286: Jay Mayock – What Will the Kingdom Be Like? The Animals

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Welcome to Good Chris Selfie and
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of set the stage for the talk

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you’re about to listen to.
And now, let’s talk more about

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this week’s talk.
Hi everyone, it’s Jason Hensley

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and in this episode we are going
to be listening to a Class by

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Brother J Mayock given in
January 2024.

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This is a pretty recent addition
to our library.

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This class was given at the
Thousand Oaks, Christadelphia,

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Neclegia.
So also fairly close by the

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reason I really like this class.
This is #4 on a series about the

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Kingdom of God called What Will
the Kingdom Be Like?

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And I really liked it because
there’s a lot of pieces about

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the Kingdom.
I think that we often consider,

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or maybe take for granted,
things like eternal life or

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peace being brought amongst
everyone.

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And while those are very good
things to think about, I think

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they’re things that we often do
think about.

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That’s what I mean when I say
take them for granted.

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We we already think about them,
we know them.

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This topic though, this idea of
the animals, it’s one that we

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hear about, but I don’t really
feel like we think about it a

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lot.
What Brother Jay talks about

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here is what’s meant when
passages about the Kingdom tell

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us that the wolf will lie down
with the lamb.

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What’s the point of that?
What’s the whole idea going on?

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And one of the things that I I
really, really like that he does

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here is he presents the question
of is this literal or is it

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allegorical?
Are we literally going to see

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wolves lying down with sheep?
Is that going to be a thing or

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is this some kind of symbology?
I’m not.

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Going to answer that question
because I don’t want to give you

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a spoiler here, but go ahead,
listen to the class, see what

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you think about his answer.
I I absolutely love it.

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I think it’s a great approach
and I think it’s a really

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helpful way to get us picturing
what that Kingdom will be like

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and inspire us to want to be
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So.
Here it is Brother Jamioc what

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the Kingdom will be like class
#4, the animals.

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So this now is the it’s the last
piece of our examination of the

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Kingdom today, and I’ve left one
of one of the ones I’m most

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excited about for the end.
What’s it going to be like?

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What’s what’s going on in Isaiah
Chapter 11?

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One of the tricky things about
getting a vision of the Kingdom

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is that so many of the passages
that we read about are simply

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snapshots.
You can get a snapshot of

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something that’s happening at a
certain moment.

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There’s there’s precious little
description of long periods of

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time.
You get, you get a piece a flash

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of what’s going to be happening
in a particular period, and it’s

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up to us to kind of put them
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And this is one of the most
interesting ones.

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It’s interesting because I think
we use it a lot in lectures.

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We use it a lot with our
children as they’re growing up.

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I remember hearing about this a
whole lot, this transformation

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of the animals, and it got to a
point where I realized that I

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just didn’t know how to prove it
one way or another.

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This was my question.
Isaiah Chapter 11, Is this

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literal or allegorical?
And so I was having a hard time

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with us.
And rather than just sitting

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down and looking at things,
which I tried to do, I thought

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the best bet was to save as much
time as you can and talk to

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other brothers and sisters, to
listen to some classes, to read

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what’s been written.
And I think we’ve got so much

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available to do that now.
We have so much.

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I mean, could you imagine, like,
you know, Brother Cece Walker?

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Oh, we got brother Cece Walker
here.

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He’s hanging out.
He’s at the back over there.

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Nobody goes over to talk to him.
Ask him what he thinks about

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about Isaiah, Chapter 11, and
we’ve got him.

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He’s like back there, He wrote
Ministry of the Prophets with

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Brother Roberts.
Isaiah 11 was his section.

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What’s he think about?
We’ve got so much that’s been

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given to us, and it’s really
important to make use of those

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things.
And I’ve been so pleasantly

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surprised so many times,
particularly with some of the

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older stuff in our community
like the early.

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I see a lot of heads nodding
like early Christadelphia

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magazines, like early 1900s kind
of thing.

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Really helpful with a lot of
this kind of stuff.

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Is it literal or allegorical?
Here’s where I landed It’s

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literal and it’s allegorical.
Isn’t that great when it works

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out like that?
No, I really think you can prove

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it.
And that’s the thing.

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It’s a good question to ask
because in the day that we live

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in now, you’ve got all kinds of
goofy views about Genesis.

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It’s like, ah, it’s an allegory.
Chapters 1 to 11, Creation.

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It’s not really, was it what it
says, you know, Babel, that kind

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of stuff.
It’s an allegory, of course.

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It’s an allegory based upon a
literal narrative of what

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happened.
You can have it both ways.

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Types are allegories.
But it really happened.

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Joseph was a real man who lived
and who suffered and who was

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exalted and who died and who
waits for a real resurrection.

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But his life experience, the
impress of Messiah, is upon his

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life.
It’s literal and it’s

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allegorical.
So what’s the literal narrative

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all about?
And how would we prove that it

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is in fact, literal?
Well, I I think we just have to

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have a look at the way it was
way back at the beginning,

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right?
Is that where you start?

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And so in Genesis, it says that
in chapter one, verse 30, to

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every beast of the earth and to
every fowl of the air and to

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everything that creepeth upon
the earth, where in his life I

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have given every green herb for
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And it was so.
So the animals were once

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herbivorous.
Herbivorous.

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I don’t know how you say that
you know what it means.

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They didn’t eat meat in the
beginning, but the way it became

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was quite different.
So this this kind of docile and

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non threatening temperament at
the animals and also their

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abilities seem to have been
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And in Deuteronomy chapter 32,
which is a history of the nation

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of Israel, we give some of the
the judgments we’re given, some

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of the judgments from the mouth
of Moses that would come upon

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the nation.
I will also send the teeth of

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beasts upon them with the poison
of serpents of the dust.

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So these wild animals would
bring death and destruction to

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the people, to the children of
Israel when they broke God’s

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covenant.
Is this literal or allegorable?

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It’s at least literal that it
literally happened with the

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teeth of beasts.
Oh, you could ask those 42

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youths that were mauled by the
She Bears in the days of Elijah.

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That was literal.
You can also have a look at the

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the serpents and you can ask the
children of Israel who were

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plagued by those creatures
before they before Moses made

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one of brass and lifted it and
put it up on a pole.

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That was literal, wasn’t it?
But certainly they become

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allegorical of other things as
well, of other things that we’ll

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talk about.
What’s the allegorical meaning?

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What did these animals
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Who did these animals represent
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Yeah, I hear some whispering.
I don’t hear the words, but I

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think we’re on the same same
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That’s good.
Hosea 13.

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It says that God says that I’m
going to be unto them as a lion

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and as a leopard.
By the way, will I observe them?

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I will meet them as a bear that
is bereaved of her whelps, and

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will rend the call of their
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And there will I devour them
like a lion, and wild beasts

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shall tear them.
And he’s talking in particular

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the lion, the bear.
The leopards here used as

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symbols of nations.
Because God describes himself as

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wild animals that came to judge
the people, He was working

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amongst the nations to bring
them against his people in

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judgments against His covenant.
So check this out.

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You ready for this?
Isaiah, Chapter 11.

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It says in verse nine they shall
not hurt nor destroy in all my

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Holy Mountain.
So when did wild beasts hurt and

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destroy in Yahweh’s Holy
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When did they do that?
Israel is a scattered sheep.

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The lions have driven him away.
First the king of Assyria has

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devoured him.
And last, this Nebuchadnezzar

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king of Babylon hath broken his
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And so lions are used as symbols
of the kings of Assyria in

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Babylon, right?
Did Assyria make it into the

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city?
No.

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Sennacherib shook his first in
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He was ready to come up.
He sent his messenger down

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there, Rabcheka, to torment the
people and to encourage them to

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surrender.
But he never got in there,

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according to the prophecy of
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But it was different for
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He got into the city, didn’t he?
The city was burned.

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The children of Israel went into
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They hurt and destroyed in the
holy mountain back in those

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days.
And so where we have lions used

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as symbols of the kings of
Assyria in Babylon, domesticated

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sheep, scattered sheep are used
as symbols of Israel in this.

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In this parable that we have
here in this prophecy we also

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read about that we know this to
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The lion.
Daniel Chapter 7.

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The vision of the four beasts,
the bear, the leopard and that

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fourth beast.
And Rome eventually by 1:35 I

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believe it was just razed the
city to the ground and so do

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assault.
This is when the wild beasts,

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the nations came in to hurt and
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So just by way of summary, the
law predicted that Israel would

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be punished for breaking the
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And the curses of the law
described how Yahweh would bring

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wild animals and foreign nations
against them.

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And animals are often used as
symbols of the nations and the

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word of God.
Yeah, it’s a good little

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summering.
That’s where we are.

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So why is man described as being
a beast, nations, but also

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people themselves?
Well, the Apostle Peter

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described some that were
actually very active in the

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Ecclesia in the 1st century, and
they were causing lots of

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problems because they were
behaving like beasts, like

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animals.
And we’ll talk about what that

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means.
He says these as natural, brute

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beasts made to be taken and
destroyed, speak evil of the

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things they understand not and
shall utterly perish in their

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own corruption.
So that word natural there means

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physical or instinctive.
And that’s really the key here.

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That’s the that’s the amazing
thing about what happens in

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Isaiah Chapter 11 is that
animals are we’re all built with

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our own instincts, animal
instincts, animals and people.

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And it’s one of the reasons why
it’s got to be one of the

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reasons why animals, beasts, and
man are created on the 6th day.

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Because you get to choose
whether or not you’re going to

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be like the beasts who were
created on the 6th day or the

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God who created you in his
image.

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That’s that’s what our choices
and that word root there means.

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Irrational or unreasonable, they
can’t reason, and that’s what

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it’s all about with the animal.
The animal is is someone who

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can’t attain to spiritual
things.

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In particular, Jude 10 talks
about that as well, if you’re

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keeping track.
So beasts or wild animals are

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natural.
They’re instinctive, they’re

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governed by their instincts.
They’re irrational.

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They can’t reason beyond those
instincts.

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They’re violent, their
destructive and second Peter

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would tell us that they are also
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That is that’s what a beast is
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So when we come here to Isaiah,
Chapter 11, and we’ve already

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seen how it was in the rest of
the scriptures of truth at the

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very beginning, how it was at
the very beginning in natural

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creation, I’m going to ask you
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Can you think about any other
passages in scripture that give

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us a glimpse of the
possibilities of animal

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transfer, animal transformation
in the Kingdom?

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Ever thought about like that,
where animals like go against

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their instincts?
Cause the stuff we read about

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Isaiah 11 is not natural.
Can you think of anything You

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can call this one out?
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Good.
Daniel, Chapter 6.

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OK OK All right.
Oh, Noah’s ark.

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Balaam’s donkey.
What’s another one?

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It’s a bunch of them.
It’s interesting, right?

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You start to think about it.
It’s like, wait a minute.

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Is is Isaiah 11 like, the only
time those kinds of things

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happen?
No.

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We get little glimpses along the
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Interesting.
So here, here’s a list that I

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put together.
If we have some other ones,

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that’d be great to hear as we go
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It says that they went in unto
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two and two of all flesh.
Wherein is the breath of life,

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huh?
Natural instincts would not

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encourage, excuse me, would not
lead the animals into the ark.

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Like, obviously God is involved
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These animals are coming to
Noah.

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They’re going against something
that’s natural.

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Their instincts are being like
something else is happening

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here.
First, Kings chapter 13.

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Remember you got like the
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and he gets mauled by the lion.
Remember that whole episode

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here?
In verse 28 it says he went and

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found his body.
So there’s two different He’s

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here like you don’t go and find
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Anyway, he went and found his
body thrown in the road and the

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donkey and the lion standing
beside the body.

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The lion had not eaten the body
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Huh.
Natural instincts would not

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encourage the donkey to remain
beside a lion, would it?

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Like this is what’s going on
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It’s not our time to talk about
this particular parable.

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It really happened, but it was
to signify something, and these

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natural instincts would not
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body he had already killed.
What kind of lion does that,

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necessarily?
I don’t have a lot of experience

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with lions, but it seems out of
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Natural instincts would also not
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this donkey.
It literally happened, but it

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was meant to signify something
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What about this one?
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God says to Elijah, I have
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thee there.
Ravens are going to feed you.

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Yuck.
Ravens brought them bread and

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flesh in the morning.
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These are scavengers, whether
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kind of scavenging bird.
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natural instincts would not
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regular intervals.
I mean, OK, let’s say it was

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normal for them to do that.
They’re like he’s on time Again,

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it’s unbelievable.
Do we believe that literally

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happened?
Of course we do.

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But it was meant to teach Elijah
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prepare him for the work of
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Later on Daniel chapter six.
My God had sent his Angel and

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has shut the lion’s mouths that
they have not hurt me.

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Natural instincts would not
close the mouths of hungry

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lions.
This is totally unnatural.

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And then, of course, in verse
24, neither would natural

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instincts open the lion’s mouths
at the very moment the

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additional guests arrived in
their den, and they had the

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mastery over them, as the King
James says, right.

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I mean, this is this stuff has
happened before.

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Things that are similar to it,
that that kind of provide us a

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glimpse of possibilities.
Sizzle, right?

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It’s a big one.
Fish.

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A great fish swallowing a person
only to release him safely on

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land a few days later.
God is at work here.

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I want to go.
I want to go to one of my

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favorite ones here.
This is absolutely one of my

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favorites.
We’ll visit this context

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tomorrow, God willing, in the
exhortation.

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Again, I’m not a farmer, you
know that.

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I don’t know a lot about
animals, but it says in Luke

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chapter 19, Jesus speaking to
two of his disciples, go ye into

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the village over against you.
In the witch that you’re

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entering, you shall find a cult
tide we’re on yet never man set

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loose him and bring him.
Hit her.

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And they brought him to Jesus.
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upon the colt, and they set
Jesus thereon.

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Never had anyone sit on this
animal.

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Now, I don’t know a lot about
these things, but I’m pretty

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sure any of us would try that.
You would have a rodeo before

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very long, but the Lord has
dominion over this animal and

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majestically rides into the city
under this, this crowd of

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emotional people crying hosanna,
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Can you imagine?
And it’s a sign to the disciples

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that this animal’s never been
ridden and he just majestically

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moves into the city.
All these are little glimpses

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of.
A transformation that is coming

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in the future.
So what’s the way that it will

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be?
Because they’re actually a lot

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of prophecies that describe this
kind of thing happening in the

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Kingdom and in particular in the
nation of Israel.

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And it begins, I would suggest
to you, in Hosea chapter 2, In

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Hosea Chapter 2, verse 18, God
says that in that day, and this

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is this is now, Israel’s come to
the end of their journey.

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This isn’t the future where
they’re about to come into the

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land wherever they’re coming
from Assyria or from Egypt, and

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they’re coming into the land at
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And God says, I will make a
covenant for them with the

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beasts of the field and with the
fowls of heaven and with the

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creeping things of the ground.
And I will break the bow and the

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sword and the battle out of the
earth and will make them to lie

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down safely.
And we’ve got a blending here of

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of allegorical and of literal
here.

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So let’s just kind of unpack it
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And what we’re going to notice
is that you might not be

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convinced totally from this
passage in Hosea, but you’ll

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see, you’ll see the force of
passages that sit on top of each

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other that will become more
powerful as we move along.

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So just go with it.
In Hosea, chapter two, we have

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the beasts and the fowls of
heaven and the creeping things

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of the ground that are no longer
going to desolate the people of

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God.
That’s the inference here behind

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the covenant that would suggest.
But in addition to that, I will

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break the bow and the sword and
the battle out of the earth, God

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says.
And that’s all done through a

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covenant with the animals.
For Israel and you, what the

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result is from all of that, it’s
rest.

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It’s rest for the father’s
flock.

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I will make them to lie down
safely.

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That’s language that’s used of,
like shepherds that are leading

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their flocks and lead them to
safety.

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It’s it’s the Psalm 23
reference.

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He maketh me lie down.
And there’s some other passages

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that I think maybe we’ll go to
one of them.

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It’s in Ezekiel chapter 34.
That’s a good one to go to.

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Now, when you think about
Ezekiel chapter 34, what’s the

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word that jumps out into your
mind when you hear Ezekiel 34?

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You think about the chapter
before 35, yes, but it’s it’s

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it’s the chapter about shepherds
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So in Ezekiel chapter 34, we’ll
have a look at verse 25 and

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listen to how similar this is
here.

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There’s also a passage keeping
track in Leviticus 26 verses

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6:00 and 9:00, but they just
want to have a look at the

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prophet here.
Verse 25 says, I will make with

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them so speaking about Israel a
covenant of peace and will cause

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the evil beasts to cease out of
the land, and they shall dwell

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safely in the wilderness and
sleep in the woods.

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Now the wilderness isn’t like
the wilderness coming up into

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the wilderness.
It’s a particular area of the

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area of the land of promise,
which itself will blossom.

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But if we keep reading down, it
says in verse 28, listen to this

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and they shall no more be a prey
to the heathen.

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Neither shall the beast of the
land devour them, but they shall

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dwell safely, and none shall
make them afraid.

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So these are wild beasts.
But it’s also talking about

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later in verse 28.
It’s it’s the heathen, A prey to

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the heathen.
We have like an allegorical

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reason coming out here too.
There’s a blending of that here

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in Ezekiel chapter 34, I would
suggest, just as there are there

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is in Hosea 2 and as there is in
Isaiah Chapter 11.

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And it’s all part of a pattern
because that’s how it was

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originally and God gives us
little glimpses of that

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throughout the Scriptures as
we’ve just gone through.

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So what about what happens here
in the Holy Mountain?

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So open your Bibles to Isaiah
Chapter 11, if you would.

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We’ll spend a little bit of time
here and just highlight some

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some thoughts here.
This is.

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It’s wonderful to see this
Isaiah Chapter 11 beginning at

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verse six.
I’m going to emphasize a word

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here.
The wolf also shall dwell with

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the lamb, and the leopard shall
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Now what?
It doesn’t say.

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It doesn’t say that the lamb
will lie down with the wolf.

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That kind of gives you the idea
that the lamb is going to the

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wolf.
It doesn’t say that the goat is

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going to go lay down with the
leopard.

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It’s the it’s the wolf coming
and dwelling with.

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It’s the leopard coming and
dwelling with and lying down

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because the with of this
allegorical, of this literal

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event.
This is the allegorical truth.

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They come to Israel.
It’s the wild animals that come

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to the domesticated ones, the
sheep and the kid, the

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domesticated animals.
In scripture, especially in the

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prophets, we’re talking about
Israel, an animal that has been

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taught and and look at this,
this is over here.

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The calf and the young lion and
the fatling together their young

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ones shall lie down together so
that together word we’re talking

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Jews and Gentiles here.
Remember, there were wild beasts

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that came up, the lions of
Assyria that did come up and

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hurt and destroy in the past in
the holy mountain of God.

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But it’s not going to be like
that anymore.

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In the future, there’s going to
be this literal event in the

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mountains of Israel that people
will be able to see, and it’s

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going to be instructive to them,
just as the other glimpses of

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future possibilities are
instructive in particular

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lessons.
But this lesson has everything

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to do with Jew and Gentile
together.

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And you know what the other
wonderful thing is?

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If it’s true that we’re talking
about Israel and the Gentiles

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here, you know what else it
says?

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It says their young ones shall
lie down together.

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You know what that means?
They’re not going to be brought

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up, these gentile nations to
hate Israel anymore because

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their young ones will be brought
up together.

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That’s the picture that we’re
being given here.

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It’s like another generation of
these, these animals coming

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along together, Jew and gentile.
And it’s not a truce, it’s not

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an Armistice, it’s not a
ceasefire.

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It’s actual real peace.
It’s a dwelling together.

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It’s a fellowship.
It’s a lying down and safety.

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It’s it’s a being fed eating of
the same food to sustain both

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Jew and Gentile.
That’s a that’s an incredible

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picture, isn’t it?
It’s a prophet from 2600 years

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ago.
Look at the world today.

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And these are the things that
are going to happen in the

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future and God willing will see
those things.

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So what?
What’s the lesson here in Isaiah

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Chapter 11 and verse nine?
It says that they shall not hurt

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nor destroy in all my holy
mountain, for the earth shall be

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full of the knowledge of the
Lord as the waters cover the

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sea.
Now, it might be kind of strange

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to like, think about animals and
their instincts as having like,

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because that’s what’s being
talked about here.

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Animals with their instincts are
going to receive a different

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kind of knowledge.
They might say, OK, that’s

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that’s kind of weird.
Aren’t we talking about people

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here?
Of course we’re talking about

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people here but can you think of
anywhere else in scripture where

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it describes animals having
wisdom?

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Can you You got you got your
Proverbs 30.

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Come on these animals that are
small and yet they are exceeding

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wise and what’s what’s the
spirit talking about there?

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God’s talking about the
instincts that the that were

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built into the the animals.
It’s a kind of wisdom.

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Those kinds of things are gonna
be changed for the animals that

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are there in the holy mountain,
in the Kingdom.

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But even that’s not the
fullness.

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We’re not just talking about new
instincts for the animals, those

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new instincts for the animals,
which it’s a real thing.

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It’s a literal thing.
It’s a parable.

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It’s an allegory.
Because the nations are gonna be

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taught to change their behavior,
to glorify God, which will be

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filling the earth at that time.
Is that what we’re doing right

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now?
I mean, we’re we’ve got the

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animal nature in us.
That’s what needs to be changed,

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right?
Our actual natures.

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And we’re we strive against
those things, to crucify the

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flesh with its affections and
lusts and live after the spirit

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of Him who does, right?
Following in his footsteps.

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Are they going to learn anything
different in the Kingdom when

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the nations come up?
Their journey was our journey at

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that time.
It’s it’s a beautiful picture.

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There will be new instincts for
the animals in the Holy Mountain

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and there will be new
instruction for the nations.

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So how do we, how do we kind of
wrap this up and and summarize

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this?
Well, this is the best I could

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do and I’ll just read this up
here.

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The taming of the animals in the
Holy Mountain is a symbol of the

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taming of the nations that takes
place there too.

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Where does all this happen in
the Holy Mountain?

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What does Isaiah teach us about
what they’re going to learn

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about in the Holy Mountain?
Turn to Isaiah Chapter 2.

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You ever wonder what they’re
going to like?

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00:31:27,520 –> 00:31:28,760
What?
What’s the take away?

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And they’re going to learn many
things.

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But how would you summarize
that?

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How would Isaiah summarize what
it is that the nations are going

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to be taught when they go up and
they see these wonders in the

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land?
Chapter 2.

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It says, verse two, it shall
come to pass in the last days,

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that the mountain of the Lord’s
house shall be established in

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the top of the mountains and
shall be exalted above the

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hills, and all nations shall
flow into it.

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And many, many people shall go
and say, come here, let us go up

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to the mountain of the Lord, to
the House of the God of Jacob.

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And he will teach us of His
ways, and we will walk in his

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paths.
And guess what path it will take

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00:32:15,920 –> 00:32:21,560
to get up there?
We’re going to take the way that

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the Jews already took up.
Right.

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We’ll walk in his paths.
We’re out of Zion shall go forth

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00:32:27,400 –> 00:32:30,880
the word of the shall go forth
the law and the word of the Lord

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from Jerusalem.
And specifically in verse four

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it says that he shall judge
among the nations, and shall

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00:32:38,880 –> 00:32:46,440
rebuke many people, and they
shall beat their swords into

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00:32:46,440 –> 00:32:51,160
plowshares and their Spears into
pruning hooks.

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Nation shall not lift up sword
against nation, neither shall

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they learn war anymore.
In other words, the nations will

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learn when they come up, not to
hurt or destroy in all my holy

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mount like you used to do, or
anywhere else in the earth.

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In other words, the animal
nations will be taint and they

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will see a picture.
Can you imagine going up there

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as as we hope, we will be able
to see these things too.

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And you see these animals
hanging out together, chilling

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00:33:36,760 –> 00:33:41,440
out together, eating stuff they
don’t normally eat with animals

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00:33:41,440 –> 00:33:45,960
that they would usually eat.
And these families from all

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00:33:45,960 –> 00:33:47,800
parts of the world that we’re
reading about here in Isaiah

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00:33:47,800 –> 00:33:51,680
Chapter 2, look up and they say
what’s going on here and they

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00:33:51,680 –> 00:33:54,800
learn about what it means.
Don’t hurt or destroy all the

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00:33:54,800 –> 00:33:56,840
Holy Mountain anymore, and don’t
do it back home either.

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And swords go into plowshares
and the fruitfulness of the

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earth starts to pick up and it
gets bigger and bigger as

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nations obey.
And there’s going to be, there

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00:34:07,000 –> 00:34:10,320
will be those among the
redeemed.

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00:34:10,880 –> 00:34:13,679
We hope to be one of them who
helped to enact all of this

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00:34:13,679 –> 00:34:15,600
fruitfulness all throughout the
earth.

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During this time, we’re going to
be the doers of these wonderful

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00:34:18,840 –> 00:34:26,560
things that we look forward to.
So in the Holy Mountain, animals

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that were once carnivorous will
be changed.

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It will be a literal wonder.
Remember, that’s how it was at

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00:34:34,639 –> 00:34:37,400
the beginning.
And we get little glimpses of

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00:34:37,400 –> 00:34:40,520
the glimpses of that as we move
throughout the scriptures.

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00:34:40,800 –> 00:34:46,320
The nations will ascend the Holy
Mountain to learn about the

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00:34:46,320 –> 00:34:57,160
gospel, and that natural wonder
will be a symbol of spiritual

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00:34:57,160 –> 00:34:59,160
transformation.
That will be the encouragement

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00:34:59,160 –> 00:35:01,520
for them to do what they’re
supposed to do.

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00:35:01,840 –> 00:35:04,800
And we look at that and we’re
like, you know, we’re coming up

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00:35:04,800 –> 00:35:07,120
with our, you know, put yourself
in the shoes of those families

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00:35:07,120 –> 00:35:08,840
that will be going up, because
it won’t be us.

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00:35:09,680 –> 00:35:13,360
We will be there in Zion
already, ready to teach, ready

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00:35:13,360 –> 00:35:16,400
to instruct, ready to help pour
out the blessings upon the

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00:35:16,400 –> 00:35:19,720
obedient at that particular
time, and to correct the wicked,

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which will be part of it.
But that is the picture that

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we’re being given there.
And what we have to do is we

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00:35:26,400 –> 00:35:31,320
have to join together with
Isaiah the prophet, because we

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00:35:31,320 –> 00:35:34,600
didn’t read all of that little
section there, that opening

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vision.
I want you to turn back, if

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00:35:35,960 –> 00:35:37,920
you’re not there again to Isaiah
Chapter 2.

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You know, we’re looking at all
of these things in the future.

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And Isaiah is given in the
Providence of God and through

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00:35:46,120 –> 00:35:51,200
the blessing of God, these
incredible visions that were so

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00:35:51,200 –> 00:35:55,480
far ahead of his time.
He talks about Egypt and he

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00:35:55,480 –> 00:35:58,120
talks about Assyria.
And they were nations who were

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00:35:58,120 –> 00:36:01,560
antagonistic to Israel at those
at that very time.

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00:36:02,320 –> 00:36:05,800
And he prophesized through the
through the spirit of God, those

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00:36:05,800 –> 00:36:07,520
nations are going to be
converted at the end.

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00:36:08,000 –> 00:36:11,720
He talks about all that in
Isaiah 19, and he sees this

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00:36:11,720 –> 00:36:17,920
vision of the future, and he
sees the people coming up, and

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00:36:17,920 –> 00:36:21,280
he hears the conversations that
they will speak, and he learns

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00:36:21,280 –> 00:36:23,880
about the teaching that they
will embrace at that particular

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00:36:23,880 –> 00:36:26,400
time.
And he he, he comes out of the

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00:36:26,400 –> 00:36:28,840
vision, as it were, at the end
of verse four and at the

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00:36:28,840 –> 00:36:30,480
beginning of verse 5.
And look what he says.

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He says, O House of Jacob, come
ye and let us walk in the light

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00:36:40,160 –> 00:36:42,640
of the Lord.
And and that’s what we do.

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00:36:42,640 –> 00:36:45,080
We come, we look at that vision.
We’re like, wow.

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And we we come away from that
and we look at each other.

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00:36:49,000 –> 00:36:51,160
And for Isaiah, he looked around
and it broke his heart.

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00:36:51,160 –> 00:36:56,400
They didn’t want to hear it, but
we want to hear it.

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00:36:57,600 –> 00:37:00,120
We do want to hear it.
We do want to be changed by it.

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00:37:02,240 –> 00:37:04,520
And we look at each other as
part of the Commonwealth of

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00:37:04,520 –> 00:37:08,240
Israel, the household of faith.
And we say to each other, come

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00:37:08,240 –> 00:37:11,960
on, let’s go now and walk in the
light of the Lord.

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00:37:12,000 –> 00:37:18,840
Now do the things that we’re
supposed to be doing, so that

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00:37:18,840 –> 00:37:21,560
when the Lord returns, we will
walk in the light of the Lord

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00:37:23,920 –> 00:37:42,680
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