everybody on
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in, in terms of Christian
churches really do understand
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today.
When you go back and look at the
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mistake that Adam and Eve made
when they sin, really God didn’t
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have to do what he did with
them.
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He didn’t have to go through the
plan that that he had designed.
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There are other things he could
have done.
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He could have killed Adam and
Eve and started over.
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When you go back and look at it,
he really had a number of
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choices that he could have done,
but he didn’t.
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That isn’t what he chose to do.
And really, when you look at it
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from God’s perspective, this was
his creation, His creatures, and
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He loved them.
He never really wanted to wipe
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them out and start over.
He loved his creatures and he’s
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always wanted to save some of
this creation.
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And it’s not because it just
brings him glory, which
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sometimes we emphasize as
Christadelphians that God
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manifestation, not human
salvation, is the grand purpose
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of the eternal Spirit, which
which is true.
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But really, what when you, when
you’re reading through your
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scriptures, you’ll notice that
what comes across so clearly in
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our Bibles is the love that God
has for us and how he designed
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our families with moms and dads
as as a husband and a wife.
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That you could learn and
experience the love that he has
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for us.
And that you could have children
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and experience through your
children and your grandchildren,
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the love and the compassion and
the kindness and the mercy that
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God has for us all.
That was by design because he
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wanted us to experience that
first hand.
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So when you look at his
redemptive plan, he set out to
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say Adam and Eve after their
mistakes.
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And he didn’t really have to do
that, but his plan had to be
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holy.
It had to uphold his
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righteousness.
He’s a just God and it had to
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take take that into account and
it had to uphold his
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righteousness and at the same
time express his love for his
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children.
And so he came up with a plan
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that would really do both.
You find some common Bible
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passages that you’ll know and
you can probably a lot of you
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can rattle them off the top of
your head in first John four and
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verse 7, you can see how right
away this is given as motivation
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for us, that beloved, let us
love one another.
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And why do we love one another
and our families and our
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cliches?
What is the reason?
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Well, the reason is or love is
of God.
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It all starts from God and works
its way down to us.
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That’s the difference between
our understanding of the Bible
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and a humanistic approach.
Humanism would start for like
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what’s good for humans and work
the way up to try to understand
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God.
We don’t.
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We start from the top and
realize it’s all about God.
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He loved us and therefore we
love one another.
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And everyone who loves is born
of God and knows God.
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This was a key central theme for
being part of his family.
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You want to be born into His
family.
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You have to understand His love
and then learn to show that love
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to other people who does not
love, does not know God, for God
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is love.
And in this the love of God was
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manifested toward us, that God
sent His only begotten Son into
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the world, that we might live
through Him.
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And then this is love.
Not that we love God.
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Oh no, it’s not about us from
the bottom up.
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It’s all about the fact that He
loved us and He sent His Son to
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be the propitiation for our
sins.
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And beloved, if God so loved us,
we ought to love one another.
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Now that, in a nutshell, is
really what God is all about.
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He has revealed His character
out of His love, His kindness,
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His compassion to us.
And He’s hoping that when He
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shows us how He lives, that we
in turn will, will show His
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character to one another and how
we treat each other.
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And so when you start looking
around is to, well, how do you
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raise your children?
How do you treat your spouse?
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How do you treat brothers and
sisters in a collegial life?
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All we got to do is look into
our Bibles and find out, well,
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how does God treat us?
How does he treat other
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characters, other Bible
characters?
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And then our goal is to model
our life after him.
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That’s what we should do.
The amazing part about our God,
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brothers and sisters, is that He
loved us when we weren’t worth
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loving.
It’s one thing to love somebody
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who loves us back or already
loved us in the 1st place.
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And you, if you find like as a
young person over there, you
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find some other young person who
you find out really loves you
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and they’re willing to do things
for you.
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And you think, wow, that’s
really nice to me.
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And then we learn to love them.
Imagine learning to love people
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who don’t love you.
People who by the Bible calls
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ungodly, they’re sinners,
they’re unjust.
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Well, that’s what God did you
find in Romans 5 after giving
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his exposition on the atonement
and showing how nobody was
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really worth saving.
All had sinned and fallen short
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of the glory of God.
That what God did at that point
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when we were still without
strength in Romans 5 at verse 6,
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in due time Christ died for the
ungodly.
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That’s us, or scarcely.
Well, for a righteous man, will
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one die?
Oh yeah.
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Maybe for somebody who’s really
just or righteous, or somebody
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who we think is good, we might
do that for somebody who’s
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really good.
Now for a righteous man, and yet
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perhaps for a good man, if
there’s somebody who is really
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good, you, you might even dare
to die.
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You might like take a deep
breath and I’ll do it for them
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and I’ll dare to die.
But God, that’s not what he did.
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He demonstrates his own love
towards us and that while we
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were still sinners, Christ died
for us and God didn’t do it as a
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dare.
God calculated this for 6000
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years.
I mean, I imagine Abraham
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walking up to Mount Moriah with
his son Isaac, and he’s got to
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sit there for three days and in
his mind he’s got to go through
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what it’s going to be like to
kill his son.
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God calculated for 6000 years
what he was going to put his son
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through to save us.
That’s the love that God has for
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us and the cooperation that
Jesus Christ has.
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That’s the model that when you
start looking at God’s
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redemptive plan and when you
start to appreciate the
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atonement, it all comes from
this perspective that God didn’t
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have to do this.
He loves us like our parents
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loved us.
He genuinely loves us and wants
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what’s best for us, and He’s
willing to take the time to
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train us to become part of His
family when we don’t deserve it.
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We can never possibly earn it.
It’s out of His kindness, His
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compassion, and His love.
And if we understand that,
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brothers and sisters, and really
come to realize that that it
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inevitably affects the way you
treat each other because we
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realize none of us deserve it.
And when other people make
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mistakes, we start realizing,
well, wait a minute, so do I.
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And yet look at God was still
willing and His kindness to work
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with me through all of my
mistakes.
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And this is what’s supposed to
pass on to how we treat one
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another and how we learn to live
in peace.
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This is the model that God sent
his Son to die for the ungodly.
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It’s fun to watch how the
Apostle Paul really is probably
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one of our best expositors on
the atonement subject.
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When you start going through the
New Testament without Pauls
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letters, I think I would be in
the dark on a lot of things.
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But what a wonderful thing that
God let him write so much on
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this subject.
And it’s fun to watch that when
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he went to 1st, when he went to
the Corinthians, when he was
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going up through that area of
Greece and he came down through
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Corinth and he and he got down
to Corinth at that point and he
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writes to the Corinthians later
on.
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He says, look at that.
Then this letter was written
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probably not too long after he
had been there.
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But he reminds them in First
Corinthians chapter 2, he
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reminded them, brethren, that
when I came to you and what he
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had done is he’d been in Athens.
He’d actually been up in Bria
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and Thessalonia before that.
And remember, he took the boat
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ride down to Athens and he said,
when I came to you, I didn’t
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come with excellence of speech
or wisdom declaring to you the
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testimony of God.
Oh no, I didn’t come in like
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some great order and giving you
some awesome human wisdom and
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talking to you about God.
Oh, no, I determined not to know
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anything among you except Jesus
Christ in him crucified.
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Paul had had it with all that
human wisdom stuff.
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And if you recall, like back
what Paul was doing, he had been
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up in the area where he had been
up here in Thessalonica, and
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he’d been up up there, and then
he’d go down to Bria.
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Remember how the Jews chased him
out of Thessalonica and they
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took the ransom from Jason and
you know, they were just
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following him along up there,
causing him all kinds of
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trouble.
So then he hops on a boat and he
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figures, all right, he’s going
to get away from them.
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He jumps on the boat over here
at Bria, and he comes all the
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way down and he stops in here at
Athens.
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Remember when he’s in Athens,
that’s when he ran into the
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Epicurean and the Stoic
philosophers, all their human
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reasoning.
And Oh yeah, Paul, what good new
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thing have you got to tell us
about?
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And he’s dealing with all these
people.
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They just want to talk about
philosophy and human wisdom and,
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and all this kind of stuff.
And so Paul leaves Athens and
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comes over to Corinth and he
said, I’ve had it with that kind
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of stuff.
That isn’t what the gospel is
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all about.
The gospel is all about God,
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Jesus Christ and him crucified.
This is what changes your life.
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And you could see that that’s
what was in Paul’s mind when he
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got there.
So he realized that the
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atonement really is the first
principle.
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This is what it’s all based on.
It affects all the rest.
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Everything else comes back to
this subject of God’s redemptive
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plan.
And yes, we do need to have an
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academic knowledge about it.
Brothers and sisters, it is
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it’s, it’s important to get out
our Bibles to study the subject,
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come to an understanding of, of
what God has done.
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But the atonement is not just an
academic study, but that’s all
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we’ve done, and we got all the
Bible passages lined up and we
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can give a good talk on it, and
it’s all this academic
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knowledge.
We’ve missed the point of the
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atonement.
It was supposed to have a moral
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impact in our lives.
That’s why Paul would say when
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he got to the Corinthians, he
didn’t want to know anything but
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Jesus Christ and him crucified,
because that’s what changes your
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life.
This is not just academics.
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This is moral.
This effects how you live.
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It effects how you treat your
spouse, your kids, your parents.
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It affects how you treat your
brothers and sisters, your
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friends and your neighbors in
your neighborhood, the people at
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your work.
This effects all the parts of
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your life and how you live.
The the atonement.
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That’s what it was supposed to
do, God’s redemptive plan.
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And when we understand it and
appreciate it, that’s what it
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will do to your life.
Just to give you an example of
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how that comes across in our New
Testament writers.
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And I love the New Testament
because when we study the
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atonement in the Old Testament,
there’s always that fear that I
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have at least.
And I’ve seen with others that
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when you’re reading things in
the Old Testament, you’re never
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really sure for sure when you’re
looking at the shadows of the
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law.
Did we really get what God had
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intended, or did we
misunderstand the shadow?
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But when you read New Testament
exposition, when you go to our
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writers like James or Peter or
Paul, and they tell us what it
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meant, then it’s not a debate
anymore.
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It’s not like, well, I think
it’s this and I think it’s that.
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We don’t get that.
And it’s safest to stay in our
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New Testament expositors and
then work our way back to the
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Old Testament and have a look at
where it came from.
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It’s just, it’s a safer way to
study the subject.
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And what a privilege we have of
having these New Testament
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expositions so that you can read
them today and then look back.
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So Peter, when he’s talking to
the his Jews of, of the
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suffering that they’re going to
go through, how they’re going to
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be challenged, how they’re going
to be put in situations where
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people are going to revile you.
They’re going to say things
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about you that are nasty and not
true.
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And how are you going to
respond?
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What are you going to do when
that happens?
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What are you going to do when
your neighbors treat you like
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that?
Peter goes right back to Jesus
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Christ and him crucified just
like Paul and he says for to
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this you were called in first
Peter 2 at verse 21, because
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Christ also suffered for us,
leaving us an example that you
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should follow in his steps.
Who committed no sin, never made
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a mistake, right, committed no
sin, nor was deceit found in his
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mouth.
Who when he was reviled, Oh
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yeah, on the cross and all
through his life when people
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reviled him and they picked on
him when he was reviled, He
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didn’t revile in return.
No, never, not once.
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And when he suffered, he didn’t
threaten.
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He didn’t come back and say, oh,
I’m going to get you and there’s
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no vengeance.
I’m going to take vengeance on
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you and I’m going to get you for
that.
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And he didn’t do those kind of
things, but he committed himself
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to him who judges righteously.
He put it in God’s hands.
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He believed completely that God
was in control of his life and
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all the circumstances of his
life.
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This is where you get the peace
of God that passes all
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understanding.
And Peter goes on and says in
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verse 24, who himself bore our
sins and his body on the tree,
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that this is the moral impact of
the atonement.
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Why did He do it?
He did it for us.
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Not that you can just be
forgiven of your sins, but that
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it will change the way you live.
That we, having died to sins,
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there’s Romans 6 might live for
righteousness.
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We have a new life.
We come out of the waters and we
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live after the pattern of Jesus
Christ resurrected from the
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dead.
By his stripes you were healed.
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That’s what this was all about.
He went through all of that to
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change the way we live so that
God can righteously forgive our
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sins.
So the the moral impact of the
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atonement, when you start
looking at it, is all about
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changing our life.
It’s not some academic study
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that Christadelphian studies so
that we can have all the right
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answers and we can do all these
things.
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It’s supposed to change how we
live and treat people.
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And it’s very sad in our
community that over the years
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sometimes this has become a real
disruptive subject.
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And people have argued about it
and they’ve written articles and
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letters and ecclesias at times
have divided over this subject
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when it was designed to change
how we live and how we treat
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other people.
That’s what it was supposed to
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do.
And you can see how our New
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Testament writers used it, you
see in Second Corinthians
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chapter 5 and Paul’s second
letter to them when he talks
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about the love of Christ
compelling us that this is not
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academics, this is meaningful,
this is life changing, that the
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love of Christ compels us
because we judge thus that if
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one died for all, then all died.
He didn’t die as our substitute.
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And and we’ve got that right,
brothers and sisters, and we’re
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right to to argue that case and
fight that with the churches of
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this world.
Oh no, that if one died, he died
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as an example that all of us
would follow in his steps.
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If one died, then all died.
We have all died to sin.
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We’re going to put it behind us.
We’re no longer slaves of sin,
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but we become slaves of God and
he died for all in verse 15 that
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those who live see, see how they
take this subject and they
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immediately go from just an
academic understanding to where
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this is meaningful to how you
live.
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They died for us so that those
who live should no longer live
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for themselves.
You can’t live for yourself
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anymore.
You, you’ve died.
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The old man is dead.
He’s buried in baptism.
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We walked out thankful to God
that we now can live a different
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life, no longer enslaved to sin.
So they no longer live for
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themselves, but for him who died
and rose again.
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We live for Christ.
We’re not slaves of Christ.
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We’re no longer slaves of sin.
So this subject, what it’s
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supposed to do is change how we
treat our spouse, change how we
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treat our children, change how
we treat our parents, how we
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treat our brethren and sisters
in a collegial life and their
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families and their children and
our neighbors at home and our
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employers and everybody the the
governing authorities.
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It’s, it’s all about how you
change your perspective based on
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what God has done for us.
And he’s hoping that it will
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change the way we live.
You see, this is not just a New
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Testament subject.
It really starts way back in the
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old, not just with Adam and Eve,
but it comes up through the
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prophets as well.
You can see, for example, when
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he was talking when in Isaiah
43, when when God was trying to
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compel the Jews and help them
understand that there was no
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other God.
There wasn’t some God of good
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and some God of evil.
There wasn’t some God who brings
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good things to your life so that
when something good happens to
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your life, you get a job
promotion.
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Or some of you young people, you
finally decide that the girl
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you’ve been waiting for, she
finally says yes.
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And you get to get married.
Or somebody who’s looking for a
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job and you’re out there
searching in an area.
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You just moved here to this area
and looking for a job and all of
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a sudden an employer calls you
and offers you a job and you
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think, yes, God help me on that
one.
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But it’s not just for the good,
it’s also in the bad.
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God’s in them both.
As Solomon said in Ecclesiastes
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9, don’t just say good things
about God when good things
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happen, but remember he’s there
in the good and he’s there in
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the bad because he’s in control
of it all and he’s using those
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things.
So in Isaiah 43, this is what
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God was dealing with with the
Jews, is that this whole idea of
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a God of good, the God of evil
had come into their community at
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that time back in the history.
And he says to them, You are my
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witnesses, says the Lord.
And my servant whom I have
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chosen, that you may know and
believe me and understand that I
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am he.
And before me there was no God
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formed, nor shall there be after
me.
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I even I am the Lord.
And beside me there is no
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Savior.
There is no other God, there’s
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no Savior, there’s nothing.
I have declared and saved, I
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have proclaimed.
And there was no foreign God
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among you.
Therefore, you are my witnesses,
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says the Lord, that I am God.
And you know, this is an
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interesting case because the
these Jews at this point, they
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failed a lot of times in the
Isaiah’s day and afterward in
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the moment Hezekiah rallied the
troops and he got them to
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support Yahweh, their God.
But then in years that came
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after that, there were some
disasters and yet God still used
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them as His witnesses.
They were the witnesses that He
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had picked this community.
He had chosen Abraham and worked
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with him over all those years.
And even though they failed, and
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even though they made mistake
after mistake, and then king
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after king would arise who was
terrible and leading the
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community astray, God still was
willing to work with the remnant
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of this community because He had
promised Abraham.
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He loved Abraham and He loved
his children and He promised
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that He would work with that
remnant and He would help them
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understand and bring them into
His family.
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So any study that we do,
brothers and sisters of the
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atonement really does need to
start and end with the love of
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God that that is.
It’s sort of like the whole
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framework is all built around
God initiated it.
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He loved us and that’s what
started it all.
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You’ll find again in first
Corinthians in chapter 1 this
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time that I think it’s fun to
look at the concept when Paul
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would would illustrate this idea
and say, I, I was going to know
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nothing among you but Jesus
Christ and him crucified.
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He illustrated to the Chris to
the the Corinthians in chapter 1
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when he pointed out to them
about an ecclesial life, why you
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shouldn’t have factions, because
remember, this was an ecclesia
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that was split up.
You know, I love Paul, I’m of
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Apollo, so I follow Cephas over
here and and they they were
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splitting up into little
segmented groups.
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And so Paul would remind them
that the way you overcome, that
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the way you get rid of these
factions and this kind of
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00:22:30,960 –> 00:22:34,480
self-interest is to remember the
atonement.
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Go back and look at your roots.
What did God do for you?
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00:22:38,520 –> 00:22:43,760
And he reminds them in verse 27
that God has chosen the foolish
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things of the world to shame the
wise, that God has chosen the
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weak things of the world to
shame the things which are
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mighty and the base things of
the world and the things which
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are despised.
God has chosen and the things
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which are not to bring to
nothing the things that are.
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And why does he do that?
Why does he pick the lowest
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things of this world?
Why does he pick us?
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We’re not the best academic
people out there in this world.
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We’re not the greatest usually
at anything.
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We’re not the richest.
We’re not the wisest.
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We’re not the smartest.
We’re not the best Craftsman.
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We’re not the best of anything.
There’s all kinds of better
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people in this world today who
are better than us at all those
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things.
So why does he pick us?
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Well, because by his election he
chose the low things of the
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world that no flesh should glory
in his presence.
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And if that’s the case, we don’t
ever want to get on our high
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horse and ex leisure life or in
our families and put ourselves
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up there higher than we really
should be.
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Because God works with the low
and the weak and the base, the
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ungodly, the sinners, those are
the people he works with to
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bring into his family.
Not the wise, not the mighty,
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not the great.
Oh no, they’ve got their own
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game plan.
But God can use the low and the
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base and the weak because they
will give him the glory.
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And that’s what he’s looking
for.
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He wants people that love Him
and who respond to his plan.
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That’s what the atonement is
really all about, That there’s
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no, no possibility of any human
ever boasting that look at what
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I did in my family or my
ecclesia, or look what I
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accomplished.
It’s not about me, it’s all
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about God.
And so in Second Corinthians
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chapter 5, when Paul again is
reflecting back on this and
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writing to them, he reminds them
about the one who has prepared
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us for eternity.
This is all by design what God
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is doing.
He has a family.
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He’s getting ready and he’s
getting ready to join his family
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forever.
That’s what he’s doing.
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And so he who has prepared us
for this very thing Paul says is
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God who has given us the Spirit
as a guarantee.
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And in verse 18, now all things
are of God who has reconciled us
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to himself through Jesus Christ
and has given us the ministry of
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reconciliation.
That is, that God was in Christ
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reconciling the world to Himself
and not imputing their
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trespasses to them, and has
committed to us the word of
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reconciliation which the apostle
Paul was committed to take
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around the Roman world and to
preach to all those Gentiles.
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But you see how he understood
probably more than any of us,
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that it was all about what God
had done in his life.
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And I think Paul probably got it
so well because in his own
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efforts, he had studied at the
feet of Gamaliel.
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He had done what he thought was
right, and he was researching
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the Bible.
He searched the Scriptures, like
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Jesus said, because in them you
think you have eternal life.
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And Paul went through that whole
process of thinking he was going
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to look good in God’s eyes.
I’m going to build myself into
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somebody that God will look at
and say, wow, you’re really
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wonderful.
I want to save you.
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And Paul went through this
process, and if Christ hadn’t
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stopped them on the road to
Damascus, he’d be dead with no
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hope of resurrection.
That’s where he was headed.
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And he realized that for all his
human efforts, they were a
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waste.
They hadn’t gotten them anywhere
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because he had failed to realize
that it was really all about
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what God was doing and that none
of us would ever be good in
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God’s eyes, but only
righteousness could be imputed
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to us from our heavenly Father
who loves us.
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And he came to understand that
probably better than any of our
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New Testament writers because of
the low position he had come
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from in his own efforts.
And he realized what God had
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done in his life.
I, I look back at Paul, he’s
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amazed at the things that Christ
had taught him.
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And he did he, he specifically
taught him when he was out in
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Arabia.
Jesus Christ taught him the
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truth and he’s that’s why it’s
such an awesome exposition when
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you look at Paul’s letters.
Now, when you go back and look
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at where we’ve all come from
there and sisters, and you go
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back to study this subject and
looking at it’s always good to
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00:26:55,440 –> 00:26:57,320
note like, where did it all
start?
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And so we do, we start back in
Genesis and look at what God did
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in the beginning when Genesis,
in Genesis chapter 1, when God
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did the creation, when he made
our world, he saw everything.
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At the end of chapter chapter
one at verse 31, he looked over
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00:27:11,880 –> 00:27:15,080
everything that he had made and
indeed it was very good.
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And so the evening and the
morning were the 6th day.
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So the the whole creation, all
the things that he had created
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at that point were very good.
But then we know that what
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happens is Adam and Eve’s sin.
Things take place.
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And now you look at this
creation and you find in Genesis
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chapter 6, after thousands of
years have gone by, this case
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you have Noah in the flood.
And now we’re looking at in
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Genesis 6, verse five, that this
time the Lord saw that the
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wickedness of man was great in
the earth and that every intent
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of the thoughts of his heart was
only evil continually.
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Something’s changed.
This isn’t what God saw when he
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first looked and saw that it was
all good.
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Now he looks across the world at
all the thousands of people,
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millions maybe that were alive
at the time of the flood.
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And he realizes that now he sees
a lot of wickedness, evil, it’s
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00:28:09,760 –> 00:28:13,680
not so good anymore.
And that the, the imagination of
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their their thoughts of his
heart, the intent of the
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thoughts of the heart of man is
only evil continually.
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That’s different than it was
before.
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When Solomon talks about that in
Ecclesiastes 7 at verse 29, he
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mentions the fact that truly
this only have I found that God
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made man upright.
His brother Harry Tennett drew
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00:28:33,680 –> 00:28:34,960
him on time with his stick
drawings.
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00:28:34,960 –> 00:28:37,720
He said this is the way God made
Adam and Eve originally.
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And then what happened is they
became like that, but as Solomon
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00:28:41,560 –> 00:28:44,240
says here, that God made man
upright.
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But they have sought out many
schemes and something changed
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from Genesis 1 until Genesis
chapter 6.
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And that’s what we want to look
at for a moment.
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So in Genesis chapter 3, when
the serpent came to the woman,
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he said to the woman things that
we know we’ve looked at before,
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that you will not surely die.
So he says a lie.
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He was the originator of the
lies.
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For God knows it in the day that
you eat of it, your eyes will be
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open and you will be like God
knowing good and evil.
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And it was to him was like,
you’ll be like the angels.
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The angels know good and evil.
You’ll be like them.
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You’ll be like the Elohim that
were walking around in the
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garden at the time.
And so when the woman saw that
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the tree was good for food and
was pleasant to the eyes, and
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the tree desirable to make one
wise, she took of its fruit and
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ate, and she gave to her husband
with her, and he ate also.
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And then the eyes of both of
them were open.
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So Serpent was right about that.
Their eyes would be open.
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They had eaten of the tree of
the knowledge of Good and Evil,
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and they knew that they were
naked, and they sewed fig leaves
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together and made themselves
coverings.
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Now we all know back in this
case that we don’t know how long
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Adam and Eve lived, how long
they survived before they
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sinned, but it took at this
point in their life, an outside
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tempter to make the suggestion.
There’s something about the way
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00:29:56,640 –> 00:29:59,640
they were created when God
looked across and saw that all
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00:29:59,640 –> 00:30:03,520
was good, that Adam and Eve
didn’t have those natural
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00:30:03,520 –> 00:30:08,000
tendencies to the extent that we
do of wanting to choose evil.
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They were more a case.
It was, you know, a day could go
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00:30:10,880 –> 00:30:12,320
by.
Maybe they want a whole day with
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no sin.
Maybe they went a week with no
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00:30:14,800 –> 00:30:16,760
sin.
Maybe they want a month or a
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00:30:16,760 –> 00:30:18,600
year.
We really don’t know exactly how
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00:30:18,600 –> 00:30:22,920
long that was, but it took an
outside tempter to bring about
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the idea and suggest that they
would give in and and commit
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sin.
And so the apostle Paul looks
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back at this.
So here we go again with New
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Testament commentary on Old
Testament stories.
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It’s always good to look at what
he says in Second Corinthians
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Chapter 11 and verse three.
He points out to the Corinthians
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that I fear lest somehow as the
serpent deceived Eve by his
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00:30:45,480 –> 00:30:49,720
craftiness, so your minds may be
corrupted from the simplicity
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that is in Christ.
So here’s a case now where Paul
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is worried that what Eve went
through, Eve was fooled, she was
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deceived.
And Paul is concerned that the
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00:30:58,880 –> 00:31:02,680
whole ecclesia at this point is
going to be deceived and fooled
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by things that were happening in
their ecclesial world and that
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00:31:05,760 –> 00:31:08,880
they would be be fooled like the
serpent had to see Eve in this
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case.
But when he writes about this to
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00:31:11,720 –> 00:31:15,600
Timothy and talking about again
this same incident in First
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00:31:15,600 –> 00:31:19,160
Timothy chapter 2, his argument
about having sisters in
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00:31:19,160 –> 00:31:23,040
ecclesial life learn in silence
with all submission comes from
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00:31:23,040 –> 00:31:27,800
the fact in verse 13 that Adam
was formed 1st and then Eve.
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00:31:28,000 –> 00:31:31,200
It’s not about cultural things.
It’s about the creation and the
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00:31:31,200 –> 00:31:33,720
way the angels made the
creation.
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And he goes on and says that
Adam was not deceived.
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00:31:37,360 –> 00:31:40,320
See, we wouldn’t necessarily
know that back in Genesis.
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00:31:40,320 –> 00:31:42,840
We could have a debate about it
and we could talk about whether
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00:31:42,840 –> 00:31:46,200
it was true or not.
But we now know that Paul says
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00:31:46,200 –> 00:31:50,000
that Adam wasn’t fooled.
Adam’s sin was different than
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00:31:50,000 –> 00:31:52,040
Eve.
He knew what he was doing.
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00:31:52,360 –> 00:31:54,760
And we could have a great
discussion this afternoon about
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whose sin was worse.
And that really isn’t our goal
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00:31:57,560 –> 00:31:59,840
right now because they both
committed sins.
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00:31:59,840 –> 00:32:03,640
But the thing it was different.
Eve was deceived and Adam was
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00:32:03,640 –> 00:32:05,920
not deceived.
And they both fell into the
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00:32:05,920 –> 00:32:08,680
transgression in the end.
And Paul goes on to say that
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nevertheless she will be saved
and bearing children and child
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00:32:11,640 –> 00:32:14,720
bearing if they continue in
faith and love and holiness with
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self-control.
So Adam made a conscious choice
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00:32:18,600 –> 00:32:23,360
to join his wife in her life
that she had chosen now and all
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the consequences of sin, whereas
Eve had been deceived in that
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00:32:27,120 –> 00:32:28,400
case.
And that’s part of Paul’s
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00:32:28,400 –> 00:32:31,320
reasoning as to why in a
collegial life that the woman
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should keep silence.
So when you go back and look at
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00:32:34,160 –> 00:32:37,240
them in terms of the changes
that took place at that time, is
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00:32:37,240 –> 00:32:40,200
that Adam and Eve’s desires were
different before they had
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00:32:40,200 –> 00:32:42,280
sinned.
Not just different between
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00:32:42,280 –> 00:32:44,920
themselves, but they’re
different than they were after
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00:32:44,920 –> 00:32:48,040
they had sinned because back in
the beginning the woman saw that
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00:32:48,040 –> 00:32:51,280
the tree was good for food.
Well, that sure looks like what
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we would find in John.
You know whether you have the
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the idea of things that are
desirable and then you have
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00:32:57,280 –> 00:33:00,280
pleasant to the eyes.
You know the lust of the flesh,
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00:33:00,440 –> 00:33:04,480
the lust of the eyes and then
desired to make one wise the
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00:33:04,480 –> 00:33:07,640
pride of life.
But these were just desires back
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00:33:07,640 –> 00:33:09,040
then.
These were like there were
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feelings that were there, but he
doesn’t call them the lust of
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00:33:12,480 –> 00:33:15,360
the flesh, the lust of the eyes
and the pride of life at this
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00:33:15,360 –> 00:33:19,080
point in this is 3, but I think
John does later on.
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00:33:19,400 –> 00:33:22,200
So there was something different
about this to where they were
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00:33:22,200 –> 00:33:25,520
able to go on for quite a while
sometime at least before they
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00:33:25,520 –> 00:33:29,240
gave in to the outside tempter.
Whereas when John brings this up
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00:33:29,240 –> 00:33:32,840
and in first John chapter 2 at
verse 15, he says do not love
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00:33:32,840 –> 00:33:34,160
the world of the things of the
world.
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For if anyone loves the world,
the love of the Father is not in
646
00:33:36,840 –> 00:33:38,960
him.
For all that is in the world,
647
00:33:38,960 –> 00:33:42,240
the lust of the flesh, the lust
of the eyes, the pride of life,
648
00:33:42,600 –> 00:33:45,200
these things, they’re not of the
Father, but they are of the
649
00:33:45,200 –> 00:33:46,800
world.
And so he says, look at God
650
00:33:46,800 –> 00:33:49,120
didn’t make this.
This isn’t what God had
651
00:33:49,120 –> 00:33:51,920
intended.
This is now a choice that Adam
652
00:33:51,920 –> 00:33:54,520
and Eve had made.
And now they had these lusts.
653
00:33:54,840 –> 00:33:58,720
But as Paul calls them, these
deceitful lusts are now in them
654
00:33:58,720 –> 00:34:01,640
as part of them.
So before the before this had
655
00:34:01,640 –> 00:34:03,760
happened.
Originally this temptation came
656
00:34:03,760 –> 00:34:07,320
from the outside for Adam and
Eve, and it took an outside
657
00:34:07,320 –> 00:34:11,199
tempter to change them because
God had made them very good.
658
00:34:11,840 –> 00:34:15,440
But now things have changed.
Paul says now that what we are
659
00:34:15,440 –> 00:34:18,280
dealing with today, we are not
like Adam and Eve before they
660
00:34:18,280 –> 00:34:19,679
sinned.
We’re not like that.
661
00:34:19,960 –> 00:34:22,520
We don’t grow up with that.
You know, when we’re born, we
662
00:34:22,520 –> 00:34:26,400
are now born already with a
nature that is prone to sin.
663
00:34:26,880 –> 00:34:30,440
So Paul would say in Ephesians 4
that what God is trying to do
664
00:34:30,440 –> 00:34:35,080
with us today is to convince us
to change how we live so that we
665
00:34:35,080 –> 00:34:39,679
put off concerning your former
conduct, the old man which grows
666
00:34:39,679 –> 00:34:42,719
corrupt according to the
deceitful lusts.
667
00:34:43,199 –> 00:34:46,560
So now this isn’t just desire to
make one wise.
668
00:34:46,560 –> 00:34:50,199
This isn’t just a desire.
These are now deceitful lusts
669
00:34:50,199 –> 00:34:52,360
that we have in US.
They’re deceitful.
670
00:34:52,360 –> 00:34:55,719
They fool us like the serpent
fooled Eve, and it’s in us as
671
00:34:55,719 –> 00:34:58,120
part of our nature.
This is what the Bible would
672
00:34:58,120 –> 00:35:01,680
refer to as the devil.
This is the devil that’s in us,
673
00:35:01,680 –> 00:35:04,560
that we’re fighting these
deceitful lusts and that you be
674
00:35:04,560 –> 00:35:07,560
renewed in the spirit of your
mind that God will help you
675
00:35:07,560 –> 00:35:11,480
overcome this because his
morality is going to change how
676
00:35:11,480 –> 00:35:13,480
you live.
And you put on a new man which
677
00:35:13,480 –> 00:35:17,320
was created after God, according
to God and true righteousness
678
00:35:17,320 –> 00:35:21,280
and holiness.
So we now are born into a race
679
00:35:21,280 –> 00:35:24,840
that has deceitful lusts.
And that’s how Paul would refer
680
00:35:24,840 –> 00:35:26,080
to that.
That’s a little different than
681
00:35:26,080 –> 00:35:29,240
Adam and Eve, the way they were
created or what the Bible would
682
00:35:29,240 –> 00:35:32,160
call.
We now have a law of sin, as
683
00:35:32,160 –> 00:35:35,600
Paul refers to it in Romans, a
law of sin that’s in our body.
684
00:35:35,960 –> 00:35:40,040
So that even in Genesis 8 at
verse 21, even when there’s only
685
00:35:40,040 –> 00:35:44,000
Noah and his family alive after
the flood and all those evil
686
00:35:44,000 –> 00:35:47,000
people had been wiped out.
And God starts over with Noah’s
687
00:35:47,000 –> 00:35:49,240
family.
He still looks at them in
688
00:35:49,240 –> 00:35:52,920
Genesis 8 and says, you know,
the imagination of man’s heart
689
00:35:53,040 –> 00:35:56,760
is evil from his youth.
And this is now the righteous
690
00:35:56,760 –> 00:35:59,400
people.
The imagination of a man’s heart
691
00:35:59,600 –> 00:36:02,600
is evil from his youth.
Or as Jeremiah would say in
692
00:36:02,600 –> 00:36:05,280
Jeremiah 17, the heart’s
deceitful above all things and
693
00:36:05,280 –> 00:36:07,960
desperately wicked.
Or what James would cover in
694
00:36:07,960 –> 00:36:10,800
James chapter one that don’t
blame God for your problems.
695
00:36:10,800 –> 00:36:12,480
Oh, no, don’t get sucked into
that.
696
00:36:12,640 –> 00:36:15,240
When bad things happen in your
life and you have a tendency to
697
00:36:15,240 –> 00:36:18,000
think, God, this shouldn’t
happen to me, this isn’t fair.
698
00:36:18,320 –> 00:36:21,800
Don’t fall into that.
That’s the seat of our lust.
699
00:36:21,800 –> 00:36:24,840
That’s our mind that’s trying to
take us down a track, which is
700
00:36:24,840 –> 00:36:27,080
no good.
And James would say, Oh no, that
701
00:36:27,080 –> 00:36:30,400
we’re not tempted by God.
No, everyone is tempted when we
702
00:36:30,400 –> 00:36:35,000
are drawn away by our own
desires and enticed doesn’t even
703
00:36:35,000 –> 00:36:36,640
take an external tempter
anymore.
704
00:36:36,640 –> 00:36:39,680
We just think about it in our
head, or what Paul would call in
705
00:36:39,680 –> 00:36:43,560
Romans 7 at verse 20, CI see
another law in my members
706
00:36:43,760 –> 00:36:45,600
warring against the law of my
mind.
707
00:36:45,760 –> 00:36:48,520
With my mind now in Christ, I
want to do the right thing.
708
00:36:48,720 –> 00:36:51,520
But Paul says I’ve got this
other mind, this other law
709
00:36:51,520 –> 00:36:54,640
that’s up in here, and it’s
always fighting with the mind of
710
00:36:54,640 –> 00:36:56,880
the Spirit.
It’s this nasty mind of the
711
00:36:56,880 –> 00:37:00,080
flesh that’s there, and it’s
bringing me into captivity to
712
00:37:00,080 –> 00:37:02,080
the law of sin, which is in my
members.
713
00:37:02,560 –> 00:37:05,760
Or John’s reference in first
John 2 and 16 about the lust of
714
00:37:05,760 –> 00:37:07,680
the flesh of the eyes and the
pride of life.
715
00:37:08,200 –> 00:37:11,200
Or what Paul calls in Galatians
5 when he writes to them after
716
00:37:11,200 –> 00:37:14,440
dealing with the fruit of the
Spirit, he reminds them that the
717
00:37:14,440 –> 00:37:17,800
flesh is lusting against the
Spirit and the spirit against
718
00:37:17,800 –> 00:37:20,240
the flesh.
They’re contrary to one another
719
00:37:20,400 –> 00:37:22,880
so that you do not do the things
that you wish.
720
00:37:23,280 –> 00:37:26,160
And this is the battle, this is
the war that goes on in each one
721
00:37:26,160 –> 00:37:29,760
of us now today, because of the
results of the sins of Adam and
722
00:37:29,760 –> 00:37:32,040
Eve.
So what happened with Adam and
723
00:37:32,040 –> 00:37:35,320
Eve then when they sin, We all
know that as a result of sin,
724
00:37:35,320 –> 00:37:37,960
that in the day that you eat of
it dying, you will die.
725
00:37:37,960 –> 00:37:40,920
They became mortal, and to dust
they shall return.
726
00:37:41,240 –> 00:37:45,240
But they also inherit with that
mortality now this tendency to
727
00:37:45,240 –> 00:37:47,560
sin.
So we find out that Paul would
728
00:37:47,560 –> 00:37:50,880
say in Romans chapter 5 and
verse 12 that not not only did
729
00:37:50,880 –> 00:37:55,400
Adam and Eve become mortal, but
they passed on mortality to all
730
00:37:55,400 –> 00:37:58,480
of their children, just as
through one man centered and
731
00:37:58,480 –> 00:38:00,760
send entered into the world and
death through sin.
732
00:38:01,000 –> 00:38:04,480
Thus death spread to all men
because all sin.
733
00:38:04,480 –> 00:38:07,320
And so they passed on a mortal
nature.
734
00:38:07,720 –> 00:38:11,800
But they didn’t just pass on
mortality, they passed on their
735
00:38:11,800 –> 00:38:16,040
bias now to sin, that God had
changed them as a result of that
736
00:38:16,040 –> 00:38:18,040
sin.
And now you could again debate
737
00:38:18,040 –> 00:38:20,560
whether it was the eating of the
fruit, which some people in our
738
00:38:20,560 –> 00:38:23,360
community think, or whether it
was the angels specifically
739
00:38:23,360 –> 00:38:26,600
changed them at that point.
But something happened now to
740
00:38:26,600 –> 00:38:28,480
where they don’t need an
external tempter.
741
00:38:28,760 –> 00:38:32,120
Now they have deceitful lusts in
their bodies.
742
00:38:32,600 –> 00:38:35,240
And I don’t really think God did
this with evil intent at all.
743
00:38:35,240 –> 00:38:38,000
It’s not like he, I mean, Harry
10, at one point said it was
744
00:38:38,000 –> 00:38:41,120
like God.
God froze into their bodies what
745
00:38:41,120 –> 00:38:43,200
they had chosen this this way of
life.
746
00:38:43,480 –> 00:38:46,040
And many of our brethren had
picked up on the fact and
747
00:38:46,040 –> 00:38:48,640
understood that this was how God
was going to save them.
748
00:38:49,080 –> 00:38:51,600
If, if you had Adam and Eve’s
nature before they sinned,
749
00:38:51,600 –> 00:38:54,440
imagine if you had that today
and you woke up this morning,
750
00:38:54,440 –> 00:38:56,920
didn’t commit any sins before
you came here, went through the
751
00:38:56,920 –> 00:38:59,480
whole day, never sinned.
Tomorrow you don’t sin either.
752
00:38:59,520 –> 00:39:01,080
The next day you don’t sin
either.
753
00:39:01,200 –> 00:39:03,440
And you’ve got this very good
nature of Adam and Eve.
754
00:39:03,520 –> 00:39:05,640
Would you think you needed a
Redeemer?
755
00:39:06,960 –> 00:39:09,440
See what would happen?
We’d end up thinking I’m pretty
756
00:39:09,440 –> 00:39:11,280
good.
I mean, the Jews thought they
757
00:39:11,280 –> 00:39:14,200
were pretty good even though
they had a law and the law was
758
00:39:14,200 –> 00:39:17,320
supposed to show them that they
were exceeding sinners, and they
759
00:39:17,320 –> 00:39:19,320
still turned it into something
where they thought they were
760
00:39:19,320 –> 00:39:21,520
pretty good.
We’d be thinking we were really
761
00:39:21,520 –> 00:39:24,920
good if that’s how we were.
And So what God has done in his
762
00:39:24,920 –> 00:39:28,600
kindness is given us a nature
now, which is prone to sin, has
763
00:39:28,600 –> 00:39:31,720
a bias to sin.
He’s he’s given us this devil
764
00:39:31,720 –> 00:39:35,040
within us so that we realize we
need him.
765
00:39:35,040 –> 00:39:38,560
We we need the work in his work
in our life or we will never
766
00:39:38,560 –> 00:39:40,680
make it.
That’s his kindness, really.
767
00:39:40,840 –> 00:39:44,480
So he saw in Genesis 6 at verse
5 that the imagination of man’s
768
00:39:44,480 –> 00:39:47,200
heart was only evil continually.
And it was true of Noah.
769
00:39:47,720 –> 00:39:50,240
Jesus said in Mark 7 that it’s
from within.
770
00:39:50,320 –> 00:39:52,040
It’s it’s not about the foods
that we eat.
771
00:39:52,280 –> 00:39:54,720
It’s from in here, not what we
put in our mouth.
772
00:39:55,000 –> 00:39:58,960
Out of the heart of man come all
these nasty things and he lists
773
00:39:58,960 –> 00:40:01,560
them all off or Paul says in
Romans 7 that when the
774
00:40:01,560 –> 00:40:05,400
commandment cave sin revived and
I died, you know, and he refers
775
00:40:05,400 –> 00:40:09,000
to our bodies as being this body
of sin or the sinful body, the
776
00:40:09,000 –> 00:40:11,160
body of death.
Who will deliver me from this
777
00:40:11,160 –> 00:40:13,920
body of death?
He says thanks be to God through
778
00:40:14,000 –> 00:40:16,720
Jesus Christ our Lord.
So we don’t need an outside
779
00:40:16,720 –> 00:40:19,480
tempter anymore.
We’ve now got it inside or what
780
00:40:19,480 –> 00:40:22,680
the Bible refers to as the devil
or what we’ve got this mind in
781
00:40:22,680 –> 00:40:25,160
us this this mind that has
deceitful lust.
782
00:40:25,160 –> 00:40:27,840
We’re thinking about and and
dwelling on things that we could
783
00:40:27,840 –> 00:40:29,880
do which are not really what
God.
784
00:40:30,000 –> 00:40:34,960
Wants us to do, and he’s made
that very aware in us so that we
785
00:40:34,960 –> 00:40:39,040
realize our need for redemption.
It’s all part of his kindness
786
00:40:39,040 –> 00:40:41,800
really, that he’s done this.
Sometimes Olympic athletes or
787
00:40:41,800 –> 00:40:43,720
athletes, when they’re training
in school, if you want to run
788
00:40:43,720 –> 00:40:46,360
really fast, a lot of times what
they teach athletes to do is
789
00:40:46,360 –> 00:40:48,240
wear weights.
They put 8 weights around their
790
00:40:48,240 –> 00:40:50,400
ankles and they walk around all
the time wearing weights.
791
00:40:50,680 –> 00:40:54,080
And then when they get into the
final race, they lay aside every
792
00:40:54,080 –> 00:40:58,480
weight and they run that race,
as Paul says, as fast as they
793
00:40:58,480 –> 00:41:00,800
can.
And in a sense, God’s done that
794
00:41:00,800 –> 00:41:02,680
in us.
He’s given us something to weigh
795
00:41:02,680 –> 00:41:05,680
us down so that we realize where
we’re at.
796
00:41:05,720 –> 00:41:08,880
And then hopefully the day will
come when he can take those
797
00:41:08,880 –> 00:41:12,400
things away and he will give us
a body which is free from this.
798
00:41:12,760 –> 00:41:15,920
So you see that there are two
aspects of sin in the Bible.
799
00:41:15,920 –> 00:41:18,880
There are personal
transgressions that are sins
800
00:41:19,040 –> 00:41:22,040
that when we sin against God.
And then there’s these other
801
00:41:22,040 –> 00:41:23,960
things.
That’s this human nature, this
802
00:41:23,960 –> 00:41:27,680
bias that we have towards sin.
And there really are two
803
00:41:27,680 –> 00:41:30,960
aspects, as Brother Thomas had
picked up about the use of sin
804
00:41:30,960 –> 00:41:32,760
in the Bible.
There are personal
805
00:41:32,760 –> 00:41:35,800
transgressions that we make
where we make mistakes, we we
806
00:41:35,800 –> 00:41:38,200
commit error and we sin against
God.
807
00:41:38,520 –> 00:41:41,160
And those are some of the ways
that sin is used.
808
00:41:41,520 –> 00:41:45,320
But our nature itself, because
it now has these deceitful
809
00:41:45,320 –> 00:41:48,160
lusts, is included in part of
the problem.
810
00:41:48,560 –> 00:41:52,400
The nature that we bear it, it
wants to it, it tempts us that
811
00:41:52,720 –> 00:41:55,840
it has desires that are
deceitful, and it fools us.
812
00:41:55,840 –> 00:41:59,360
Sometimes you go in there to see
all those snacks and you just
813
00:41:59,360 –> 00:42:02,000
think, oh, boy.
And we start thinking about what
814
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:04,880
we could have, and we start
piling up our little plates and
815
00:42:04,880 –> 00:42:06,560
piling them on.
And we think, I want some of
816
00:42:06,560 –> 00:42:09,320
this and I want some of this.
And before we know it, we have
817
00:42:09,320 –> 00:42:11,080
so much you almost can’t eat it
all.
818
00:42:11,080 –> 00:42:13,120
But this is what happens in our
brain.
819
00:42:13,120 –> 00:42:16,240
Everybody knows it.
We have these deceitful lusts
820
00:42:16,240 –> 00:42:17,680
and we think, Oh yeah, I can
handle that.
821
00:42:18,200 –> 00:42:19,720
And then we find out what you
can.
822
00:42:19,720 –> 00:42:21,280
Well, it does that with all
kinds of sin.
823
00:42:21,280 –> 00:42:25,040
This is the nature that we bear.
One of them really is like in
824
00:42:25,040 –> 00:42:28,000
Bible terminology, one of them
is the root and the other one
825
00:42:28,000 –> 00:42:30,560
are the fruits.
So you have a nature now that’s
826
00:42:30,560 –> 00:42:34,760
prone to sin that God had to put
in us so that we would see our
827
00:42:34,760 –> 00:42:37,760
need for redemption.
But then at the same time, we
828
00:42:37,760 –> 00:42:42,160
have the personal transgressions
that this nature actually causes
829
00:42:42,160 –> 00:42:45,880
us to commit, that flow from
this nature in the end, and that
830
00:42:45,880 –> 00:42:47,760
then we end up with God dealing
with both.
831
00:42:47,760 –> 00:42:50,160
That’s the good thing.
When you go back and look at our
832
00:42:50,160 –> 00:42:53,960
community as So what we’ve done
as a group, sometimes some folks
833
00:42:53,960 –> 00:42:56,840
in our community, when you watch
how the pendulum can swing about
834
00:42:56,840 –> 00:43:00,840
human nature, some people see
human nature as basically good.
835
00:43:01,400 –> 00:43:03,920
You’ll see that a lot in in the
Christian community today.
836
00:43:03,920 –> 00:43:06,400
You’ll see it a lot in the
humanistic approaches and rebel
837
00:43:06,400 –> 00:43:10,560
and, and religion that we
basically have a good nature.
838
00:43:10,560 –> 00:43:12,280
And the problem is the
environment.
839
00:43:12,480 –> 00:43:15,960
If you just all grew up in good
families and if we all had good
840
00:43:15,960 –> 00:43:19,360
governments and if we all had
all this good stuff and then
841
00:43:19,360 –> 00:43:22,480
people sometimes think, well,
then we would just our good
842
00:43:22,480 –> 00:43:25,800
nature would just then have a
wonderful place to flourish.
843
00:43:26,320 –> 00:43:28,760
And for people who believe that,
I mean, just to remind them that
844
00:43:28,760 –> 00:43:31,400
look at the Kingdom aged in the
thousand year Kingdom that
845
00:43:31,400 –> 00:43:34,160
Christ sets on earth.
And Jesus Christ will be the
846
00:43:34,160 –> 00:43:37,720
ruler and all this world, all
the corruption that you see in
847
00:43:37,720 –> 00:43:40,560
this world will be replaced.
And we finally had this
848
00:43:40,560 –> 00:43:42,920
experiment about what are humans
going to do?
849
00:43:42,920 –> 00:43:45,080
And they’re given this wonderful
opportunity.
850
00:43:45,440 –> 00:43:48,320
You find a rebellion at the end
of the thousand year Kingdom and
851
00:43:48,320 –> 00:43:52,200
that’s what it will produce.
So the problem really is in the
852
00:43:52,200 –> 00:43:54,200
nature.
We by nature have something
853
00:43:54,200 –> 00:43:57,520
which is prone to sin that
really isn’t basically good
854
00:43:57,520 –> 00:44:00,080
because it’s been changed from
where Adam and Eve had
855
00:44:00,080 –> 00:44:02,880
originally started.
We then find that sometimes in
856
00:44:02,880 –> 00:44:05,560
our community people swing to
the other side and they say,
857
00:44:05,560 –> 00:44:08,480
well, human nature is terribly
wicked and bad.
858
00:44:08,760 –> 00:44:11,160
It’s so bad that you’re guilty
for it.
859
00:44:11,440 –> 00:44:13,440
God holds you guilty for your
nature.
860
00:44:13,480 –> 00:44:15,560
You’ll find like, you know, the
Catholics came up with the
861
00:44:15,560 –> 00:44:18,680
inherited sin concept and you
have to have an atonement for
862
00:44:18,680 –> 00:44:21,280
that sin.
Or you’ll sometimes find within
863
00:44:21,280 –> 00:44:23,840
our community that people won’t
go that far, but they’ll say
864
00:44:23,840 –> 00:44:27,080
that our nature is so bad, you
need an atonement for the
865
00:44:27,080 –> 00:44:29,640
nature.
And so now we’re like starting
866
00:44:29,640 –> 00:44:33,080
to like talk about terminology
that you just don’t find in the
867
00:44:33,080 –> 00:44:36,640
Bible that human nature is so
bad that we’re going to require
868
00:44:36,640 –> 00:44:40,040
an offering for the nature.
And it’s, it’s an interesting
869
00:44:40,040 –> 00:44:42,600
concept that they have somehow
that I want to know what people
870
00:44:42,600 –> 00:44:45,000
are thinking there, that like
somehow God is going to save our
871
00:44:45,000 –> 00:44:47,480
nature, that he’s going to make
an atonement for it and redeem
872
00:44:47,480 –> 00:44:49,360
it.
When the nature itself, the way
873
00:44:49,360 –> 00:44:52,760
it’s being used in the Bible, in
Bible terminology, it’s really,
874
00:44:52,760 –> 00:44:56,160
it’s the devil and you don’t
redeem the devil.
875
00:44:56,440 –> 00:44:59,160
This is something that we are
being taught to fight.
876
00:44:59,160 –> 00:45:02,400
This is King’s sin.
And our goal in the end is to
877
00:45:02,440 –> 00:45:06,160
put sin to death.
And so it’s just fun to look at
878
00:45:06,160 –> 00:45:09,320
in our community this idea of
watching the pendulum swing back
879
00:45:09,320 –> 00:45:11,800
and forth and you have to find
where the truth is.
880
00:45:11,800 –> 00:45:13,920
And I, I really believe it’s
somewhere in the middle there
881
00:45:13,920 –> 00:45:17,880
that human nature is bad.
It, it has bad desires in it.
882
00:45:17,880 –> 00:45:21,640
It is prone to sin, but God
doesn’t hold you guilty for it
883
00:45:21,640 –> 00:45:23,760
and he doesn’t intend to redeem
it.
884
00:45:24,120 –> 00:45:25,600
You’re not going to redeem the
devil.
885
00:45:25,600 –> 00:45:28,160
That’s in our nature.
And instead he’s going to kick
886
00:45:28,160 –> 00:45:30,200
the devil out.
He’s going to remove the devil
887
00:45:30,200 –> 00:45:33,720
from us and turn us into beings
that are going to be like the
888
00:45:33,720 –> 00:45:35,640
angels.
That’s the goal of God.
889
00:45:36,480 –> 00:45:38,960
So when John Thomas was
referring to this in Elpis
890
00:45:38,960 –> 00:45:42,040
Israel, and he makes mention of
it, a lot of people, you look at
891
00:45:42,040 –> 00:45:45,200
his, his section in Elpis Israel
about the, the use of the word
892
00:45:45,200 –> 00:45:48,840
sin in the Bible.
And he says that the word sin is
893
00:45:48,840 –> 00:45:51,720
used in two principal
acceptations in the Scripture.
894
00:45:51,720 –> 00:45:55,200
It signifies in the 1st place,
the transgressions of the law.
895
00:45:55,200 –> 00:45:58,640
Those are our personal sins.
And then the next it represents
896
00:45:58,640 –> 00:46:01,880
that physical principle of the
animal nature.
897
00:46:02,000 –> 00:46:04,640
See, this is something that’s
physically in us.
898
00:46:04,720 –> 00:46:07,720
It’s this devil that we’re
fighting, this principle in the
899
00:46:07,760 –> 00:46:12,000
animal nature which is the cause
of all its diseases and its
900
00:46:12,000 –> 00:46:15,280
death and its resolution in the
dust, and it is that in the
901
00:46:15,280 –> 00:46:17,400
flesh which has the power of
death.
902
00:46:17,400 –> 00:46:19,560
There’s that phrase right out of
Hebrews 2.
903
00:46:19,560 –> 00:46:23,680
That is, the devil has the power
of death, and it is called sin
904
00:46:23,960 –> 00:46:27,200
because the development or
fixation of this evil in the
905
00:46:27,200 –> 00:46:29,840
flesh was the result of
transgression.
906
00:46:29,840 –> 00:46:33,760
This was a change that took
place as the result of Adam and
907
00:46:33,760 –> 00:46:36,000
Eve’s sin.
And as much as the evil
908
00:46:36,000 –> 00:46:40,560
principle pervades every part of
the flesh, the animal nature is
909
00:46:40,560 –> 00:46:45,400
styled sinful flesh by Paul, or
that is flesh full of sin.
910
00:46:45,760 –> 00:46:49,840
So that sin in the Bible in the
sacred style came to stand for
911
00:46:49,840 –> 00:46:53,440
the substance called man.
And a lot of people have looked
912
00:46:53,440 –> 00:46:55,800
at that section and Alpha is
Israel and been amazed at how
913
00:46:55,800 –> 00:46:58,200
John Thomas had picked that out
and understood.
914
00:46:58,440 –> 00:47:00,720
And that is one of the areas
that in our Christadelphian
915
00:47:00,720 –> 00:47:03,880
community, we we’ve inherited,
which is a, a wonderful concept
916
00:47:03,880 –> 00:47:06,920
about the, the total use of the
word sin in the Bible.
917
00:47:07,480 –> 00:47:12,040
So you can see that when God
condemned sin in the body of
918
00:47:12,120 –> 00:47:14,440
Jesus Christ, he condemned it
all.
919
00:47:14,640 –> 00:47:17,640
He didn’t just condemn personal
transgressions.
920
00:47:17,640 –> 00:47:21,200
He condemned the devil that bore
those things in nature that,
921
00:47:21,200 –> 00:47:24,040
that, that, that was the root of
those problems.
922
00:47:24,400 –> 00:47:27,040
So in Romans 8, you’ll, you’ll
see that when Paul’s dealing
923
00:47:27,040 –> 00:47:30,400
with this and he’s really not
talking about legalistic stuff
924
00:47:30,400 –> 00:47:33,120
here in Romans 8 at all.
He’s talking about real
925
00:47:33,440 –> 00:47:36,640
conquering of sin.
This was a real work that God
926
00:47:36,640 –> 00:47:40,600
accomplished in Jesus Christ for
what the law could not do in
927
00:47:40,600 –> 00:47:42,280
that it was weak through the
flesh.
928
00:47:42,600 –> 00:47:48,120
God did by sending his own Son
in the likeness of sinful flesh.
929
00:47:48,280 –> 00:47:52,400
You know, He had our nature, He
never gave in to sin, but He had
930
00:47:52,400 –> 00:47:55,200
our nature.
And on account of sin, it’s
931
00:47:55,200 –> 00:48:00,280
because of sin that He did this.
He condemned sin in the flesh.
932
00:48:00,600 –> 00:48:03,080
He condemned it all.
He condemned the root in the
933
00:48:03,080 –> 00:48:06,520
nature, and He condemned the
personal transgressions because
934
00:48:06,520 –> 00:48:10,520
Jesus Christ nailed the body of
sin to the tree like the serpent
935
00:48:10,520 –> 00:48:13,160
in the wilderness, and He never
gave in.
936
00:48:13,160 –> 00:48:16,160
When He was reviled, He didn’t
revile in return.
937
00:48:16,320 –> 00:48:19,640
When He suffered, He didn’t
threaten that, he committed
938
00:48:19,640 –> 00:48:23,560
himself to his father.
And for those who live, sorry,
939
00:48:23,840 –> 00:48:26,840
as Paul goes on there in verse
4, then that the righteous
940
00:48:26,840 –> 00:48:31,120
requirement of the law might be
fulfilled in US.
941
00:48:31,480 –> 00:48:35,960
Isn’t that interesting that God
did that in Jesus Christ?
942
00:48:36,360 –> 00:48:39,360
And here we go again.
So that something is going to
943
00:48:39,360 –> 00:48:43,520
change your life, the righteous
requirement of the law.
944
00:48:43,840 –> 00:48:47,520
What was the aim of the law?
What was the law really aiming
945
00:48:47,520 –> 00:48:51,400
at all along but to love the
Lord your God with all your
946
00:48:51,400 –> 00:48:54,520
heart and all your soul and all
your strength and all your mind,
947
00:48:54,520 –> 00:48:57,920
and to love your neighbor as
yourself?
948
00:48:58,320 –> 00:49:02,160
Paul says over and over again on
those two things hang all the
949
00:49:02,160 –> 00:49:05,560
law and the prophets.
Paul says that was the aim of
950
00:49:05,560 –> 00:49:08,960
the law or some of our versions
had the end of the law ending.
951
00:49:08,960 –> 00:49:12,080
The end in the sense of this is
the end of the law, he says this
952
00:49:12,080 –> 00:49:14,520
was the end result.
This is what the law was aiming
953
00:49:14,520 –> 00:49:18,360
at all along, that we would
learn to love God and love our
954
00:49:18,360 –> 00:49:22,320
neighbor as ourselves.
That was a righteous requirement
955
00:49:22,400 –> 00:49:25,680
of the law.
And God did this in His Son so
956
00:49:25,680 –> 00:49:29,960
that this would now take place
in us, that now we will love Him
957
00:49:29,960 –> 00:49:32,240
and we will love our neighbor as
ourselves.
958
00:49:32,520 –> 00:49:35,080
So Paul would go on there and
say that it’s the righteous
959
00:49:35,080 –> 00:49:36,960
requirement of the law will be
filled in US.
960
00:49:36,960 –> 00:49:38,160
Who?
What?
961
00:49:38,400 –> 00:49:41,600
This is not just legalistic,
this is not academic.
962
00:49:41,760 –> 00:49:44,360
This is way of life that he’s
talking about.
963
00:49:44,600 –> 00:49:48,280
Who walk, who do not walk
according to the flesh, but
964
00:49:48,280 –> 00:49:51,160
according to the Spirit.
For those who live according to
965
00:49:51,160 –> 00:49:54,400
the flesh have set their minds
on the things of the flesh, but
966
00:49:54,400 –> 00:49:58,520
those who live according to the
Spirit, the things of the Spirit
967
00:49:59,440 –> 00:50:02,520
say, again, this is not a
chapter that’s about legal
968
00:50:02,520 –> 00:50:05,000
standing.
This is not about legal stuff
969
00:50:05,000 –> 00:50:08,200
that Paul’s talking.
He’s talking about how you live.
970
00:50:08,680 –> 00:50:11,680
This is a way of life.
That’s why they call it the way
971
00:50:12,080 –> 00:50:15,640
that this is how we live, that
God is after he’s out to change
972
00:50:15,640 –> 00:50:19,240
our life and the life of Christ
was designed to do that.
973
00:50:20,640 –> 00:50:22,440
The in our clause in our
statement of faith.
974
00:50:22,440 –> 00:50:25,120
You’ll notice that when we wrote
our statement of faith and they
975
00:50:25,120 –> 00:50:27,760
put out the Birmingham amended
statement of faith or even in
976
00:50:27,760 –> 00:50:28,920
the Birmingham statement of
faith.
977
00:50:28,920 –> 00:50:30,760
That referred to that in clause
5.
978
00:50:31,080 –> 00:50:34,800
When he referred to the idea
that Adam broke the law that God
979
00:50:34,800 –> 00:50:39,000
had established and was a judge
unworthy of immortality and
980
00:50:39,000 –> 00:50:41,760
sentenced to return to the
ground from whence he was taken,
981
00:50:42,280 –> 00:50:46,720
a sentence which defiled and
became a physical law of his
982
00:50:46,720 –> 00:50:49,080
being.
So it defiled him.
983
00:50:49,080 –> 00:50:54,000
So now he is morally defiled and
it’s also a physical law of his
984
00:50:54,000 –> 00:50:56,600
being.
And this is this part now that
985
00:50:56,600 –> 00:51:01,360
we have built into US mortality
and this proneness to sin, and
986
00:51:01,360 –> 00:51:03,840
it was transmitted to all his
posterity.
987
00:51:04,160 –> 00:51:07,120
So in a very simple clause right
there, it actually covered a lot
988
00:51:07,120 –> 00:51:09,560
of those things that we just
looked at before about what
989
00:51:09,560 –> 00:51:11,880
happened as a result of Adam and
Eve’s sin.
990
00:51:12,200 –> 00:51:14,760
And that’s right there in clause
five of our statement of faith,
991
00:51:14,760 –> 00:51:17,720
which is good.
So Paul would go on to say in
992
00:51:17,720 –> 00:51:21,480
Romans 8 then that to be
carnally minded is death.
993
00:51:21,640 –> 00:51:23,840
So, you know, if that’s what we
do, if we set our mind on the
994
00:51:23,840 –> 00:51:27,120
flesh and the things of the
flesh, we end up serving sin.
995
00:51:27,120 –> 00:51:30,000
We serve the devil and all.
And if you do that, if we’re
996
00:51:30,000 –> 00:51:33,320
carnally minded, it’s death.
But to be spiritually minded is
997
00:51:33,320 –> 00:51:37,760
life and peace because the
carnal mind is enmity with God,
998
00:51:38,280 –> 00:51:41,520
for it is not subject to the law
of God, nor indeed can be.
999
00:51:42,000 –> 00:51:45,080
So then those who are in the
flesh cannot please God.
1000
00:51:45,080 –> 00:51:47,800
And, and you can see how Paul
uses that phrase in the flesh.
1001
00:51:47,800 –> 00:51:50,000
In the flesh doesn’t mean that
you’re just mortal and you’re
1002
00:51:50,000 –> 00:51:52,000
alive today and you’re living
life right now.
1003
00:51:52,360 –> 00:51:56,160
In the flesh to him means that
you’re living a way of life in
1004
00:51:56,160 –> 00:51:58,640
which you satisfy the will of
the flesh.
1005
00:51:58,960 –> 00:52:02,560
This is your will versus God’s
will, and his goal is to win
1006
00:52:02,600 –> 00:52:07,840
your will over to his.
So God condemned sin in the body
1007
00:52:07,840 –> 00:52:10,360
of Jesus Christ.
Put him up on the pole like the
1008
00:52:10,360 –> 00:52:14,280
serpent in the wilderness to
have a moral impact on our life.
1009
00:52:14,760 –> 00:52:16,640
It’s supposed to change how we
live.
1010
00:52:16,960 –> 00:52:19,800
It’s, it’s sort of sad in our
community that because of the,
1011
00:52:19,800 –> 00:52:22,520
the use of the cross by the
Catholic Church, so often we’re
1012
00:52:22,520 –> 00:52:25,560
afraid to even look at pictures
of the cross or Jesus on the
1013
00:52:25,560 –> 00:52:29,240
cross.
When God intended that to be a
1014
00:52:29,240 –> 00:52:33,480
motivating factor in your life,
the most powerful motivating
1015
00:52:33,480 –> 00:52:37,360
factor to change how you live,
that we really should be looking
1016
00:52:37,360 –> 00:52:40,840
at Christ on the cross.
We should have that as an icon
1017
00:52:40,840 –> 00:52:44,160
in in our minds to realize every
day we’ve been asked to pick up
1018
00:52:44,160 –> 00:52:47,840
our cross and follow him as we
are baptized.
1019
00:52:47,840 –> 00:52:52,000
We put the old man to death.
We commit ourselves to put sin,
1020
00:52:52,400 –> 00:52:56,680
sin, not just personal sins, but
the whole thing to death so that
1021
00:52:56,680 –> 00:52:59,400
we might live for God and do the
will of our Father.
1022
00:52:59,400 –> 00:53:01,720
This is what He had intended.
This is what the
1023
00:53:01,720 –> 00:53:05,240
Christadelphians understand that
the other churches don’t.
1024
00:53:05,520 –> 00:53:08,520
This is the part of our
community that is the core of
1025
00:53:08,520 –> 00:53:12,320
our belief system as to why our
doctrines matter in what we
1026
00:53:12,320 –> 00:53:14,360
believe.
This is what God will use to
1027
00:53:14,360 –> 00:53:17,760
motivate you to develop the
faith of Hebrews 11 to change
1028
00:53:17,760 –> 00:53:20,840
the way you live, and yet you’ll
keep this faith unto the end.
1029
00:53:21,320 –> 00:53:22,800
This is really what it’s all
about.
1030
00:53:23,400 –> 00:53:25,720
So when Adam and Eve left the
garden, in the end, when they
1031
00:53:25,720 –> 00:53:28,440
walk out of the garden, they’ve
now got 2 problems.
1032
00:53:28,440 –> 00:53:31,520
They walk out of the garden now
as mortals and they walk out of
1033
00:53:31,520 –> 00:53:34,760
the garden now with a nature
that’s biased to sin.
1034
00:53:34,800 –> 00:53:37,520
It’s prone to sin.
Or his brother Harry Tennant,
1035
00:53:37,520 –> 00:53:40,160
when he grew, when he drew the
pictures of what they were like
1036
00:53:40,160 –> 00:53:42,920
before and then he drew them.
Now he just said they’re sort of
1037
00:53:42,920 –> 00:53:45,560
leaning over now.
They’re now of the earth and now
1038
00:53:45,560 –> 00:53:47,880
they’re leaning towards
satisfying the flesh.
1039
00:53:48,320 –> 00:53:52,000
And so God’s redempt, the plan
dealt with both.
1040
00:53:52,440 –> 00:53:55,600
And I, I say that because
sometimes all we do is emphasize
1041
00:53:55,600 –> 00:53:59,120
1 and we miss the other.
And really what God intended to
1042
00:53:59,120 –> 00:54:04,200
do was go after sin, all of it
in its root and in its cause.
1043
00:54:04,400 –> 00:54:06,960
And that’s what you’ll see in
the life of Jesus Christ.
1044
00:54:07,240 –> 00:54:09,760
And what we’ll do in the second
class is have a look, hopefully,
1045
00:54:09,760 –> 00:54:14,000
God willing, at the at how God
deals with both of those in US
1046
00:54:14,000 –> 00:54:16,400
and specifically in the Lord
Jesus Christ.
1047
00:54:16,840 –> 00:54:20,160
And we’ll have a look at how God
set out to redeem us from this
1048
00:54:20,160 –> 00:54:24,200
and his plan of atonement.
And his plan doesn’t just deal
1049
00:54:24,200 –> 00:54:27,080
with our personal
transgressions, it deals with
1050
00:54:27,080 –> 00:54:30,000
those and it deals with our
nature.
1051
00:54:30,240 –> 00:54:34,240
God set out to work on our
nature and help us to find ways
1052
00:54:34,240 –> 00:54:36,520
to fight it.
And that’s what his redemptive
1053
00:54:36,520 –> 00:54:38,400
plan will do.
And we’ll have a look at that in
1054
00:54:38,400 –> 00:54:40,880
class to God willing.
Thanks.
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