Dave Pogson – Atonement – Class 1

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What matter we have here is, has
been given quite a few times at

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the schools of the prophets.
They are groups, you’ve probably

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heard of them, particularly in
New South Wales where I I

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operated for a fair while and
recently once up here in in

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Brisbane.
Can everyone hear me?

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Do you know?
OK.

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And therefore the material is
essentially for young people, OK

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And it’s addressed particularly
to young people here, OK.

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And that doesn’t mean to say
that they the olds can’t

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participate in everything, but
they’ll be I’ll be covering a

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lot of stuff that some of the
olds now backwards, OK.

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And there’s still, there’ll be
little bits and pieces in there

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that might be a little bit new.
Or I don’t think he ever gets

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sick of going over the
attirement anyway, do you?

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OK, that’s good.
Good to get someone else’s mind

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on it.
You’ve never heard me on it.

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OK.
And sure, I might make a few

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mistakes.
I might be dead right and

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everything.
That’s OK.

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You just point it out.
I can be told.

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OK, If not during, after.
OK.

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It’s one thing to understand the
attirement.

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It’s another thing to be able to
articulate it.

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That is to be able to talk about
it.

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It takes a while to develop that
sort of skill, OK.

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And we find that I’ve over the
years take a lot of young people

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through and and others for
baptism.

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You get into the area of your
atonement and they find it very

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difficult to express themselves.
Quite often you’ve got to say to

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them, does this mean that or
does it mean that?

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And they can give you the
answer, OK, But they find it

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very hard to articulate
themselves on that subject, OK.

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And I noticed a lot of brethren
in public lectures and that

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they, they have a bit of problem
articulating themselves on the

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atonement, OK, I think so.
So as we go through the subject,

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and it won’t be exhaustive as we
go through the subject, maybe we

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can pass some hints on how we
should be preaching the subject

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at our public lectures, as well
as how we should be discussing

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it amongst ourselves and the
sort of areas we can go to to

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learn more about it.
OK, I’m not an intellectual by

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any means, I’m just a tradesman.
OK, so most of us are not many

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wives, not many mighty.
So if you smarties around, I

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don’t know you fellas, maybe
this really bright.

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He’s here anyway, any any
questions I can’t answer, answer

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Al McGraw, I’ll answer for you,
Sir.

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OK.
Or Uncle Ron.

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Yeah.
So to start with, before we get

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into a systematic thing, I’ve
gone right into study two.

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I think it is.
I’ve put up the sort of pivotal

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point of the study will actually
start at the beginning, but I

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just wanted to tonight not
prove, not tonight, but for 5 or

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10 minutes.
It’s not so much to prove

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anything.
That’s just to put a proposition

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to you, OK?
And most people can talk about

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certain elements of the
atonement.

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They can talk about man sin and
where it comes from, OK.

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And they can talk about this and
they can talk about that.

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But that that then when you ask
them to find actually what a

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sacrifice is, you come up with
all sorts of answers.

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OK, So and if I went round now
and we haven’t got time, I’ve

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done it quite often at school.
The prophets and the boys come

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up with all different things of
what a sacrifice is.

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As it turns out, none of them
have ever been wrong.

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One will see sacrificed as as
something that essentially cost

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you something for the sake of
someone else.

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OK.
And I can see here in knowing

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some of the boys, I said, oh, he
got that off his father because

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I knew his father.
You know what I mean.

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And then and and they’ve come up
with all these ideas and we

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didn’t the daughters was on once
and they were outstanding.

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I went from table to table and
and they would come up with

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different aspects of of what the
sacrifice of Christ was all

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about.
And none of them were wrong,

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but, but no one had a sort of
complete picture either.

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You know what I mean?
Now, that’s pretty normal

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amongst us, depending on your
personality, how long you’ve

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been the truth, how much you
studied it and, and what points

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have come across to you from
different speakers.

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So certain aspects, the
atonement will come across to

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you.
I, I think that, however, we’ve

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got to start making the subject
a little simpler than we have,

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OK, especially for preaching the
truth.

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I mean the Apostle Paul, I mean,
he went through the Greco Roman

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world.
He’s talking to dark minded

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pagans half the time.
He didn’t have a Jewish

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background or anything and he
expected them to understand.

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And what did he go around
preaching?

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He preached the things of the
king.

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What else?
Jesus Christ and him were

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crucified.
Well, and you get you get these.

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One might have been historic and
one might have been a worship of

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the Greek gods.
The other one might have been a

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Zoroastrian and all these
different ideas.

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And only the Jewish helmet would
have had any Bible background of

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any degree, although the
Septuagint apparently was

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readily available in those days.
And they would have heard of the

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Jews beliefs.
And so there’d be something

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there.
But he went round getting across

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to them, preaching Christ
crucified.

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Sure, He had the Holy Spirit and
He could perform miracles and

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that sort of authenticated what
He spoke was divine truth.

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And therefore people were more
readily impelled to listen to

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what He said.
But having listened to what He

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said, I must have understood it.
Therefore it must be able to be

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understood at a very simple
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OK.
And on the other extreme, Paul

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in Romans, when he goes right to
this subject and Alan’s got the

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wonderful privilege later in the
year that takes me through

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Romans 1 to 8, even though the
ecclesia’s got it wrong.

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It should be 1 to 10, but never
mind about that.

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And if what was I talking about?
Oh, wait, on the other extreme

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is in Paul and going right
through it.

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Thanks, that came back to me.
As he said, The other extreme is

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as he goes right through this
sermon in Romans, at the end of

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Chapter 11, he stops and
exclaims how wonderful the

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wisdom of God is in this great
plan of atonement.

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Isn’t that right?
And what is he?

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Why he says his why is a past
finding out.

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In other words, this subject can
be understood at such a simple

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level and yet everybody when
they get in depth, gets lost.

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OK, And when you get lost, it’s
time to grab the rope, haul up

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to the surface.
You get and and and and latch

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into the simple levels and have
another go.

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Don’t get diverted way there and
there in areas of a bit deep and

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then start development series
and finishing up in a great big

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mess.
OK, The atonement basically is

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very, very simple, but the
language in the Bible on it is

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not simple, OK?
It is not simple.

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So tonight I’m proving nothing.
Sorry, at this chart, I’m

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proving nothing at this stage.
OK, I’m just putting a

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propositions to you.
OK?

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So this might be right, it might
be wrong.

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I just want you to know where
we’re going, my word gap, OK?

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And our proposition to you is
that a sacrifice that is

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sacrifice of Christ
particularly, all right, But all

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other sacrifices pointed forward
to it anyway, OK.

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And there are many aspects of
it, right?

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But fundamentally, I’m putting
to you that the sacrifice is

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actually a full demonstration of
certain facts or truths.

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OK.
Do you have a, an Easter show

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here like they’re doing NSW?
I had.

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They caught the show, aren’t
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They caught the show here.
Yeah.

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And then and then we’re up and
I’ve been in, you know, on a

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cattle farm last 14 years.
We used to go to the Ghana Dara

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and Crips, same sort of thing
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There’s more farm machinery.
And what’d you go there for?

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Well, apart from the steak
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things, you mainly went to see
the agricultural machinery and

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you expected in some of the
cases to actually see them

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functioning.
OK.

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I mean, it’s all right for
salesman to bring out his

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leaflet and give you all the
technical detail which you need

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to know, but in the end you say,
OK, let’s see it work.

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In other words, demonstrate it,
OK.

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Every little word of the Lord,
every concept of God, doesn’t

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matter whether it’s these
concepts or any other truth, He

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always demonstrates them in
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Practically, you get the idea.
He just doesn’t give you a a

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concept and say that’s truth.
Except things that have not yet

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come to pass, of course, all
right, but he will demonstrate

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it, you know, in circumstances
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OK, now what we’re putting to
you is that concept.

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I’ve I’ve picked up this word
demonstration from Romans

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chapter 3, whom God set forth to
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in his blood.
You know, the main one on the

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atonement to declare the word
declare actually means to

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exhibit or demon meant to
declare like it usually does.

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It’s completely different word
that means actually means to

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exhibit, demonstrate or show as
you going to a show to see

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something operate.
OK, so I don’t think that can’t

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understand as a you don’t have
to accept that.

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I’m just putting to you at this
stage that, Oh, there’s a lot

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more involved in it, but we’re
putting to you basically it’s a

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demonstration of the facts.
We, we suggest to you that these

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facts are certain truths, OK?
We believe that we putting to

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you that there are certain
truths about man and there’s

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certain truths about God that
have been demonstrated here, OK,

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for us to look at, to believe or
disbelieve it.

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If we believe it, we’ll confess
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That is confess it’s right.
And if it, if our belief’s that

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strong, we’ll start copying it
and professing it, living it

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out, copying it.
OK, Mind you, ours will never be

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a full demonstration, but it’ll
be a demonstration we live out.

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If we copy the life of Christ,
we too will be a partial

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demonstration of the truths that
we believe that we’re being

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taught about man and about God.
Now, that’s the basic

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proposition.
Is there any difficulties with

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that?
Ben’s been through this before.

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Did you get that last time?
Yeah, you did get on you.

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He’s very attentive.
Student must go with the

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prophets.
All right, any young people, any

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problems with that?
Just as a proposition.

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You don’t believe it.
Can you understand the

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proposition?
OK, we would put to you, and

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this is probably for a bit more
for more advanced president.

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The subject of the atonement,
you older blacks, is really just

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a combination of man rightly
mortal on one hand and God

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manifestation on the other, and
they’re just joined together and

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they’ve become one concept
together.

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Unfortunately, we have a habit
of preaching man rightly mortal

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in our lectures and we preach
God manifestation on the

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lectures.
I suggest to you we’ve got to

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start teaching them together as
the significance of Christ

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crucified.
We’ve got to turn it to

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something simple enough to
recommend itself to interested

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friends.
And you can only make a subject,

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Paul, if you understand it.
OK?

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If you understand it.
Pete, you’ve never been through

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these, have you?
No, boy, am I going to give you

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a hard point.
So you can only pick on your

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friends.
Everyone else gets offended.

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OK, So any you don’t have to
believe what I put.

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You’ve got the basic concept.
Anyone got problems?

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All of that can say, yeah, all
right, so we’ve put to you

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that’s not enough to look at
Jesus Christ crucified.

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You’ve got to look at the whole
scene.

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OK, Pete.
Where’s Pete?

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Pete in that scene demonstrated.
Who’s the transgressors in that

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scene?
Pete.

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To either side.
Anyone else?

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He’s missed something.
He’s got the main ones.

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The crown.
Good work.

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Good work.
Top marks.

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You’re not allowed to go early.
OK.

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Where, however, is human nature
there, in that scene?

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Everyone good on the job?
Yes.

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Yell out mates.
Don’t you, Sir, Oh, so good

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things come from Lismore.
I’ll tell it.

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I’ll tell you a funny story.
Sorry.

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Tell you a funny story.
This involves one of Gel’s

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relatives, the last skill of the
Prophets.

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You know, we’re giving all this
stuff.

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And as we have 50 young people
and it’s in a magnificent 7th

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Day Adventist complex, camping,
they’ve got everything, so it

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must be worth millions of
dollars.

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But the boys have this, what’s
called a Chapel, but it’s

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there’s this beautiful room
that’s an Amphitheatre room.

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The seats will go up like that,
like in the theatre.

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And you can sit down here and
just talk normally and like, but

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alarmed by all this black and I
didn’t know how I’ve been in the

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Bush for 14 years and all the
kids have grown up now.

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Don’t know who they are.
You know, I could sort of

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recognize a few features I could
see, I could recognize better.

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My first grandson from 10 miles
off and he was a pain in the

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neck and, and anyway there was
this bloke, he come along and I

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couldn’t tell because the scale
of the prophets, you know what

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boys are like, they never make
the beds and they don’t wash

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their clothes and they don’t.
And they, they come to every

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session all crumply and their
hair’s not done.

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Like this bloke here, their
hair’s not done And and they’re

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that scruffy.
But then, and it’s hard to tell

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their ages, you know, and this
bloke come along and I haven’t

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didn’t have a clue what he was,
who he was.

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OK, I didn’t know whether he was
18 or 28.

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I still don’t know.
And he sat like this big happy

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theatre and I’m speaking from
here and he sat in that chair

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every session right in front of
me, writing these things down.

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OK.
And then we got to the stage.

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What in the subject where what
we inherit from Adam and what we

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don’t inherit from Adam.
OK, and sure enough, it’s made

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out now.
What was that again?

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He said, what do we inherit from
Adam?

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I said we inherit sin for our
nature.

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Yeah, same for now.
What a mortality.

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And he said, and what don’t
don’t we inherit?

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We don’t inherit the guilt.
OK, note this down.

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I’m thinking this poor guy’s had
no background, yet he doesn’t

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seem to have a clue, you know?
And this is the way he carried

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on for a few sessions anyway, as
it turned off.

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I didn’t know who he was.
It was early in the sessions and

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I shouldn’t be telling these
stories.

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But it turns out that it was his
turn.

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Apparently they changed the
chairmanships and the young

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people knew it was his turn to
do the reading.

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And the reading was, I think was
Romans 12.

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It was a magnificent reading.
He read it magnificent.

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And I thought, what have I got?
You know that he had black hair.

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He had dark skin.
He had pointy features.

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He’s starting to get a few clues
now.

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Do you know what I’m talking
about?

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What was that?
You knew it was the start of it.

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The word has got around, but
that luck had me fooled.

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It turns out it was one of his
nephews and who’s his brothers

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married to a Greek girl with
very foreign features.

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And this young fella, all right,
happens to be a a high school

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teacher or something.
And and the and the

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Christadelphian school, he knows
his subject backwards.

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And the blighter was sitting
down there and being a school

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teacher, he was asking these
questions and behaving like he

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knew nothing.
For the sake of the 15 and 16

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year olds.
He had me caught mate.

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I didn’t have a clue.
OK, so let’s start from the

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beginning, OK?
A lot of this most of you are

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aware of, but we build up as we
go along.

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OK, so we just sung in our
opening hymn, all right?

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Yeah, it’s just one great field,
and God’s at work reaping a

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harvest, OK.
And it’s interesting to realize

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that that God is doing that.
And we know God.

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There is but one God the Father,
out of whom we’re all things.

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And we for him remember First
Corinthians 8.

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Six you’re going to know that
before you’re baptized men First

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Corinthians 6 you’re going to
know backwards fundamental OK

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there’s one God OK, out of whom
are all things and we for him

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one God the father if we’re for
him and he’s the Father, who are

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we Pete?
Who are we say sound asleep?

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Sound asleep, had a hard night
where couldn’t fix those

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telephones or something.
OK, well, we for him, we’re the

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children.
OK, so there’s one God the

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Father.
This is one of the great

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statements of Scripture, of whom
means out of whom is everything,

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but primarily out of whom are
all things.

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And we’re for him, we’re his
children.

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OK, That’s what he’s doing.
OK, that’s what he’s doing and

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the method he’s using, the
method he’s using is and 1 Lord

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and the word Lord means Lord,
very enlightening. 1 Lord Jesus

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Christ, through whom are all
things, and we through him.

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So God’s got a method.
He’s a father, he’s having

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children.
He’s he’s selecting one child in

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particular to be the chief
leader, the captain, the channel

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through which he’s going to do
absolutely everything.

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That’s basic.
The atonement.

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It’s basic to understanding the
atonement.

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OK, That’s basic to the concept
of him being Lord, Being

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captains got the same idea.
Being shepherds, got the same

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idea.
He’s one of us, but he’s a

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leader, and everything’s
channeled through the leader,

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and he’s leading.
OK, Now that’s fundamentally

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atonement.
You see all these arguments

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about whether Christ died for
himself or whether he didn’t,

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whether he died for his nature,
and people tie themselves up in

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the knots.
Yet out of that simple concept,

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there is one Lord, 1 captain,
all right, one shepherd, all

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right, on the base of that
concept.

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If you get that ground in your
head, very simple, you’ll have

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no problem when you come to that
part of the subject, as you’ll

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see, as you’ll see.
OK, but isn’t it interesting

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that that God’s a father?
He’s our shadow, and he’s shadow

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has that dual meaning of a
Sacre, a mother, and he is a

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destroyer or a provider father.
OK, so he is a total parent.

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We aren’t.
We need a wife.

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All right, That’s an admission,
isn’t it?

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I mean, my hand’s too shaky
because all these charts.

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Do I need a wife, mate?
I really need a wife.

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OK, so.
So what’s God done is the whole

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situation in life is meant to be
built around families.

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He, our present life is a
mixture of experiencing the

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divine and at the same time
experiencing the opposite.

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There’s nothing like contrast to
learn to appreciate something.

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I mean, you don’t appreciate
light to you in total darkness.

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You don’t appreciate good health
right until you’re writhing in

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pain or sickness.
You need all these contrasting

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experiences to develop an
appreciation of a thing.

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OK, otherwise you’re a robot.
You’re just part of the learning

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process.
OK, so God’s at work.

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This is his farm.
It’s the earth.

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OK, it’s the Earth farm.
And he works on a principle.

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My strength is made perfect
through weakness.

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Can anyone remember where that
quote comes from?

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The context of it’s not exactly
those words.

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Can’t hear you. 2nd Corinthians
13.

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Well done, well done.
He’s talking about his

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sicknesses, wasn’t he?
God’s given me a thought in the

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flesh and he found it very
difficult to accept and it took

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him a long, long while to accept
that sickness as a lot of us do.

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And I’m getting, it’s taken me a
long while to accept the fact

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I’m old and boy, I’m old and I’m
kicking against it.

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OK, takes a long while, OK.
But in the end he surrendered to

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it three times.
He besought the Lord and he said

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my strength is sufficient for
you, Paul.

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My strengths made perfect in
weakness.

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At last he surrendered that he
realized that when he was really

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physically ill and sick and
depressed, and yet he’s still

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hanging on the truth and doing
what he can in his debilitated

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state.
But that was actually

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manifesting God’s strength
better than when he was fighting

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fit and how to get out there and
do everything.

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And and not only so, but the
very experience itself was

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searing into his mind,
subconsciously or otherwise, his

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absolute dependence on divine
strength and the absolute

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weakness of self, you know, just
in a in a demonstrative and

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experimental experienced why he
was getting that message into

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his own life.
OK.

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And that’s fundamental to the
atonement we’ve in God

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developing children and children
of those who bear his likeness.

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Can only be done through the
experience of weakness.

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We know the purpose of God.
Numbers 14.

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The whole earth will be filled
with my glory.

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We’ll look at the glory in a
minute.

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OK?
Tonight we read in Hebrews

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chapter 2.
You’re looking at Hebrews

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chapter 2, OK?
Puts forth some very basic

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principles on the eternal OK, it
says in chapter 2 and verse 10

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for it became him, that is, God
became God, for whom are all

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things.
That’s exactly the same as First

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Corinthians 18.
Six out of whom are all things,

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and we for him became him, for
whom are all things.

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That’s fundamentally atonement.
You know the main feature of the

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atonement.
You know why Christ died and you

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know why everything’s going on.
You know how Christ died for

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first.
How do you think Christ died for

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first, Pete?
God yell it out bad bada.

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OK, OK.
That’s where he died for first.

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He died to honour God, to
vindicate God right, to declare

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God’s righteousness, that God is
personally righteous.

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Father, glorify thy name.
I have glorified and I have

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glorified again.
What’s the first commandment?

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I should love the look.
What’s the first commandment?

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Hear, O Israel, Lord, our God is
1.

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Lord is 1.
God the Father, out of whom are

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we?
For him here is our Lord, our

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God, as one Lord.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy

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God.
That’s the first thing.

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With all your heart, with all
yourself, with all your

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strength.
OK, then your neighbor as

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yourself.
And it’s like under the first

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one, they’re all unselfish.
They’re all reasonable, OK?

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And that’s the priorities.
OK, So when we’re looking at the

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sacrifice of Christ, before we
look at anything else, we look

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at God being honoured.
That’s the first principle in

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the atonement, God being
honoured.

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The first principle is not we’re
getting forgiven.

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The first principle is God’s
been honoured and shouldn’t it

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be so?
So it says it became him, Verse

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10 For whom were all things, and
we, and by whom are all things?

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Everything’s for Him, and he’s
behind them all in bringing many

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sons unto glory.
Bringing many sons under glory,

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we for him OK, to make the
captain of their salvation

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perfect through suffering.
Now the captain is there’s

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several Greek words and Hebrew
words for captain.

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This one is not the usual one
occurs about four times, only

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four times.
And it means the chief leader

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Archegos.
Archi means chief Goss leader

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Archegos only occurs 4 * 2 of
them in Hebrews.

435
00:30:21,840 –> 00:30:27,720
OK, if you want to look them up,
it’s a very interesting concept.

436
00:30:27,720 –> 00:30:31,240
He’s the chief leader.
If you want a key to

437
00:30:31,240 –> 00:30:34,560
understanding where the Christ
died for himself, its

438
00:30:34,560 –> 00:30:37,440
relationship to us, then get
this.

439
00:30:37,480 –> 00:30:50,760
He’s the chief leader, OK, And
it occurs in Acts 313, Acts 331,

440
00:30:50,840 –> 00:31:00,560
I think Hebrews 210.
Hebrews 12/2, I think Acts 3 was

441
00:31:00,560 –> 00:31:05,080
Peter preaching the gospel, but
in the temple there, and they

442
00:31:05,120 –> 00:31:08,840
accuse the Jews of putting to
death, I think the Prince of

443
00:31:08,840 –> 00:31:09,840
life.
Is that right?

444
00:31:10,080 –> 00:31:16,440
The Prince of life?
And it’s actually should be the

445
00:31:16,440 –> 00:31:18,400
captain, the chief leader of
Life.

446
00:31:18,960 –> 00:31:24,240
OK.
And Acts 331 is a similar thing,

447
00:31:25,120 –> 00:31:30,240
the chief leader of life.
OK in Hebrews 12/2.

448
00:31:31,040 –> 00:31:32,320
I think that’s where we’re
there.

449
00:31:32,320 –> 00:31:43,040
We just look at that one.
Oh yeah, he’s called here the

450
00:31:43,400 –> 00:31:49,480
the captain or chief leaders
actually translated the author.

451
00:31:49,960 –> 00:31:55,520
See those two looking under
Jesus, the author and finisher

452
00:31:55,520 –> 00:31:59,520
of our of the faith.
He for the joy that was set

453
00:31:59,520 –> 00:32:02,120
before him endured the cross in
despise.

454
00:32:02,120 –> 00:32:06,480
The shame is set down in the
right hand of the throne of God.

455
00:32:07,400 –> 00:32:10,840
For consider him that endured
such contradiction of sinners

456
00:32:11,120 –> 00:32:14,480
against himself, lest ye be
weird and faint in your mind.

457
00:32:15,000 –> 00:32:21,200
He’s saying Jesus Christ started
his work and he finished it and

458
00:32:21,200 –> 00:32:26,480
he’s a great example for you.
He’s the chief leader author.

459
00:32:26,800 –> 00:32:30,840
He begins a thing.
He’s a a captain, takes the lead

460
00:32:30,840 –> 00:32:34,680
and he actually creates the path
as he goes along.

461
00:32:35,040 –> 00:32:38,240
It was if it’s a mob of
soldiers, he might have to have

462
00:32:38,240 –> 00:32:41,000
a big machete chopping away the
jungle.

463
00:32:41,360 –> 00:32:43,440
He actually makes the path as he
goes along.

464
00:32:43,440 –> 00:32:47,720
He’s also in that sense, OK, so
but he’s the chief leader and

465
00:32:47,720 –> 00:32:51,320
the the word author.
There should be captain or chief

466
00:32:51,320 –> 00:33:00,600
leader.
To make the captain of their

467
00:33:00,600 –> 00:33:03,000
salvation perfect through
sufferings.

468
00:33:04,280 –> 00:33:11,320
It goes on or just reading on
verse 11 for both.

469
00:33:11,320 –> 00:33:14,160
He that sanctifies, that’s
Christ.

470
00:33:14,320 –> 00:33:18,040
Christ that sanctified to
sanctify you means to set you

471
00:33:18,040 –> 00:33:22,000
apart and make you special for
God, right very close to the

472
00:33:22,000 –> 00:33:26,240
word holy set apart.
He that sets us apart and makes

473
00:33:26,240 –> 00:33:28,440
us holy.
And they who are set apart and

474
00:33:28,440 –> 00:33:33,520
made holy are all of 1.
One more.

475
00:33:36,240 –> 00:33:39,560
You can say what you think it is
because brethren disagree on it.

476
00:33:39,920 –> 00:33:41,280
All right?
Not that it makes much

477
00:33:41,320 –> 00:33:43,160
difference.
One what?

478
00:33:43,640 –> 00:33:47,120
They’re all of one anybody.
One what?

479
00:33:48,280 –> 00:33:52,200
One God, one method, one Father,
one.

480
00:33:52,880 –> 00:33:55,000
What do you reckon?
It doesn’t say.

481
00:33:55,000 –> 00:33:59,160
So what do you reckon?
What?

482
00:33:59,240 –> 00:34:02,480
Can’t hear you, Father.
He likes father.

483
00:34:03,400 –> 00:34:07,080
OK, That makes no difference
across if there’s one Father and

484
00:34:07,080 –> 00:34:10,360
one God.
Paul argues that early in

485
00:34:10,360 –> 00:34:12,800
Romans, because there’s one God,
there’s one method.

486
00:34:13,480 –> 00:34:16,560
OK, there’s one method of the
Jew, one method of the Gentile.

487
00:34:16,560 –> 00:34:19,560
Because there’s one God, there’s
only one method of salvation and

488
00:34:19,560 –> 00:34:22,239
that’s the other thing to and
understand the atonement.

489
00:34:22,440 –> 00:34:26,719
There’s only one method from
Adam to the end of Millennium,

490
00:34:27,000 –> 00:34:29,040
there’s only one method of
salvation.

491
00:34:29,080 –> 00:34:34,199
There’s one God, one method.
And because there’s one God and

492
00:34:34,199 –> 00:34:38,800
one method, therefore Jesus
Christ, the sanctifier, the one

493
00:34:38,800 –> 00:34:44,840
who did the work so we could be
special, set apart for God, He

494
00:34:44,840 –> 00:34:49,040
did that work.
They’re all of one Father and

495
00:34:49,040 –> 00:34:51,880
one method.
And therefore he’s not ashamed

496
00:34:51,880 –> 00:34:56,159
to call them brethren.
And he quotes, quotes, I’ll

497
00:34:56,159 –> 00:34:57,960
declare thy name under my
brethren.

498
00:34:58,800 –> 00:35:02,080
And then in verse 13, I put my
trust in him.

499
00:35:04,560 –> 00:35:07,240
He got salvation by faith.
He put his trust.

500
00:35:07,240 –> 00:35:10,400
He got the same one methods
faith, OK, He put his trust in

501
00:35:10,400 –> 00:35:15,080
God, OK, And behold, I am the
children whom God have given me,

502
00:35:16,040 –> 00:35:23,440
OK, Behold, I am the children.
We’re one family, OK, but we’re

503
00:35:23,720 –> 00:35:26,320
we’re together.
We’re one and because we’re one

504
00:35:26,320 –> 00:35:30,320
and there’s one method.
Well, Christ had to come with

505
00:35:30,320 –> 00:35:34,600
our problems with our nature and
do something about delivering

506
00:35:34,640 –> 00:35:36,200
us.
He’s the chief captain him and

507
00:35:36,200 –> 00:35:39,400
got it to get together and
that’s why we’ve got Hebrews 214

508
00:35:39,800 –> 00:35:43,040
for as much then, because
there’s one method as the

509
00:35:43,040 –> 00:35:45,120
children are partakers of flesh
and blood.

510
00:35:45,120 –> 00:35:50,640
He also himself likewise, but
took of the same, got himself in

511
00:35:50,640 –> 00:35:56,560
the same situation, right?
That is as close as possible.

512
00:35:57,360 –> 00:36:01,440
That’s through death.
He might destroy or render of

513
00:36:01,440 –> 00:36:05,360
none effect that which has the
power of death, which is the

514
00:36:05,360 –> 00:36:15,160
devil or sin.
OK, So what are made perfect

515
00:36:15,160 –> 00:36:19,200
through sufferings?
The sufferings is actually just

516
00:36:19,200 –> 00:36:22,000
been flesh and blood and
everything that goes with it.

517
00:36:23,520 –> 00:36:27,640
Some of those sufferings are
very nice temptations, but

518
00:36:27,640 –> 00:36:30,120
they’re they’re sufferings.
They’re a trial.

519
00:36:30,520 –> 00:36:33,880
Some of them are terrible
trials, pain and sickness and

520
00:36:34,320 –> 00:36:38,600
persecution and and so on.
OK, but they’re all sufferings.

521
00:36:39,320 –> 00:36:44,480
He has a basic principle.
We don’t all we’re not always

522
00:36:44,480 –> 00:36:50,160
experiencing awful sufferings
OK, but he tunes us up with

523
00:36:50,160 –> 00:36:52,000
them.
If you’re going through life

524
00:36:52,000 –> 00:36:57,800
without sufferings you’re going
through life without being tuned

525
00:36:57,800 –> 00:37:01,080
right up to being sons and
daughters the living God.

526
00:37:01,400 –> 00:37:05,760
Look what I did for Jesus
Christ, verse 17 Wherefore in

527
00:37:05,760 –> 00:37:09,240
all things that behave Christ to
be made like unto his brethren,

528
00:37:09,480 –> 00:37:12,760
what to do for him?
It made him a merciful and

529
00:37:12,760 –> 00:37:17,720
faithful high priest in things
pertaining to God to make

530
00:37:18,600 –> 00:37:23,360
propitiation, not reconciliation
to make propitiation for the

531
00:37:23,360 –> 00:37:27,360
sins of the people.
For in that he himself hath

532
00:37:27,360 –> 00:37:31,800
suffered.
Pick draw a line from suffered

533
00:37:31,800 –> 00:37:37,280
in the end of verse 10 up to the
suffered in verse 18, right?

534
00:37:37,440 –> 00:37:40,080
That’s the connection.
For in that himself has suffered

535
00:37:40,080 –> 00:37:43,560
being tempted.
Is that the suck of them that

536
00:37:43,600 –> 00:37:48,760
are tempted?
OK, so that’s another basic

537
00:37:48,760 –> 00:37:57,390
principle of the gospel
salvation.

538
00:37:57,390 –> 00:38:02,150
And that salvation is to be sons
of the living God, to be

539
00:38:02,870 –> 00:38:07,390
bringing sons unto glory.
You know, salvation’s not just

540
00:38:07,390 –> 00:38:10,550
saving us from death and giving
us immortality.

541
00:38:11,310 –> 00:38:14,870
Salvation is sharing God
himself.

542
00:38:15,390 –> 00:38:19,520
He shares himself with us.
It’s an awesome concept.

543
00:38:19,760 –> 00:38:22,360
He’s not given us a set of rules
and says if you’re a good boy,

544
00:38:22,360 –> 00:38:23,760
I’m going to give you eternal
life.

545
00:38:24,440 –> 00:38:29,000
That’s not the idea at all.
He says, if you can take on

546
00:38:29,000 –> 00:38:34,040
board my moral values now within
the limits of your capacity and

547
00:38:34,040 –> 00:38:37,600
use Christ as your captain, and
you do that faithfully through

548
00:38:37,600 –> 00:38:41,400
the life and see forgiveness
where you need it and grow in

549
00:38:41,400 –> 00:38:45,360
the image and likeness of me,
I’m going to let you share what

550
00:38:45,360 –> 00:38:52,320
I am myself, my own glory.
It’s an awesome concept.

551
00:38:56,720 –> 00:38:58,720
Let’s dwell on Captain for a
little bit.

552
00:39:01,760 –> 00:39:07,360
Here’s a little analogy.
Here’s a mob of believers are in

553
00:39:07,360 –> 00:39:09,560
trouble.
They’ve got enemies all around.

554
00:39:10,000 –> 00:39:12,520
There’s this path that goes to
salvation.

555
00:39:13,400 –> 00:39:15,160
All right.
There’s this path that goes to

556
00:39:15,160 –> 00:39:19,400
salvation.
You see that, Russell?

557
00:39:20,280 –> 00:39:24,480
But anyway, all right.
And there’s all sorts of enemies

558
00:39:24,800 –> 00:39:30,560
and there’s a great chasm here.
And and these brethren here, you

559
00:39:30,560 –> 00:39:34,680
know, for 4000 years have not
been able to cross that chasm.

560
00:39:35,440 –> 00:39:39,320
And that chasm is temptation and
death.

561
00:39:40,080 –> 00:39:41,880
They’ve never been able to beat
it.

562
00:39:44,040 –> 00:39:46,600
And there’s only one method,
there’s only one way to

563
00:39:46,600 –> 00:39:50,480
salvation, OK.
And these fellows, they’re good

564
00:39:50,480 –> 00:39:52,200
fighters.
And some of them, there’s

565
00:39:52,200 –> 00:39:54,880
Abraham and there’s Isaac and
Jacob and Daniel.

566
00:39:54,960 –> 00:39:57,800
All right, fighting away the
good fight of faith.

567
00:39:58,200 –> 00:40:02,400
They can’t get past that chasm.
All right.

568
00:40:04,360 –> 00:40:11,640
So God in the appointed way
sends down a captain, and he

569
00:40:11,640 –> 00:40:15,840
lands amongst the fellows.
This is just an analogy, OK?

570
00:40:17,040 –> 00:40:21,320
But soon as he hits the ground,
well before he hits the ground

571
00:40:21,320 –> 00:40:25,520
almost there’s Herod shooting at
him as he’s coming down, OK?

572
00:40:25,920 –> 00:40:28,200
He’s barely born, an arid was
after him.

573
00:40:28,760 –> 00:40:31,760
The kings of the earth and the
rulers take counsel together

574
00:40:32,120 –> 00:40:34,600
against the Lord’s anointed
right from birth, didn’t they?

575
00:40:34,920 –> 00:40:37,640
OK, this is the air.
Come, let’s kill him.

576
00:40:37,640 –> 00:40:41,840
I mean, right from the word God,
there were problems, OK, But the

577
00:40:41,840 –> 00:40:46,760
moment he came and he has and
got into a position where his

578
00:40:46,760 –> 00:40:50,480
brethren were, whom he was their
captain and leader, behold on

579
00:40:50,480 –> 00:40:52,000
the children and God had given
me.

580
00:40:52,360 –> 00:40:56,640
The moment he’s there, he
doesn’t save himself.

581
00:40:57,520 –> 00:41:02,800
He’s not going to save anybody.
He doesn’t save himself, He’s

582
00:41:02,800 –> 00:41:17,440
not going to save anybody.
True or false, it’s true, and

583
00:41:17,440 –> 00:41:20,800
I’m not pushing that.
Christ had to sacrifice because

584
00:41:20,800 –> 00:41:24,200
his nature separated him from
God and therefore his nature had

585
00:41:24,200 –> 00:41:27,760
to be forgiven even though he
hadn’t done any sins.

586
00:41:27,760 –> 00:41:32,600
I’m not teaching that at all.
I’m teaching that He had to be a

587
00:41:32,600 –> 00:41:37,400
captain and he had come into
their situation and he had to

588
00:41:37,400 –> 00:41:43,320
fight the fight of against the
enemy of his own nature and the

589
00:41:43,320 –> 00:41:46,960
people round about him.
He had to do it holding God’s

590
00:41:46,960 –> 00:41:52,360
hand and his job was to lead
those people across this cavern

591
00:41:52,680 –> 00:41:57,640
because only he could build the
bridge or whatever was required.

592
00:41:57,920 –> 00:42:01,200
In literal fact, I suppose he’s
the only one that could climb

593
00:42:01,200 –> 00:42:04,200
down the bottom and climb up the
other side and then throw a rope

594
00:42:04,200 –> 00:42:07,440
over so the others could get
over or build a bridge or

595
00:42:07,440 –> 00:42:10,240
whatever you like.
He was the only one that had the

596
00:42:10,240 –> 00:42:12,080
engineering ability.
He’s the only one with the

597
00:42:12,080 –> 00:42:17,200
ability to provide the way
across that gap and then other

598
00:42:17,320 –> 00:42:21,600
rest of the boys could follow.
But he must be successful.

599
00:42:21,960 –> 00:42:29,240
He must never fall the sin, OK,
He must save himself to save us.

600
00:42:31,040 –> 00:42:35,800
And you say, oh, well, he’s
always talking about greater

601
00:42:35,800 –> 00:42:38,640
love of no man than this.
And he lay down his life for his

602
00:42:38,640 –> 00:42:41,640
friends.
If he had to save himself, what

603
00:42:41,640 –> 00:42:43,680
are you going on about?
He had to save himself.

604
00:42:44,800 –> 00:42:48,120
That takes the emphasis of the
way from the fact that he that

605
00:42:48,120 –> 00:42:56,080
he that he came to save us.
Well, that’s a simple answer to

606
00:42:56,080 –> 00:43:20,150
that.
I have some handouts here.

607
00:43:21,030 –> 00:43:23,710
I think you’re arranging.
Brethren have checked them out,

608
00:43:23,710 –> 00:43:26,790
have they?
But but don’t hold that against

609
00:43:26,790 –> 00:43:28,350
them.
They could be quite wrong, these

610
00:43:28,350 –> 00:43:30,590
handouts.
It’s just they haven’t picked it

611
00:43:30,590 –> 00:43:34,070
up yet.
OK, now on that point.

612
00:43:34,510 –> 00:43:38,920
OK, what’s this emphasis on that
He did it for us?

613
00:43:39,920 –> 00:43:44,520
Well, the whole point is that if
we hadn’t got ourselves into

614
00:43:44,520 –> 00:43:49,200
this situation, we don’t know
what God would require him to

615
00:43:49,200 –> 00:43:54,120
do.
He might have gone another way

616
00:43:54,560 –> 00:43:57,640
and gone through his own special
trials and everything.

617
00:43:57,880 –> 00:44:00,080
Well, they are having to go
through this situation.

618
00:44:00,200 –> 00:44:08,000
We don’t know he went this way
because we were in trouble, OK?

619
00:44:08,640 –> 00:44:11,960
We just don’t know.
And it’s not revealed what God

620
00:44:11,960 –> 00:44:16,200
would require to repair his son
if we weren’t in that situation.

621
00:44:16,360 –> 00:44:18,240
That’s purely hypothetical
anyway.

622
00:44:18,720 –> 00:44:21,560
It would never happen anyway any
other way than that’s happened

623
00:44:21,560 –> 00:44:25,960
to anyone.
It’s purely A hypothetical thing

624
00:44:26,320 –> 00:44:29,800
Brother Carter in the indie book
says, and this doesn’t make it

625
00:44:29,800 –> 00:44:34,000
true, but it’s a suggestion.
He talks about the difficulties

626
00:44:34,000 –> 00:44:36,880
on the atonement.
He says another cause of

627
00:44:36,880 –> 00:44:40,840
difficulty arises out of the
Lord’s relationship to His own

628
00:44:40,840 –> 00:44:43,760
death.
A lot of people have a lot of

629
00:44:43,760 –> 00:44:45,440
trouble with that.
OK.

630
00:44:46,640 –> 00:44:50,400
It is affirmed in Scripture that
by His own blood he entered in

631
00:44:50,400 –> 00:44:54,040
once into the holy place, having
obtained eternal redemption.

632
00:44:54,320 –> 00:44:59,600
Hebrews 13, of course, and that
God brought from the dead the

633
00:44:59,600 –> 00:45:01,800
great shepherd of the sheep
through the blood of the

634
00:45:01,800 –> 00:45:07,360
everlasting covenant.
So obviously Christ was raised

635
00:45:07,360 –> 00:45:10,240
and got personal salvation
through his sacrifice.

636
00:45:10,480 –> 00:45:13,840
OK, No problem.
No, He’s the captain.

637
00:45:13,840 –> 00:45:19,120
And if he doesn’t get saved
through his, through passing

638
00:45:19,120 –> 00:45:22,440
over that gap by the crucifixion
he had to go through, He

639
00:45:22,440 –> 00:45:25,640
couldn’t save anybody else.
He had to bridge that gap, OK,

640
00:45:26,720 –> 00:45:30,960
but it goes on to say he needed
redemption.

641
00:45:31,720 –> 00:45:36,960
He needed salvation from death.
The confusion arises when we

642
00:45:36,960 –> 00:45:43,720
isolate him from his work and
his work was to come and take

643
00:45:44,040 –> 00:45:48,680
lead these fellows out.
In so doing he would be made

644
00:45:48,840 –> 00:45:51,520
perfect for his suffering.
He would learn obedience, he’d

645
00:45:51,520 –> 00:45:53,840
be become a merciful and
faithful high priest.

646
00:45:54,040 –> 00:45:58,400
He would be a captain of his
people and that was his heritage

647
00:45:58,400 –> 00:46:04,280
anyway.
OK, he says he was there to be

648
00:46:04,360 –> 00:46:10,840
our Saviour and but for our
needs we may reverently say.

649
00:46:11,280 –> 00:46:18,160
He would not have been there.
We may reverently say he would

650
00:46:18,160 –> 00:46:24,080
not have been there.
He can’t prove that God doesn’t

651
00:46:24,080 –> 00:46:27,200
even talk about what God would
have done if we weren’t there

652
00:46:27,400 –> 00:46:29,800
because it would never have
happened anywhere rather than it

653
00:46:29,800 –> 00:46:31,640
happened.
But if you’re going to think

654
00:46:31,640 –> 00:46:36,000
about it at all, don’t think the
JJ Andrews style that

655
00:46:36,000 –> 00:46:40,880
irrespective of our position, if
Christ came in the flesh and

656
00:46:40,880 –> 00:46:43,760
then he was separated from God
just because he was flesh and

657
00:46:43,760 –> 00:46:47,880
blood and it needed a special
sacrifice to reconcile just

658
00:46:47,880 –> 00:46:49,840
being flesh and blood, whether
it’s sinned or not.

659
00:46:50,440 –> 00:46:53,160
And before he’d get into
salvation, therefore God would

660
00:46:53,160 –> 00:46:56,560
require of him all that he went
through for his own personal

661
00:46:56,560 –> 00:47:00,240
salvation because he was
separated from God because he

662
00:47:00,240 –> 00:47:03,200
was born with our nature, which
is just rubbish.

663
00:47:03,200 –> 00:47:07,720
Oh, in my opinion, sorry.
OK.

664
00:47:17,560 –> 00:47:20,680
That’s just emphasizing we’re
called the glory and what the

665
00:47:20,680 –> 00:47:25,280
glory is.
The glory of God relates to His

666
00:47:25,280 –> 00:47:29,960
character and intelligence and a
mental thing and a moral thing

667
00:47:29,960 –> 00:47:33,960
and a thing of His purpose, but
also relates to His substance.

668
00:47:33,960 –> 00:47:37,440
When you’re talking about glory,
you’re talking about those two

669
00:47:37,440 –> 00:47:40,880
things.
Now Pete here, His glory is his

670
00:47:40,880 –> 00:47:47,520
brains and his good looks.
None of the girls think much of

671
00:47:47,520 –> 00:47:50,960
it this days, but never mind.
Let’s hope it went red.

672
00:47:52,560 –> 00:47:58,520
OK, so, so our glory is our
mental, mental prowess.

673
00:47:58,640 –> 00:48:03,560
And for the girls, their beauty
and for the boys, their their

674
00:48:04,600 –> 00:48:08,840
masculinity.
OK, OK, that’s your glory, your

675
00:48:08,840 –> 00:48:12,000
natural glory.
God’s glory is his character and

676
00:48:12,000 –> 00:48:16,000
his great genius and everything,
and He’s reveal his purpose and

677
00:48:16,000 –> 00:48:20,360
the way to end his immortal
substance and this great

678
00:48:20,360 –> 00:48:23,800
omnipotent power that he can
just radiate himself and become

679
00:48:23,800 –> 00:48:25,800
the whole universe.
God’s everything, He’s

680
00:48:26,560 –> 00:48:28,800
everything.
In Him we live and move and how

681
00:48:28,800 –> 00:48:31,040
we are being, and He’s not very
far from every one of us.

682
00:48:31,280 –> 00:48:33,320
It’s so literal.
He is everything.

683
00:48:34,360 –> 00:48:39,240
OK?
The only thing we own is

684
00:48:39,240 –> 00:48:42,560
personal volition, volition,
free will to make a choice.

685
00:48:42,560 –> 00:48:46,160
That’s the only thing we own.
Everything else is made from God

686
00:48:46,160 –> 00:48:52,480
and dependent upon God.
All right, so when we’re called

687
00:48:52,480 –> 00:48:58,120
to the glory, right, we’re
called to become the hope of the

688
00:48:58,120 –> 00:49:00,440
glory.
In Romans chapter 5, the early

689
00:49:00,440 –> 00:49:14,410
verses in hope of the glory of
God, it’s now in Genesis chapter

690
00:49:14,410 –> 00:49:20,240
1, the Elohim and Yahweh himself
got together and said, let us

691
00:49:20,240 –> 00:49:25,480
verse 26, isn’t it?
I think of chapters chapter one,

692
00:49:25,880 –> 00:49:29,200
let us make man in our image and
in our likeness.

693
00:49:29,200 –> 00:49:31,840
All right.
I mean, he’s going to have a

694
00:49:31,840 –> 00:49:33,520
family.
That’s his purpose.

695
00:49:33,920 –> 00:49:37,200
So he and the angels get
together and say, let us make

696
00:49:37,200 –> 00:49:40,080
man in our image and in our
likeness.

697
00:49:41,920 –> 00:49:44,800
They had made all the other
beasts of the field and birds of

698
00:49:44,800 –> 00:49:46,760
the air.
They’d made all the other

699
00:49:46,760 –> 00:49:48,680
creatures.
And then they said, let us make

700
00:49:48,680 –> 00:49:57,360
man in our image and likeness.
So obviously man has something

701
00:49:57,400 –> 00:50:01,920
the other animals haven’t got.
He’s also got a lot of what the

702
00:50:01,920 –> 00:50:06,000
other animals have got.
Coming off a farm you realize,

703
00:50:06,520 –> 00:50:09,840
and I don’t want to be gruesome,
but you’re forever killing

704
00:50:09,840 –> 00:50:12,920
animals for food or because
they’re pests.

705
00:50:13,760 –> 00:50:19,440
You slit them open and and you
get to know what’s inside hearts

706
00:50:19,440 –> 00:50:25,920
and livers and all the stuff
and.

707
00:50:26,120 –> 00:50:29,040
And.
And you quickly realized that

708
00:50:29,040 –> 00:50:32,720
they’re common to man that that
our Physiology is just animal

709
00:50:33,160 –> 00:50:34,240
Physiology.
Yeah.

710
00:50:34,640 –> 00:50:35,560
Yeah.
Bodies.

711
00:50:35,600 –> 00:50:38,000
OK.
And even Adam and Eve, when they

712
00:50:38,000 –> 00:50:40,600
crowded, must have looked around
and wild and watched all the

713
00:50:40,600 –> 00:50:44,120
animals function and began to
realize they did an awful lot of

714
00:50:44,120 –> 00:50:47,160
things that they do too
naturally than they had to do to

715
00:50:47,160 –> 00:50:51,080
live, to eat, drink and do all
those sort of all the things

716
00:50:51,080 –> 00:50:54,800
that go on.
They must have realized that to

717
00:50:54,800 –> 00:51:00,240
a large extent they were animal.
And we are our Physiology as

718
00:51:00,240 –> 00:51:05,320
animals know about that.
OK, But there’s a difference up

719
00:51:05,320 –> 00:51:09,480
in their heads.
Other creatures are wonderful

720
00:51:09,480 –> 00:51:12,800
brains, OK.
And when we look at the human

721
00:51:12,800 –> 00:51:16,200
brain, you know, the scientists
tell us we’re looking at the

722
00:51:16,200 –> 00:51:18,200
most complex thing in the
universe.

723
00:51:18,200 –> 00:51:19,520
Of course they’re wrong.
Yeah.

724
00:51:20,440 –> 00:51:24,000
There’s something far more
complex in the universe than the

725
00:51:24,000 –> 00:51:26,400
mind of man, and that’s the mind
of God, isn’t it?

726
00:51:27,080 –> 00:51:29,560
OK.
But in other words, it’s a tough

727
00:51:29,560 –> 00:51:31,480
one.
And they have been studying it

728
00:51:31,480 –> 00:51:34,800
for a long while and come up
with all sorts of things, which

729
00:51:34,800 –> 00:51:40,160
I, I’ve got a bit of a hobby
about, but I never at my age, I

730
00:51:40,160 –> 00:51:42,720
can’t remember the details.
I can’t tell you much about it.

731
00:51:42,720 –> 00:51:44,560
So, but it doesn’t matter.
OK.

732
00:51:44,680 –> 00:51:47,080
So you’re not going to get a
science, that’s for sure.

733
00:51:47,480 –> 00:51:51,720
And, and what we’ve got here is
there’s, there’s not sections in

734
00:51:51,720 –> 00:51:56,960
your head in these sections
here, all right.

735
00:51:56,960 –> 00:52:00,400
But these are some of the
functions that go on that are

736
00:52:00,400 –> 00:52:05,040
very important.
And, and we’re in, in some of

737
00:52:05,040 –> 00:52:10,720
it, we’re similar to animals and
in some of it we’re quite

738
00:52:10,720 –> 00:52:14,800
different.
And this is very challenging.

739
00:52:14,800 –> 00:52:17,680
And it’s a pity I couldn’t put
this up here for an hour.

740
00:52:17,680 –> 00:52:21,240
And we just talked about it.
I’ll just describe what we’re

741
00:52:21,240 –> 00:52:29,600
looking at here is area here.
There’s an area where consigned

742
00:52:29,600 –> 00:52:36,560
to consciousness, reasoning and
making decisions now that run

743
00:52:36,680 –> 00:52:42,880
consciousness no problem.
And and this racing around here

744
00:52:42,880 –> 00:52:44,880
is our clock rate.
You know anything about clock

745
00:52:44,880 –> 00:52:46,920
rates?
You know, computers go around

746
00:52:47,400 –> 00:52:52,200
and, and they tear around and,
and, and as a as the pulse tears

747
00:52:52,200 –> 00:52:56,120
around, it picks up information
from other parts of the computer

748
00:52:56,480 –> 00:52:59,920
and it clocks it in and it does
this, then it does that make.

749
00:53:00,200 –> 00:53:02,200
OK, we’re far more complex than
that.

750
00:53:02,200 –> 00:53:07,560
But we have this clock, right?
And some of us are far faster

751
00:53:07,560 –> 00:53:11,160
than others.
Pete’s isn’t too fast and he’s

752
00:53:11,560 –> 00:53:12,840
he’s a bit slow.
He’s on me.

753
00:53:12,840 –> 00:53:14,760
He’s on me.
We’re both technicians.

754
00:53:14,760 –> 00:53:17,040
A bit slow.
That’s all right.

755
00:53:17,120 –> 00:53:19,000
It’s not a crime.
It’s just a misfortune.

756
00:53:19,000 –> 00:53:24,120
Don’t worry, It’s sad.
So there’s all these inputs, the

757
00:53:24,120 –> 00:53:26,920
things we say, the things we
hear, the things we touch, the

758
00:53:26,920 –> 00:53:30,800
things we take, all the five
senses, they’re all building up

759
00:53:30,800 –> 00:53:35,360
on there, contributing to our
consciousness.

760
00:53:35,360 –> 00:53:43,440
OK, and, and along with the
animals, we have lusts.

761
00:53:43,440 –> 00:53:46,000
We’ve got lust, the flesh, the
eye and the pride of life.

762
00:53:46,800 –> 00:53:50,120
The animals have all got that.
If you’ve never been in a farm,

763
00:53:50,120 –> 00:53:52,920
you don’t realize that, but they
have, they’ve even got the pride

764
00:53:52,920 –> 00:53:55,080
of life, believe it or not, they
have.

765
00:53:55,120 –> 00:53:59,400
They can be very proud.
And and there’s these things

766
00:53:59,440 –> 00:54:03,480
over here called emotions.
And boy, the animals have got a

767
00:54:03,600 –> 00:54:05,480
lot of those too, but so has
God.

768
00:54:06,480 –> 00:54:09,520
God’s got anger.
He hasn’t got fear.

769
00:54:10,960 –> 00:54:16,800
He can hate and he loves and he
can be very jealous and he can

770
00:54:16,800 –> 00:54:20,320
be happy and he can be upset.
But I’ll put them in human

771
00:54:20,320 –> 00:54:24,120
forms.
And I ran a list on ran a list

772
00:54:24,120 –> 00:54:28,520
on those just in English about
this long, you don’t realize

773
00:54:28,520 –> 00:54:33,200
having variations.
There are anger, like at my age,

774
00:54:33,480 –> 00:54:38,760
one of the areas very low level
of anger is irritability.

775
00:54:42,000 –> 00:54:45,560
I get irritable very easy.
Something to do with not enough

776
00:54:45,560 –> 00:54:47,880
energy to do what you want to
do, I think, or something like

777
00:54:47,960 –> 00:54:50,320
that.
There’s all these gradations of

778
00:54:50,400 –> 00:54:52,800
anger.
There’s all these gradations of

779
00:54:52,800 –> 00:54:54,400
fear.
Yeah.

780
00:54:55,040 –> 00:54:57,480
I’ve been lying all day trying
to rest so I could.

781
00:54:57,960 –> 00:54:59,160
It’s usually up here.
It’s that hot.

782
00:54:59,160 –> 00:55:02,080
I can’t speak this time of year,
but we’re God blessed.

783
00:55:02,080 –> 00:55:04,400
And that we’ve got to suddenly,
oh, goodness knows what I’d be

784
00:55:04,400 –> 00:55:08,680
doing right now, OK, Lying there
all day, you know, it’s like

785
00:55:08,760 –> 00:55:10,800
before you got to speak.
You just can’t take your mind

786
00:55:10,800 –> 00:55:12,480
off it.
And I’m trying to have a little

787
00:55:12,480 –> 00:55:15,480
bit of a sleep so I’ll be fresh.
And now your mind’s going all

788
00:55:15,480 –> 00:55:17,200
the time.
And this subject matter, we’ve

789
00:55:17,200 –> 00:55:18,320
got to go.
What is it?

790
00:55:18,920 –> 00:55:24,600
Anxiety.
It’s fear, just it’s not very

791
00:55:24,600 –> 00:55:27,240
strong fear.
It’s fear, OK.

792
00:55:28,000 –> 00:55:31,960
And there’s all those sort of
things and and this time we

793
00:55:31,960 –> 00:55:36,680
ought to think a lot about you
realize that emotions and the

794
00:55:36,680 –> 00:55:39,720
brethren don’t talk about them
because the churches are all

795
00:55:39,720 –> 00:55:43,200
built on a nationalism and
therefore we’ve dropped the

796
00:55:43,200 –> 00:55:47,200
subject to law.
And it’s, it’s a difficult

797
00:55:47,200 –> 00:55:51,520
subject to handle, balanced.
And therefore we must be very

798
00:55:51,520 –> 00:55:54,400
careful.
We must not ignore, we are

799
00:55:54,400 –> 00:55:58,200
ignoring it as a body.
We are ignoring it and we’ve got

800
00:55:58,200 –> 00:56:02,080
to think more about our emotions
in our family life, in our

801
00:56:02,080 –> 00:56:08,640
husband relations, kids emotions
can get switched on like like

802
00:56:08,640 –> 00:56:11,280
irritability forever.
I can, you know, I can get

803
00:56:11,280 –> 00:56:14,920
switched on by hormonal
differences, lack of sleep,

804
00:56:15,440 –> 00:56:20,920
overwork, all sorts of things.
Just switch on these emotional

805
00:56:20,920 –> 00:56:28,720
feelings, OK, and and and fear
is, is such a subconscious

806
00:56:28,720 –> 00:56:31,680
thing.
I can and destroy some people

807
00:56:32,480 –> 00:56:37,680
and and these things and we
could love really means to like

808
00:56:37,680 –> 00:56:43,040
something really good, OK,
Whereas agape love over here

809
00:56:43,040 –> 00:56:46,800
under moral faculties is a
different sort of love.

810
00:56:46,800 –> 00:56:49,640
It’s it’s the love of doing
what’s right.

811
00:56:49,920 –> 00:56:53,680
It’s the love of in principle,
even if you don’t like the

812
00:56:53,680 –> 00:56:57,200
person, you’ll do what’s right
to all, and that’s agape love.

813
00:56:57,560 –> 00:57:00,600
You may.
And God says we’ve got to use

814
00:57:00,600 –> 00:57:02,120
both.
We’ve got to have both.

815
00:57:02,120 –> 00:57:04,720
We’ve got to have filial the
brethren.

816
00:57:05,240 –> 00:57:08,760
We’ve got to agape our enemies,
OK, We’ve got to agape God.

817
00:57:09,200 –> 00:57:12,480
We’ve got their places in the
ultimate.

818
00:57:12,840 –> 00:57:16,520
It’s just all under one word for
love and you just got to sort it

819
00:57:16,520 –> 00:57:18,760
out.
Or everything from erotic love

820
00:57:18,760 –> 00:57:27,200
to the love of God.
So much for words and that’s

821
00:57:27,560 –> 00:57:29,760
putting inputs into our
decisions.

822
00:57:30,080 –> 00:57:33,960
And when we make decisions that
sends up reactions into there,

823
00:57:34,480 –> 00:57:38,880
OK, We make a decision to buy
something, you know, sooner done

824
00:57:38,880 –> 00:57:42,760
it then then you get this
feeling, oh, now I haven’t got

825
00:57:42,760 –> 00:57:45,520
the money.
You know, all these things are

826
00:57:45,520 –> 00:57:47,240
going on millions of things all
the time, OK.

827
00:57:47,240 –> 00:57:51,160
And and over here we’ve got
memory, OK.

828
00:57:51,800 –> 00:57:56,080
And and that is really to large
extent you everything you do,

829
00:57:56,320 –> 00:57:59,400
everything you say, not
everything is remembered,

830
00:58:00,120 –> 00:58:01,520
actually filled those things
out.

831
00:58:01,520 –> 00:58:04,280
They reckon you’d go mad if you
remembered every footstep you

832
00:58:04,280 –> 00:58:07,720
took and everything.
OK, But our memory becomes

833
00:58:08,080 –> 00:58:10,720
ourselves.
If you don’t think memory is

834
00:58:10,720 –> 00:58:13,840
yourself, then you come up to
Maranatha and I’ll take you

835
00:58:13,840 –> 00:58:17,880
around to some poor all sisters
that have are quite right in

836
00:58:17,880 –> 00:58:21,000
every other area but they live
in the eternal present.

837
00:58:21,080 –> 00:58:23,240
I can’t even remember 5 minutes
ago.

838
00:58:23,640 –> 00:58:25,440
You tell them the name, you
tell.

839
00:58:25,840 –> 00:58:29,600
You tell Norma that she taught
all our kids at Sunday school

840
00:58:30,000 –> 00:58:31,520
and she said what’s your name
David?

841
00:58:31,520 –> 00:58:34,600
And she looks in your eyes and
says yes it’s your eyes Dave.

842
00:58:35,280 –> 00:58:38,320
And then I walk over and come
back 2 minutes later and you go

843
00:58:38,320 –> 00:58:40,760
through all that again.
It’s sad.

844
00:58:41,920 –> 00:58:44,800
Once you lost your memory, you
lost you.

845
00:58:46,320 –> 00:58:50,280
So memory is a very important
thing, and all the things you

846
00:58:50,280 –> 00:58:53,960
do, your whole history, good and
bad, are written there, and they

847
00:58:53,960 –> 00:58:58,920
contribute continually to your
decisions and your reasoning.

848
00:58:59,000 –> 00:59:03,400
OK, that’s very important.
That in your memory is a lot of

849
00:59:03,400 –> 00:59:07,840
good things, divine things.
You can call on an accumulation

850
00:59:07,840 –> 00:59:13,280
of understanding and attitudes
and values and experiences, good

851
00:59:13,280 –> 00:59:17,040
and bad, that you can call on.
Learn by your mistakes.

852
00:59:17,040 –> 00:59:20,680
You know, they’re very important
part of us.

853
00:59:21,560 –> 00:59:23,400
All right.
Animals have a memory, but

854
00:59:23,400 –> 00:59:27,520
they’re quite limited.
It’s amazing how some will

855
00:59:27,520 –> 00:59:30,920
remember some things.
You can always get a ball of

856
00:59:30,920 –> 00:59:35,440
high, put on the back of the
truck and and walk, drive down

857
00:59:35,440 –> 00:59:39,480
the cast and then drive up
toward the the cattle yards.

858
00:59:41,560 –> 00:59:44,240
They followed every time go into
the courtyard and they get

859
00:59:44,240 –> 00:59:46,040
locked in and they will get a
needle.

860
00:59:48,160 –> 00:59:49,960
Three months later it happens
again.

861
00:59:50,360 –> 00:59:52,160
OK, but there’s other things I
remember.

862
00:59:52,160 –> 00:59:55,320
They don’t forget that they
haven’t got a complete memory.

863
00:59:56,040 –> 00:59:58,000
Well, it’s complete.
It’s ours for sure.

864
00:59:58,120 –> 01:00:04,640
OK.
The main thing in the image and

865
01:00:04,640 –> 01:00:09,080
likeness of God is these amazing
bundle of potentialities.

866
01:00:09,080 –> 01:00:12,600
Here I won’t put a few.
When you start going those, you

867
01:00:12,600 –> 01:00:17,840
get a great long list too, OK.
They are divine, like moral

868
01:00:17,840 –> 01:00:23,280
faculties.
Adam was created with them, but

869
01:00:23,280 –> 01:00:27,000
they weren’t developed.
But the potential was there.

870
01:00:27,720 –> 01:00:31,480
He had the potential to
appreciate justice and mercy and

871
01:00:31,480 –> 01:00:38,240
faith, hope and agape love,
loyalty, duty and caringness and

872
01:00:38,320 –> 01:00:41,600
gratitude and awe.
And it goes on and on, OK, all

873
01:00:41,600 –> 01:00:49,560
these divine like qualities, but
they have to be programmed

874
01:00:49,560 –> 01:00:51,240
properly.
That is, they’ve got to be

875
01:00:51,240 –> 01:00:53,680
educated.
It’s a highly complex thing.

876
01:00:54,440 –> 01:00:56,400
And they have to be oriented
properly.

877
01:00:58,160 –> 01:01:02,360
And the mind is so complex.
You know, in medicine they have

878
01:01:02,360 –> 01:01:07,080
about an 80 to 90% success rate
in most surgery and, and, and

879
01:01:07,080 –> 01:01:08,680
sicknesses these days.
All right.

880
01:01:09,320 –> 01:01:13,640
But in the psychological areas,
the parole psychiatrists now,

881
01:01:14,160 –> 01:01:16,280
they get about a 5% success
rate.

882
01:01:16,720 –> 01:01:20,640
It’s that complex.
It’s extremely complex and and

883
01:01:20,640 –> 01:01:25,760
they’re getting by more on drugs
now than than psychoanalysis, 5

884
01:01:25,760 –> 01:01:29,240
minutes more on drugs than
psychoanalysis.

885
01:01:29,800 –> 01:01:35,280
The point is everyone’s got
these and they vary in

886
01:01:35,280 –> 01:01:38,720
individuals.
Some men it says we read in the

887
01:01:38,720 –> 01:01:40,680
Psalm the other day.
I don’t know which Psalm one of

888
01:01:40,680 –> 01:01:46,160
you remember, but the wicked are
such from the womb and the day

889
01:01:46,160 –> 01:01:51,920
they’re born they’re wicked.
That seems to imply some people

890
01:01:51,920 –> 01:01:55,960
are very limited in these areas
and it varies from person to

891
01:01:55,960 –> 01:01:58,800
person.
The same as their speed here

892
01:01:59,280 –> 01:02:02,160
Peter and IA bit slow.
Other people would be great

893
01:02:02,520 –> 01:02:05,560
everything and some people are
very strong in this.

894
01:02:05,560 –> 01:02:08,600
Some are are very weak in this
summer, you know what I mean,

895
01:02:08,920 –> 01:02:12,520
But they’re all got it and they
vary And some people are quite

896
01:02:12,520 –> 01:02:16,320
low on some of these emotions
and some have got really short

897
01:02:16,320 –> 01:02:20,400
fuses, you know, and the anger
area, you know, and, and you

898
01:02:20,400 –> 01:02:24,120
know what the girls are liking
Do the same thing each day, but

899
01:02:24,120 –> 01:02:26,680
it comes certain days you’ve
done the same thing, but you’re

900
01:02:26,680 –> 01:02:33,720
in big trouble.
Thinks I’m going to get into

901
01:02:33,720 –> 01:02:39,960
trouble when I get home and I
and the The thing is there’s

902
01:02:39,960 –> 01:02:44,880
only one who could educate you
and give you the necessary

903
01:02:44,880 –> 01:02:49,960
experiences and the necessary
information to program this

904
01:02:50,200 –> 01:02:55,480
thing here because this area
here all right should rule It

905
01:02:55,480 –> 01:02:59,080
should be the key.
It should rule out all the IT

906
01:02:59,080 –> 01:03:07,200
should rule.
Ideally, your image and likeness

907
01:03:07,200 –> 01:03:11,560
of God should rule over your
animal passions.

908
01:03:11,560 –> 01:03:12,960
That’s the first step.
They should.

909
01:03:12,960 –> 01:03:18,520
But we know with the fall of
Adam, all right, the rulership

910
01:03:18,520 –> 01:03:23,400
got shifted to here to a large
extent, dinner, all right, the

911
01:03:23,400 –> 01:03:27,840
passions became inflamed and
they tended to rule.

912
01:03:28,720 –> 01:03:31,720
And that varies from individual
to individual.

913
01:03:32,440 –> 01:03:37,960
So we’ve got 5 minutes, the
beast, the the tempter, it says

914
01:03:38,080 –> 01:03:42,680
it said, it said let’s make man
in our image and likeness and

915
01:03:42,680 –> 01:03:46,600
I’ll leave that one up from time
to time when I come and study it

916
01:03:46,600 –> 01:03:49,360
and think about it.
You just got to take that and

917
01:03:49,360 –> 01:03:52,320
board yourself.
All the input output and how

918
01:03:52,320 –> 01:03:54,920
your mind thinks.
Had a young father the other

919
01:03:54,920 –> 01:03:58,040
night looking at it.
He spent two hours discussing

920
01:03:58,400 –> 01:04:01,480
and every time we’d take a
particular incident and what

921
01:04:01,480 –> 01:04:05,800
went on, this happened and then
that happened and we’d always

922
01:04:05,840 –> 01:04:08,520
get lost.
It was too complex to decide

923
01:04:08,520 –> 01:04:10,360
which was acting and reacting on
what.

924
01:04:11,400 –> 01:04:14,200
The mind’s too complex.
Our own mind’s too complex.

925
01:04:14,320 –> 01:04:16,520
Even though we’ve got to self
examine ourselves.

926
01:04:16,720 –> 01:04:20,800
We can only go so far.
We can only go so far.

927
01:04:21,160 –> 01:04:29,040
OK, I’m going to have to finish
on these.

928
01:04:29,160 –> 01:04:33,200
You’ve got First Kings chapter
8, 3839.

929
01:04:44,130 –> 01:04:46,010
This is the dedication of the
temple.

930
01:04:46,250 –> 01:04:49,810
First Kings chapter 8, verse 38
and 39.

931
01:04:50,690 –> 01:04:54,210
This is Solomon praying to God
about the temple.

932
01:04:54,450 –> 01:04:59,530
The temple’s the type of Christ.
Of course, verse 38, What prayer

933
01:04:59,530 –> 01:05:04,370
and supplication so ever be made
by any man, or by all thy

934
01:05:04,370 –> 01:05:06,920
people?
Israel, which shall know every

935
01:05:06,920 –> 01:05:12,760
man, The plague of his own heart
Is your heart the plague of your

936
01:05:12,760 –> 01:05:17,240
own heart?
Not particularly here and here

937
01:05:17,240 –> 01:05:20,680
and here are your heart, OK?
The plague of your own heart,

938
01:05:21,120 –> 01:05:24,080
the problems in your own mind,
OK.

939
01:05:24,600 –> 01:05:27,520
And he spreads forth his hands
toward this house.

940
01:05:28,040 –> 01:05:32,720
Then here, there in heaven thy
dwelling place, and forgive, and

941
01:05:32,720 –> 01:05:37,480
do, and give to every man,
according to his ways, whose

942
01:05:37,480 –> 01:05:43,560
heart thou knowest.
Then note this, for thou even

943
01:05:43,560 –> 01:05:49,960
thou only knowest the hearts of
all the children of men.

944
01:05:52,040 –> 01:05:54,160
And you know there’s Jeremiah
17.

945
01:05:54,640 –> 01:05:56,760
The heart is deceitful above all
things.

946
01:05:56,800 –> 01:06:01,280
Who can know it?
I, Yahweh, try the reigns of the

947
01:06:01,280 –> 01:06:05,480
heart.
Only He understands what’s

948
01:06:05,480 –> 01:06:07,520
really going on here in His
fullness.

949
01:06:08,040 –> 01:06:10,680
Only He can program it, educate
it.

950
01:06:11,000 –> 01:06:13,440
There’s nothing more wonderful
than education.

951
01:06:13,840 –> 01:06:16,440
People are looking for gifts for
the Holy Spirit.

952
01:06:16,640 –> 01:06:20,680
They want a physical experience.
There’s nothing more wonderful

953
01:06:21,000 –> 01:06:25,080
than God communicating His own
mind to your mind.

954
01:06:25,640 –> 01:06:28,200
There can’t be anything more
wonderful than that.

955
01:06:28,880 –> 01:06:31,720
The scriptures are called the
Holy Spirit in the dead

956
01:06:31,720 –> 01:06:35,000
Testament talk about the love of
God spreading your broaden your

957
01:06:35,000 –> 01:06:36,920
heart by the Holy Spirit.
What’s it mean?

958
01:06:36,920 –> 01:06:40,240
The Holy Spirit’s teaching of
the mind of Christ and God’s

959
01:06:40,240 –> 01:06:42,280
wants me.
There’s nothing more powerful.

960
01:06:42,520 –> 01:06:45,800
You can’t take on board anything
more powerful than life.

961
01:06:50,720 –> 01:06:54,080
It just can’t be done.
The problem is you can’t

962
01:06:54,080 –> 01:06:57,360
physically feel it.
The problem is that used to be

963
01:06:57,360 –> 01:06:59,280
education.
You think, oh, it’s just

964
01:06:59,280 –> 01:07:03,480
education, it’s just learning.
It’s a miraculous thing.

965
01:07:03,640 –> 01:07:08,400
It’s a thing we don’t even stand
for a baby’s born, born with a

966
01:07:08,400 –> 01:07:13,960
big head, born to be taught.
And so we have it in Hebrews.

967
01:07:13,960 –> 01:07:18,200
All things are naked and open
under the you know, the word of

968
01:07:18,200 –> 01:07:22,080
God is quick and powerful.
Now dividing us on the soul and

969
01:07:22,080 –> 01:07:24,280
the spirit.
The bone and marrow gets right

970
01:07:24,280 –> 01:07:30,360
in analysis the whole mind OK.
And all things are open under

971
01:07:30,360 –> 01:07:32,640
the eyes of him with whom we
have to do.

972
01:07:32,640 –> 01:07:36,800
That’s Hebrews 412 and 30.
That’s a bad translation.

973
01:07:36,800 –> 01:07:39,520
With whom we have to do it
should be rendered to whom we

974
01:07:39,520 –> 01:07:43,720
shall give account.
God only can analyse a human

975
01:07:43,720 –> 01:07:47,560
mindfully.
Christ learnt that ability, but

976
01:07:47,560 –> 01:07:50,480
he was given the power to read
people’s minds and the ability

977
01:07:50,480 –> 01:07:51,840
to do it.
He’s the only man.

978
01:07:52,600 –> 01:07:55,240
Sometimes we can read what
people are thinking to a limited

979
01:07:55,240 –> 01:07:58,760
degree, but no man knows the
spirit of a man except the

980
01:07:58,760 –> 01:08:02,560
spirit of a man himself really.
And even there he said Paul said

981
01:08:02,920 –> 01:08:06,280
Paul said when the Corinthians
I’m finishing when Paul said

982
01:08:07,160 –> 01:08:10,400
when Paul said the Corinthians
accused have not been a faithful

983
01:08:10,400 –> 01:08:13,200
stupid, not giving him enough of
the deep things of the word.

984
01:08:13,400 –> 01:08:15,640
He said, I think it’s a very
small thing that I should be

985
01:08:15,640 –> 01:08:17,439
judged as you of any man’s
judgement.

986
01:08:17,439 –> 01:08:20,479
He said I don’t know anything
against myself about being a

987
01:08:20,479 –> 01:08:22,960
faithful steward to you.
I think I’ve been a faithful

988
01:08:22,960 –> 01:08:28,680
steward, but I’m not thereby
justify judge nothing before the

989
01:08:28,680 –> 01:08:34,160
time he says God will bring to
light the hidden things of

990
01:08:34,160 –> 01:08:39,760
darkness and then will the
councils of the heart be made

991
01:08:39,760 –> 01:08:42,880
now and every man will receive
his proper reward.

992
01:08:43,359 –> 01:08:47,399
Only the judgement seat will
fully expose us, right?

993
01:08:47,640 –> 01:08:53,479
Only God in Christ can do that.
OK, so so one of the great

994
01:08:53,479 –> 01:08:54,840
principles.
What’s that got to do?

995
01:08:54,840 –> 01:08:57,439
The atonement.
The atonement is one of the

996
01:08:57,439 –> 01:09:01,000
great principles.
The atonement is we lack full

997
01:09:01,000 –> 01:09:05,520
discernment about ourselves.
We don’t fully understand how

998
01:09:05,520 –> 01:09:11,520
sinful we are, and we don’t
fully understand all about

999
01:09:11,520 –> 01:09:15,040
righteousness, God’s holy ways.
We don’t.

1000
01:09:16,040 –> 01:09:18,600
One man did.
We don’t.

1001
01:09:19,000 –> 01:09:22,479
We’ve got to grow in it.
And the more you grow in it, the

1002
01:09:22,479 –> 01:09:24,760
more you realize you don’t know
at all.

1003
01:09:26,319 –> 01:09:31,040
And the atonement is about
recognizing the potential, but

1004
01:09:31,040 –> 01:09:35,359
also your limitations.
That’s part of the confession.

1005
01:09:36,120 –> 01:09:36,920
We’ll leave it at that.