385: Jim Styles – God Did Redeem His Son

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Hey everyone, this is Jason

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Hensley, and this week we are
listening to a class by our

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brother Jim Styles.
Brother Jim gave this class at

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the Victoria Hall.
I was trying to figure out what

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year seems to me that we’re
looking at about 15, maybe 10

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years ago, something along those
lines.

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And this is class #2 in his
series called God’s Wonderful

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Plan of Redemption.
Now, I’ve actually heard the

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series numerous times, and I
have to tell you, every time I

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hear it, I absolutely love it.
And the reason for that is

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because I feel like the
atonement is something that

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sometimes becomes unnecessarily
complicated because there’s been

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a lot of weird stuff that’s gone
on about it in the past.

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And you know, what happens in
this class and really in this

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whole series is Brother Jim just
walks through what’s the big

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focus of the atonement?
What was God doing with the

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atonement?
What was Christ’s death and

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resurrection really all about?
And he simplifies it so that we

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can really grasp and focus on
what actually matters here.

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And I just love that.
So I recommend listen to the

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whole series.
I chose this class in particular

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because I felt like he really
pulled out the fact that

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sometimes we get all thrown off
when we look at the death of

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Christ because we try and view
it through this lens of the

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sacrifices or something like
that.

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And yes, the sacrifices were
supposed to teach us about

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Christ, but if we approach his
death and its meaning through

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the lens of the sacrifices, then
we’re acting as though we have

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no better opportunity than those
who had to live under the

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sacrificial system.
And yet now we see the full

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picture, we can actually see the
Lord Jesus, we can learn about

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him and now we can go back and
say, aha, now we understand the

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sacrifices.
So I just, I love the emphasis

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that he has on that and
ultimately on this changes who

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we are.
That’s what this is all about.

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God is creating new people
through the death and

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resurrection of Christ.
So this is Brother Jim Stiles,

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God’s wonderful plan of
redemption.

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This is class #2 God did redeem
His Son.

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All right, so the game plan
right now is to have a look at

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really finish up part of the
first class, and then we’ll look

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at what God did with his Son and
redeeming his own Son, Jesus

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Christ.
So we finished off that first

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class going back to a lot of the
Sunday school material that

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probably many of you have looked
at for many years and read.

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But it’s good to review those
passages to see the whole

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picture of what God has done and
really and appreciate the love

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of God.
So you end up then with the fact

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that what God considers is he
looks at sin over all, not just

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the personal sins that we
commit, but when the Bible

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refers to sin, that we are no
longer slaves of sin.

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Paul’s treating sin as though
it’s like a king, it’s like a

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master that you can serve, and
he’s looking at sin and its

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whole process.
So what God did then is that

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when nobody else could save, God
sent forth his Son and sent him

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to save all of us.
So when Paul is, as he points

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out in Romans 1 and Romans 2,
Paul lays out a wonderful case

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of the fact that no Jew could
save themselves, no Gentile

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could save themselves, that all
the earth was held guilty before

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God.
And so he points out in verse 9,

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what then?
Are we better than they?

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We Jews he’s talking about, are
we better?

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Than them no, not at all.
For we have previously charged

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that both Jews and Greeks, they
are all under sin.

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All of us are under this and and
he.

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Sees.
This sin as the

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all-encompassing, the root and
the ’cause as it is written.

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And he goes back and shows them
from their Old Testament

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Scriptures.
This is what the Bible had said

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all along.
There is none righteous, no, not

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one.
There is none who understands.

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There is none who seeks after
God.

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They have all turned aside.
They have all together become

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unprofitable.
There is none who does good.

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No, not one.
And So what God did, brother and

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his sisters, and His love, His
compassion, His kindness, His

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mercy.
When he realized that nobody

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would ever be able to rise up to
be the Redeemer, He sent forth

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his Son.
And that’s what our God did.

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He intervened in the problem and
realized that we needed help or

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as Isaiah 59 points out, when
dealing with all of our

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transgressions and and and the
whole chapter is showing how our

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natural tendency is to get all
hung up in ritualism and what

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real, you know, real giving our
life to God is really all about.

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But he talks about our
transgressions in verse 12 are

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multiplied before you and our
sins testify against us.

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Our transgressions are with us,
and As for our iniquities, we

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know them.
But he ends up that section

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there in verse 16, when he saw
that there was no man and

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wondered that there was no
intercessor.

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Therefore his own arm brought
salvation for him, and his own,

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his own righteousness, it
sustained him.

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And so that’s what God did.
That’s what our loving heavenly

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Father did.
When there was none who could

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save us, He sent forth His Son
and he sent his Son then to deal

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with as Paul says, he condemned
sin, the cause and the effect,

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the root and the personal
transgressions.

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He condemned them in the flesh
of Jesus Christ.

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And what God has done then,
brothers and sisters, with that

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act is provided us with the
moral power to conquer sin.

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This is why the cross Paul would
say that, you know, I decided to

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know nothing among you but Jesus
Christ and him crucified, or

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what he would say is, is the
power of the cross.

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This is the power that this
event has on our life.

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So what God did then is He
decided, all right, we need

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help.
None of these people are going

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to be able to save themselves.
6000 years the angels had worked

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with men weren’t able to provide
a Savior.

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And so God sent forth His Son.
And in John 1, the Word was sent

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forth and the Word became flesh
in verse 14, and it dwelt among

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us.
We beheld His glory, the glory

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as the only begotten of the
Father, full of grace and truth,

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because Jesus came then, having
come from his Father.

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And now this bias to sin is now
being counteracted by a bias to

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love a Father.
And God sent forth his Son and

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the Word was made flesh.
Because now we have one, one of

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our race who has the potential
to actually defeat the devil, to

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defeat all of sin.
The nature itself that that that

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causes them and the personal
transgressions.

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Or as Hebrews 2 puts it, when
Paul’s showing how it was so

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essential that Jesus Christ come
in our nature, that he be one of

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us who had like the devil in him
like we do.

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In chapter 1 of Hebrews, he
shows how the angels couldn’t

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save you.
As great as they were, they

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could not save you, because they
don’t have this, They don’t

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share this nature with us.
But Jesus Christ did.

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And in as much as the children
have partaken of flesh and

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blood, He himself likewise
shared in the same that through

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death He might destroy him who
had the power of death.

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And when he uses that phrase
that through death, he’s looking

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at the whole process of the
death of Christ.

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He’s looking at what Peter would
say, that when he was reviled,

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he didn’t revile in return.
When he was threatened, he

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didn’t suffer, but he took the
nature that we have, this nature

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that’s so biased to sin, and he
took it up to the cross, nailed

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it to the tree, and God
condemned sin and the body of

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his Son.
God won the victory that day,

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and Jesus Christ cooperated with
it.

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They destroyed the devil that
was in him and because he did

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that, he is now able to release
those who through fear of death

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were all their lifetime subject
to bondage.

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That’s why in the Bible it’s
presented so much that he did it

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for us.
He did it for his brethren, for

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his family.
He knew it was the only way to

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redeem us was that one of the
race had to take the devil to

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the tree and nail it to the tree
and, and declare the Father

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right for all the things that he
had done.

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And because he’s done that now
he has released us from the

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power of sin and God can
resurrect us from the dead and

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grant immortality to all those
who are in Christ Jesus, who are

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really in Christ Jesus.
And again, not legally, but they

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they lead a life, a life of
living in Christ Jesus.

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So if you had the job of
explaining, it’s always fun to

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look at concepts like this that
if you were going to explain

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God’s plan of redemption, and
now I ask you to explain it to

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me, but I’m not going to let you
use words like sacrifices and

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offerings and all those common
terms that we love to use.

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When we go to explain about the
sacrifice of Christ, of God’s

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plan of redemption, you’re going
to explain it.

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You can’t use the terms of the
law of Moses.

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You can’t go back to the shadows
and describe it with the

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shadows.
I want you to.

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Really explain the plan of
redemption.

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Where would you go and how would
you do that?

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Has somebody already done that
for us?

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That’s the first question I want
to know, Has somebody already

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done that?
And what happens in our

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community, brother and sisters,
is when we go to explain God’s

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redemptive plan, we immediately
want to talk about sacrifices

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and offerings, and we want to go
to the language of the law.

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That is our natural tendency,
but it’s actually possible to

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explain it without all of that,
because the law was only

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shadows.
It was only shadows of the

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reality.
It wasn’t the reality itself.

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So when the apostle Paul penned
the letter to the Romans, did

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you realize that he wrote his
exposition of the atonement

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without talking about sacrifices
and offerings and the devil?

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Do you ever notice that he
purposely leaves those out?

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He puts them in, in Hebrews.
Oh, sure.

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He, you know, he destroyed him
who had the power of death.

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That is the devil.
He doesn’t mention the devil in

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Romans because that was too
confusing to people.

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He doesn’t mention sacrifices
when he writes the letter to the

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Romans, and he doesn’t mention
offerings.

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And instead, he gives us a
straightforward exposition of

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what God really did in Christ
Jesus.

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And after you study Romans, then
you can go look at Hebrews and

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find out, well, here’s how he
then shows that this fulfilled

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the Old Testament shadows.
But it’s totally backwards to

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try to do it the other way.
And what we end up doing is in

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our community is we end up
trying to force the work that

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God was doing back into the
shadows and misunderstand that.

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Wait a minute.
The shadows were just trying to

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show different aspects of the
real work that God did in his

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Son.
So it’s a great place to go is

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to go to the book of Romans if
you want to study the atonement

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today.
That’s Paul’s straightforward

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exposition on what God really
did.

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In fact, you’ve never noticed
when he actually does mention a

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sacrifice.
Where’s the first time he brings

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up the word sacrifice in the
book of Romans, chapter 12 way

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into chapter 12?
And what kind of sacrifice is

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it?
Present your bodies as a living

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sacrifice, holy and acceptable
to God, which is your reasonable

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service.
See, Paul got this really good.

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He understood it so well, and he
was able to deal with both Jews

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and Gentiles and argue on his
case in both arenas because he

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understood it so well.
It’s just fun to watch him just

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just pour out the Scriptures the
way he does and explain it in a

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straightforward way.
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redemptive plan, what God was
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about your your preconceived
ideas about sacrifices and

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offerings for a minute, really
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of sin.
That’s God’s goal.

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He wants to, he’s going to beat
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He’s going to defeat Amalek in
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create a community, a family for
him which had totally given up

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on sin.
He wants to redeem these

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children that he has from death.
That’s part of his goal, and

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he’s going to do it by an actual
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Somebody is going to actually
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death.
That’s the goal.

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He has to have someone declare
him right, declare the

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righteousness of God.
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voluntarily overcome and destroy
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This is his game plan that he
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This would have to be someone
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that God is right, His way is
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commit totally to accepting the

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will of God.
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swallowed up in the will of God,
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life that way in obedience to
God and always doing the will of

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his Father.
No, that’s what we’ve got in

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Christ.
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That’s what he did.
So he’d finish it then with a

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blood shedding death that
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declared God right.
That’s what he wants.

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He wants a public demonstration
to show the world that God was

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right in putting us and
condemning this race to death

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and requiring that we commit to
joining Christ and his death to

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sin.
This was the decision that the

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Father had made, and this is
what we cooperate with in our

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baptism.
So his obedient life then was

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going to show, really tell all
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children live.
This is the way we’re supposed

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to live as members of His
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And his obedient death was going
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So you have both aspects in the
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The other one is demonstrating
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didn’t revile in return.
You live a life.

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This is a life to be lived
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this was all going to be real.
This is not shadows.

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This is not sacrifices and
offerings and all of that kind

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of legalistic stuff under the
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This was going to be a real
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righteousness of God, and that’s
what he was after, a real

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destroying of the devil.
Somebody is really going to do

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it and his bloodshedding death
was required by God for sins,

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public condemnation.
That’s what it was going to do.

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That’s why there was a
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Sin was going to be destroyed.
And we’ll look at that tomorrow

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morning in the exhortation.
See, it isn’t so much the fact

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that that Christ died and you’ll
notice the gospel writers, they

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never stressed like all the
torture that he went through and

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all the things that go that are
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Instead, they don’t look at it
from the perspective of the

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people who looked at him and
said he’s a criminal, we should

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kill him.
He deserves to be punished.

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The Bible doesn’t present him
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And instead the Bible says look
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What God and his Son did is they
took the devil to the cross and

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nailed it up there and crucified
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That’s what they did.
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All those other people thought
they were treating him like a

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Sinner.
They thought he deserved it.

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And God says, Oh no, that’s not
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I’m destroying sin and I’m going
to save all.

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Those people who.
Look up in faith and say that’s

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what I want too.
That’s how simple the atonement

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really is.
Brother and sisters.

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He just joined with Christ and a
death like his and walk out and

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a life like his.
This is what saves us today.

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This is what the
Christadelphians have understood

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as a community for all these
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So he declared God right, that
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sentence on, on sin, on the root
and the cause was just and fair.

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That’s what the clearing the
righteousness of God is really

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all about.
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So when you look at, well, why
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Why did it have to be somebody
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Well, that makes the issue
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It’s not, you know, when, when
God was trying to illustrate the

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concept so nobody could miss it.
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It was the human nature.
It’s the root cause that Christ

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bore in himself.
He had this in him too.

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That’s what was being condemned
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This is what he did up on a
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Sure, he he didn’t deserve to
die like that because he had

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never sinned.
But what he did is he said my

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father’s rights.
This is what must happen to this

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body of sin, this nature that’s
so prone to sin and all the

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things that it wants to do the
whole package of.

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Sin is going to die up there in
the tree, and to remove sin from

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God’s children, He had to deal
with the root cause so that He

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can righteously forgive our
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This is how God worked out a
plan and otherwise you start

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looking at how can he just like
for all of us in here and

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myself, we all sin.
We all make so many mistakes and

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God hates sin.
So how can he righteously just

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look at us and say, I’m not
going to hold those sins against

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you or against you or you or you
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He doesn’t just overlook sin.
He convinces us to join him in

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his perspective so that we hate
sin like he does and we join the

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work of Christ and we are in him
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Then I can then righteously
forgive your sins.

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You’ve joined me.
You’ve like joined his team and

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you accept the way he looks at
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And now he can forgive us by his
grace through Jesus Christ our

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Lord.
Now you’ll notice when you

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describe it that way, it’s the,
there’s nothing about punishment

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going on in the crucifixion of
Christ and, and, and God’s

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destruction of sin.
So often when we describe it, we

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want to use the words
punishment.

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We want to pull in the words
deserve.

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And we do this.
We this is what we do sometimes

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when we’re explaining this.
But you’ll notice when Paul

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writes about it in Romans 1 to
8, he doesn’t use these words.

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He doesn’t talk about us
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And that this is what Jesus
Christ was doing is showing us

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the punishment that we deserve.
You won’t find that in Paul’s

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exposition, but you’ll find that
in the writings in our

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community.
You won’t find this idea of, of,

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of Christ deserving it because
he had our nature, that he

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deserved to be up there on the
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And that isn’t in Paul’s
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And it wasn’t just for us,
although the Bible emphasizes

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that over and over again, that
that was the motive of Jesus

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Christ.
His motive was to save us.

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That’s why he went through it.
It probably wasn’t worth it for

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himself, but he had all of us in
mind and he wanted to please his

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father and he went through it
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And that’s what the Bible
emphasizes as his motive,

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because that’s what will
convince us to do it too.

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I bet a lot of you over there,
especially as younger people,

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sometimes you start looking at
your life and you think, is this

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really worth it?
Is it really worth it for me to

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go through this just for me?
And some of you will end up

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analyzing that and say, no, it
isn’t worth it.

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But when you’re married to a
spouse and you have children and

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you have an ecclesia and a
family that you care about, all

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of a sudden you realize it’s not
just about me.

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It’s about all those other
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And that’s what motivated Christ
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And you’ll see that’s the
emphasis all the way through the

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New Testament.
He did it for us because that’s

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what is the motivating power.
This is the power of the cross,

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and he went through it himself.
So what was the purpose then of

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all those sacrifices?
Why did God have people going

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through this for years, for
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They went through all those
animal sacrifices.

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What were they supposed to do?
Well, they were shadows.

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That’s what they were.
They were shadows predicting a

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time that was coming, and they
were shadows that show different

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aspects of the atoning work of
Jesus Christ.

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They were shadows that were
supposed to teach people about

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the destruction of the devil of
sin was going to be destroyed.

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But Christ’s death wasn’t simply
the best sacrifice, brothers and

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sisters.
That’s not what he was.

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Oh no.
He was the real work.

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That sacrifice was designed to
teach by shadow.

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That’s really what it was all
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So when you see Jesus Christ up
on the pole and you see our New

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Testament expositors talking
about that teaching us.

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That we must.
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Then you go back to the animal
sacrifices and realize that when

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you laid your hands on an animal
and you brought your animal to

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the high priest or to the priest
that was there, and you picked

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out an animal that was without
blemish, without blemish, that’s

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not me, that’s Jesus Christ.
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high priest or the priest, and
you lay your hands on that

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animal and you acknowledge the
fact that that man is going to

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die and I’m going to die with
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This is Romans 6.
This is what Paul explains in

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Romans 6 that animal sacrifice
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It’s what our baptism does.
You identify with Him, you are

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found in Him, not having a
righteousness of our own, but

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one that’s based on faith, that
we commit to die with Christ, to

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sin, and because of that, God.
Brings us into his family and he

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forgives us of all our mistakes
and this is what God was trying

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to teach all those years and
instead people turned it into

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some substitutionary.
Thing while the animal dies

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instead of me and I’m free to go
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And they always had this
substitution stuff and we don’t

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want that coming into our
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That’s not part of the truth at
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You won’t ever find a New
Testament writer ever using

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those words about animal.
Sacrifice or the sacrifice of

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Jesus Christ?
It was never about substitute or

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dying instead of you.
It was always that He died as an

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example, showing us how to live.
That’s how they always explain

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it.
And that’s what God was trying

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to do with the shadows.
But people misunderstood the

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shadows.
So don’t forget the shadows in

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the law.
They really were just shadows.

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They were not the very image.
That’s Paul’s words.

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They were not the very image and
they could never make the

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worshippers perfect.
Why not?

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Because he says it couldn’t
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Your conscience.
You go through all those

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procedures and walk away and
think, oh, you know, that’s just

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an animal, doesn’t affect me,
has no moral impact on your

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life.
It doesn’t convince you to die

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to sin, doesn’t convince you to
join with Christ when you’re

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just doing it that way.
It could never affect the

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conscience of the worshippers,
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But the sacrifice of Christ, oh
boy, that better affect our

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consciences, because if that one
doesn’t, there’s no hope of God

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saving us.
This was his most powerful

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motive he could ever give us to
change our lives.

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The sacrifice of his Son, the
giving of his Son, of putting

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sin to death.
So the 3D shadows, when you look

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back at them, you can see how
shadows can sometimes help you

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create an image.
But I’ll just show you here,

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what’s the problem with the law?
So you look at a shadow of a

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tree like that and you try to
figure out, all right, what kind

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of tree is that from the shadow?
I’m only going to give you 1

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shadow.
And you got to guess and see, oh

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really?
That actually came from an oak

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tree.
So then you look at another one

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and you say, ah, extra clues
this time.

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So by looking at different
aspects of the law, what

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sometimes happened when you did
an offering, one kind of

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offering and then another one.
And then there were the feast

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days, and then there was a day
of atonement and then this.

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And that’s right.
And there’s all these different

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components that God put into the
law so that you could see

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different shadows of the real
work that he was aiming at.

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And the more clues you get, the
better three-dimensional picture

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you can create about what this
really is.

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And that’s what he had hoped
would happen with the law.

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But the problem was the Jews
just took their law and they

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turned it into something for
which they could earn their

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salvation.
So you can see with that.

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See, some shadows are very
clear, maybe as to what you

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think they are.
Other times we need extra help.

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But the more detail and the more
angles you get, the better the

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three-dimensional picture.
And the better you knew the law

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and tried to figure out what it
was doing, the better you could

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do at understanding the shadows.
The problem with the shadows is

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that when you see one shadow, it
can sometimes be very

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misleading.
And as a community, we sometimes

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do this and misunderstanding or
misapplying the law.

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So you look at that shadow up
there and you say, I know what

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that is.
And then you find out, oops,

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wasn’t quite what I thought.
And that’s the problem with

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shadows, and that’s why you have
to be very careful that we don’t

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build our exposition of the
atonement from the shadows today

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when we have Paul’s and Peters
and James’s three-dimensional

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exposition of what this really
was designed to mean.

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So we got to go back and look at
what actually happened.

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So when you start looking at
Jesus Christ, for example, in

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relation to God saving his Son,
Jesus Christ didn’t need a

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sacrifice.
I’ll say that again.

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He didn’t need a sacrifice.
He was the real work that the

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shadows were designed to teach
He, He didn’t need a sacrifice.

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He was the sacrifice.
He was the reality that all

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those animal sacrifice were
trying to teach about shadows of

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the one who would come and put
the devil to death, put sin to

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death, and declare God right.
So in the letter to the Hebrews,

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Paul uses all that language of
the law to show the Jews that

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the law had predicted that
better sacrifices were coming,

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as he says.
But in the letter to the Romans,

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Paul then gives his exposition
without even using their

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language of the law, and he
confronts them without using

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sacrifices and offerings and
talks about what God did.

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God condemned sin in the flesh
of Jesus.

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Christ doesn’t use the word
sacrifice because sacrifice is a

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shadow of that reality.
And it’s it’s fun to look at

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those differences because this
is how you start to understand

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the way Paul saw at least as you
look at Romans and compare it

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with Hebrews.
Don’t make Jesus fit the law.

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He was the reality that the
whole law was actually based on.

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So on the cross when we, when we
give our expositions of the

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atonement, we explain God’s plan
of redemption and we see Jesus

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up there on the pole and
suffering away and sin being put

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to death.
Christ wasn’t suffering somebody

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else’s punishment.
He wasn’t suffering your

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punishment.
The Bible never says that.

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No, no New Testament writers
ever say that.

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He was suffering the punishment
that you deserve.

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And yet sometimes you’ll hear
people say that, especially in

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our Christian community today.
They like that because then they

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say, well, because you deserve
that punishment and he suffered

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it for you.
He’s your substitute.

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He took it in place of you.
But you won’t find Bible writers

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00:27:03,360 –> 00:27:06,040
talking about it like that.
And we don’t want to either.

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We don’t want to get into things
that our Bible expositors don’t

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use.
So he wasn’t suffering somebody

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else’s punishment.
He wasn’t illustrating the

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punishment that sinners deserve.
You won’t find that either.

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Even though it’s true that yes,
we deserve to die, that isn’t

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why God put him on the cross.
God put him there to condemn

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sin.
That’s what he’s there for.

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Even though it’s true that
sinners deserve death, you won’t

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find Peter, Paul, James, none of
them look at Jesus Christ on the

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pole and say that was teaching
us what we deserve.

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You won’t find that.
Go ahead and search your Bible

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all over the place.
It isn’t there because that’s

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not the lesson God’s trying to
establish.

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You won’t find that He.
That that there are Bible

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00:27:47,120 –> 00:27:49,760
expositors ever say that he
deserved the cross because he

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had human nature?
Where does some New Testament

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writer ever say that they don’t
Because he didn’t.

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Deserve it because he had our
nature.

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It wasn’t about punishment and
deserve.

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It was about a real work of
destroying sin.

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It’s not about punishment,
deserve, and all those kind of

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concepts.
And he wasn’t going through some

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kind of ritual or ceremony to
save us.

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There’s nothing ritualistic
about this.

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This was a real.
Condemning of sin really.

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God destroyed him that had the
power of death.

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That is the devil.
He condemned sin in the body of

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his son.
That’s what God really did in.

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Christ.
And So what Christ shows us is

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he shows us how to live the
righteousness of God in our

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daily lives.
It was all about changing how we

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live.
And God’s given us the motive

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power to change so that we are
no longer slaves of sin, but we

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become slaves of righteousness.
So Christ’s death to sin, when

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you look at our New Testament
writers, look at how they they

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refer to it, you’ll find it in
Hebrews 2 that he destroyed him

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that had the power of death.
That is the devil.

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First John three, He was
manifested to take away our

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sins.
First John 3 and 8 For this

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purpose the Son of God was
manifested, that he might

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destroy the works of the devil.
In Hebrews 9 and 26, he’s

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appeared to put away sin by the
sacrifice of himself.

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John one in 29, the Lamb of God
who takes away the sin of the

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world and first Peter 2 you
know, he himself bore our sins

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in his own body on the tree that
we might die to sin and live to

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righteousness.
It’s all this is how our New

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Testament writers use this.
It’s all about putting sin to

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death, that God can forgive our
sins and that we lead a

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different kind of life.
That’s what it was about.

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And now you can see why it was
essential that Christ not be an

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Angel and that he not have some
angelic nature, that he not be

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some foreign God, the God that
came down and took on a human

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body.
He had had to be one of us.

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He had to have weak human nature
so he could really die to sin,

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as Paul says, he died to sin
once in, in Romans 6, in first,

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in the first, in second
Corinthians 5 and 21, he was

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made sin for us, you know,
passages that we’re familiar

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with.
And in, in first Peter two, he

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bore our sins in his body.
Hebrews 9.

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He was offered to bear the sins
of many, but he will come again

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not to bear sin.
And in Romans 8, God condemned

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sin in the flesh.
So Christ had to have this weak

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human nature so that he could
win his victory.

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So when you look at what was
going on, how God set out to

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condemn sin in the flesh, in the
body of Jesus Christ, his Son,

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you got the conflict that
develops within Mary.

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Because within Christ, because
from Mary, he gets the physical

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defilement, He inherits
mortality.

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He inherits this nature that’s
so prone to sin.

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But from God, what he gets, the
component that he gets from his

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Father is he gets a physical
potential for perfect obedience.

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Didn’t mean he had to be
perfectly obedience, but he got

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the potential that none of the
rest of the race ever had of

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becoming the savior of the race.
And so morning by morning, the

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scriptures say God wakened him.
He also had a natural bias in

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some way to his dad.
I think that probably was

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important and in some way that
to help him in his fight against

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sin.
And this is what God did then as

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he created in his son a
component.

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He has a member of our race now
who has our nature, who has

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mortality, who has a bias to
sin, a proneness to sin that we

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feel so that he can feel our
temptations.

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He knows what it’s like to look
at something and actually want

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it or to dream about something
and possibly think about having

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00:31:35,000 –> 00:31:36,920
it.
And yet at the same time, he

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00:31:36,920 –> 00:31:40,320
inherits from his father this
ability that the Father can

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00:31:40,320 –> 00:31:43,120
develop in him of overcoming
sin.

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And so some people look at that
and they say, all right, this

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does that mean that Jesus had an
unfair advantage?

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00:31:49,560 –> 00:31:51,680
He had something that you don’t
have.

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He had the physical potential to
develop perfect obedience.

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Nobody in this room has that.
So is that unfair?

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Well, you know when you look at
that really, and you think, all

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00:32:03,560 –> 00:32:05,760
right, Christ had that, I don’t
have that.

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Would you want laid on you the
fact that you could never sin?

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You can never make one mistake.
You are everybody in the whole

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00:32:15,520 –> 00:32:19,640
room and the whole city and the
whole community for thousands of

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00:32:19,640 –> 00:32:21,960
years is counting on you to make
it.

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00:32:22,360 –> 00:32:25,240
And you look at that and say,
was that an unfair advantage?

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00:32:25,640 –> 00:32:28,040
That was a huge stressor in his
life.

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00:32:28,040 –> 00:32:31,880
The pressure was enormous.
And so, you know, it’s that’s an

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00:32:31,880 –> 00:32:35,040
important concept to real about
realize about Jesus Christ.

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Sometimes as younger people, we
sometimes look at that and say,

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00:32:37,800 –> 00:32:40,360
well, that’s not fair.
He had something I didn’t have,

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00:32:40,640 –> 00:32:44,800
but look at what was required of
him that is not required of us.

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And he wasn’t a Superman.
That’s another concept I

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remember as a younger person
growing up as a Christadelphian

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and a Christadelphian Sunday
school with great parents who

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taught me the truth.
But at the same time, I had a

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natural tendency to think that
Jesus Christ easily overcame

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sin.
I used to read the temptation in

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the in the garden, in the
wilderness and you know, if the

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you know, turning stones into
bread.

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No problem, Bible.
Passage immediately, you know,

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you shall not live by bread
alone, but by every word that

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proceeds in the mouth of God.
Not next temptation, you know,

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00:33:15,400 –> 00:33:17,920
and that’s sort of like the way
I viewed him like a Superman.

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We’re just like temptations
bounced off of Him easily.

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And it’s not until you’re
reading the Psalms so you see

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him in the garden that you
realize what a struggle it was.

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And you see that human side of
Christ, of what He was going

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00:33:29,560 –> 00:33:33,680
through day by day, learning
obedience by the things that he

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00:33:33,680 –> 00:33:36,440
suffered and he heard for his
godly fear.

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And he’s crying to his Father
for help.

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This whole subject also helps
understand why Jesus Christ was

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baptized.
Sometimes our kids ask us that.

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They wonder like, why was Christ
baptized?

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He didn’t have any sins.
Because we say today, you know,

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why?
Why are we getting baptized?

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00:33:51,360 –> 00:33:53,360
So some young person over there
decides they want to get

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00:33:53,360 –> 00:33:55,400
baptized.
So you’re going to get baptized.

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Why do you want to be baptized?
That’s a common question that

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00:33:57,960 –> 00:34:00,280
they ask at baptizal interviews.
So you got to know the answer to

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that one.
So why do you want to be

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00:34:01,920 –> 00:34:04,000
baptized?
And you say, well, because I

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00:34:04,000 –> 00:34:07,440
want to be forgiven of my sins.
And then you think, well, why

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00:34:07,440 –> 00:34:10,120
was Jesus baptized?
He didn’t have any sins to be

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00:34:10,120 –> 00:34:13,840
forgiven of.
But when you look at sin, as

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John Thomas explained it, the
whole component of sin, when you

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look at the root and the ’cause
then Christ had no personal

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00:34:22,159 –> 00:34:25,080
sins.
So was it really just an example

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to us?
Because that’s the next thing

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that people then say, well, he
did it for us so that we would

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00:34:29,679 –> 00:34:33,120
follow in the steps.
And we sometimes fail to realize

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that look at he was really
fighting this battle.

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00:34:35,960 –> 00:34:39,159
He’s fighting this battle.
And it’s more intense in him

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00:34:39,159 –> 00:34:42,120
than it is in us.
He can’t sin once.

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00:34:42,120 –> 00:34:45,679
He can’t give in.
And so much was required of him.

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00:34:46,080 –> 00:34:48,920
And so you find that John the
Baptist said that I need to be

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00:34:48,920 –> 00:34:51,000
baptized by you.
And are you coming to me?

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00:34:51,480 –> 00:34:53,679
You know?
And this is the one who he said

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00:34:53,679 –> 00:34:56,320
was spoken to by the prophet
Isaiah, the voice of one crying

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00:34:56,320 –> 00:34:58,200
in the wilderness.
And prepare the way of the Lord,

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00:34:58,200 –> 00:35:01,760
and make his path straight.
So what Jesus Christ did when he

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00:35:01,760 –> 00:35:04,760
went down into the waters of
baptism is he understood the

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00:35:04,760 –> 00:35:07,240
whole process of the devil in
sin.

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00:35:07,560 –> 00:35:11,320
And he went down there as a
public testimony to his friends,

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00:35:11,320 –> 00:35:15,320
to the world, to his Father, to
the angels in heaven, that he

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00:35:15,320 –> 00:35:20,160
was committed to declare God
right for his condemnation of

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00:35:20,160 –> 00:35:25,160
sin, of the root and the cause.
And because of that, the Father

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00:35:25,160 –> 00:35:29,440
opened the heavens and was so
pleased and said, this is my

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00:35:29,440 –> 00:35:31,360
beloved Son.
I mean, this is what he been

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00:35:31,360 –> 00:35:35,000
waiting for, for all these
years, for 6000 years for

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someone to declare him right.
And Jesus Christ did that.

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00:35:39,480 –> 00:35:42,560
John the Baptist had been crying
that all flesh is grass.

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He was, you know, referring back
to Isaiah 40 right there.

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00:35:45,680 –> 00:35:48,040
What shall I cry?
All flesh is grass and it’s

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00:35:48,160 –> 00:35:50,280
loveliness is like the flower of
the field.

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The grass Withers, the flower
fades because the breath of the

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Lord blows upon it.
Surely the people are grass, the

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00:35:56,440 –> 00:35:59,640
grass Withers, the flower fades,
but the Word of God stands

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forever.
So Jesus Christ comes along at

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that point and says to John,
John, we’ve got to do this, I’ve

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got to do this.
Thus it becometh us to fulfill

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00:36:08,240 –> 00:36:11,440
all righteousness.
So he declared that his dad was

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00:36:11,440 –> 00:36:15,920
right for the whole process of
how he had condemned sin and all

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00:36:15,920 –> 00:36:19,480
the things that God had done.
He was right to condemn sin to

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00:36:19,480 –> 00:36:22,920
death, sinners to death.
God was right to require us to

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00:36:22,920 –> 00:36:26,320
put the old man to death.
Christ was committed to doing

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00:36:26,320 –> 00:36:28,720
that.
And so his declaration in

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baptism was simply what he would
finally do at the cross.

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We just were looking at that
last week when Brother Jim

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00:36:35,080 –> 00:36:38,920
Harper was given his classes up
at VIBC, that this was where the

689
00:36:38,920 –> 00:36:41,400
process started.
He went out there, went down

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00:36:41,400 –> 00:36:45,720
into the water, and he declared
God’s right, the old man must

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00:36:45,720 –> 00:36:48,400
die.
And that was a commitment then.

692
00:36:48,400 –> 00:36:51,160
And it was a commitment that at
the end he would do it on the

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00:36:51,160 –> 00:36:55,240
cross, which was why God was so
pleased with his condemnation of

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00:36:55,240 –> 00:36:58,240
sin as the acknowledgement of
the of the Son that the Father

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00:36:58,240 –> 00:37:01,360
was right.
So why we’re baptized, we get

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00:37:01,360 –> 00:37:04,200
baptized and we tell our young
people, you’re baptized with the

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00:37:04,200 –> 00:37:08,520
forgiveness of your sins.
But what you want to remember is

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00:37:08,520 –> 00:37:13,040
the whole concept of baptism
isn’t just about the forgiveness

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00:37:13,040 –> 00:37:15,880
of our sins.
It’s about the fact that we are

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00:37:15,880 –> 00:37:19,720
committed to die with Christ to
sin.

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00:37:20,360 –> 00:37:22,000
That’s what we’re committing to
in baptism.

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00:37:22,000 –> 00:37:24,800
It isn’t just so that we can be
forgiven of our sins.

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00:37:25,040 –> 00:37:28,400
It’s so that we will tell our
friends, our neighbors, those

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00:37:28,400 –> 00:37:32,200
around us, the angels in heaven,
God in Christ himself, that we

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00:37:32,200 –> 00:37:35,520
are making a covenant, a
commitment that we are going to

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00:37:35,520 –> 00:37:38,240
put sin to death.
That’s what we do.

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00:37:38,480 –> 00:37:43,320
And because of that, God can
righteously forgive our sins.

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00:37:43,560 –> 00:37:46,640
That’s what we do.
We join with Christ in a death

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00:37:46,640 –> 00:37:49,400
like His, and the death like
his.

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00:37:49,400 –> 00:37:53,680
Isn’t his crucifixion on the
pole His death that that Paul’s

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00:37:53,680 –> 00:37:56,400
referring to is his death to
sin.

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00:37:56,720 –> 00:38:00,160
God condemned sin in the flesh
of Jesus Christ.

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00:38:00,360 –> 00:38:03,040
It’s not some torturous death
that Paul’s referring to.

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00:38:03,040 –> 00:38:07,160
He’s talking about the victory
that God and Christ won when

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00:38:07,160 –> 00:38:09,400
they put sin to death.
So when you.

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00:38:09,400 –> 00:38:12,000
Look at Jesus Christ and you try
to figure out, well, why was he

717
00:38:12,000 –> 00:38:15,000
doing this?
Well, he inherited from Mary the

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00:38:15,000 –> 00:38:18,880
bodies that we have mortality
and this nature that’s that’s

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00:38:18,880 –> 00:38:22,560
prone to sin.
And so God designed a plan of

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00:38:22,560 –> 00:38:27,160
redemption where he would take
one of our race, one person and

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00:38:27,160 –> 00:38:31,160
really save that one person.
He would work in that one

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00:38:31,160 –> 00:38:36,840
person’s life and totally defeat
sin and then put that person up

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00:38:36,880 –> 00:38:40,840
as the public example of this is
what God really wants.

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00:38:41,160 –> 00:38:42,720
This is what God’s children’s
do.

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00:38:42,960 –> 00:38:46,920
They defeat sin and and they
live lives of righteousness to

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00:38:46,920 –> 00:38:50,400
God and declare God right in
everything that he asked.

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00:38:50,720 –> 00:38:53,760
God says, look at this is what
we’re going to do and so he sets

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00:38:53,800 –> 00:38:57,840
out to save his son.
This is not from the angels

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00:38:57,840 –> 00:39:00,960
perspective when when Jesus
Christ was born, this was the

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00:39:00,960 –> 00:39:04,960
focal point of 6000 years.
We have to save Messiah.

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00:39:05,160 –> 00:39:07,640
He’s got to make it.
And then the goal would be that

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00:39:07,640 –> 00:39:10,040
the rest of the family be saved
in him.

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So as as Robert Roberts put it
in the law of Moses, when he

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when he wrote that, he actually
made a comment on this concept

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00:39:16,520 –> 00:39:18,800
about what it means that Christ
died for us.

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00:39:19,240 –> 00:39:22,120
And he said there that the
statement that he did these

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00:39:22,120 –> 00:39:27,400
things for us has blinded many
to the fact that he did them for

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00:39:27,520 –> 00:39:32,000
himself first, for without which
he could not have done them for

739
00:39:32,000 –> 00:39:34,240
us.
For it was by doing them for

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00:39:34,240 –> 00:39:39,240
himself that he did them for us,
and he did them for us only in

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00:39:39,240 –> 00:39:43,720
his, as we may become a part of
Him in merging our individual,

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00:39:43,800 –> 00:39:48,000
our individualities in Him by
taking part in his death.

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00:39:48,480 –> 00:39:51,720
And again, he’s not talking
about his torturous death on a

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00:39:51,720 –> 00:39:54,400
cross.
He’s talking about taking part

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00:39:54,400 –> 00:39:58,040
in his death to sin.
This is how Paul would put it,

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00:39:58,520 –> 00:40:01,800
and putting on his name and
sharing his life afterwards.

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00:40:01,960 –> 00:40:06,160
He is, as it were, a center of
healthy life in which we must

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00:40:06,160 –> 00:40:08,640
become incorporate before we can
be saved.

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00:40:09,040 –> 00:40:11,680
So you can see that as, as
Robert Roberts saw it, it’s this

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00:40:11,680 –> 00:40:13,800
concept of doing it for us, for
us, for us.

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00:40:13,800 –> 00:40:17,320
As it’s so stressed in the New
Testament, it can sometimes lead

752
00:40:17,320 –> 00:40:20,560
people down a pathway where they
end up thinking, well, God

753
00:40:20,560 –> 00:40:22,320
didn’t really need to do it for
him.

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00:40:22,960 –> 00:40:24,880
But he did.
He was born with our nature.

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00:40:24,880 –> 00:40:27,360
He had mortality.
He had a proneness to sin.

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00:40:27,640 –> 00:40:31,760
He needed salvation.
Christ needed to be saved from

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00:40:31,760 –> 00:40:35,800
this nature of sin.
And so God set up a plan to save

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00:40:35,800 –> 00:40:40,400
his Son and in saving his Son,
and the focal point was that he

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00:40:40,400 –> 00:40:42,400
would be saving the rest of the
race.

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00:40:42,640 –> 00:40:44,200
And that’s how Jesus Christ saw
it.

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00:40:44,360 –> 00:40:46,320
That’s why He went through it
for us.

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00:40:46,760 –> 00:40:49,000
I think you’ll see that Christ
never lost track of that

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00:40:49,000 –> 00:40:51,400
concept.
He never lost focus on the fact

764
00:40:51,400 –> 00:40:54,440
that He was going through it for
the group, for the good of the

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00:40:54,440 –> 00:40:56,680
group.
So that in Luke 18, when the

766
00:40:56,680 –> 00:40:59,440
ruler came to him and said, good
teacher, what shall I do to

767
00:40:59,440 –> 00:41:02,760
inherit eternal life?
Immediately his mind goes to the

768
00:41:02,760 –> 00:41:05,240
fact that, wait a minute, I’m
not good teacher.

769
00:41:05,480 –> 00:41:07,800
He says, why do you call me
good?

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00:41:07,800 –> 00:41:12,080
No one is good but one that is
God don’t end up putting me up

771
00:41:12,080 –> 00:41:14,800
there.
I’m in this because my father’s

772
00:41:14,800 –> 00:41:17,440
going to use me.
He’s going to save me so that I

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00:41:17,440 –> 00:41:20,600
can save the rest.
He understood he had the devil

774
00:41:20,600 –> 00:41:23,000
in him.
He had to have the devil in him

775
00:41:23,000 –> 00:41:26,640
because the victory had to be
won over sin over the root and

776
00:41:26,640 –> 00:41:30,520
the cause so that God could
condemn sin in the flesh of

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00:41:30,560 –> 00:41:33,160
Jesus Christ.
So he declared that God is the

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00:41:33,160 –> 00:41:36,400
only one who is good and don’t
end up thinking better of

779
00:41:36,400 –> 00:41:39,160
yourself.
Later on in the New Testament

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00:41:39,160 –> 00:41:42,120
when people got off the track on
this early on, this is what

781
00:41:42,120 –> 00:41:44,080
became known as the Antichrist
teaching.

782
00:41:44,080 –> 00:41:46,480
This is where the original
Antichrist stuff came from.

783
00:41:46,800 –> 00:41:50,040
In first John 4 John refers to
it that beloved don’t believe

784
00:41:50,040 –> 00:41:52,720
every spirit but test the
spirits whether they are of God

785
00:41:52,720 –> 00:41:56,040
because many false prophets have
gone out into the world and by

786
00:41:56,040 –> 00:41:57,960
this you will know the Spirit of
God.

787
00:41:58,160 –> 00:42:01,880
Every spirit that confesses that
Jesus Christ has come in the

788
00:42:01,880 –> 00:42:06,280
flesh is of God and every spirit
that does not confess that Jesus

789
00:42:06,280 –> 00:42:08,720
Christ has come in the flesh is
not of God.

790
00:42:09,040 –> 00:42:11,640
This is the spirit of Antichrist
of which you have heard.

791
00:42:11,640 –> 00:42:15,480
It was coming and is now already
in the world because people

792
00:42:15,480 –> 00:42:18,560
immediately got off the track on
this and thought that Jesus

793
00:42:18,560 –> 00:42:20,320
Christ really didn’t come in the
flesh.

794
00:42:20,840 –> 00:42:23,440
How in the world could a human
person ever be sinless?

795
00:42:23,640 –> 00:42:27,120
He must have been a God.
And they immediately came up

796
00:42:27,120 –> 00:42:29,400
with this idea that Christ was
different than us.

797
00:42:29,400 –> 00:42:32,520
He had some pre existent
existence and He had just come

798
00:42:32,520 –> 00:42:34,440
down and taken on a body for a
while.

799
00:42:34,440 –> 00:42:36,480
He didn’t really come in the
flesh.

800
00:42:36,760 –> 00:42:39,560
And when you go that route, you
take away the victory that was

801
00:42:39,560 –> 00:42:43,080
the great victory that God
accomplished of condemning sin

802
00:42:43,360 –> 00:42:47,120
in the body of Jesus Christ.
In Hebrews 9, when the apostle

803
00:42:47,120 –> 00:42:49,880
Paul refers to this and looking
at the shadows, because he’s

804
00:42:49,880 –> 00:42:52,520
building his case now on the
shadows of the law and saying

805
00:42:52,520 –> 00:42:54,760
here’s how the law foreshadowed
this.

806
00:42:55,280 –> 00:42:58,880
Christ came in Hebrews 9 at
verse 11 as high priest of the

807
00:42:58,880 –> 00:43:02,200
good things to come with the
greater and more perfect

808
00:43:02,200 –> 00:43:05,280
Tabernacle, not made with His
hands, that is, not of this

809
00:43:05,280 –> 00:43:09,080
creation, and not with the blood
of bulls or the blood of goats

810
00:43:09,080 –> 00:43:11,520
and calves, but with His own
blood.

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00:43:11,520 –> 00:43:16,320
He entered the most Holy once
for all, having obtained eternal

812
00:43:16,320 –> 00:43:18,880
redemption.
And some of your Bibles have

813
00:43:18,880 –> 00:43:21,720
those words for us in there, and
they really shouldn’t be there.

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00:43:21,840 –> 00:43:26,320
He entered into the holy place
force first for Himself to

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00:43:26,320 –> 00:43:31,080
obtain eternal redemption so
that He could in turn and

816
00:43:31,080 –> 00:43:35,000
incorporate and save all of
those who would be saved in Him.

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00:43:35,480 –> 00:43:37,240
The Greek there is some of the
expositors.

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00:43:37,240 –> 00:43:39,760
Notice is in the middle voice
right there indicating that the

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00:43:39,760 –> 00:43:41,760
action has to be applied to the
subject.

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00:43:41,760 –> 00:43:45,440
It’s not about us, it’s about
the fact that He went in to

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00:43:45,440 –> 00:43:49,680
obtain eternal redemption for
Himself so that it could be for

822
00:43:49,680 –> 00:43:53,480
all of us.
God had to save His Son first so

823
00:43:53,480 –> 00:43:56,600
that He could save the rest.
Now in covering this subject

824
00:43:56,600 –> 00:44:00,280
that way, this doesn’t eliminate
the concept that is many people

825
00:44:00,280 –> 00:44:03,760
have often wondered, well, would
God have put Jesus Christ

826
00:44:03,760 –> 00:44:06,200
through all of this if it wasn’t
for all of us?

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00:44:06,640 –> 00:44:08,760
And the Bible doesn’t comment on
that at all.

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00:44:09,200 –> 00:44:11,800
And you can speculate on that
for the rest of your life

829
00:44:11,800 –> 00:44:14,360
because you know, it’s just,
it’s, it’s almost one of those

830
00:44:14,360 –> 00:44:16,880
questions that you can ask that
it’s almost worthless because

831
00:44:16,880 –> 00:44:19,800
what’s the point?
What the Bible comments on is

832
00:44:19,800 –> 00:44:22,840
what we really have.
We have a race of people who are

833
00:44:22,840 –> 00:44:26,400
prone to sin, who inevitably
become sinners, who are born

834
00:44:26,400 –> 00:44:30,160
with mortality.
God wants to save some, He loves

835
00:44:30,160 –> 00:44:34,880
them, and so he has his Son come
in the likeness of sinful flesh

836
00:44:34,880 –> 00:44:39,160
and for sin and condemn sin in
the flesh of his Son.

837
00:44:39,520 –> 00:44:42,840
And his Bible doesn’t comment on
at all on what God would have

838
00:44:42,840 –> 00:44:45,480
done with Jesus if it hadn’t
been for us.

839
00:44:46,160 –> 00:44:49,280
In Hebrews 7, when Paul again is
looking at the the shadows of

840
00:44:49,280 –> 00:44:54,560
the law, he refers to in verse
27 that who does not need daily

841
00:44:54,560 –> 00:44:58,720
as those high priests to OfferUp
sacrifices first for his own

842
00:44:58,720 –> 00:45:01,960
sins and then for the peoples as
they did under the law.

843
00:45:01,960 –> 00:45:04,600
Where the high priest would do
that, he’d go in and 1st go and

844
00:45:04,600 –> 00:45:07,960
offer for his own sins, and then
he would go back later and offer

845
00:45:07,960 –> 00:45:12,320
for the sins of the people.
He says that this he did once

846
00:45:12,400 –> 00:45:17,760
for all, once for all, when he
offered up himself, for the law

847
00:45:17,760 –> 00:45:20,280
appoints his high priest, men
who have weaknesses, but the

848
00:45:20,280 –> 00:45:24,120
word of the oath, which came
after the law, appoints the Son

849
00:45:24,120 –> 00:45:28,280
who has been perfected forever.
Psalm 110, that you are a priest

850
00:45:28,280 –> 00:45:30,680
forever after the order of
Melchizedek.

851
00:45:30,960 –> 00:45:34,760
So he did this once for all.
Well, we’ll leave it there now

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00:45:34,760 –> 00:45:37,960
for Class 2.
And in Class 3, we come back,

853
00:45:37,960 –> 00:45:42,120
we’ll have a look at how God did
save Jesus Christ and how that

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00:45:42,120 –> 00:45:44,720
plan of redemption is available
for us too.

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