Matt Colby – Reasons to Believe – Class 1 – The Athiest Delusion

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You could probably say that in a
really broad sense.

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You could place everybody in the
world into one of three

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different categories.
You could say either they’re a

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theist, which means they they
believe in either a God or

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multiple gods.
They’re an agnostic, which means

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they they don’t have an opinion
or they’re undecided one way or

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the other, or they’re an
atheist, which means that they

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would tell you they believe that
there is no God.

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Now, I realize that these
categories are pretty broad, and

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for our purposes in this class
right now, when we talk about a

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theist, let’s talk about
somebody who’s religious, and

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more specifically, let’s talk
about a Christian.

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And more specifically, we want
to think about ourselves.

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Christadelphians because there
are people who could fit into

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this category who aren’t
religious.

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For example, there are people
who are called deists so that

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deists believe in a God, but
they don’t believe that that God

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has anything to do with mankind.
They may believe that that God

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created all things, but there’s
no message from that God, so

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they don’t care too much.
So for our purposes, let’s say

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religious people,
Christadelphians, Christians,

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belong in this left hand
category, the theist.

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And on the far right side we
have the atheist, the person who

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says there is no God.
And in the middle there’s this

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large group of people and there
might be a lot of reasons why

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they’re undecided.
They might be on the fence and

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they’ve looked at the evidence
for God, or the evidence that

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there is no God and they’re
undecided.

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Or they may have have been
religious at one point, or have

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been an atheist at one point and
and over time they’ve just sort

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of gotten cynical and decided
that they don’t care.

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Whatever the reason right now
for this class, we really care

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about those two outside opposite
categories, The two people who

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really most strongly disagree
with each other, the theist and

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the atheist or the
Christadelphian and the atheist.

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Because there’s one thing that
these two groups have in common

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that really bind them together
in a way you might not have

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realized.
We talk sometimes about post

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modernism and that’s the idea
that that there’s no universal

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truth, there’s no absolute
truth.

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We’ve talked about it a lot, and
at this point it’s it’s actually

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kind of an old subject.
But a lot of people in that

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middle category who are agnostic
might feel that way.

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That there’s no absolute truth,
That you can have something that

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is truth to you and I can have
something that’s truth to me,

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and that they can be our truths
can even be opposite and opposed

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to each other.
But because there’s no greater

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truth, there’s only self truth,
the truth that matters to the

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person.
And both the Christadelphian and

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the atheist reject that idea
because just like the religious

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person, the atheist also
believes in an absolute

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universal truth.
Both groups are looking for

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truth and they care about it and
they believe there is the truth

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that you can find.
And that’s why they’re willing

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to say either there is a God or
there is no God.

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And that’s why sometimes, quite
often you’ll see see people who

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were religious, they don’t
become agnostic.

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They they go all the way to the
other side and become atheists

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or people who are atheists and
they all of a sudden believe in

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God because because the common
binding characteristic is that

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they both care an awful lot
about truth.

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Now this first class, it’s the
title is The Atheist Delusion

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and it’s based on a book that
was published in 2007.

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So the title is kind of a parody
of this book, The God Delusion.

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And The God Delusion was was
written by a man named Richard

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Dawkins.
Richard Dawkins is a professor

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of evolutionary biology at
Oxford University, and he’s one

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of the most famous New Atheists
in the world today.

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So a New Atheist is sort of a
more modern movement.

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The New Atheists are a little
bit different from regular

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atheists and that they actually
are really outspoken and

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disliked.
They’re outspoken against

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religion.
They think religion is is really

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bad and they attack it and they
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it.
And this is sort of what

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separates the New Atheists from
just general atheists.

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They’re not content to just
believe there’s no God.

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They want to attack the people
who believe that there is a God

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and try to try to change their
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And so when this book was
published in 2007, it was very

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controversial.
It was very popular in some

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circles.
It was what we would call

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polarizing it.
It created a lot of arguments.

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And if you were to read it,
you’d find some main themes that

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that run throughout it.
And I’m going to, I’m going to

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put these main themes up on the
screen.

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These are not chapter headings
in the book or subheadings or

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anything like that.
These are just generally the

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main themes you would find in
the book.

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So Richard Dawkins, some of his
main messages in the book are

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these that faith is blind, but
that science is based on

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evidence that science supports
atheism and not Christianity.

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So in this book, even though
Richard Dawkins is attacking

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religion and belief in a God in
general, he’s very specifically

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doesn’t like Christianity and is
attacking the Christian

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religion.
The design is dead.

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Otherwise you have to explain
who designed the designer, that

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religion is dangerous, that
nobody needs God to be moral.

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This is actually a slogan on the
side of a bus in the UK at one

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time.
Good without God.

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And it would have famous people
who were also atheists whose

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faces were on the side of the
bus, and it would say so and so

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is good without God.
And finally, that Christian

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claims about the person of Jesus
are not true and that his

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miracles violate the laws of
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So these are some of the themes
that run throughout this book.

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And so you can tell it’s it’s
quite a heavy book and it’s got

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a lot of challenges for people
who who are religious people

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like Christadelphians who who do
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And we’re not going to be able
to tackle every single one of

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these items in our classes this
weekend, but we’re going to

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cover a lot of them, and we’re
going to start at the beginning

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of this list.
Richard Dawkins has said that

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faith is blind, but science is
based on evidence.

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Now, I mentioned to you that
these new atheists like

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Professor Richard Dawkins are
very much militant.

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They’re outspoken in their
attacks on religion and on

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Christianity.
And this is very much true of

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Richard Dawkins.
I’m going to show you a quote

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where he talks about how much he
dislikes faith, how bad he

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thinks faith is.
This quote is quite old now.

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It’s from 1997, but here here
are the kind of things that he

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has to say about faith in a
publication called The Humanist

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he wrote.
It is fashionable to wax

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apocalyptic about the threat to
humanity posed by the AIDS

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virus, mad cow disease and many
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But I think a case can be made
that faith is one of the world’s

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great evils, comparable to the
smallpox virus but harder to

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eradicate.
Faith, being belief that isn’t

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based on evidence, is the
principal vice of any religion.

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Now, I don’t know if you
noticed, but just there, he said

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that faith is just as bad as as
viruses that are destroying

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lives that are killing hundreds
and thousands and hundreds of

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thousands of people around the
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He says faith is that bad, and
now he defines it as believing

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in something when there’s no
evidence.

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And Richard Dawkins, when he
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and when he talks about faith,
we start to see that he’s now

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outside of his field of
expertise, because this is not

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how we define religious faith at
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There’s a word for that.
We would call that blind faith,

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but that’s not biblical faith.
Now I’m going to play for you a

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video clip.
In 2007, The God Delusion was

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published and later that same
year there was a debate between

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Richard Dawkins and another man
named John Lennox.

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And John Lennox’s a professor of
mathematics and historian of

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science, also at Oxford
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He also is a Christian
apologist, which means he spends

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his time defending the Christian
religion and he debated Richard

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Dawkins on 2 occasions, and the
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2007.
And the subject of that first

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debate was The God Delusion,
because it had just been

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published and this video clip,
it’s about two minutes long.

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These two men are talking about
faith and the nature of faith

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and what it means.
And here’s where things get

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tricky.
I’m going to try to bring the

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laptop up here and put the
microphone up against the

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speakers.
We’ll see how that works.

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Oh, thank you.
That’s way better.

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Thank you very much.
All right.

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I apologize for the video
quality here, but hopefully the

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sound is good.
We’ll find out.

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When you say faith is rational
and evidence based, I mean is

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that true?
What needs to be faith I mean is

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that is that evidence for it?
Why do you need to call it faith

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and say that evidence?
Remember you said with that the

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faith in relative in Einstein
theory of the relative is is.

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That’s of course serious, but.
The the evidence is is all

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important in Einstein.
Predictions fitting with with

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fact and the whole body of
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Whereas we only need to use the
faith and there isn’t any

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evidence you should you’ve got
faith in your life.

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Is there any evidence for that?
Yes, yes, yes, plenty evidence.

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I.
Let’s generalize.

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No, I’m not my wife.
Let’s say let’s.

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Say, let’s say in general, how
do we know that somebody loves

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us?
OK, you could use the word.

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It’s not.
It’s not the right use of the

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word because you you know.
Why, no.

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I love you because all sorts of
little signs catches in the

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voice of people looks in the
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That’s the evidence.
That’s not safe.

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Well, they’re coming down to
pure, to pure magics, I think.

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Even if there’s too much like
capacity, it’s

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I like to leave that clip
playing a few seconds longer

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than I need to so we can see
Richard Dawkins sputter.

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But I would encourage you to go
watch the whole thing, because

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while Richard Dawkins loses that
particular discussion on the

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nature of faith, the whole
debate is very much, very far

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from being one sided.
It’s very interesting.

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You could go online and and
watch it.

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I think it’s about an hour long.
And when he comes up against the

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simple contention that that yes,
you can use the word faith, even

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when there’s evidence involved,
he has to fall back on saying,

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well, we’ve just come down to
pure semantics, which means

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we’ve come down to the
definition of the word, which of

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course that was the whole nature
of this discussion, debating the

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meaning of the word faith.
Now, I’m sure that throughout

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the course of his life, Richard
Dawkins has come into contact

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with many religious people who
have what we would call blind

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faith is to say they don’t.
They can’t really explain to you

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why they believe what they
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They don’t really have evidence
that they know about, and I’m

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sure that shaped his feeling
about religion in general.

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But that’s not biblical faith.
I’d like you to come with me to

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Hebrews Chapter 11.
And of course you might have

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guessed we might go here, the
great chapter on faith, Hebrews

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Chapter 11.
I’m going to start reading from

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the beginning of the chapter in
verse one.

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I’m going to read the 1st 3
verses for context, I’ll be

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reading from the ESV now.
Faith is the assurance of things

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hoped for, the conviction of
things not seen for by it.

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The people of old received their
condom commendation.

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By faith.
We understand that the universe

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was created by the word of God,
so that what is seen was not

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made out of things that are
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Now when I read verse one I read
from the ESV it said faith is

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the conviction of things not
seen.

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Some of you are probably reading
from the King James and this was

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probably your memory verse as it
was mine, It says faith in the

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King James is the evidence of
things not seen and that’s a

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good translation of the word.
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evidence in the Greek is alejos,
and it means a proof or a test,

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like the act of presenting
evidence of the truth of

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something.
That’s the very, very much tied

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in the Bible to the very
definition of faith.

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Our our faith is is very much
based upon evidence.

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Biblical Faith, Christadelphian
Faith.

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You couldn’t have it without the
evidence.

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And the whole purpose of this
series of classes as we go

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forward tonight and this
weekend, is to talk about that

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evidence.
Evidence that God is real, that

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he exists.
Evidence that Jesus was his son,

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and that at a point in time a
man really was raised from the

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dead.
As incredible as that may seem.

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Evidence that what we have in
front of us truly was preserved

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in a unique and special way to
prove to us that it really is

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the word of God.
Evidence that the the original

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Christian religion in its pure
form is the one true religion

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that contains truth.
I’d like you to come with me to

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Romans chapter one.
Have a look at this.

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The Apostle Paul wrote this
starting at verse 16 Romans

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chapter one.
He said I am not ashamed of the

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gospel for it is the power of
God for salvation to everyone

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who believes to the Jew 1st and
also to the Greek.

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For in it the righteousness of
God is revealed from faith to

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faith.
As it is written, the righteous

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shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed

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from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness

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of men who by their
unrighteousness suppress the

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truth.
For what can be known about God

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is plain to them, because God
has shown it to them.

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For his invisible attributes,
namely his eternal power and

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divine nature, have been clearly
perceived ever since the

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creation of the world and the
things that have been made.

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So they are without excuse.
Paul says if you simply observe

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nature, you can see there the
stamp of the Creator.

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God has shown it to you.
This was deliberate.

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God put himself there for you to
see in His very design of

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creation.
So if you ask the question what

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is science?
One correct answer would be it’s

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simply the observance of nature.
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cataloging it, testing it.
So put another way, you could

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say that Paul said through
science we can see the stamp of

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our creator.
We should be able to look at

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science and see God.
Now the title of this class,

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besides being based on on the
book The God Delusion, is it

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really has two meanings, the
atheist delusion and and one of

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them is more obvious than the
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The first one, of course, is the
one you might have thought that

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that atheists are are deluded
and they’re thinking.

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But the other, less obvious
meaning is, is that atheists

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have been deluding the world
with a particular message.

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And the message is this, that
science and religion are opposed

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to each other, that it’s an
ongoing battle between the two

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and they cannot be reconciled
and one or the other must win.

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But they cannot live together in
harmony.

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And just by saying science
versus religion, that frames the

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subject in that way.
And you hear that quite often

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today.
Perhaps you’ve heard it in

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school.
Now let’s let’s do a mental

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exercise here.
Let’s imagine that somewhere, in

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some remote part of the world,
in a jungle somewhere, somebody

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left a brand new Ford truck, and
then they took off, just left it

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there.
And nearby is a tribe of

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aboriginals, and this tribe has
no idea that anybody else exists

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in the world.
They don’t know anything about

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the rest of human society or
technology or anything else.

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They’re very primitive.
But they stumble upon this brand

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new Ford truck.
They can’t even begin to explain

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it.
It doesn’t look like anything

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else in their environment.
And let’s imagine that whoever

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left it there left it with a
tank full of gas and the keys in

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the ignition.
So eventually, as as they’re

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playing around with it, they
figure out how to turn it on and

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they figure out how to drive it.
It’s incredible.

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But they can’t explain it.
They can’t even begin to explain

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it.
What do they do?

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What do they say?
Well, the same thing that

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ancient humans did for hundreds
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They say it’s magic and they say
it’s a God and they worship the

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truck.
And on the front of it are the

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letters Ford in a language they
don’t know, they can’t

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understand.
So this is Ford the God, and

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they worship the truck as as a
God.

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Isn’t that what happened for
hundreds of years in ancient

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human history and many
societies?

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But let’s imagine that over
time, they’re actually able to

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figure it out.
They can actually reverse

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engineer the truck, take it all
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They figure out how it works,
and they can then put it back

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together, maybe even build a new
one.

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They understand the mechanics of
how the truck works.

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What do they do now?
Well, they realized they took it

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apart.
There was no God.

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They got down to the smallest
piece.

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There was no, they didn’t find
God in the truck.

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So not only do they say this
truck is not a God, they say

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this truck didn’t have a
creator.

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It just happened.
There was no mind behind this

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truck, despite the fact that it
clearly was designed for a

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specific, unique purpose.
No mind behind it because we can

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explain how it works.
We can explain the mechanics of

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it.
Now, you and I know that’s

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ridiculous because we have more
knowledge.

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We know that, well, Henry Ford
didn’t design this truck that

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you see on the screen, but
certainly a team of engineers at

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Ford did.
We know that there were many

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minds behind the design of this
truck, and it seems ridiculous

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to us that somebody could look
at something like that and say,

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no, nobody created this.
But of course you see where I’m

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going here, because that’s what
it exactly what atheists are

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saying.
That just because we can explain

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many things about the universe,
the mechanics of how it works,

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that means that there wasn’t a
mind behind it all.

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Because we can explain how it
works.

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But the reality is those two
things are not related at all.

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Just because you can explain how
something works does not mean

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that there wasn’t a mind that
created that thing.

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But atheists have been
convincing the world that

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science and religion are opposed
for a long time now, and I think

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it all started back in the year
1860.

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In 1860, Darwin published his On
the Origin of the Species, and

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of course that was quite a quite
a controversial thing.

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When that came out, the concept
of evolution was introduced to

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the world and and people had
very strong feelings about it

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one way or the other.
And later that same year, in

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1860, there’s a famous debate
that took place between two men.

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And those men were on your left,
Reverend Samuel Wilberforce,

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known as Soapy Sam.
He was known as one of the best

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public speakers of his day, but
apparently quite pretentious,

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which is why he was called Soapy
Sam.

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And on the right we have TH
Huxley, Thomas Henry Huxley,

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known also as Darwin’s Bulldog.
And these two are going to

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debate the merits of of the
theory of evolution and this

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famous debate And interestingly
enough, Thomas Henry Huxley on

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your right, who would be
defending the theory of

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evolution, didn’t really want to
participate in this debate, but

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he had a lot of scientific
colleagues who peer pressured

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him into doing it.
They happened to be atheists

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also.
And so the debate took place in

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a very crowded hall in the
Museum of Natural History at

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Oxford University in the year
1860.

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And interestingly enough,
there’s no transcript of the

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debate.
So we don’t know actually what

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was said, except for one thing
that apparently all eyewitness

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accounts agree on that this took
place.

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At one point Samuel Wilberforce
said to TH Huxley, is it from

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your grandfather or your
grandmother that you claimed

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descent from a monkey?
And TH Huxley, clearly angry and

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red faced, composed himself and
stood up and calmly replied.

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I would not be ashamed to have a
monkey as an ancestor, but I

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would be ashamed to be connected
with a man who used his great

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gifts to obscure the truth.
And that comment apparently had

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such an impact on the audience
that one woman fainted and had

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to be carried out the bag.
Now this debate has come down to

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us as the first great victory of
science over religion.

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Which is weird, because when we
look at the facts, it doesn’t

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look like that at all.
For example, TH Huxley wrote

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afterwards.
I think the very next day he

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wrote.
I believe that I was the most

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popular man in Oxford for a full
4 and 20 hours afterwards.

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But Samuel Wilberforce would
write.

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I think I thoroughly beat him.
So both men felt that they had

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won the debate and no major
newspaper picked up the story.

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But there was 1 magazine that
did, and in the article about

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it, which was very short, the
publication was called the

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Athenaeum.
They said these two men, Huxley

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and Wilberforce have each found
foe men worthy of their steel.

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Which is to say in modern
English that this was was a very

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evenly matched debate.
And it turns out that Samuel

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Wilberforce, even though he was
a theologian, he was a reverend.

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He was very much educated in the
sciences, he knew a lot about

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it, and he was friends with
Charles Darwin, who was sick and

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couldn’t attend the debate.
And later Sam the Wilberforce

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would write a review of Charles
Darwin’s On the Origin of the

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Species.
And And Darwin himself, who was

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a lot less adamant about his own
theories than many other

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scientists would eventually
become, wrote this about

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Wilberforce’s review.
He said it’s uncommonly clever.

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It picks out with skill all the
most conjectural parts and

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brings forward, well, all the
difficulties it quizzes me most

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splendidly, said Darwin.
So, So Samuel Wilberforce was

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not ignorant at all when it came
to science.

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And from all factual references
that we have, this was a pretty

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evenly matched debate.
So why then has this come down

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to us through history as the
first great victory of science

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over religion?
Well, just that very sentence

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has framed it in a certain way,
hasn’t it?

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Science over religion, science
versus religion.

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It’s framing the narrative to
say these two things are opposed

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to each other.
And there have been historians

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who have written about this
debate, John Henley Brooke wrote

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in his book Science and
Religion.

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It’s a significant fact that the
famous clash between Huxley and

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the Bishop was not reported by a
single London newspaper at the

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time.
Indeed, there are no official

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records of the meeting, and most
of the reports came from

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Huxley’s friends.
You see, what happened is

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Huxley’s friends who had
pressured him into participating

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in the in the debate.
As soon as it was over, they

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went throughout the scientific
world and they told everybody

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this was a great defeat of
science.

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Science defeated religion, a
great defeat of religion by

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science, another historian,
Frank James from the Royal

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Institute of London, said.
Had Wilberforce not been so

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unpopular in Oxford, he would
have carried the day and not

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Huxley.
Apparently Wilberforce was not

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very well liked because he was
so pretentious.

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Even the Prime Minister of
England at the time apparently

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had some nasty things to say
about him.

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So Frank James said because he
was so unpopular, the favor

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didn’t go in his way.
But this was he very much

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carried his own weight in this
debate.

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And ever since that time, this
has been the narrative science

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versus religion.
The two have to be at odds with

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each other.
That’s the way it would seem

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when you say it like that.
And yet the Apostle Paul said in

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Romans chapter one that when you
look at creation, at the things

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that that God has put into
place, you should be able to see

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00:25:40,880 –> 00:25:44,120
the stamp of the Creator.
And if you can’t then you’re

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ignorant, said the Apostle Paul
in Romans chapter one.

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00:25:49,560 –> 00:25:52,160
And so here we are today talking
about it still.

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00:25:53,160 –> 00:25:57,040
And from here on out, I want to
start by saying that I’m, I’m

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00:25:57,040 –> 00:25:58,560
not a scientist.
I think it’s important to

446
00:25:58,560 –> 00:26:00,760
acknowledge that I’m not an
expert in, in some of the fields

447
00:26:00,760 –> 00:26:03,440
I’m going to be talking about,
which is why I’m going to rely

448
00:26:03,440 –> 00:26:06,640
on people who are in this class
and especially in the third

449
00:26:06,640 –> 00:26:08,640
class today.
These two, those two classes

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00:26:08,920 –> 00:26:11,480
will be based in the sciences
and in math.

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00:26:13,480 –> 00:26:16,200
I’m going to rely on people who
are at the top of their field

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00:26:16,200 –> 00:26:18,600
scientists and some of them are
Christians and some of them are

453
00:26:18,600 –> 00:26:21,880
atheists and some of them are
agnostic and we’re going to see

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00:26:21,880 –> 00:26:24,160
what they have to say about it
despite whatever their belief

455
00:26:24,160 –> 00:26:27,920
system might be.
And the 1st Ave. of the sciences

456
00:26:27,920 –> 00:26:29,600
I want to talk about is
genetics.

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00:26:29,880 –> 00:26:32,040
I hope this doesn’t make you too
uncomfortable if you if you

458
00:26:32,040 –> 00:26:33,840
don’t like this subject in
school.

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00:26:34,200 –> 00:26:39,600
But most of you have probably
seen this, a strand of DNA and

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00:26:40,520 –> 00:26:42,880
on the right hand side you see
DNA and on the left hand side

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00:26:42,880 –> 00:26:47,360
you see RNA.
Inside of all living cells, we

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00:26:47,360 –> 00:26:52,000
have DNA and the DNA is called a
double Helix structure, which

463
00:26:52,000 –> 00:26:54,120
means it’s kind of like a
ladder, but a ladder that’s been

464
00:26:54,120 –> 00:26:58,200
twisted and twisted and twisted
and the the sides of that ladder

465
00:26:58,640 –> 00:27:03,200
are made-up of sugar phosphates
and inside are rungs, if you

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00:27:03,200 –> 00:27:06,560
will, of each ladder and those
rungs have two pieces each one

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00:27:06,560 –> 00:27:11,040
of those two pieces on every
rung is called a nucleobase and

468
00:27:11,040 –> 00:27:13,720
those two nucleobases are joined
in the middle but by a weak

469
00:27:13,720 –> 00:27:15,520
bond.
So it’s very easy to go down the

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middle and just split it right
in two and get a strand of RNA.

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00:27:19,880 –> 00:27:22,560
And those nucleobases, there’s
only four of them in DNA,

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00:27:22,800 –> 00:27:25,000
cytosine, guanine, adenine and
thymine.

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00:27:25,280 –> 00:27:26,920
And scientists have categorized
them.

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00:27:27,080 –> 00:27:30,760
So they’re simple by letters,
CGA and T, as you can see.

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00:27:31,040 –> 00:27:34,280
And the order of those
nucleobases in a strand of DNA

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00:27:34,280 –> 00:27:36,400
is extremely important because
this is actually we’ve

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00:27:36,400 –> 00:27:39,880
discovered it’s actually a
language built inside of all

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00:27:39,880 –> 00:27:45,680
things DNA, has been described
as a like a computer program or

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00:27:45,680 –> 00:27:48,400
a computer hard disk.
It contains a database of

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00:27:48,400 –> 00:27:54,120
information and the program to
produce a specified product.

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Now when the DNA splits in two,
and we’re going to talk about a

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00:27:57,720 –> 00:28:01,920
little bit about how that works
in a second, the nucleobases are

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00:28:01,920 –> 00:28:05,080
almost all the same and the half
of a strand of DNA which becomes

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00:28:05,080 –> 00:28:06,680
RNA except for the very last
one.

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00:28:07,480 –> 00:28:10,280
So thymine is replaced with
uracil.

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00:28:11,840 –> 00:28:15,160
Now, for life to continue to
exist, all living cells have to

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00:28:15,160 –> 00:28:16,920
continue to replicate
themselves.

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00:28:17,240 –> 00:28:21,880
And to do that, the DNA itself
is split in two, and it will

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00:28:21,880 –> 00:28:24,480
actually also leave the cell
that it’s in.

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00:28:25,560 –> 00:28:28,480
So a DNA will split from 1
strand into two new strands.

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00:28:28,480 –> 00:28:31,320
Here’s a diagram of that and
something called the healer

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00:28:31,320 –> 00:28:33,320
case.
Kind of like a pair of scissors

493
00:28:33,320 –> 00:28:35,560
walks right down the middle of
the strand and cuts it in two

494
00:28:35,560 –> 00:28:38,840
into two different pieces.
And then an enzyme called adna

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00:28:38,840 –> 00:28:43,200
polymerase walks up to each half
of each strand and builds the

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00:28:43,200 –> 00:28:44,960
other half of that strand of
DNA.

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00:28:44,960 –> 00:28:48,520
And as it goes along, it puts
all the nucleobases in place for

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00:28:48,520 –> 00:28:53,280
each rung of of that ladder.
And that DNA polymerase, once

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00:28:53,280 –> 00:28:56,280
it’s done with a new strand, it
actually walks back and forth up

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00:28:56,280 –> 00:28:59,120
the strand as a proofreader to
make sure that nothing’s out of

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00:28:59,120 –> 00:29:01,880
place.
If it finds a nucleobase that’s

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00:29:01,880 –> 00:29:03,880
wrong, it kicks it out, puts the
right one in.

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00:29:05,440 –> 00:29:08,120
So every once in a while it
doesn’t catch it and there’s a

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00:29:08,120 –> 00:29:10,120
mistake.
That’s what we call a genetic

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00:29:10,120 –> 00:29:14,400
mutation.
So each of the between 10 and

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00:29:14,400 –> 00:29:18,920
100 trillion cells in the human
body contains a database larger

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00:29:18,920 –> 00:29:22,000
than the Encyclopedia
Britannica.

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00:29:23,440 –> 00:29:27,040
And the human genome is over 3
1/2 billion letters long.

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00:29:27,040 –> 00:29:31,240
If you think of letters as those
nucleobases CGA and T 3 1/2

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00:29:31,240 –> 00:29:33,840
billion letters long.
Which is why there was a project

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00:29:33,840 –> 00:29:37,320
called the Human Genome Project.
Remember that it was completed

512
00:29:37,320 –> 00:29:40,440
in 2003.
It took a long time to decode

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00:29:40,440 –> 00:29:48,640
the entire human genetic code.
So the RNA will also leave the

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00:29:48,640 –> 00:29:52,280
cell behind and enter this thing
which is called a ribosome,

515
00:29:52,600 –> 00:29:55,080
which to us you know is
microscopically small.

516
00:29:55,080 –> 00:29:58,280
But on the on the subatomic
level, it’s actually quite big.

517
00:29:58,280 –> 00:30:03,680
It’s like a giant translation
machine and the RNE gets RNA

518
00:30:03,680 –> 00:30:06,520
strand as you see there, it’s
fed into the ribosome.

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00:30:06,520 –> 00:30:10,160
And as it gets fed in the, the
ribosome reads every single

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00:30:10,160 –> 00:30:13,120
nucleobase like a letter, like
it’s translating a code as it

521
00:30:13,120 –> 00:30:16,320
comes along and every single
piece that it sees is the next

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00:30:16,320 –> 00:30:19,760
piece of the recipe for protein
that is being created.

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00:30:20,440 –> 00:30:23,000
And as this happens, proteins
are being created within the

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00:30:23,000 –> 00:30:26,560
ribosome.
Here’s where it gets really

525
00:30:26,560 –> 00:30:33,160
interesting.
You cannot have DNA without

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00:30:33,160 –> 00:30:38,360
first having proteins, but you
can’t create proteins without

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00:30:38,360 –> 00:30:41,800
having DNA as the recipe.
You see.

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00:30:41,800 –> 00:30:43,800
The two cannot exist without
each other.

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00:30:45,360 –> 00:30:48,640
So the theory of evolution is
based on the idea that life

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00:30:48,640 –> 00:30:53,440
arose from many, many steps of
very simple processes, from very

531
00:30:53,440 –> 00:30:56,800
simple to more and more complex.
But every single step in that

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00:30:56,800 –> 00:31:01,320
process was very simple.
Well, this presents a problem to

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00:31:01,320 –> 00:31:06,640
that, because at a certain point
you get what you might have

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00:31:06,640 –> 00:31:09,920
heard before, the term
irreducible complexity.

535
00:31:10,760 –> 00:31:13,840
It’s the all question which came
first, the chicken or the egg?

536
00:31:13,920 –> 00:31:16,160
Because you can’t have DNA
without proteins, but you can’t

537
00:31:16,160 –> 00:31:19,160
create proteins without DNA,
which would suggest at some

538
00:31:19,160 –> 00:31:24,560
point there was a chemist
involved, a mind to put these

539
00:31:24,560 –> 00:31:26,760
two things together for the
first time.

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00:31:28,960 –> 00:31:32,720
And if you think that maybe I
don’t know what I’m talking

541
00:31:32,720 –> 00:31:35,160
about because I’m not a
scientist, let’s rely on some

542
00:31:35,160 –> 00:31:38,640
scientists.
The man who was the leader of

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00:31:38,640 –> 00:31:43,520
the Human Genome Project was a
man named Francis Collins and in

544
00:31:43,520 –> 00:31:47,400
2003 it was publicly announced
that the project was completed

545
00:31:47,400 –> 00:31:49,880
And at the public announcement
of the completion of the Human

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00:31:49,880 –> 00:31:52,520
Genome Project, this is what
Francis Collins had to say to

547
00:31:52,520 –> 00:31:56,200
the press.
It is humbling for me and awe

548
00:31:56,200 –> 00:31:59,520
inspiring to realize that we
have caught the first glimpse of

549
00:31:59,520 –> 00:32:04,760
our own instruction book
previously known only to God.

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00:32:05,960 –> 00:32:12,800
You see, Francis Collins is and
was a Christian, not in spite of

551
00:32:12,800 –> 00:32:16,800
his professional work, but
because of what he saw.

552
00:32:16,800 –> 00:32:21,880
He’s on the breaking edge of the
work in genetics, and everything

553
00:32:21,880 –> 00:32:26,080
he saw proved to him that there
must have been a mind behind it

554
00:32:26,080 –> 00:32:29,280
all.
Now, before the advent of some

555
00:32:29,280 –> 00:32:32,480
of the more popular New Atheists
like Richard Dawkins, one of the

556
00:32:32,480 –> 00:32:35,400
most well respected atheists in
the world was a man named

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00:32:35,400 –> 00:32:40,240
Anthony Flu.
And in 2003, Anthony Flu was

558
00:32:40,320 –> 00:32:44,240
pretty old, and he’d spent his
entire career being an advocate

559
00:32:44,360 –> 00:32:49,280
for atheism.
But in 2004, he switched teams,

560
00:32:50,640 –> 00:32:54,040
he changed his mind, and he said
I’m not an atheist anymore.

561
00:32:54,760 –> 00:32:58,080
And here’s what he said in an
interview with ABC News in 2003.

562
00:32:58,080 –> 00:33:00,600
He said my whole life has been
guided by the principle of

563
00:33:00,600 –> 00:33:04,320
Plato’s Socrates.
Follow the evidence wherever it

564
00:33:04,320 –> 00:33:06,880
leads.
Well, I like this quote.

565
00:33:06,880 –> 00:33:08,680
I think it’s a very
intellectually honest one.

566
00:33:09,400 –> 00:33:11,560
If you’re really looking for
truth, then you’re going to be

567
00:33:11,600 –> 00:33:14,360
all consumed by the evidence and
you’re going to follow it in

568
00:33:14,360 –> 00:33:17,600
whatever direction it leads.
So he says, I’ve always said

569
00:33:17,600 –> 00:33:19,840
wherever the evidence takes me,
that’s where I’ll go.

570
00:33:21,320 –> 00:33:23,920
You see the title of this
interview.

571
00:33:23,920 –> 00:33:25,920
Famous atheist now Believes in
God.

572
00:33:25,920 –> 00:33:30,160
And it’s no coincidence that
this happened in 2004, right

573
00:33:30,160 –> 00:33:33,880
after the completion of the
Human Genome Project, because at

574
00:33:33,880 –> 00:33:36,440
a symposium a little bit later,
this is what he had to say.

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00:33:36,560 –> 00:33:40,280
The reason why he said what I
think the DNA material has done

576
00:33:40,280 –> 00:33:43,880
is show that intelligence must
have been involved in getting

577
00:33:43,880 –> 00:33:46,440
these extraordinarily diverse
elements together.

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00:33:49,520 –> 00:33:52,960
The enormous complexity by which
the results were achieved looked

579
00:33:52,960 –> 00:33:56,280
to me like the work of
intelligence.

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00:33:57,240 –> 00:33:59,440
And he said there must have been
a mind behind it all.

581
00:33:59,640 –> 00:34:02,560
Now, to be fair to you right
now, Anthony Flew didn’t become

582
00:34:02,560 –> 00:34:04,440
a Christian.
He became what I described

583
00:34:04,440 –> 00:34:07,360
earlier, a deist, somebody who
believes that there must be a

584
00:34:07,360 –> 00:34:10,040
God, but but that that God
doesn’t speak to us now.

585
00:34:10,040 –> 00:34:11,800
So he wasn’t religious in that
sense.

586
00:34:11,800 –> 00:34:16,159
But you can imagine how this
affected the new Atheist

587
00:34:16,159 –> 00:34:17,960
community.
At the time they were not very

588
00:34:17,960 –> 00:34:20,920
happy with Anthony Flu making
this announcement and Richard

589
00:34:20,920 –> 00:34:22,880
Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens
and others.

590
00:34:23,760 –> 00:34:27,560
Well, they said this once, Great
mind has gone senile and soft

591
00:34:27,560 –> 00:34:30,520
and it’s a real tragedy.
But if you were to go back to

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00:34:30,520 –> 00:34:33,639
and watch YouTube videos of
clips, interviews with Anthony

593
00:34:33,639 –> 00:34:36,639
Flu at this time, you’ll find
that this guy, at this time in

594
00:34:36,639 –> 00:34:39,520
his life, when he changed and
said I’m no longer an atheist,

595
00:34:40,120 –> 00:34:42,840
he was anything but senile.
You’ll find him eloquent and

596
00:34:42,840 –> 00:34:47,920
intelligent.
He died in 2010, but he died

597
00:34:47,920 –> 00:34:50,960
believing in God because of
where the evidence LED in the

598
00:34:50,960 –> 00:34:53,880
genetic field.
Now I want to switch to another

599
00:34:53,880 –> 00:35:00,600
Ave. of science.
This is physics at the big sense

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00:35:00,600 –> 00:35:05,400
and the big sense, we’re looking
at the whole universe now, and I

601
00:35:05,400 –> 00:35:07,840
don’t even pretend to be able to
explain this equation to you,

602
00:35:07,840 –> 00:35:11,800
but this is one of Einstein’s
field equations, and right in

603
00:35:11,800 –> 00:35:15,240
the middle of it is this symbol,
this one here it’s the Greek

604
00:35:15,240 –> 00:35:18,960
symbol Lambda.
And in this field equation it

605
00:35:18,960 –> 00:35:22,200
represents the value of the
energy density of the vacuum of

606
00:35:22,200 –> 00:35:24,840
space.
And when Einstein came up with

607
00:35:24,840 –> 00:35:27,760
this equation, he believed that
the universe was static.

608
00:35:28,200 –> 00:35:31,920
That means it’s not moving, just
sitting here in one place, which

609
00:35:31,920 –> 00:35:35,880
means that that number, which is
referred to as the cosmological

610
00:35:35,880 –> 00:35:41,760
constant, was 0.
Einstein would later call this

611
00:35:41,760 –> 00:35:46,440
his single greatest blunder,
because later we discovered that

612
00:35:46,440 –> 00:35:48,400
the universe actually is not
sitting still.

613
00:35:48,400 –> 00:35:50,080
It’s not static.
It’s expanding.

614
00:35:51,880 –> 00:35:54,880
And in the 1990s, we discovered
that not only is the universe

615
00:35:54,880 –> 00:35:58,520
expanding, it’s accelerating in
its expansion.

616
00:35:58,560 –> 00:36:02,000
So it’s not expanding at a
constant pace, it’s expanding at

617
00:36:02,000 –> 00:36:07,320
an ever more rapid rate, which
means that this cosmological

618
00:36:07,320 –> 00:36:12,360
constant representing the energy
density in the vacuum of space,

619
00:36:12,360 –> 00:36:14,320
had to be something other than
0.

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00:36:15,760 –> 00:36:19,400
And scientists don’t know
exactly what that number is.

621
00:36:19,880 –> 00:36:25,920
They’ve got a theory that it’s
something like this 10 to the

622
00:36:25,920 –> 00:36:31,520
power of -120, which is an
extremely infinitesimally small

623
00:36:31,960 –> 00:36:40,280
number.
Whatever that number is, if it

624
00:36:40,280 –> 00:36:47,920
was just marginally larger or
smaller, the universe we are in

625
00:36:47,920 –> 00:36:50,480
today would look nothing like
the universe we’re in today.

626
00:36:50,480 –> 00:36:53,520
It would either collapse upon
itself or fly apart.

627
00:36:54,080 –> 00:36:56,560
That number has to be exactly
what it is.

628
00:36:56,800 –> 00:37:01,320
This is what is referred to by
many as the fine tuning of the

629
00:37:01,320 –> 00:37:06,920
universe and in a documentary
called Particle Fever about the

630
00:37:06,920 –> 00:37:09,240
discovery of the Higgs boson.
If you don’t know about that,

631
00:37:09,240 –> 00:37:12,800
I’m going to tell you a little
bit about it in a minute, one of

632
00:37:12,800 –> 00:37:16,440
the world’s youngest and
brightest physicists named Nima

633
00:37:16,440 –> 00:37:19,760
Akani Hamed, says.
This about the cosmological

634
00:37:19,760 –> 00:37:23,520
constant, he says.
It needs to have an extremely

635
00:37:23,520 –> 00:37:26,560
precise value, and if the value
is different even by a tiny bit,

636
00:37:26,560 –> 00:37:29,960
it would radically change what
the world looks like around us.

637
00:37:31,320 –> 00:37:34,400
If you saw a situation where a
parameter has a very dangerous

638
00:37:34,400 –> 00:37:37,160
value, where if you change it a
little bit, the world would

639
00:37:37,160 –> 00:37:40,760
change radically and we’d be
dead, you would wonder where

640
00:37:40,760 –> 00:37:44,040
that came from.
How is that possible?

641
00:37:45,640 –> 00:37:48,000
So just on the face of it, you
would look at the situation and

642
00:37:48,000 –> 00:37:52,800
say, wow, someone really cared
to put this parameter at just

643
00:37:52,800 –> 00:37:56,320
the right value so that we get
to be here and that it’s a

644
00:37:56,320 –> 00:37:58,880
pleasant universe.
This is the sort of thing that

645
00:37:59,040 –> 00:38:02,600
really keeps you up at night.
Now, I’ve looked into Nimr Khani

646
00:38:02,600 –> 00:38:04,280
Hamad.
I really wanted to know what his

647
00:38:04,280 –> 00:38:05,960
beliefs were.
Is he an atheist?

648
00:38:05,960 –> 00:38:08,800
Is he, is he religious?
Is he agnostic?

649
00:38:08,800 –> 00:38:11,160
I couldn’t find out.
I don’t know.

650
00:38:11,840 –> 00:38:14,440
But nevertheless, here’s a
scientist, a physicist at the

651
00:38:14,440 –> 00:38:17,720
top of his field, saying this
kind of stuff.

652
00:38:17,720 –> 00:38:20,160
Man, think about it all night
long.

653
00:38:20,160 –> 00:38:22,760
Sometimes it just seems like
there must have been a

654
00:38:22,760 –> 00:38:25,720
mathematician behind it all.
Now, if you’ve looked at the

655
00:38:25,720 –> 00:38:27,880
titles of these classes, you’ll
know that the third class is

656
00:38:27,880 –> 00:38:30,440
called the language of
mathematics.

657
00:38:30,440 –> 00:38:36,240
So stay tuned for that one.
I want to talk to you about

658
00:38:36,560 –> 00:38:39,840
something that’s kind of a
dangerous mindset sometimes for

659
00:38:39,840 –> 00:38:42,400
people who believe in God.
It’s a phrase.

660
00:38:42,400 –> 00:38:47,280
It’s called God of the Gaps.
God of the Gaps is the mindset

661
00:38:47,320 –> 00:38:50,320
that goes like this.
You believe that whatever God

662
00:38:50,320 –> 00:38:54,640
has done, we’re incapable of
being able to explain it or

663
00:38:54,640 –> 00:39:03,200
comprehend it in any way.
So if we can explain it, maybe

664
00:39:03,200 –> 00:39:07,000
that means God didn’t do it.
Now we don’t think that.

665
00:39:07,000 –> 00:39:10,240
We don’t think that far through,
but often perhaps we fall into

666
00:39:10,240 –> 00:39:12,720
this trap of thinking that we’ll
never be able to understand this

667
00:39:12,720 –> 00:39:14,680
stuff because God is so much
greater than we are.

668
00:39:14,680 –> 00:39:15,960
We’ll never be able to explain
it.

669
00:39:16,120 –> 00:39:19,880
But the problem with thinking
that way is that the God that

670
00:39:19,880 –> 00:39:22,760
you believe in exists within the
gaps of human understanding.

671
00:39:23,800 –> 00:39:26,200
Things that we didn’t know 100
years ago that we thought of as

672
00:39:26,200 –> 00:39:29,120
miraculous, we can now explain
the mechanics of how those

673
00:39:29,120 –> 00:39:32,760
things work.
So if this is the way you think,

674
00:39:32,760 –> 00:39:35,840
then the God you believe in is
shrinking as scientific

675
00:39:35,840 –> 00:39:39,880
understanding grows.
And so the important thing to

676
00:39:39,880 –> 00:39:43,360
understand is that God is the
God of the whole show and we

677
00:39:43,360 –> 00:39:45,480
might be able to explain some of
what he’s done.

678
00:39:45,480 –> 00:39:47,320
That doesn’t mean he didn’t
design it.

679
00:39:49,000 –> 00:39:51,880
Just because those Aboriginals
tore apart that Ford truck and

680
00:39:51,880 –> 00:39:55,080
there was no God inside doesn’t
mean that there is no God.

681
00:39:55,280 –> 00:39:57,720
Just because you can explain the
mechanics of how the universe

682
00:39:57,720 –> 00:39:59,880
works doesn’t mean there was a
mind behind it all.

683
00:40:00,040 –> 00:40:03,120
Especially when you look at
every Ave. of science and you

684
00:40:03,120 –> 00:40:06,880
see purpose there.
That’s the stamp of the creator

685
00:40:06,880 –> 00:40:11,520
that Paul talked about.
Every once in a while we think

686
00:40:12,000 –> 00:40:16,200
as a species, maybe as as a
scientific community, scientific

687
00:40:16,200 –> 00:40:19,640
community thinks they’re about
to close the door, close the gap

688
00:40:19,880 –> 00:40:25,480
on some grand subject only to
realize that, man, we really

689
00:40:25,480 –> 00:40:26,840
didn’t know anything at all, did
we?

690
00:40:27,480 –> 00:40:29,880
And this is the case with the
discovery of the Higgs boson.

691
00:40:30,240 –> 00:40:33,200
We talked about the mass, energy
density in the vacuum of space

692
00:40:33,200 –> 00:40:36,840
and and the reality is in space
things move the way they

693
00:40:36,840 –> 00:40:39,680
shouldn’t based on what we could
see before the discovery of the

694
00:40:39,680 –> 00:40:42,840
Higgs boson.
So that there was theorized this

695
00:40:42,840 –> 00:40:45,920
field called a Higgs field by a
scientist named Peter Higgs.

696
00:40:45,920 –> 00:40:49,240
And that’s some other scientists
in the 1960s think of it kind of

697
00:40:49,240 –> 00:40:53,560
like just molasses, which would
describe why things move slowly

698
00:40:53,560 –> 00:40:56,040
through space when it seems like
they should move a lot faster.

699
00:40:56,040 –> 00:40:58,680
Some uninvisible field that we
can’t see.

700
00:40:59,320 –> 00:41:02,960
And if this were true, then he
defined what the particle that

701
00:41:03,160 –> 00:41:05,280
would look like that created
this field.

702
00:41:05,280 –> 00:41:07,360
It was called the Higgs boson.
It would look like this.

703
00:41:07,360 –> 00:41:09,720
It would have these
characteristics, but it would be

704
00:41:09,720 –> 00:41:12,600
really hard to see.
And it wasn’t until modern times

705
00:41:12,600 –> 00:41:14,520
that we had the technology to be
able to see it.

706
00:41:15,640 –> 00:41:20,240
And from 1998 to 2008, a Large
Hadron Collider was built in

707
00:41:20,240 –> 00:41:23,120
Geneva, Switzerland.
This is a 27 kilometer long

708
00:41:23,120 –> 00:41:25,040
loop.
It’s a particle accelerator.

709
00:41:25,040 –> 00:41:27,240
It shoots particles around and
around so they’re almost the

710
00:41:27,240 –> 00:41:29,720
speed of light and then it
crashes them into each other.

711
00:41:29,920 –> 00:41:33,400
And it has very precise cameras
that take pictures of what

712
00:41:33,400 –> 00:41:37,520
happens in a very minuscule
fraction of a cent second and

713
00:41:38,040 –> 00:41:39,920
that moment when the explosion
occurs.

714
00:41:40,480 –> 00:41:42,880
And finally, we had the
technology to be able to see and

715
00:41:42,880 –> 00:41:45,840
discover the Higgs boson if it
really exists, and they had to

716
00:41:45,840 –> 00:41:48,800
test it for a few years.
It wasn’t until 2012, when the

717
00:41:48,800 –> 00:41:52,440
first Test was officially
performed with the Large Hadron

718
00:41:52,440 –> 00:41:57,040
Collider and around the world,
scientists sat in rooms with

719
00:41:57,040 –> 00:41:59,640
televisions, sometimes in the
middle of the night in some

720
00:41:59,640 –> 00:42:03,200
parts of the world, waiting to
hear if they’d see it.

721
00:42:04,160 –> 00:42:06,560
And they did.
They discovered the Higgs boson,

722
00:42:07,600 –> 00:42:11,160
and a lot was riding on the
actual mass of this particle.

723
00:42:11,720 –> 00:42:15,680
If it was about 115 giga
electron volts, then it was

724
00:42:15,680 –> 00:42:18,640
going to go to prove one
particular theory about the

725
00:42:18,640 –> 00:42:21,440
scope of the universe called a
body of theories called

726
00:42:21,440 –> 00:42:23,960
supersymmetry, which kind of
says that every particle has

727
00:42:23,960 –> 00:42:26,280
another corresponding particle,
we just haven’t discovered them

728
00:42:26,280 –> 00:42:29,280
all yet.
But if the mass of the Higgs

729
00:42:29,280 –> 00:42:34,280
boson was more like 140 giga
electron volts, then it was

730
00:42:34,280 –> 00:42:38,480
going to instead go to prove the
multiverse series of theories.

731
00:42:38,480 –> 00:42:39,760
Maybe you’ve heard of the
multiverse.

732
00:42:40,000 –> 00:42:42,320
This is the idea that there are
an infinite number of other

733
00:42:42,320 –> 00:42:45,600
universes out there, and we just
happened to be in the one that

734
00:42:45,600 –> 00:42:48,360
we’re in, the one that supports
life, but they’re just an

735
00:42:48,360 –> 00:42:51,640
infinite number of others.
That’s the body of of multiverse

736
00:42:51,640 –> 00:42:54,360
theories.
And the mass of the Higgs boson

737
00:42:54,360 –> 00:42:57,000
was going to determine, I cannot
explain to you why, but was

738
00:42:57,000 –> 00:42:59,120
going to determine for many
scientists which one of these

739
00:42:59,120 –> 00:43:05,600
theories was most likely true.
So several weeks went by before

740
00:43:05,600 –> 00:43:08,680
they’re able to actually go
through all the results and

741
00:43:08,680 –> 00:43:13,960
confirm them.
And it turned out to be right in

742
00:43:13,960 –> 00:43:19,120
the middle, 125 giga electron
volts, which meant that nobody

743
00:43:19,120 –> 00:43:21,400
knew anything anymore.
All the theories had to be

744
00:43:21,400 –> 00:43:23,960
rewritten.
Neither one of them was really

745
00:43:23,960 –> 00:43:25,480
accurate.
And at the end of that

746
00:43:25,480 –> 00:43:28,200
documentary I told you about
earlier, particle fear, which is

747
00:43:28,200 –> 00:43:30,040
all about the discovery of the
Higgs boson.

748
00:43:30,040 –> 00:43:32,960
One of the scientists that’s
featured in it had this to say,

749
00:43:32,960 –> 00:43:36,680
as he’s driving home from just
finding out that this is the

750
00:43:36,680 –> 00:43:40,880
mass of the Higgs boson.
He he’s still struggling to to

751
00:43:41,040 –> 00:43:44,080
comprehend it.
And he says if this is true, the

752
00:43:44,080 –> 00:43:48,000
Higgs is about 125 Gev, and that
means that almost all of my

753
00:43:48,000 –> 00:43:50,680
models are ruled out, which is
pretty cool.

754
00:43:51,280 –> 00:43:53,520
Supersymmetry could still be
true, but it would have to be a

755
00:43:53,520 –> 00:43:55,320
very strange version of the
theory.

756
00:43:56,800 –> 00:43:59,960
If it’s the multiverse, well,
other universes would be amazing

757
00:43:59,960 –> 00:44:03,080
of course, but it would also
mean that no other new particles

758
00:44:03,080 –> 00:44:08,520
would be discovered.
So anyway, we have something to

759
00:44:08,520 –> 00:44:10,720
do.
Scientists can be weird

760
00:44:10,720 –> 00:44:12,760
sometimes.
He was really excited about the

761
00:44:12,840 –> 00:44:15,120
fact that all of his theories
were wrong and he had to start

762
00:44:15,120 –> 00:44:16,160
all over again.
He said.

763
00:44:16,160 –> 00:44:20,800
Well, we’ve got work to do
because there are a lot of times

764
00:44:20,800 –> 00:44:24,160
when we realize how small and
insignificant we are in our

765
00:44:24,160 –> 00:44:27,880
complexity when compared to our
creator, and how much we don’t

766
00:44:27,880 –> 00:44:30,320
have figured out.
And sometimes it seems like a

767
00:44:30,320 –> 00:44:33,800
gap is almost closed and then it
gets blown wide open again.

768
00:44:35,600 –> 00:44:40,440
Now, we’ve talked a lot about
science and several different

769
00:44:40,440 –> 00:44:42,880
scientific fields and the
history of science.

770
00:44:44,480 –> 00:44:47,120
And you might be wondering, are
we going to deal with evidence

771
00:44:47,120 –> 00:44:51,080
for the Bible at all, For the
proof that the Bible is the

772
00:44:51,080 –> 00:44:54,160
inspired word of God, that Jesus
is the son of God, that he

773
00:44:54,160 –> 00:44:55,400
really was resurrected from the
dead.

774
00:44:55,400 –> 00:44:59,240
And the answer is yes.
We’re going to start with that

775
00:44:59,240 –> 00:45:02,360
tomorrow morning.
And to segue into that, I want

776
00:45:02,360 –> 00:45:06,000
to show you another video clip,
and this is a clip of the second

777
00:45:06,000 –> 00:45:08,560
debate that happened between the
same two men you saw before,

778
00:45:08,560 –> 00:45:12,400
Richard Dawkins and John Lennox.
This one happened in 2008.

779
00:45:13,280 –> 00:45:17,720
And the Oxford Museum of Natural
History, the historic site we’re

780
00:45:17,720 –> 00:45:21,120
seeing, the Wilberforce and TH
Huxley had that debate in 1860,

781
00:45:21,320 –> 00:45:25,280
all those years ago.
So have a listen and then we’ll

782
00:45:25,280 –> 00:45:28,120
close after we listen to this
video that I think is just a

783
00:45:28,120 –> 00:45:31,720
little over 2 minutes long.
Just to note this video, I’ve

784
00:45:31,720 –> 00:45:34,560
spliced a few parts of it
together to keep 1 theme of the

785
00:45:34,560 –> 00:45:36,720
conversation going.
So just keep that in mind.

786
00:45:36,720 –> 00:45:39,160
There’s one point where somebody
says, well of course it is.

787
00:45:39,440 –> 00:45:40,760
That’s when I jumped forward in
time.

788
00:45:40,760 –> 00:45:42,640
It doesn’t relate to what was
just said.

789
00:45:42,760 –> 00:45:43,600
Keep that in mind.
The dog.

790
00:45:49,200 –> 00:45:54,400
Division, you said that it’s
under sorry, the issue among the

791
00:45:54,400 –> 00:45:57,920
stories that Jesus actually
existed.

792
00:45:58,800 –> 00:46:00,640
I check for the age of the
story.

793
00:46:00,760 –> 00:46:04,920
That is not so.
And the story history is not

794
00:46:04,920 –> 00:46:09,240
natural science.
But what I don’t understand is

795
00:46:09,240 –> 00:46:11,400
this why you would write
something like that?

796
00:46:12,880 –> 00:46:15,160
I don’t think it’s very
important question.

797
00:46:16,000 –> 00:46:47,880
That has not even.
Way of history and let’s let’s

798
00:46:47,880 –> 00:46:52,280
see the time and maybe like like
the other vision of possibility

799
00:46:52,280 –> 00:46:56,080
that some sort of thing Jesus
existed.

800
00:46:56,720 –> 00:47:00,600
However, you’re going to say
that Jesus will form a virgin of

801
00:47:00,640 –> 00:47:03,240
Jesus water eternal washing into
wine.

802
00:47:03,560 –> 00:47:07,640
That is probably as decided
there is no religious.

803
00:47:08,920 –> 00:47:15,520
So when you say anti scientific
I what I mean like that is that

804
00:47:15,520 –> 00:47:18,880
if at the good science you
constantly have to keep in mind

805
00:47:18,880 –> 00:47:22,320
that any then my little magic
tricks.

806
00:47:24,200 –> 00:47:33,720
No, no.
Because in order to recognize

807
00:47:33,760 –> 00:47:38,520
the testament called miracle,
especially after God, you must

808
00:47:38,520 –> 00:47:41,520
be living.
The universe that has

809
00:47:41,640 –> 00:47:43,840
regularities that will be
recognized.

810
00:47:43,920 –> 00:47:48,480
I agree with you with the fact
that that’s exactly, I would

811
00:47:48,480 –> 00:47:51,320
recognize, deadly, more public
all over the place.

812
00:47:51,320 –> 00:47:54,720
You would think it was very
special, but the fact is you

813
00:47:54,720 –> 00:47:59,600
need two things, not one.
We’ve got the regularities,

814
00:47:59,600 –> 00:48:02,920
which we call the laws of
nature, but we’re not called in

815
00:48:02,920 –> 00:48:05,640
a sense descriptive that we can
use.

816
00:48:06,280 –> 00:48:11,560
He also need to be able to
recognize those so that, for

817
00:48:11,560 –> 00:48:18,200
example, when Joseph discovered
that his right to be very

818
00:48:18,280 –> 00:48:21,200
friendly, he certainly didn’t do
the he was over the North.

819
00:48:21,360 –> 00:48:24,480
He did exactly where they stand,
but he didn’t do anything.

820
00:48:24,960 –> 00:48:29,400
It took very special convincing
for him to realize that

821
00:48:29,400 –> 00:48:34,320
something extremely special can
happen, but science cannot stop

822
00:48:34,360 –> 00:48:36,200
that.
The question is of course.

823
00:48:36,720 –> 00:48:40,840
Did such a thing ever happened?
And the central focus of the New

824
00:48:40,840 –> 00:48:44,520
Testament is not that which is
not so readily accessible to

825
00:48:44,520 –> 00:48:48,600
evidence, version, perception,
but the resurrection of Christ

826
00:48:48,920 –> 00:48:52,160
and ancient historians,
fascinatingly.

827
00:48:52,160 –> 00:48:56,400
Basically going over ancient
historians whose discipline is

828
00:48:56,400 –> 00:48:59,920
very available and not only
Christian ancient historians,

829
00:49:00,480 –> 00:49:04,560
ancient historians.
Many of them, even at the

830
00:49:04,560 –> 00:49:08,480
sceptical end of the spectrum,
say that the evidence for the

831
00:49:08,480 –> 00:49:10,840
resurrection of Christ is very
powerful.

832
00:49:11,040 –> 00:49:14,520
The explosion of the Christian
Church from a long process of

833
00:49:14,520 –> 00:49:18,280
Christian group of Jews in the
1st century, the empty trim of

834
00:49:18,280 –> 00:49:21,880
the whole rest of it, has even
LED gates on Hermesh, is one of

835
00:49:21,880 –> 00:49:26,280
the most distinguished ancient
historians of Oxford to to say

836
00:49:26,360 –> 00:49:36,160
yes to plenty and hallucinae.
So we have to ask her about how

837
00:49:36,160 –> 00:49:39,160
being prepared to believe the
story potentially or not.

838
00:49:44,800 –> 00:49:48,600
So we’ve just spent a lot of
time talking about science and

839
00:49:48,600 –> 00:49:51,960
how we can see God in the
natural world and how science is

840
00:49:51,960 –> 00:49:55,120
not opposed to religion, that
the two very much work in

841
00:49:55,120 –> 00:49:56,560
harmony.
Apostle Paul said that you

842
00:49:56,560 –> 00:50:00,800
should be able to, through
science, see God, and we’ve seen

843
00:50:00,800 –> 00:50:03,880
how that is true in in several
areas of the sciences.

844
00:50:05,400 –> 00:50:09,000
But once we believe that there
is a God, then we’ve still got a

845
00:50:09,000 –> 00:50:13,960
lot of questions in front of us.
Like did he speak to us?

846
00:50:15,040 –> 00:50:17,800
Is this book that we have in
front of us reliable?

847
00:50:17,800 –> 00:50:21,360
Is it the word of God?
Was Jesus truly the Son of God

848
00:50:21,360 –> 00:50:24,080
or just a regular historical
figure?

849
00:50:25,840 –> 00:50:30,120
And that last one is where we’re
gonna start our thoughts

850
00:50:30,200 –> 00:50:30,840
tomorrow morning.