Colin Badger – The Continuity of Babylon – Class 2 – The Man of Sin Prophecy

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Which is entitled The Man of Sin
Prophecy, Brother Colin, my

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brother and sisters.
Our subject for the second talk

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is dealing with the Man of Sin
in 2nd Thessalonians 2, but I’d

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like to draw some threads over
from our first study and join

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them into this second very
important study which has very

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close links with Daniel.
Anyways, as we’ll see what we’ve

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seen so far, I hope, is that our
subject of the continuity of

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Babylon is something indeed
that’s easily to demonstrate

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right back from the time of
Genesis, right straight through

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the Old Testament.
That says a lot for the

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continuity of this theme.
We have seen that the early

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references in Genesis tie in
this subject of Babylon with

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some very important associations
as early on as the life of

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Abraham.
It becomes an antagonistic city

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or power to the people of God.
It’s conjunction with Jerusalem

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and Daniel.
Chapter one, verse one.

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It’s important to note, since
it’s those two cities that

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figure so prominently in the
Book of Revelation.

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We know from the Book of
Revelation that in somehow, some

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way Babylon as a real power is
still on the earth in some form

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of manifestation at the time of
Christ’s return.

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We’ve seen that there is value
in looking at the book of Daniel

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in Revelation from the point of
view of large pictures, big

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themes, the beasts being one
very important large picture,

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and we should hope that by
getting that picture understood,

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some of the smaller supporting
details will fit into a definite

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pattern.
We have seen that the question

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of the beasts in Revelation has
to find part of its answer from

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the book of Daniel itself.
Since those beasts are drawn

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from that source, we’ve seen how
Babylon is glued to this whole

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question of the beasts.
They are brought together very

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early on in the book of Daniel
being set in Babylon as it is.

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And again later on, as we’ve
seen in Revelation, we

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terminated our first class in
the book of Zechariah, where we

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have the last reference to
Shinar or Babylon in the Old

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Testament in conjunction with a
woman.

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Now, brothers and sisters, we’re
going to move quickly through

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three key passages.
And Daniel, I’d like to spend a

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lot more time on them.
We’ll come back from time to

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time in the next two studies.
We’re not going to do them full

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justice, but only to pick up a
few more concepts that are

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important to support the big
picture.

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So Daniel, chapter two we have
on the overhead for you fairly

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standard representation of
Daniel’s dream.

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There are details in this dream
which deserve careful attention

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as they relate to our theme of
Babylon continuous.

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Let’s just notice the following.
It is a fairly standard approach

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to emphasize, when we’re using
Nebuchadnezzar’s image in public

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lectures, the fact that this is
our most remarkable prophecy,

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dealing with the sequence of
four great empires.

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We tend in presentations such as
that to put a tremendous amount

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of emphasis on these metals
representing distinct national

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powers that were once on the
earth.

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And there’s a sense of
correctness about that, of

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course.
I fear that at times we may

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perhaps put the emphasis on the
wrong syllable by doing that.

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No doubt that it is the most
remarkable prophecy in advance

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telling of four great world
empires, and it’s valuable for

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the public platform from that
point of view.

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But we can perhaps overemphasize
the thought that these four

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metals were essentially
representing 4 political

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national powers that came and
went.

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I say we perhaps can
overemphasize that aspect, and

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we’ll try to demonstrate why we
suggest that’s a caution to keep

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in mind.
Well, first as an overview, it’s

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rather curious isn’t it, that as
we go from the gold head down to

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the base metal and clay at the
bottom, we have a descending

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scale of values in the metals,
gold being the most valued.

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And of course down to iron and
clay which are base, we have a

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descending scale of values.
Now what seems to be curious in

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that regard is the following.
In your notes I have a map

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furnished for you on page 4
where we have the boundaries of

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these four empires outlined for
you.

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I just notice the following When
we move from Babylon in the

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first map to Rome in the last,
Babylon was relatively small as

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an empire compared to the
Persian Empire which followed.

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The Grecian Empire was much
larger than the Babylonian,

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although it would seem somewhat
smaller than Persia when it was

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at its zenith.
Rome is about the same size as

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Greece, perhaps a little larger,
maybe not quite as large as the

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Persian Empire.
Now I ask you, brothers and

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sisters, how is it that we move
from a very valuable metal to

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portray Babylon down to the
basest of all metals at the

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bottom, when in fact the size,
the relative size of these

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empires enlarges as you go from
Babylon to Rome?

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You know, from a human point of
view, to have had control over

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over Rome or Greece or Persia
would have been much more

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attractive in some ways, in some
ways than it would have to have

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controlled Babylon in terms of
wealth, people, prestige, power,

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and the supporting empire that
you are ruling over.

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Rome or Greece or Persia would
have been much more attractive,

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much more flattering for a ruler
to have the opportunity of

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presiding over it.
And yet, gold is what’s placed

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on the top, the smallest of all
the empires.

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Just keep that in mind.
That’s an observation to make.

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First of all, chapter 2 of
Daniel And we look at verse 37

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and 38 of Daniel, chapter 2.
The terms used to describe

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Babylon are perhaps in the
superlative compared to any of

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the other ascriptions that are
given to the remaining powers,

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even though they have larger
dominions.

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Verse 37.
Thou, O king, art a king of

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kings.
For the God of heaven hath given

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thee a Kingdom, power and
strength, and glory.

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And wheresoever the children of
men dwell, the beasts of the

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field, the fowls of heaven, hath
he given unto thine hand, and

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hath made thee ruler over them
all Thou art this head of gold.

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And as we go through the
descriptions of the remaining

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empires, there aren’t those
superlatives used at all.

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Why such an attention to what
was really the smallest of all

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the empires?
Furthermore, in chapter two we

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find this description given to
Medo, Persia.

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We look at verse 38 and 39.
Wheresoever the children have

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meant well the beast, the field,
the fowls, that they haven’t

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hath he given his thine hand,
and hath given the ruler ruler

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over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.

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Then verse 39, After thee shall
arise another Kingdom inferior

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to thee, and another third
Kingdom of brass, which shall

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bear rule over all the earth.
Now wait a minute.

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How is that true?
As a matter of political

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history, let’s just remind
ourselves, how could that be?

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That Medo Persia could be
described as being inferior to

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the domain of Babylon.
Inferior then?

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In what sense?
The puzzle, when you think about

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it, You have the descending
value of the metals and you have

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the statement that Medo Persia
is regarded by the perspective

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God is issuing here as being
inferior.

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In fact it was the largest of
all the empires stretched even

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as far as the borders of India
and it’s zenith, zenith of power

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under Cyrus.
So we might ask ourselves,

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what’s the sense in which it is
inferior?

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Again, I’m just going to ask you
to suspend your judgment on

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that.
Furthermore, why does it say of

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grace that she bears rule over
all the earth?

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What political truth was there
in that?

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Well, let’s just review our
history.

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Alexander the Great, who’s
described in Daniel 8 as the

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little horn that comes up.
Alexander the Great conquered

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after his father Philip of
Macedon, a large part of the

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Mediterranean world, and he too
went over almost to the borders

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of India.
But as Daniel Eight shows,

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Alexander held on to that
dominion for a very, very short

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period of time.
He no longer he no sooner had

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conquered all those territories
than he died within about a

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year.
He himself never presided over

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that empire for very long.
He never really enjoyed, in

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other words, the fruits of his
victory.

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In fact, he never even got back
home.

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He died away from home on his
campaign back.

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But furthermore, shortly after
Alexander died, the four

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generals that emerged after him
carved up his empire into four,

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and then into other parts
besides.

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And there really was no single
rulership of Greece under one

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head over the whole dominion
like there was with

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Nebuchadnezzar.
Let’s say there never was a time

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when Greece had that kind of
rulership as a matter of

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political history.
So there’s some sense in which

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medo Persia is inferior to the
rulership of Babylon.

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There is some sense in which
Greece is said to bear rule over

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all the earth.
How could that be?

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It didn’t seem.
It doesn’t seem to ring true if

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one just looks at the facts of
political history.

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Unless there is some other
perspective, of course, that God

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has in mind some other values by
which he is measuring the

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rulership or the control or the
dominance of these powers.

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Let’s just look at another
detail concerning the metals.

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Daniel chapter 2.
Going back to verse 35, take a

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look at this one.
Then was the iron, the clay, the

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brass, the silver and the gold
broke into pieces together and

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became like the chaff of the
summer threshing floors.

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Problem is, what does it mean
broken to pieces together?

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That’s at the time when the
stone strikes the image.

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Of course, it’s at the time of
Christ’s return, but how could

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Babylon political still be
described as being in the earth?

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Will ancient Greece be on the
earth as a real power, when

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Christ returns to destroy and
break in pieces all the metals

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together?
Will ancient Rome be on the

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earth at that time, as she was
once a great political power

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ruled by a Senate or by a
Caesar?

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In what sense then could it be
said that these medals are still

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present at the return of Christ
to be destroyed together?

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And of course, the context by
way of time we can see very

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clearly deals with the latter
days.

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In other words, there are
several clues in Daniel chapter

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2.
But God has a perspective here

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that isn’t dealing so much with
political powers as they rise

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and fall, as He is concerned,
perhaps about another plot or

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theme altogether.
It’s not to downplay entirely

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the importance of political
power as part of the message,

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but the sense in which these
medals could be destroyed

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together at the return of
Christ.

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The sense in which Medo Persia
could be described as inferior

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to Babylon, considering the
facts of history and the size of

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the boundaries, points to
another direction.

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Now we will suspend our judgment
there and move on to Daniel. 4IN

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Daniel, chapter four we receive
a picture of a tree.

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When we’re told in the vision
the tree represents Babylon

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Nebuchadnezzar, and the tree is
cut down.

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Now we get the following
information.

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Verse 14.
He cried aloud and said thus

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hewed down the tree and cut off
his branches.

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Shake off his leaves and scatter
his fruit.

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Let the beasts get away from
under it, and the fowls from his

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branches.
Nevertheless, nevertheless,

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leave the stump.
That’s the stump of Babylon.

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Leave the stump of his roots in
the earth, even with a band of

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iron and brass in the tender
grass of the field, and let it

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be wet with the dew of heaven,
and let its portion be wet with

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the beasts in the grass of the
earth.

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What is the brass and the iron
doing together at the same time

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with this stump which is encased
by these two metals?

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What does it mean that the roots
will remain in the earth even

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after the tree is cut down and
after it is cut down and the

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roots remain in the heart of the
earth?

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How is it that the iron and
brass are in a sort of

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coexistence with the stump of
Babylon behind it?

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That’s not so obvious?
You see the point, brothers and

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sisters.
There aren’t clues here in

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Daniel chapter four that Babylon
lives on.

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There are clues here that
Babylon continues as a concern

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in the kingdoms of men.
Even after the national power

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that had certain boundaries and
was ruled by certain dictators

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of Babylon has long since been
cut down, there’s some sense in

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which Nebuchadnezzar’s empire is
going to terminate.

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Babylon’s going to be destroyed,
but the roots of Babylon will

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remain in the earth after the
political power has long since

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been destroyed.
There’s a sense in which the

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metal and the brass continue
together and are meant to be

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seen together with one another,
and they are encasing Babylon,

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the Babylonian trunk.
The source, The root is

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Babylonish, but in some sense it
is seen to be in conjunction

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with the iron and the brass.
Not the silver, not the silver.

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Somehow, Amito Persia doesn’t
figure as being terribly

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important relative to the other
four empires, especially to

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Babylon.
There’s something about Babylon

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that continues on and is that
the clue as to why the head is

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gold?
As to why Babylon is associated

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with something that doesn’t
tarnish, something that doesn’t

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disappear in a road with time,
there’s something about Babylon

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that is not weathered or
destroyed by time it continues

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on.
Is that the clue And is that

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perhaps the reason why Medo
Persia’s importance is

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downplayed as being inferior?
Not in the political sense of

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boundaries and peoples, but
rather in terms of the dominant

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influence that would continue in
the earth.

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Babylon is pre eminent relative
to any of them in Medo.

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Persia is the least of the four
in its importance.

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It is not one of the bands
around the sun.

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It does not continue as silver
any further in the prophecies 4

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When we continue in our
understanding of the prophecies

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we discover in Daniel Chapter 7.
If you just go there now,

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we discover in Daniel Chapter 7
that the brass and the iron are

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mentioned once again, this time
in relationship to the 4th beast

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which has the little horn.
Now isn’t that curious that when

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Daniel sees the 4th beast which
is destroyed by Christ, Now we

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know it’s destroyed by Christ
because in Daniel Chapter 7

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that’s spelled out very clearly
by the angel’s word and by what

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the man of God sees in vision
himself?

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For example, when we come down
to verse 11 of Daniel 7, Daniel

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says he beholds because of the
voice of the great words which

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the horns spake.
I beheld even till the beast was

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slain.
That’s the 4th beast, and his

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body destroyed and given to the
burning flame.

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Isn’t that interesting?
The 4th beast is present at the

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return of Christ.
The 4th beast, though, is now

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described by the Angel as having
two medals.

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It’s not something Daniel saw at
first when he observed it, for

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in verse 19.
Then I would know the truth of

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the 4th beast, which was diverse
from all the others exceeding

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dreadful, whose teeth were of
iron, and his nails of brass,

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which devoured breaking pieces,
stamped the residue with his

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feet.
Now we might ask, how could it

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be that this 4th beast that will
be destroyed by Christ when he

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returns, which is diverse from
the other three beasts.

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This little horn which is
described as being diverse from

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the other horns, has organic to
this beast, brass and iron.

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There’s a link with the stump.
Obviously we were not wrong in

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surmising in Daniel Chapter 4,
therefore that there’s some

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sense in which there’s a
continuous presence of those

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powers in the earth once their
political dominions have

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actually vanished.
Somehow the Babylonious route

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remains in the earth after
Nebuchadnezzar has gone, after

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the political dominion of
Babylon has vanished.

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There’s some sense in which the
brass and the iron that banned

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that stump are meant to be
associated with the stump that

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lives on, with the roots that
continue in the heart of the

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earth.
Not the silver, but the brass

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and the iron.
And then in that beast which

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arises in Daniel Seven, we’re
told once again that brass and

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iron are Co inexistent with one
another.

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There’s some sense in which
brass and iron are still present

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in this beast that is to be
destroyed by Christ, and it’s

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connected with this little horn
that speaks great things.

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No wonder then, in
Nebuchadnezzar’s image, the

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metals were destroyed together
at the return of the stone

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return of Christ.
No wonder it could be said that

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the metals are ground together.
There’s a sense in which those

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metals have lived on through the
centuries in their influence.

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Now it can’t be, as we said,
first and foremost in the

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political sense.
And that’s why I said that in

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our lectures we perhaps put the
emphasis on a syllable.

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That isn’t quite the way the
scriptures put the emphasis.

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Those four empires must
obviously be illustrating powers

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that are more important and more
long lasting than simply the old

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ancient powers with certain
boundaries.

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There’s a sense in which Iron
Rome lives on.

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There’s a sense in which the
influence of Greece lives on

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beyond the old empire.
There’s a sense in which the

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influence of Medo Persia was
inferior relative to these other

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powers in the Earth.
There’s a sense in which even

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after Nebuchadnezzar’s empire
has fallen and been destroyed by

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the Persians, in which the roots
of Babylon remain in the earth

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and continue on.
Are we wrong in that conclusion?

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We’re not wrong because when we
open the Book of Revelation,

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Babylon is still there.
No wonder Babylon is still there

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because Daniel Four has told us
so.

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Daniel 4 is the explanation,
surely, of how it is that

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Babylon is present in the Book
of Revelation.

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What is that power?
In what sense is that power

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continuous?
In your note, we try to bring

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these thoughts together by the
following diagrams.

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We’re introduced to the iron and
the brass.

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We show how they are shown again
in the stump, even after ancient

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Babylon has been cut down and
destroyed.

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And we see how that they are
organic to the body of the 4th

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beast which is present to be
destroyed by Christ.

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Conclusion, somehow the metal
and the brass mean more than

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just the political empire.
What’s the other choice?

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Then?
What is the other choice?

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What’s the choice of Babylon?
How does Babylon live on to be

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present at the time of
Revelation?

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How is it that in Zechariah 5
this wicked woman is put into a

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jar containing her and holding
her down, and is taken to the

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land of Shinar to set up her
base there, when Babylon

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political has already been
destroyed at the time of

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Zachariah?
See how it ties together?

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See brothers and sisters.
There’s really a concept here of

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continuity that is more
important than the old political

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power itself.
The only other choice really is

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ideology.
There must be something said

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here about the philosophy, the
ideas, the apostate beliefs, the

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rebellious forms of worship, the
seeds of error and untruth that

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are behind these powers.
And it’s those that live on in

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the earth.
And you know, it’s a fact.

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You only have to take a course
in classical history university

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without looking very far.
In most of those kind of

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textbooks, they’ll start off by
saying that the Western world is

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furnished by Greek and Roman
ideas, Our law system, our

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various codes, some even some
things to do with our language,

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the Latanic languages and so on.
The Romance languages all have

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had their influence in the
thinking, the vocabulary, the

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values, the ideas of Roman
Greece.

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That is quite apparent to
historians and scholars even

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today.
It’s not hard to find proof of

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that, as we’ve said.
But you know what isn’t so

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obvious?
It’s in one of those classical

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history classes you were to
raise your hand and say, but

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Babylon, it’s very important
today too, Sir.

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Babylon lives on today as well,
you know.

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You’d be laughed at.
Babylon.

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No, no, no.
Greece and Rome, yes, not

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Babylon said yes.
From God’s point of view,

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Babylon does live on.
There are ideas, there are

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beliefs, there are concepts of
worship and so on.

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That, in God’s estimation, have
had a continuous corrupting

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influence and a rebellious
influence down through the years

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in man’s history.
The historians can see the brass

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and they can see the iron, but
what’s not so obvious is the

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fact that they are encasing a
rotten Babylonian stump that is

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not obvious to man’s vision.
It’s the iron in the brass which

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are discernible the most clearly
by man, even by an observant

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scholar.
Babylon is not so obvious.

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Babylon’s influence and ongoing
corruption in the earth is not

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apparent.
It takes the scriptures in God’s

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vision to see who the real
villain is behind the scenes, as

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it were.
Now, brothers and sisters, that

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is where I believe the emphasis
should lie.

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When we look at Nebuchadnezzar’s
image, it is first and foremost

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an image of a man, man’s way of
doing things.

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It is an image of man’s
thinking.

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And Babylon, back in Genesis 10
and Genesis 11, was the first

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Kingdom of man.
And that’s why in Genesis 10

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mention of the Gentiles comes
first.

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The Isles of the Gentiles we
read and then we zero in on

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Shinar and Babylon.
It’s the first dominion or

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Kingdom in Genesis 11 that
rebelled against God and built

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their own city.
Come, let us build our city, man

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in his world.
So it’s the image of a man man’s

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way of thinking, man’s way of
doing.

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And in relationship to that,
there are certain influences

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that go right back to the
beginning of the kingdoms of men

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and have had a continuous
corrupting thread down through

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the years.
That obviously then explains the

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sense in which Babylon is still
present in Revelation.

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Now, brothers and sisters, let’s
see how that ties in then with

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our theme.
Babylon.

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Continuous in the Earth, Babylon
has a kind of continuity which

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goes all through the scriptures.
Babylon is not to be viewed so

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much as a political power with
distinct boundaries and a

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certain type of rulership.
Roman Greece, coming second in

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importance, are to be viewed as
part of this whole picture, as

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having influences in the earth
that are really far more

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important than just when they
were within certain years on the

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earth as a political power.
Somehow or another, Babylon is

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fused with those other two, or
they are at least fused with

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Babylon.
Are they not in some ways the

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major perpetrators, the major
mouthpieces through which

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Babylonious Doctrine and
Babylonious ideas and concepts

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will continue to be spoken and
taught and have their influence

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on the earth, suggest brothers
and sisters that that is the

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case.
It is the best explanation which

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explains the meaning of the
stump, how it is related in

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drawing 2 metals out of the
image.

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How it is that the 4th beast in
turn draws out those same 2

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metals and puts them organic to
a beast that is still present

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when Christ returns.
More than that, look at Daniel

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Seven once again.
Even after the 4th beast is

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destroyed in verse 11 there is
something said you know about

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the other beasts that is about
the bear.

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There is something implied about
the leopard still.

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Just notice what is said after
the 4th beast is destroyed.

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We read in verse 12 as
concerning the rest of the

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beasts.
They had their dominion taken

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away, yet their lives were
prolonged for a season and a

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time.
That’s the return of Christ

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after he’s destroyed the 4th
beast.

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There still is a sense in which
the rest of the beasts, even

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though they’re shorn of their
dominion, have their lives

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prolonged.
So they’re present at the return

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of Christ, and there’s a sense
in which they still continue in

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the earth in some way or
another, although they don’t

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have dominion, although they’re
not exercising real authority

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and power.
Even after Christ act against

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the 4th beast, the seeds of
their influence may be lying

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dormant.
Is still there.

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That we believe has a very
important link with rebellion at

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the end of the Millennium.
There still is a sense in which

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mortal flesh can organize itself
at the end and rebel against God

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00:30:08,720 –> 00:30:11,240
in so doing.
What happens then?

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00:30:11,520 –> 00:30:15,320
The attitudes, the ideas, the
challenges that occur there at

440
00:30:15,320 –> 00:30:18,600
the end of the Millennium have
their roots with these beasts.

441
00:30:18,920 –> 00:30:22,720
They still, in a certain sense,
are not totally obliterated.

442
00:30:24,280 –> 00:30:28,920
That then, perhaps doesn’t
change by any means 100% our

443
00:30:28,920 –> 00:30:30,760
understanding of
Nebuchadnezzar’s image.

444
00:30:30,800 –> 00:30:33,880
Not at all.
But there’s a certain emphasis

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00:30:33,880 –> 00:30:37,320
that perhaps we might give it,
namely the political old empires

446
00:30:37,760 –> 00:30:40,720
that really aren’t the major
point of the lesson.

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00:30:42,200 –> 00:30:44,920
He wants us to see that Babylon
continues.

448
00:30:44,920 –> 00:30:48,320
He wants us to notice the brass
and iron especially living on

449
00:30:48,560 –> 00:30:52,200
and being coextensive with that
Babylonious root.

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00:30:52,520 –> 00:30:55,720
That’s what Daniel for is trying
to bring to our attention after

451
00:30:55,720 –> 00:30:58,280
the image.
That’s what Daniel 7’s fourth

452
00:30:58,280 –> 00:31:02,080
beast is trying to emphasize,
even after the stump vision has

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00:31:02,080 –> 00:31:05,600
been given.
And you know, when I went back,

454
00:31:05,920 –> 00:31:10,480
having done this little study
myself, I went back from Eureka.

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00:31:10,960 –> 00:31:18,240
He says this in volume to page
652, that he, Nebuchadnezzar,

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00:31:18,240 –> 00:31:20,000
might know the thoughts of his
heart.

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00:31:20,920 –> 00:31:24,840
A symbolical representation was
presented before him in a dream

458
00:31:25,640 –> 00:31:30,800
illustrative of the general
fortunes and consummation of the

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00:31:30,800 –> 00:31:33,680
Kingdom of Babylon.
In the latter days.

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00:31:34,880 –> 00:31:39,080
Thomas is constructing that
sentence presented before

461
00:31:39,080 –> 00:31:42,760
Nebuchadnezzar in a dream
illustrative of the general

462
00:31:42,760 –> 00:31:47,720
fortunes and consummation of the
Kingdom of Babylon in the latter

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00:31:47,720 –> 00:31:50,560
days.
But Thomas was looking at that

464
00:31:50,560 –> 00:31:55,520
image as being a representation
of things, especially to do with

465
00:31:55,520 –> 00:31:58,880
the last days.
Not so much the emphasis of

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00:31:58,880 –> 00:32:01,520
these being 4 consecutive
political empires that will come

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00:32:01,520 –> 00:32:05,000
and go.
Rather he says hence the Kingdom

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00:32:05,000 –> 00:32:10,480
of Babylon has been in
continuous existence from his

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00:32:10,480 –> 00:32:14,880
reign until now in continuous
existence.

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00:32:15,720 –> 00:32:19,200
See the point, mother?
Thomas didn’t have that point to

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00:32:19,200 –> 00:32:22,040
elude him at all.
In fact, the inflection that we

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00:32:22,040 –> 00:32:26,320
placed on Daniel chapter 2 is
somewhat aside from the emphasis

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00:32:26,320 –> 00:32:31,360
for the Thomas is giving them in
continuous existence from his

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00:32:31,360 –> 00:32:35,120
reign until now, for we are
living in the last days.

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00:32:35,760 –> 00:32:37,440
Another quotation from Mother
Thomas.

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00:32:39,480 –> 00:32:43,600
This is a game from Eureka.
It is true that the House of the

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00:32:43,600 –> 00:32:46,760
Kingdom has not always been the
Babylon, which was the beginning

478
00:32:46,760 –> 00:32:48,800
of Nimrod’s dominion, Genesis
10.

479
00:32:49,400 –> 00:32:52,800
It has been sometimes at one
place, sometimes at another,

480
00:32:53,280 –> 00:32:55,920
until at length Rome became the
House of the great city.

481
00:32:56,720 –> 00:33:00,360
Various dynasties have come,
have become the inheritors.

482
00:33:00,680 –> 00:33:04,440
That’s the key point.
The inheritors of the Kingdom of

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00:33:04,440 –> 00:33:08,200
Babylon after Nebuchadnezzar’s,
there was the Silver Dynasty and

484
00:33:08,200 –> 00:33:11,600
the Brazen Dynasty and the Iron
Dynasty and the Clay Dynasty. 5

485
00:33:11,600 –> 00:33:15,680
dynasties ruling over the one in
the same Kingdom, called also

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00:33:15,680 –> 00:33:17,880
the Kingdom of Men.
See the point?

487
00:33:18,200 –> 00:33:21,840
The image is a picture of the
Kingdom of Men and Babylon is

488
00:33:21,840 –> 00:33:24,880
shown to be in continuous
existence through the Kingdoms

489
00:33:24,880 –> 00:33:28,280
of Men.
Again, another quotation, this

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00:33:28,280 –> 00:33:31,560
time from the third volume.
The literal Babylon was the

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00:33:31,560 –> 00:33:36,720
beginner and supporter of
tyranny and idolatry, first by

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00:33:36,720 –> 00:33:38,960
Nimrod and afterwards by
Nebuchadnezzar.

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00:33:38,960 –> 00:33:42,720
Therefore, in Isaiah 47 and 12,
she’s accused of the magical

494
00:33:42,720 –> 00:33:47,680
enchantments from her youth or
infancy, namely from the very

495
00:33:47,680 –> 00:33:52,320
first origin of her being a city
or nation Literal Babylon was

496
00:33:52,320 –> 00:33:58,320
the beginner and the supporter
of tyranny and idolatry.

497
00:33:59,280 –> 00:34:03,160
It’s the ideology the brother
Thomas is underscoring as the

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00:34:03,200 –> 00:34:07,440
most important that is connected
with the continuous existence of

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00:34:07,440 –> 00:34:10,880
that power finding.
From his book on Daniel, the

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00:34:10,880 –> 00:34:14,080
Kingdom of man has been
diversified in his constitution,

501
00:34:14,080 –> 00:34:17,760
extent and throne.
Since its foundation by Nimrod

502
00:34:17,760 –> 00:34:21,840
to the present time, it has
nevertheless been the same

503
00:34:22,080 –> 00:34:27,840
Nimrodian Kingdom with Babylon
and Assyria for its

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00:34:27,840 –> 00:34:31,760
characteristics.
Now to be honest with you,

505
00:34:31,760 –> 00:34:35,159
brothers and sisters, I must
admit, having gone through this

506
00:34:35,320 –> 00:34:40,040
exercise myself, come to these
conclusions myself, I was amazed

507
00:34:40,040 –> 00:34:42,880
and somewhat ashamed to go back
and finally check out these

508
00:34:42,880 –> 00:34:45,920
references to Brother Thomas’s
writings and discover that

509
00:34:45,920 –> 00:34:48,080
really that was his emphasis
himself.

510
00:34:49,719 –> 00:34:53,320
It’s not so much a picture of a
successive, A successive number

511
00:34:53,320 –> 00:34:57,880
of empires as it is that these
empires pick up a common chorus.

512
00:34:58,400 –> 00:35:01,480
And these powers, two of them
especially Roman Greece, become

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00:35:01,480 –> 00:35:06,120
the most vocal agent for this
tyranny and idolatry in the

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00:35:06,120 –> 00:35:09,120
kingdoms of men.
And that’s the common thread.

515
00:35:09,480 –> 00:35:12,200
And that surely is the plot of
the story.

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00:35:14,400 –> 00:35:16,440
So we’re really not trying to
say anything radical, brothers

517
00:35:16,440 –> 00:35:19,760
and sisters.
It amounts to a matter of

518
00:35:19,760 –> 00:35:23,760
emphasis, but it’s an emphasis
we believe that can’t be lost

519
00:35:23,760 –> 00:35:27,680
sight of.
Tell you why recent expositions

520
00:35:28,920 –> 00:35:33,480
have tended to stress a gap
perspective in Daniel and

521
00:35:33,480 –> 00:35:35,360
Revelation.
We won’t go into that in detail,

522
00:35:35,360 –> 00:35:39,200
but some recent expositions in
the Brotherhood have tended to

523
00:35:39,280 –> 00:35:44,120
stress the idea that
Nebuchadnezzar’s image and some

524
00:35:44,120 –> 00:35:47,640
of the other visions in Daniel
are looking at a picture where

525
00:35:47,640 –> 00:35:50,400
we have a continuous line up to
a certain point and a mammoth

526
00:35:50,400 –> 00:35:53,160
gap.
And then after that gap is over,

527
00:35:53,160 –> 00:35:57,040
with a whole number of details
from Revelation and Daniel are

528
00:35:57,040 –> 00:36:00,800
squeezed into that 3 1/2 final
years at the time of Christ’s

529
00:36:00,800 –> 00:36:03,160
return.
It’s what we would call a

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00:36:03,160 –> 00:36:07,920
parenthesis or a gap perspective
on the timeline of prophecy in

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00:36:07,920 –> 00:36:12,120
Daniel in Revelation.
Now I believe that what we’ve

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00:36:12,120 –> 00:36:16,720
seen so far completely counters
that the picture and the

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00:36:16,720 –> 00:36:21,040
emphasis in Daniel 4 and
Nebuchadnezzar’s image is a

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00:36:21,080 –> 00:36:25,600
perspective of continuity of no
gap whatsoever.

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00:36:25,920 –> 00:36:29,920
Babylon is there and has always
been there and manifest its

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00:36:29,960 –> 00:36:33,560
influence on the earth in many,
many forms through 2 chief

537
00:36:33,600 –> 00:36:38,920
agents, Greek and Roman
ideology, but it’s really

538
00:36:38,960 –> 00:36:43,440
Babylon down below now, brothers
and sisters.

539
00:36:43,480 –> 00:36:45,920
With that in mind, we’d like to
take a look now, and we’ll

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00:36:45,960 –> 00:36:49,200
perhaps need more than just this
class at the Man of Sin.

541
00:36:50,400 –> 00:36:53,720
And we’re going to see, I
believe, how this prophecy in

542
00:36:53,720 –> 00:36:58,720
the New Testament is a great
help in unlocking some of the

543
00:36:58,720 –> 00:37:02,440
more difficult parts of our
expositions of Daniel and

544
00:37:02,440 –> 00:37:07,800
Revelation.
So let’s take a look at 2nd

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00:37:07,840 –> 00:37:15,000
Thessalonians chapter two.
First we’re going to look at it

546
00:37:15,000 –> 00:37:18,800
from an overview, and then we’re
going to take a look at some of

547
00:37:18,800 –> 00:37:21,720
its finer details.
But we’re going to do it with a

548
00:37:21,720 –> 00:37:26,120
specific purpose in mind.
We’re going to discover that

549
00:37:26,120 –> 00:37:30,000
this book, or rather this
prophecy in 2nd Thessalonians 2

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00:37:30,600 –> 00:37:33,720
has undoubtedly linked with
Revelation and Daniel.

551
00:37:34,640 –> 00:37:39,720
In fact, all of our recent
expositions that have taken a

552
00:37:39,720 –> 00:37:42,600
different course from that of
Brother Thomas, all of our

553
00:37:42,600 –> 00:37:46,520
recent expositions have all
agreed on at least one thing,

554
00:37:46,520 –> 00:37:51,520
and that is that the Man of sin,
prophecy and the beast system

555
00:37:51,520 –> 00:37:53,360
and Daniel revelation are one of
the same.

556
00:37:53,440 –> 00:37:57,360
That is agreed by the three
chief expositions in the

557
00:37:57,360 –> 00:38:00,280
community today that take a
different course than that found

558
00:38:00,280 –> 00:38:03,360
in Eureka.
They have a common note on this

559
00:38:03,680 –> 00:38:06,120
that the man of sin is linked
with the beast system.

560
00:38:06,480 –> 00:38:08,880
Who he is and who they are is
one of the same.

561
00:38:08,880 –> 00:38:12,600
Now that’s important to have
seen that common denominator and

562
00:38:12,600 –> 00:38:17,120
bear that in mind.
If we then can solve the mystery

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00:38:17,120 –> 00:38:21,960
of who the man of sin is, if we
can solve the mystery of who the

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00:38:21,960 –> 00:38:26,520
man of sin is, we have it’s so
factor, the old saying

565
00:38:26,560 –> 00:38:30,480
automatically got the key as to
who the beast system is.

566
00:38:31,160 –> 00:38:33,840
We’ve got the key of who it is
not only in Daniel but in

567
00:38:33,840 –> 00:38:36,280
Revelation.
And I believe that’s a valid

568
00:38:36,440 –> 00:38:39,320
statement to make.
The connections with those two

569
00:38:39,320 –> 00:38:43,120
other books, Daniel in
Revelation make it obvious that

570
00:38:43,120 –> 00:38:46,720
here is a master key in
explaining identity.

571
00:38:47,800 –> 00:38:50,680
As I said, even the other three
major expositions that differ so

572
00:38:50,680 –> 00:38:54,080
widely from Bubba Thomas have
themselves concluded from the

573
00:38:54,080 –> 00:38:58,000
clues within this prophecy.
But you can’t separate it from

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00:38:58,000 –> 00:39:00,840
the B system in either Daniel or
Revelation to that we would

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00:39:00,840 –> 00:39:03,280
agree conclusions would be
otherwise.

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00:39:03,400 –> 00:39:06,040
So we want to start off by
saying, as we look at 2nd

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00:39:06,040 –> 00:39:10,360
Thessalonians 2, what’s the
nature of this man, this man of

578
00:39:10,360 –> 00:39:11,640
sin?
Is he religious?

579
00:39:12,280 –> 00:39:15,840
Is he essentially political?
Or is he both?

580
00:39:16,880 –> 00:39:21,200
And what’s the timing?
Is this man of sin a power that

581
00:39:21,200 –> 00:39:26,800
is to arise only in the future,
let’s say at the time of Christ,

582
00:39:26,800 –> 00:39:28,440
as some of our brethren have
suggested?

583
00:39:29,320 –> 00:39:33,080
Does he represent a power or a
system that would arise

584
00:39:33,120 –> 00:39:38,520
immediate to the time of the
apostle, contemporary with him,

585
00:39:38,920 –> 00:39:41,600
and only contemporary for a few
years, and then go away and

586
00:39:41,600 –> 00:39:44,280
that’s it?
Or instead, does the man of sin

587
00:39:44,280 –> 00:39:48,280
represent a continuous link past
and future?

588
00:39:48,920 –> 00:39:50,400
Now let’s bear those questions
in mind.

589
00:39:50,400 –> 00:39:52,920
I’ve got to come back to them
when we finish our exposition of

590
00:39:52,920 –> 00:39:55,720
2nd Thessalonians 2.
Two key questions.

591
00:39:55,720 –> 00:39:58,160
Now remember what we said in our
first class?

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00:39:59,200 –> 00:40:01,960
The man who asked the right
questions is the one who’s going

593
00:40:01,960 –> 00:40:05,160
to find the right answers.
A lot of it depends on what

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00:40:05,160 –> 00:40:06,720
questions you’re asking
yourself.

595
00:40:07,560 –> 00:40:11,680
We can fresh around in this
whole area of study and ask all

596
00:40:11,680 –> 00:40:14,040
kinds of questions that won’t be
helpful at first.

597
00:40:14,720 –> 00:40:18,160
Who are the frog like spirits?
Why is the #666?

598
00:40:18,160 –> 00:40:21,760
All kinds of supporting detail,
But they are the small details,

599
00:40:22,160 –> 00:40:25,240
The supporting detail.
If you start with those, we may

600
00:40:25,240 –> 00:40:28,120
never find a satisfactory answer
to the big picture.

601
00:40:28,800 –> 00:40:32,000
We’re looking at the B system,
and we’re looking at some

602
00:40:32,000 –> 00:40:34,360
important concepts that are tied
with it.

603
00:40:34,720 –> 00:40:38,560
If we master that and have a
relatively good understanding of

604
00:40:38,560 –> 00:40:42,160
what that represents, then the
other pieces of the puzzle will

605
00:40:42,160 –> 00:40:44,920
fit in.
So here we come to a New

606
00:40:44,920 –> 00:40:48,880
Testament passage.
It’s nowhere near as symbolic as

607
00:40:48,880 –> 00:40:51,720
Daniel.
It’s not a symbolic book like

608
00:40:51,720 –> 00:40:55,360
Revelation.
The clues for the timing and the

609
00:40:55,360 –> 00:40:59,920
nature of this man are much
easier to discern than Daniel

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00:40:59,920 –> 00:41:01,720
seven or the Beast of
Revelation.

611
00:41:02,000 –> 00:41:05,480
So it’s kind of like starting
with the easier section that’s

612
00:41:05,480 –> 00:41:08,640
relevant to an answer to our
question, who are the beasts?

613
00:41:09,040 –> 00:41:13,200
What are they?
Well, let’s very quickly take a

614
00:41:13,200 –> 00:41:17,680
look at how the prophecy of a
man of sin is structured.

615
00:41:18,520 –> 00:41:22,280
This reveals a great deal.
I’m going to have to do this

616
00:41:22,400 –> 00:41:26,080
fairly quickly, but the notes
I’m showing you now are in your

617
00:41:26,080 –> 00:41:31,760
book anyway.
Well, first of all, it seems

618
00:41:32,200 –> 00:41:35,200
apparent when one analyzes the
details of the man of sin

619
00:41:35,200 –> 00:41:40,080
prophecy that several key
concepts are brought out in the

620
00:41:40,080 –> 00:41:44,080
prophecy.
There seems to be a movement

621
00:41:44,080 –> 00:41:49,640
here described, not just a man.
We know from the third verse

622
00:41:50,840 –> 00:41:55,800
that this man of sin is
described as being to do with a

623
00:41:55,800 –> 00:42:00,240
falling away first.
Now the Greek word for falling

624
00:42:00,240 –> 00:42:04,080
away is only one.
It’s only one word that

625
00:42:04,080 –> 00:42:07,880
represents that falling away in
English, and it’s the word in

626
00:42:07,880 –> 00:42:10,960
the Greek Apostasia that’s
important.

627
00:42:11,800 –> 00:42:15,880
In the Greek, falling away is
one word and it’s the Greek word

628
00:42:15,880 –> 00:42:18,480
apostasy from which we get the
word apostasy.

629
00:42:19,040 –> 00:42:23,720
So right off the start, this
movement or this individual is

630
00:42:23,720 –> 00:42:28,400
associated with apostasy, which
means to have been on a course

631
00:42:28,400 –> 00:42:32,000
of action and then to have
deviated or fallen from it.

632
00:42:32,760 –> 00:42:36,040
The English says falling away or
turning away.

633
00:42:36,280 –> 00:42:39,720
And that’s that’s the general
sense, to be on a certain course

634
00:42:40,000 –> 00:42:45,080
and then to later leave it to
break away from that course.

635
00:42:46,680 –> 00:42:48,640
He is described as being
lawless.

636
00:42:49,920 –> 00:42:54,920
In verse 7, Paul says that he
already exists.

637
00:42:55,040 –> 00:43:00,000
In fact, he who now letteth
Speaking of the restraining

638
00:43:00,000 –> 00:43:05,240
power, he who now letteth or he
who now restrains will continue

639
00:43:05,240 –> 00:43:08,440
to restrain the RSB is more
helpful there than the King

640
00:43:08,440 –> 00:43:10,920
James.
He who now letteth means he who

641
00:43:10,920 –> 00:43:14,680
now restrains or holds down will
continue to hold down or

642
00:43:14,680 –> 00:43:19,000
restrain until the time comes
where the man of sin system will

643
00:43:19,000 –> 00:43:24,200
be full blown and revealed.
Now if the restraining power on

644
00:43:24,200 –> 00:43:27,840
the man of sin was doing its
restraining at the time of the

645
00:43:27,840 –> 00:43:30,600
Apostle Paul, there was
something to restrain.

646
00:43:30,840 –> 00:43:35,320
Already there was something
being held down until the right

647
00:43:35,320 –> 00:43:39,840
time, and that holding down had
something to hold down.

648
00:43:40,200 –> 00:43:44,800
There was then, in a German
state, at least some aspect of

649
00:43:44,800 –> 00:43:49,640
the man of sin contemporary with
the apostle Paul, some aspect

650
00:43:49,760 –> 00:43:52,400
still contemporary at the time
of the Apostle Paul.

651
00:43:53,320 –> 00:43:56,680
He was restrained, verse 6, but
later to be revealed.

652
00:43:57,640 –> 00:44:00,680
But this is to be focalized,
we’re told in a man.

653
00:44:01,720 –> 00:44:05,040
First we’re told it’s apostasy.
Then we’re told that it’s to do

654
00:44:05,040 –> 00:44:08,600
with a man of sin.
Verse three tells us he will be

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lawless.
He will oppose God.

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He will exalt himself.
He has a seat.

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Verse four, he sits in the
temple of God, or what seems to

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be the temple of God, and he
proclaims himself to be God.

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His converts are one or seduced
by verse 9.

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Satanic activity.
He exercises power pretended

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signs.
Verse 9 wonders.

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Verse nine.
He perpetrates belief in lies.

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Verse 11.
He has pleasure in

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unrighteousness.
Verse 12 And he has a strong

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delusion from God.
Verse 11.

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He’s labeled as the son of
perdition before his end in

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verse 3, he’s destroyed by
Christ in verse 8, and his

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followers are condemned.
Verse 12.

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And it’s that verse that
reinforces the fact that this is

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a movement, not just a single
man, not just an autocrat.

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He was working on his own.
There’s the confirmation that

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the man is representing a system
as well as just himself.

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Now, as you survey that picture,
even before you see the links

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with the Old Testament, certain
facts emerge.

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Is automatically an apparent
link with the 4th beast.

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That 4th beast, who when he
appeared, had a little horn that

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emerged amongst the other ten,
finally tore down three of

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those, and who spoke great
things against the Most High,

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and as a power that was diverse,
says the Angel.

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As a power that was diverse from
the other horns, a different

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nature, a different type of
horn, he was nevertheless

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organic to this larger body.
To this fourth beast there was

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something he was attached to,
larger than just himself, and as

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a horn part of a body in this
body is iron and brass, two

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medals that go right back to the
image, into the stump, to

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ancient powers.
But Daniel seven shows that he

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and the beast are destroyed by
flaming fire from Christ.

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Who is this horn?
Who is the beast?

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Or what is the beast that he was
organic to that was really

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greater than him?
In a certain sense, he was part

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of a system that has links with
Roman Greece in some way, and by

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having those connections he’s
connected with a little stump

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and therefore connected with the
Babylonian root around which

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those two metals are encased,
whose root remains in the heart

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of the earth.
He is part of a beast that has

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two metals that go right back to
the image that is destroyed by

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Christ.
Those two metals are two of the

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metals that are ground together
and destroyed together.

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When the image is destroyed, he
is tied in with some power or

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system that has continuity, that
has ancient links with the past,

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and yet he is present as part of
his beast to be destroyed by

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burning fire when Christ comes.
Here is a man who speaks great

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things against the Most High who
is apostate.

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Lawless existed at the time of
Paul, but was somewhat subdued,

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restrained later to be revealed.
He would sit, if it were in the

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temple of God, be pompous and
proclaiming himself to be God,

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do certain signs and wonders,
and significantly, let’s look at

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how he’s destroyed in Second
Thessalonians chapter two.

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He is destroyed exactly in the
same way as the 4th Beast and

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Daniel seven with the little
horn.

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No wonder there are links.
Verse 8.

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Then shall that wicked the man
of sin be revealed, whom the

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Lord shall consume with the
spirit of his mouth, and shall

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destroy with the brightness of
his coming, with the brightness

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of his coming.
Now when you see how that is

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linked with the flaming fire of
first the Thessalonians, chapter

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one just mentioned previously by
Paul.

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Verse 7, verse 8, verse 9.
The Lord will come and be

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revealed with His mighty angels.
Chapter one, verse seven in

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flaming fire, verse 9.
Punished with everlasting

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destruction from the presence of
the Lord and from the glory of

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his power.
The language used here to

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describe the destruction of the
man of sin and Chapter 2 is

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drawing upon the language of
chapter one, which in turn has a

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very close word link with the
destruction of the 4th beast and

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Daniel 7.
Now that’s an overview.

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There are closer details to
watch.

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We’ll take the end of this class
as we just terminated now, and

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part of the next one just to
exhaust some of the highlights.

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Just before we end, let’s notice
the following Back to Second

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Thessalonians Chapter 2.
Look at the scriptural

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associations with the language
chosen to describe the man of

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sin.
We’ve mentioned the word

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apostasy.
Apostasy doesn’t mean a power

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that is atheistic like
communism, or like some dictator

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that will arise in the future,
that will oppose Christ and have

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really no basic religious front
to describe in scriptural terms

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as apostate.
Apostasy means to have once been

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on the right course and then to
have deviated from it to have

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wandered away.
So term #1, as it’s used

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elsewhere in scripture and as
it’s associated with scriptural

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thoughts, shows that there must
be a must have been some link

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with religion, some link with
God’s teachings to start with.

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Secondly, look at verse 3.
He is called the Son.

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Of perdition.
Now that’s an extremely

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important clue, brothers and
sisters, as to who he is or what

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kind of person or system he
represents.

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Only one other place in the
Bible is the term son of

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perdition used.
It’s used in the Gospel of John,

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and it’s used to describe Judas
only other place in the New

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Testament.
In other words, in terms of how

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Scripture reveals its own terms.
Son of perdition is first used

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of Judas and secondly used of
the man of sin.

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Was Judas an atheist?
Was he a political power all on

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00:51:29,040 –> 00:51:33,080
his own?
Did he represent instead though

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an individual who had some
connection with Christ, who had

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some semblance of being a
follower of Christ?

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Yes, he did.
He was one who was a kind of 5th

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columnist in the end.
But he did have associations

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with Christ.
He did have the trappings, as it

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were, of some kind of
discipleship in his way of life

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00:51:53,640 –> 00:51:57,000
for a period of time.
And yet he rebelled and went

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away, and he ended up being, of
course, in revolt against

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Christ.
So to.

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Be a son.
Of perdition describes, again

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with the word apostasy, someone
who’s got religious semblance,

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someone who is appearing to be
the true but in fact is the

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false, Someone who looks like or
appears to be one of the

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followers of Christ, but instead
is a betrayer to the real cause

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and the real truth.
A.

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Furthermore, it says here in
this second Thessalonians 2

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context, that they shall or he
shall be associated with a lie

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and with strong delusion.
One of the details we just

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noticed earlier on.
Now the Greek word is the Greek

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word plenaille, and it means to
cause to wander, and it’s used

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00:52:52,360 –> 00:52:55,240
in the New Testament elsewhere
of wandering from the path of

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00:52:55,240 –> 00:52:59,560
truth once.
Again by strong.

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Delusion or a lie.
Their associations reinforced

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00:53:04,200 –> 00:53:08,040
the concept of apostasy and the
concept of being a son of

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perdition.
Furthermore, we see that he has

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00:53:12,840 –> 00:53:17,560
a temple in verse four.
He poses to be as God.

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00:53:19,280 –> 00:53:22,920
He thinks he is God.
He acts as though he actually is

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00:53:22,920 –> 00:53:26,560
the God of the earth in heaven.
That’s.

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00:53:26,560 –> 00:53:28,080
Not obviously the terms that
would be.

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00:53:28,080 –> 00:53:31,800
Used of an atheistic figure, it
is someone who is trying to

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mimic God, trying to reveal
himself or present himself.

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Although he is God and he sits
in a place that in some ways

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mimics God or the true temple,
and he even claims to have a

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seat of authority in that temple
as though he was sitting on a

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00:53:48,720 –> 00:53:52,240
throne.
Everything about him is intended

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00:53:52,240 –> 00:53:56,920
to mimic or parallel the true
although in fact he’s a

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00:53:56,960 –> 00:54:01,800
betrayer, he is apostate.
He in fact is to be destroyed by

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00:54:01,800 –> 00:54:06,440
Christ, although he’s got links
here with the first entry now

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brothers and.
Sisters will terminate.

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At that point.
With one final thought.

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Which will lead us into our next
study.

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Although we’ve said that Son of
perdition is only found one

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other place in the New
Testament, namely for Judas and

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John’s Gospel, the only other
time perdition occurs.

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The only other time Perdition
occurs is in the Book of

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Revelation, and it’s not
surprising that it has to do

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with the Beast system.