278: Jonathan Bowen – The Hope of Israel

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Welcome to Good Chris Selfie and
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And I’m Chris.

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this week’s talk.
Hi everyone, this is Jason

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Hensley and in this week’s
episode we are going to be

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listening to a Class by Brother
Jonathan Bowen.

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This was given back in 2004 at
the Norfolk Petersburg Prophecy

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Weekend and the class is called
For the Hope of Israel.

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Now you might be wondering why
are we listening to a prophecy

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class from 20 years ago?
But the reason for it is because

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I think this class, particularly
because it is 20 years ago, is

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highly helpful for us today.
One of the things that Brother

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Jonathan does here is he’s not
necessarily looking at prophecy.

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He’s really laying the
foundation for why we care so

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much about prophecy and
particularly why we care about

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Israel and about the Jews.
And I think that that’s

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incredibly relevant right now
considering everything that’s

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happening in the world.
And in particular, one of the

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things that Brother Jonathan
brings out is the way that

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Christadelphians cared for
Jewish refugees during World War

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2.
And one of the statements that

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he makes is that the brothers
and sisters at that time, we’re

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in tune with the hope of Israel.
And he poses the question of

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would we be willing to do the
same thing if it were happening

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today?
Now, I’m not suggesting that the

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same thing is happening today,
but I think right now we see

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anti-Semitism in higher levels
than it’s been in a long time.

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And I think that this class
helps ground us in where our

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community has been historically
and where our community has been

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biblically, that we recognize
that the gospel is founded on

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the hope of Israel.
We recognize that the children

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of Abraham, even the natural
descendants, are beloved for the

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father’s sake.
We know that God will never

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break his covenant with Israel.
And so because of that we have a

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foundation that is able to say
salvation is of the Jews, that

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we can say we want to be the
children of Abraham through

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faith.
We have a connection to the

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Jewish people, We have a
connection to the Jewish hope.

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And I think that Brother
Jonathan brings that out very

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strongly and he gives us a
message that we need to hear.

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Even though this class is 20
years old, the biblical verses

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are pertinent and the challenge
is very much real today.

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So I hope that you find this
class inspiring, and I hope that

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it reaffirms and regrounds you
and all of us in the hope of

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Israel.
We live in an extremely exciting

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time, especially when you
consider all the events that are

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sort of going on in the world
around us.

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We’re not going to focus
primarily this weekend on what

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is happening per SE right now,
but when you add up the wind of

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change that’s sort of in the
air, it’s pretty incredible.

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You, of course, are very well
aware, how could you not be

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living the land of advertising
of the upcoming election and all

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the different things that that
may bring, the change that they

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may bring.
Either way, whoever gets in, we

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were discussing with somebody
back at home in Canada about the

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the possibility of the
difference if George Bush was to

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get in a second time.
How, that being the way your

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electoral electoral system works
is that he would have to have a

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or he was only allowed to have a
second term.

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Therefore, what he does in his
second term does not necessarily

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require him to concern himself
with re election.

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So he may be much more
aggressive.

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He may be much more forward in
the things that he does as

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opposed to the first election.
If it was to be John Kerry that

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was to get in again, things may
change substantially.

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We may see the whole situation
move around in a different

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direction.
And it’s interesting to see when

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George Bush first got in that
his policy was to stand away

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from and to and to move back
from world affairs.

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An idea of isolationism, I guess
you could say that was there in

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years gone by in the past.
And yet God intervened in that

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and wouldn’t allow America to go
down that road.

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America was turning in, in some
ways away from, from assistance

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to and in help with the nation
of Israel.

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They were being somewhat
blackmailed by the Bush

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administration initially as to
different ways they had to turn.

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And it was that during that time
there was a Jew living in Israel

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who rode into the Jerusalem
Post.

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And he said, you know, we’re
really in a real dire straight.

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We’ve tried just about
everything.

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We’ve tried war.
And he listed off 19481967, the

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Six Day War, 1973, he says We’ve
tried this idea of peace.

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We tried it under and initially
Menachem Bagan and then with

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Rabin and so on and so forth.
We’ve tried conciliation where

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we’re going to give up the West
Bank on the E Hood Barack and

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hand it over to Yasser Arafat,
who turned it down, he says.

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And we’ve tried all these
different things and now we’re

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into this intifada stage where
basically we have terrorism.

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Going on and we just do not know
what to do.

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And he turned around.
He wrote and he said perhaps

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Jews all across the world need
to write, not write.

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Sorry, need to need to get
together and need to pray to the

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God of Abraham.
Who is the one who?

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Led us through the Red Sea and
times gone by.

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And provide for us some kind of
a change that will help this

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nation out.
Three days later, September the

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11th took place and the whole
world changed.

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Israel’s enemies automatically
became America’s enemies and the

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most powerful nation on earth
was used by.

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God.
To change the situation in the

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Middle East, and that is still
going on today, we live in a

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time of change.
We think of the Pope himself,

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who is now very aged and very
frail and is expected to die at

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any point in time, and the
change that that will bring to

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the world.
We think of Yasser Arafat, who

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has been removed out of Israel
for the first time in several

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years and is now in Paris
undergoing medical treatment.

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And they’re not really sure
whether he’s going to live or

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not.
Through the next few weeks and

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months.
And we think of course the

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nation of Great Britain whereby
they’re also facing an election

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coming up which again may change
the way they respond and and

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cooperate with or against or
America and and Israel, there’s

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a great cross the world turmoil
as to what is going.

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On and the things that are
happening.

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So we think of the words of
Romans chapter 13 and verse 12.

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The night is far spent, the day
is at hand.

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Let us therefore cast off the
works of darkness and put on the

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armour of light.
Let us walk honestly, as in the

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day, not in rioting and
drunkenness, not in chambering

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and wantonness, not in strife
and envying.

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But put ye on the Lord Jesus
Christ, and make not provision

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for the flesh to fulfill the
lusts thereof.

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And so there there we have it.
The night is far spent, the day

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is here and we often ask the
question well.

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Why is it that the Lord Jesus
Christ has not returned yet?

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How come we are still here?
On what basis is what else has

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to happen before we will be
taken away?

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We must realize that this is the
grace of Almighty God to us and

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to our children, that we still
have the opportunity to reform

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our lives and the lives of the
ecclesias, make those necessary

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changes, so that when the Lord
Jesus Christ does come, He may

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find us in situation of joy and
gladness, looking forward to

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meeting Him.
And not in a situation of sorrow

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and in fear.
And so we’re excited as we come

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together to discuss the subject
today.

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It’s a subject that is very dear
to myself and I hope to to all

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of you, and if not perhaps as
much so now then by the end of

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the day, hopefully it will be
we’re going to be moving at a

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fairly rapid pace, as we do
have.

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A lot of material to cover, but
hopefully by having things on

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the screen that will help us out
in following along.

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Now when we consider the subject
that we have in our first

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session, it’s it’s really a
touchstone I guess you could say

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is to how we, we sort of look at
ourselves as a community where

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we’ve come from and what
separates us from the world

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around us.
And one of those key things is

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the promises to Abraham.
And when we consider did, this

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is the Apostolic hope as we have
said, the hope of Israel.

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The whole truth as we know it is
rooted in these things.

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That’s where we began as a
community.

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That’s where the apostles were
at.

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As we hope to demonstrate over
the next few minutes, when God

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first re revealed himself to
Abraham as he was called at that

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point in time, he laid out his
plan for separating a people for

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his name.
We call it God manifestation.

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That’s the title we put to that
doctrine how that God would

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basically in his characteristics
be seen in the people who he

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would call to himself.
And that’s the way it was for

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Abraham back in Genesis chapter
12 and verse one.

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The Lord had said to Abraham,
get thee out of thy country from

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thy kindred, from thy father’s
house, to a land that I will

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show thee and I will maketh thee
a great nation and I will bless

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thee and make thy name great.
And so he goes on.

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But the point there is it is
separation.

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He had to leave his father’s
house.

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He had to leave his kindred.
He had to leave his country to a

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land that God would show him.
He had to separate himself from

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everything that he knew and that
was comfortable to him.

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His comfort zone, I guess you
could say we would call it

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today.
And he had to set out on a

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journey for something that he
really.

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Didn’t know what it was all
going to be about, but he had to

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go because God told him to.
And it was in faith.

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And of course we see ourselves
very similar to that, that we

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have to leave the world around
us.

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Sometimes it requires us to
leave our families.

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Sometimes it requires us to
separate ourselves from those

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who who perhaps we have been
friendly with, because not so

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much we separate from them.
But if we walk in this path, we

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find that they will separate
from us at times.

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But that’s what this man have to
do, and it’s a doctrine We

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understand, the doctrine of the
hope of Israel as it is.

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Shown forward in Abraham, the
promises that were put forward.

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We memorize these verses in
Sunday School.

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Hopefully we do.
Our children should be

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memorizing them because these
are the key things for us.

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And we want to pass them on.
This is almost like air when we

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little children get up and then,
especially in the United States,

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and they do their Pledge of
Allegiance.

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Well, this is almost our Pledge
of Allegiance, that this is the

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hope that God has given us, that
there will be in the future time

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a Kingdom set up.
And we have been promised to be

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involved in these things.
Now the world around us though,

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specifically the the Christian
world around us, is very

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unfamiliar with these things, as
is is evidenced by the actions

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that they take just recently.
The Methodist, sorry, not the

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Methodist, it would be the
Presbyterian Church.

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That’s it has moved to separate
themselves from any company

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they’ve set out in, in
especially in America.

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And of course, there are
different strains of

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Presbyterians to separate
themselves from any company that

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is found to be supporting Israel
in any way.

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And they’ve sort of had a
boycott, A sanction against

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they’ve said throughout their
community that they do not want

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people to basically do business
with those who would do business

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with Israel.
When you think about that, you

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say, well, that’s no different
than Nazi Germany.

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There was a boycott on Jewish
stores, but that’s going on in

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America around us from the
Christians, from the people who

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should know better.
And so we realize that they’re

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not in tune with the gospel as
it was preached to Abraham, and

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that is seen in their actions.
And so as we consider this, we

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think of Abraham, we think of
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involved.
It wasn’t just to him, but as we

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have in Genesis 15 verse 18, the
same day that the Lord made a

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covenant with Abraham saying
unto thy seed, have I given this

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land from the great river the
river Euphrates, or from the

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river of Egypt to the great
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And what we consider that today,
it’s kind of amusing with all

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this debate they have on this
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Israel, Gush Khatif, the little
settlements they’re talking

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about pulling out of.
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God said to Abraham, is to
forget this little settlements

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I’m going to give you from the
river of Egypt way over into the

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area of Babylon, as it would be
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That’s the area that’s totally
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So we see that this is the
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And we have to key on that,
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lost.
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they say, oh, he’s a great man,
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man, an example.
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they missed the point that it’s
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his seed that these promises
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Genesis Chapter 17.
As we continue through As for

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me, behold, my covenant is with
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Shalt be a father of many
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of course, from Abraham to
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And he goes on to say, I’ll make
the exceeding fruit, forming

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nations of thee, and King shall
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Of thee so the first reference
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That would be on earth.
Is that from this man Abraham?

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There would be kings that would
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And of course, he goes on in
chapter 17, verse seven, he says

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I’m going to establish my
covenant between me and thee

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and.
Thy seed after thee.

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For an everlasting covenant, to
be their God unto thee, and and

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to the and to thy seed after
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We’re on your stranger for an
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And I will be their God.
So we see that these are basic

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Sunday School first principles,
that when God chose to separate

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Israel out, He made a promise
with this man and with those who

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would follow him.
But there’s two aspects of those

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who would follow him follow him
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descendants, but also those who
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faithful Abraham.
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And there is Gentile.
Just turn, if you would, for a

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moment, to Ruth.
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prime example of a Gentile who
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her.
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her in many ways the the female
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Because when you come to the
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talking to Ruth and he’s done
his homework and he knows who

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this young woman is.
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partnership or companionship,
here’s a man who’s who’s really

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sort of sussed it out and
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lady’s all about.
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11 Boaz answers, and says to
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all that you have done unto thy
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thine husband.
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Look, I know who you.
Are I’ve got my spies in the

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land, so to speak, and they’ve
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But notice the words now that
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Thou hast left thy father and
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Remember, Abraham, you’re to
leave your kindred in your

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father’s house and the land of
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She he also left her of the
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You to leave the land wherein he
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He was living and come to a
people which you know not

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heretofore, to a land that I
will show you that he knew

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nothing about.
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same stamp she follows in faith,
leaving country behind, leaving

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family behind, leaving all the
things that were her comfort

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zone to a land that she didn’t
even know except by faith, by

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what Naomi had faithfully taught
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So this young woman comes into
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and is brought into the
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And that’s why it is that when
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describes Abraham in Genesis 22,
by inspiration he says in

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blessing I will bless thee
multiplying, I will multiply

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thy.
Seed as the stars of heaven, and

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as the sandwiches upon the
seashore, thy seed shall possess

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the gate of his enemy.
So we have two seeds that he’s

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talking about two analogies that
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There is the stars of heaven,
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there is the sand of the
seashore, which is a natural,

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earthly seed.
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been promised.
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promised participation in the
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Now of course we know through
our basic public lectures that

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these are unfulfilled promises.
Acts, Chapter 7, verse five.

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He gave him none.
Inheritance in it.

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No, not so much as to set his
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So Stephen says to us that,
look, he didn’t get a piece of

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it, but he promised that he
would give it to him for a

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possession.
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So although he didn’t have as
much as to set his foot on, I

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mean, there was The Cave in
Makpila, but God didn’t give

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that to him.
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And there he buried his wife.
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All he had.
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buried as well later on.
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it to him and to his seed after
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And so it is as we follow
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to Second Samuel.
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picked up at the time when
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build the house for the Lord.
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no, you’re not going to build a
house for me, but I’m going to

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establish your house.
And he says in Second Samuel 7

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verse 12, I will set up thy seed
after thee, which shall proceed

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out of thy bowels, and I will
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And he shall build a house for
my name, and I will establish

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the throne of his Kingdom
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So he elaborates on those
promises that were given to

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David or to Abraham, where he
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And to David he says, listen,
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and I’m going to establish his
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And of course he will build a
house for me, and so on and so

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forth.
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that would develop from David.
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that through to the New
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Luke, When the Angel Gabriel
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And the Angel Gabriel says,
Behold, thou shalt conceive in

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thy womb, and bring forth a son,
and shall call his name Yahashua

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or Jesus, and he shall be great,
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the Highest.
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him the throne of his father
David, and he shall reign over

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the House of Jacob Forever.
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be no end.
So that promise is tied right

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into the Lord Jesus Christ as we
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And of course, when the people
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of his birth, we find that they
ask the question, where is he

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that was born?
King of the Jews.

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So this is the one, as we know,
who would be the one that was to

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fulfill those promises to David.
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those who were looking for the
restoration of the Kingdom to

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Israel, and this king, the
Messiah, who would come.

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In accordance to the words of
prophecy, Micah chapter 4, verse

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six we read there in that day,
saith the Lord, I will assemble

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her that halteth.
And I will gather her that is

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driven out, and I will make her
that was cast off a strong

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nation.
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restoration of Israel when these
things would actually come to

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pass.
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Lord shall reign over them in
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From henceforth even forever
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Even the first dominion, the
Kingdom shall come to the

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daughter of Jerusalem.
So there’s one of those passages

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that tells us.
The Kingdom that is coming, and

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this is a point that’s missed a
lot by our friends around us.

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The the the alien as as we would
call them in some circles that

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the.
The interested friend, perhaps,

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but going past that to the
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The church is the Christian
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They missed this point that the
Kingdom of God isn’t a new

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thing, it’s the reinstitution of
something that existed in the

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past, he says.
What’s going to happen that

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should point out there?
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the first dominion is to be
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It’s not a brand new thing, but
it’s a restoration of what

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already existed.
And so it is that that idea

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forms one of the core elements
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The good news of what?
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And so we have that idea laid
out for us by the Lord Jesus

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Christ.
It has to do everything with

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salvation, both for the Jews.
And also for the Gentiles, when

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he’s at Shechem or Cycar as it’s
called in that John chapter 4

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and verse 22, the woman you know
says, well, we worship in this

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mountain, You worship in this
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What’s it all about?
And he says, listen, you

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worship, you know not what we
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For salvation is of the Jews.
And that’s the other point we

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want to really hook on to,
because that’s the Lord telling

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us that this is the New
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He’s now on the scene and he
says this isn’t something new,

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whereby salvation now is moved
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You you’re basically done,
you’ve got nothing anymore.

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You’re you’re no longer involved
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Look, salvation is.
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So mankind salvation, whether
Jew or Gentile, is wrapped up in

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the salvation of the Jews.
And that’s what we hope to

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follow through today and and
tomorrow morning.

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See.
How that is going to take place?

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Now Christ linked the hope that
we have with the hope of Israel,

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and the apostle Paul does the
same thing for us in Hebrews

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Chapter 11, describing the
faithful who had died in verse

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13.
He said these all died in faith,

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not having received the
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As we already read from
Stephen’s great speech he gave

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in Acts Chapter 7, they died in
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Abraham had not so much as to
set his foot on, but he says,

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having been seen, these promises
are far off.

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They were persuaded of them and
they embraced and confessed that

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they were strangers and pilgrims
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Now he goes on to say in verse
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turn this up for a moment,
Hebrews Chapter 11 and the 40th

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verse.
He tells us there that these

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things are extended out, the
reason why they’ve died in faith

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and they haven’t received the
promises.

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And this is time is still going
on.

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The reason why we’re here today
and not already gathered

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together to to the Lord Jesus
Christ is given to us in Hebrews

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Chapter 11 in the 40th verse.
He tells us there that God has

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provided some better thing for
us, that they without us should

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not be made perfect.
So the reason this has happened

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is for you and I and for all
those generations that have

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existed since these faithful
people walked upon the face of

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the earth, so that we also would
have the opportunity to come to

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a knowledge of the truth, to
grab onto that, to accept that,

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and to live our lives in
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We have the possibility to do
that, and it’s up to you and I

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individually to make that
choice.

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But that is the grace of God,
and it’s tied into his purpose

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to fill the earth with the
knowledge of the glory of the

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Lord as the waters cover the
sea.

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That’s the whole idea, the the,
the knowledge of his glory.

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We think Moses says, well, you
know, God, show me your glory,

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00:25:10,400 –> 00:25:13,400
show me your ways that I may
know you back in Exodus 33.

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And God turns around in chapter
34, and he says, all right, I’ll

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00:25:16,000 –> 00:25:18,360
show you my glory, I’ll show you
my ways.

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And he tells him his character.
So what God’s looking for

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00:25:23,160 –> 00:25:26,840
Habakkuk 214 is to fill the
earth with the knowledge, the

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00:25:26,840 –> 00:25:28,680
yadah, which is what the word
means.

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00:25:28,680 –> 00:25:32,360
The knowledge by experience.
Not just head knowledge, but an

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00:25:32,360 –> 00:25:34,600
understanding that comes from
living a life.

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The knowledge of experience of
the.

446
00:25:37,720 –> 00:25:42,680
Characteristics The glory of God
as the waters cover the sea, and

447
00:25:42,680 –> 00:25:45,640
that’s our.
Opportunity today is to develop

448
00:25:45,640 –> 00:25:49,160
that in ourselves, in our
children, in our families and in

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00:25:49,160 –> 00:25:51,520
our colleges.
We have an opportunity to do

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00:25:51,520 –> 00:25:53,560
that.
It’s running out the night as

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00:25:53,560 –> 00:25:56,600
far as spend the day is at hand,
but right now we have that

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00:25:56,600 –> 00:25:57,680
opportunity.
To do that.

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And we want to seize upon these
things.

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So we have in Acts chapter One
the same ideas brought forward

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to us.
The disciples now are looking

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forward to the return of the
Lord Jesus Christ.

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In Acts chapter one and verse
six they asked him when they’re

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gathered together, just prior to
them going out to Bethany or to

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the man of olives to be taken
Lord Jesus Christ to be taken to

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heaven.
And he says in verse 6, where

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therefore they would come
together.

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00:26:23,040 –> 00:26:27,640
They asked him, saying, Lord,
wilt thou at this time restore

463
00:26:27,640 –> 00:26:29,320
the Kingdom to Israel?
Are you?

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Going to do it now.
So they were right in their

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00:26:32,600 –> 00:26:34,760
understanding, but wrong in
their application.

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Of the time period.
And he said to them, you know,

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it’s not for you to know the
times and the seasons which the

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00:26:40,320 –> 00:26:42,240
Father hath put in his own
power.

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And quite often we stop there.
Well, it’s not for us to know

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00:26:44,960 –> 00:26:47,360
times and seasons.
Therefore, let’s not concern

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00:26:47,360 –> 00:26:49,760
ourselves with that kind of
thing, except we missed the next

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00:26:49,760 –> 00:26:54,240
little word.
But but you shall receive power.

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00:26:54,240 –> 00:26:58,080
Power to do what?
Well, power to understand the

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00:26:58,080 –> 00:26:59,560
times and seasons.
Part of it.

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00:27:00,320 –> 00:27:02,440
And after that the Holy Spirit
has come upon you, because of

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course it would be the Apostle
Paul by inspiration, who wrote

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00:27:05,800 –> 00:27:08,600
Second Thessalonians 2 and told
us that day will not come except

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to come, the falling away 1st
and gives us the time and the

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00:27:11,320 –> 00:27:13,520
season.
It’s the Apostle John, under

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00:27:13,520 –> 00:27:16,680
inspiration, who writes the book
of our records.

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The book, I guess you could say,
of Revelation, where the Lord

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00:27:18,920 –> 00:27:22,920
Jesus Christ sent and signified
it by his Angel to his servant

483
00:27:22,920 –> 00:27:27,080
John.
To show him and all of us things

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00:27:27,080 –> 00:27:31,040
shortly to come to pass,
culminating with the return of

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Christ.
So we do have guidelines, the

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00:27:33,600 –> 00:27:36,160
time and the seasons.
Now, we don’t know the day and

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00:27:36,160 –> 00:27:39,120
the hour, and that’s
orchestrated that way on

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00:27:39,120 –> 00:27:42,000
purpose, but we do know the
times and the seasons.

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00:27:42,000 –> 00:27:45,960
We’ve been given an idea and of
course we know the very end of

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00:27:45,960 –> 00:27:47,400
that.
We had a Bible.

491
00:27:47,400 –> 00:27:51,080
Seminar a few years ago in
Brantford in our workplace and

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00:27:51,080 –> 00:27:54,920
there was about 10 or actually
10 or 20.

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00:27:54,920 –> 00:27:57,600
I think it was this time.
Individuals gathered together

494
00:27:57,600 –> 00:27:59,880
and we went through the seminar
and it was a little bit

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00:27:59,880 –> 00:28:01,600
different because they invited
us to do it.

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00:28:01,760 –> 00:28:05,120
So we were at work and I had a
brochure we were going to print.

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00:28:05,120 –> 00:28:08,320
I’m a printer, so working in a
printing company, one of the

498
00:28:08,320 –> 00:28:10,720
colleagues in Detroit came to us
and said we’d like you to print

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00:28:10,720 –> 00:28:13,320
these brochures.
So we said sure we can print the

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00:28:13,320 –> 00:28:15,840
brochures for you and Bible
seminars.

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00:28:16,320 –> 00:28:19,600
We’ve done a full color version
of the one that Brother Randy

502
00:28:19,600 –> 00:28:23,200
and Brother Dave had done.
And so they asked for that one

503
00:28:23,200 –> 00:28:25,400
and I just said, well, send me
the information who you want and

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00:28:25,400 –> 00:28:27,480
whatever else.
We’ll stick them on the Backpage

505
00:28:27,720 –> 00:28:29,720
and the dates and the times, and
we’ll print your seminar

506
00:28:29,720 –> 00:28:33,520
brochure and away we’ll go.
And when you’re in printing,

507
00:28:33,520 –> 00:28:35,320
they like.
To have a sample, you know the

508
00:28:35,320 –> 00:28:38,040
guy running the press wants to
know, well, how much blue should

509
00:28:38,080 –> 00:28:40,440
I put on this page?
How high do I turn up my colors

510
00:28:40,840 –> 00:28:43,360
so you always throw in a sample
so they can match it to a

511
00:28:43,360 –> 00:28:45,840
previously printed job so that
everybody doesn’t sort?

512
00:28:45,840 –> 00:28:48,360
Of turn blue or green or
whatever it is when they’re

513
00:28:48,360 –> 00:28:50,840
printing it.
So I just, not even thinking,

514
00:28:50,840 –> 00:28:53,160
grabbed a sample, threw it in
the bag and there’s me on the

515
00:28:53,160 –> 00:28:56,160
backside of it doing the seminar
in London with my father-in-law.

516
00:28:56,720 –> 00:28:59,960
And so this went through the
shop and basically it got back

517
00:28:59,960 –> 00:29:02,880
to the owner’s.
Kids that, you know, we’ve done

518
00:29:02,880 –> 00:29:04,880
this Bible seminar.
We had a few conversations

519
00:29:04,880 –> 00:29:08,200
before and so they came to us
and said, you know, we’d really

520
00:29:08,200 –> 00:29:10,720
like to do this Bible seminar
for us at work.

521
00:29:11,280 –> 00:29:13,520
And so we’re kind of like.
Oh, all right.

522
00:29:13,960 –> 00:29:17,920
So we got together and we did
the Bible seminar for them and

523
00:29:17,920 –> 00:29:19,440
of course them inviting us to do
it.

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00:29:19,440 –> 00:29:21,440
You can’t really well tell them,
well, this, you know, we’re not

525
00:29:21,440 –> 00:29:23,400
going to allow you to ask any
questions.

526
00:29:24,040 –> 00:29:26,800
I mean, they invited us, right?
So we can’t write the rules.

527
00:29:27,240 –> 00:29:30,960
So the six week seminar took ten
weeks to do and we got to the

528
00:29:30,960 –> 00:29:32,840
end of it and we said, well,
what would you like to do next?

529
00:29:33,160 –> 00:29:35,480
We’ve got a Genesis seminar,
There’s a Bible prophecy

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00:29:35,480 –> 00:29:36,840
seminar.
There’s a Luke seminar.

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00:29:36,840 –> 00:29:41,240
What would you like to do?
And they said, well, you have

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00:29:41,240 –> 00:29:46,800
that 7000 year plan chart thing.
Of, you know, it was one of the

533
00:29:46,800 –> 00:29:48,560
overheads.
So we went through this big raft

534
00:29:48,560 –> 00:29:50,360
of overheads.
This is before the days of

535
00:29:50,360 –> 00:29:52,960
computer clicking and whatever
you had to go through this.

536
00:29:52,960 –> 00:29:56,080
And I pulled it out, put it on
the screen, and the one

537
00:29:56,080 –> 00:29:59,440
individual sitting there says,
you know, looking at that, we

538
00:29:59,440 –> 00:30:02,800
really don’t have time to do the
National Geographic.

539
00:30:02,840 –> 00:30:06,320
Tour of the Bible.
We should be getting baptized

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00:30:06,560 –> 00:30:08,880
because looks like Christ coming
pretty soon.

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00:30:09,240 –> 00:30:14,280
And we got to get on with this.
So we said OK, and we began

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00:30:14,280 –> 00:30:16,560
baptism classes.
And incidentally, out of that

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00:30:16,560 –> 00:30:19,120
group, I believe there’s 11 now
that are baptized.

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00:30:19,640 –> 00:30:24,400
And so that’s people outside in
the world who basically came to

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00:30:24,400 –> 00:30:27,160
the classes.
You lay out the facts of this is

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00:30:27,160 –> 00:30:29,600
what God has said, this is the
patterns laid down.

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00:30:30,160 –> 00:30:33,880
And they look at it and they
say, oh, the Lord Jesus Christ

548
00:30:33,880 –> 00:30:38,000
is just about here.
We live in the time and the

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00:30:38,000 –> 00:30:40,200
season.
And brothers, sisters and young

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00:30:40,200 –> 00:30:43,480
people, let’s not lose sight of
that.

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00:30:43,920 –> 00:30:46,240
We can become sometimes a little
complacent.

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00:30:46,680 –> 00:30:49,680
We can become a little wrapped
up in our lives around us and we

553
00:30:49,680 –> 00:30:53,920
can lose the clarity of sight
and vision that perhaps those

554
00:30:53,920 –> 00:30:56,120
who come in from the outside.
Look at us sometimes, think what

555
00:30:56,120 –> 00:30:58,000
is with these people?
You know, they know all this

556
00:30:58,000 –> 00:30:59,160
stuff.
Why are they doing this, That

557
00:30:59,160 –> 00:31:01,680
and the other.
Let’s not lose a hold of that

558
00:31:01,680 –> 00:31:04,720
clearness of vision.
We’d like the disciples and live

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00:31:04,720 –> 00:31:08,760
in expectation because we do
know that we live in the day and

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00:31:08,760 –> 00:31:11,400
the hour.
So they went around and they

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00:31:11,400 –> 00:31:14,800
preached.
Understanding these things, they

562
00:31:14,800 –> 00:31:17,400
persuaded the things concerning
the.

563
00:31:17,440 –> 00:31:21,640
Kingdom of God they were looking
for and teaching about the

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00:31:21,640 –> 00:31:23,720
restoration that they’d asked
Christ about.

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00:31:24,200 –> 00:31:27,440
And so it is that the Apostle
Paul states his his attitude

566
00:31:27,440 –> 00:31:30,560
towards Israel.
In this he says I am great

567
00:31:30,560 –> 00:31:34,000
heaviness and continual sorrow
and heart, for I could wish that

568
00:31:34,000 –> 00:31:37,600
myself were accursed from Christ
for my brethren and kinsmen

569
00:31:37,600 –> 00:31:40,400
according to the flesh, who are
Israelites.

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00:31:41,040 –> 00:31:44,840
He says I could wish myself
written out of the hope because

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00:31:44,840 –> 00:31:48,040
of the Israelites, the Jews.
That was his feeling towards

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00:31:48,040 –> 00:31:52,640
them, because he recognized and
believed wholeheartedly in those

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00:31:52,640 –> 00:31:57,760
promises to Abraham.
And so it is in Acts chapter 26

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00:31:57,760 –> 00:32:00,640
and verse 6.
When he’s called before the

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00:32:00,640 –> 00:32:04,280
different authorities before
Agrippa, he says, Now I stand

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00:32:04,280 –> 00:32:07,080
and I’m judged for the hope of
the promise made of God to our

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00:32:07,080 –> 00:32:11,840
fathers, unto which promise the
12 tribes instantly serving God

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00:32:11,840 –> 00:32:15,640
day and night, hope to come, for
which hope’s sake, King Agrippa,

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00:32:15,640 –> 00:32:19,240
I am accused of these Jews that
he loved and wanted to save.

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00:32:19,880 –> 00:32:24,080
And so there he was basically
saying that that’s why I’m on

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00:32:24,080 –> 00:32:26,600
trial here.
He’s not on trial because he

582
00:32:26,600 –> 00:32:30,000
didn’t believe in the Trinity.
He’s not on trial because he had

583
00:32:30,000 –> 00:32:31,280
a different view on the
atonement.

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00:32:31,920 –> 00:32:35,440
He’s not on trial because he had
ideas on the devil.

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00:32:35,440 –> 00:32:37,640
He’s on trial because he
believes in the hope of Israel.

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00:32:38,160 –> 00:32:41,160
That was the nod.
That was the core of the

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00:32:41,160 –> 00:32:44,440
doctrine that was basically held
at this point in time.

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00:32:44,760 –> 00:32:47,960
And he goes on to say in Acts
chapter 28 in verse 20.

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00:32:48,480 –> 00:32:52,400
For this cause, therefore have I
called for you to see you, to

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00:32:52,400 –> 00:32:56,800
speak with you, because for the
hope of Israel, he says, I am

591
00:32:56,800 –> 00:33:00,120
bound with this chain.
And of course we know this is

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00:33:00,120 –> 00:33:03,640
the gospel that was spoken to
them, that they went out and

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00:33:03,640 –> 00:33:06,240
preached to others and is
recorded in the letters that

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00:33:06,240 –> 00:33:09,400
they wrote when we come to
Galatians Chapter 3.

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00:33:09,680 –> 00:33:12,960
In his letter to the Galatians,
the Apostle Paul draws the

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00:33:12,960 –> 00:33:17,200
connection between the Lord
Jesus Christ and Abraham and how

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00:33:17,200 –> 00:33:19,760
that that hope is 1 and the same
thing.

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00:33:20,240 –> 00:33:23,480
He tells us that we are all the
children of God by faith in

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00:33:23,480 –> 00:33:26,360
Christ Jesus.
That’s the qualifier.

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00:33:26,720 –> 00:33:30,360
And as many of you as have been
baptized into Christ, have put

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00:33:30,360 –> 00:33:32,640
on Christ.
It doesn’t matter where we come

602
00:33:32,640 –> 00:33:37,080
from, Jew or Greek bond or free,
male or female, we’re all one in

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00:33:37,080 –> 00:33:40,920
Christ Jesus.
And if you be Christ’s, then are

604
00:33:40,920 –> 00:33:45,000
you Abraham’s seed and?
Heirs according to those

605
00:33:45,000 –> 00:33:48,360
promises.
And so it was that based on an

606
00:33:48,360 –> 00:33:51,160
understanding of those passages
that we’ve just kind of

607
00:33:51,160 –> 00:33:53,920
highlighted and a wealth more
of.

608
00:33:53,920 –> 00:33:56,920
Them than when the
Christadelphian movement began

609
00:33:57,200 –> 00:34:00,160
back with our brother Thomas the
first book of note.

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00:34:00,520 –> 00:34:02,080
Not the first book.
There were other things were

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00:34:02,080 –> 00:34:04,640
written, but the first real
thing where everything was

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00:34:04,640 –> 00:34:10,280
pulled together and tied in.
He entitled it Alpas Israel, The

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00:34:10,280 –> 00:34:15,600
Hope of Israel, An exposition of
the Kingdom of God with

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00:34:15,600 –> 00:34:19,360
reference to the time of the end
and the age to come.

615
00:34:19,600 –> 00:34:22,239
That’s where we as a community
began.

616
00:34:22,560 –> 00:34:25,920
That was the seeds of
development that has resulted in

617
00:34:25,920 –> 00:34:29,320
the community that’s here today,
18148.

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00:34:30,520 –> 00:34:35,040
Now Brother Thomas had this to
say in Alphas Israel, he says

619
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Now.
Who can be so dim a vision as

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00:34:37,880 –> 00:34:41,040
not to perceive that the subject
matter of the hope of Israel?

621
00:34:41,080 –> 00:34:44,360
Is the Kingdom of God.
They’re one and the same thing.

622
00:34:44,360 –> 00:34:48,440
You can’t separate them and
divide them away to observe that

623
00:34:48,440 –> 00:34:51,679
in giving this thought of
national hope, his thoughts of

624
00:34:51,679 –> 00:34:55,400
national hope, the apostles
persuasion turned upon things

625
00:34:56,199 –> 00:35:00,000
upon things concerning Jesus.
The Kingdom of God and Jesus

626
00:35:00,000 –> 00:35:03,760
were the subjects of Paul’s
testimony when he preached the

627
00:35:03,760 –> 00:35:06,840
hope of Israel, or the hope of
the promise made unto the

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00:35:06,840 –> 00:35:08,920
fathers of God made unto the
fathers.

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So he links the two things
together.

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00:35:11,560 –> 00:35:12,880
They’re one and the same, he
says.

631
00:35:12,880 –> 00:35:16,200
You can’t divide them, you can’t
separate them.

632
00:35:16,520 –> 00:35:18,360
That’s what it’s all about.
Now.

633
00:35:18,400 –> 00:35:21,600
Brother Roberts continuing this
idea and christened him astray.

634
00:35:21,720 –> 00:35:23,960
He writes 4 lectures on it.
Four.

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00:35:24,240 –> 00:35:26,600
That’s a significant amount of
numbers in that book.

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00:35:27,320 –> 00:35:30,000
And he says, on no subject will
Christendom have found to be

637
00:35:30,000 –> 00:35:33,080
gone more astray than the
subject of the Kingdom of God, a

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00:35:33,080 –> 00:35:36,320
subject which, without
exaggeration, may be said to

639
00:35:36,320 –> 00:35:40,920
constitute the very backbone of
the divine purpose of the earth

640
00:35:40,960 –> 00:35:44,000
and its inhabitants.
So that’s the whole idea, he

641
00:35:44,000 –> 00:35:46,680
says.
It’s the core and the backbone

642
00:35:46,720 –> 00:35:48,640
into it.
Everything else.

643
00:35:48,880 –> 00:35:54,520
Ties in all other aspects are
hooked into this hope of Israel.

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00:35:55,040 –> 00:36:00,240
And he goes on to say that the
truth as it is in Christ Jesus,

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00:36:00,840 –> 00:36:04,680
and therefore tied to Abraham,
and this hope of Israel, is

646
00:36:04,680 –> 00:36:07,320
something that unfortunately the
world around us doesn’t

647
00:36:07,320 –> 00:36:10,080
understand.
The ministers in the clergy of

648
00:36:10,080 –> 00:36:13,520
the present day believe that
they preach the gospel in

649
00:36:13,520 –> 00:36:15,640
setting before people the death
of Christ.

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00:36:16,160 –> 00:36:19,320
Well, he says, the death of
Christ in its sacrificial import

651
00:36:19,320 –> 00:36:23,600
doubtless becomes an element of
the Apostolic testimony of the

652
00:36:23,600 –> 00:36:26,160
gospel.
But in considering whether it

653
00:36:26,160 –> 00:36:29,600
was the whole gospel of the 1st
century preaching, we must

654
00:36:29,600 –> 00:36:32,520
remember that Christ and his
disciples preached the gospel

655
00:36:33,320 –> 00:36:36,360
three years before the
crucifixion.

656
00:36:36,360 –> 00:36:39,600
Now that’s an interesting point,
isn’t it?

657
00:36:39,600 –> 00:36:41,120
It’s an interesting point.
Today.

658
00:36:41,960 –> 00:36:45,520
Because as a community, we have
to be careful that we don’t

659
00:36:45,520 –> 00:36:48,360
become engrossed in
controversies that go on.

660
00:36:48,920 –> 00:36:50,400
And we have them from time to
time.

661
00:36:50,400 –> 00:36:52,440
I mean, you can just basically
set out a map to

662
00:36:52,440 –> 00:36:54,280
Christadelphians.
And there was this issue and

663
00:36:54,280 –> 00:36:55,800
that issue and this issue and
that issue.

664
00:36:55,800 –> 00:36:57,960
And we have these little battles
we get into.

665
00:36:57,960 –> 00:37:01,200
You’re not saying anything about
the rights and wrongs of the

666
00:37:01,200 –> 00:37:03,120
battles.
But the point is, while that’s

667
00:37:03,120 –> 00:37:07,360
all going on, we have to be very
careful that we don’t become

668
00:37:07,360 –> 00:37:12,400
like the clergy and the truth
becomes simply the sacrifice of

669
00:37:12,400 –> 00:37:14,520
the Lord Jesus Christ.
And that’s it.

670
00:37:15,400 –> 00:37:19,600
And depending on that specific
issue is the only thing that we

671
00:37:19,600 –> 00:37:21,960
look at.
Because for the Roberts here at

672
00:37:21,960 –> 00:37:25,680
the very beginning says that’s a
piece, that’s not the whole

673
00:37:25,680 –> 00:37:28,680
thing.
It’s necessary, but it’s not the

674
00:37:28,680 –> 00:37:32,320
core.
It’s an ends to a means to an

675
00:37:32,320 –> 00:37:34,800
ends.
Really, God manifestation, not

676
00:37:34,800 –> 00:37:37,760
human salvation, was the grand
purpose of the eternal spirit,

677
00:37:38,600 –> 00:37:42,600
filling the earth with people
who basically reflected that

678
00:37:42,600 –> 00:37:45,960
character in the way he has
pointed out through Abraham and

679
00:37:45,960 –> 00:37:50,000
those promises.
That’s the purpose it’s achieved

680
00:37:50,000 –> 00:37:52,240
through the sacrifice of the
Lord Jesus Christ.

681
00:37:52,520 –> 00:37:55,600
But that’s not the whole gospel.
And if we get to that point, but

682
00:37:55,600 –> 00:37:58,240
that’s all we talk about.
That’s all we think about.

683
00:37:58,840 –> 00:38:02,160
That’s all we argue about.
Then we may get to the point

684
00:38:02,160 –> 00:38:04,680
that we’re losing.
The hope of Israel.

685
00:38:05,240 –> 00:38:09,040
And we’re losing the gospel as
it was preached by the Lord

686
00:38:09,040 –> 00:38:13,080
Jesus Christ and his disciples,
as he points out three years

687
00:38:13,080 –> 00:38:14,920
before they were preaching the
Kingdom of God.

688
00:38:15,560 –> 00:38:18,760
And the things concerned, the
name of Jesus Christ came after

689
00:38:18,760 –> 00:38:20,520
that.
It’s through that that we

690
00:38:20,520 –> 00:38:25,000
achieved the 1st.
And so he says that as he goes

691
00:38:25,000 –> 00:38:28,720
on from this that when the Lord
Jesus Christ established.

692
00:38:28,960 –> 00:38:32,920
The things that he did and
opened the way to the Gentiles,

693
00:38:32,920 –> 00:38:37,960
he didn’t replace the gospel and
the way to achieve salvation, he

694
00:38:37,960 –> 00:38:39,440
says.
By opening the way for the

695
00:38:39,440 –> 00:38:43,320
admission of the Gentiles, he
did not destroy the Israelitis

696
00:38:43,320 –> 00:38:46,200
character of the hope.
The effect was just the other

697
00:38:46,200 –> 00:38:48,680
way.
Indeed, Gentiles converted the

698
00:38:48,680 –> 00:38:53,600
hope into instead of Gentiles.
Sorry converting the hope into

699
00:38:53,600 –> 00:38:56,600
gentilism by their reception of
it.

700
00:38:56,600 –> 00:39:01,680
The Hope converted them into
Jews and consequently,

701
00:39:01,680 –> 00:39:04,880
basically, he says, they were
conformed into the essential

702
00:39:04,880 –> 00:39:08,080
Israelitis character.
So that’s what the hope does.

703
00:39:08,080 –> 00:39:11,120
It takes us from all walks of
life, Doesn’t matter where we

704
00:39:11,120 –> 00:39:14,480
come from, doesn’t matter what
race we are, doesn’t matter what

705
00:39:14,480 –> 00:39:17,200
we’re male or female.
As he says in Galatians, whether

706
00:39:17,200 –> 00:39:20,040
we’re bond or freely or rich or
poor, what walk of life we’re

707
00:39:20,040 –> 00:39:24,640
from, what binds us all together
as a group is the fact that in

708
00:39:24,640 –> 00:39:28,160
Christ we participate in those
promises and consequently we

709
00:39:28,160 –> 00:39:32,520
become adopted Jews.
That’s who we are now.

710
00:39:32,520 –> 00:39:35,960
The world around us would just
shiver at such an idea that, you

711
00:39:35,960 –> 00:39:38,800
know, we as Christians have to
become Jews.

712
00:39:39,160 –> 00:39:43,760
But that’s the way the truth.
Of the matter is laid out now in

713
00:39:43,760 –> 00:39:46,720
Romans, he talks about the
future establishment.

714
00:39:46,720 –> 00:39:50,240
This is the Apostle Paul now,
the future salvation of Israel.

715
00:39:50,640 –> 00:39:53,160
And he says that while it’s
touching the gospel right now,

716
00:39:53,160 –> 00:39:54,800
he says they’re enemies for
your.

717
00:39:54,800 –> 00:39:57,480
Sakes.
But as touching the election,

718
00:39:57,960 –> 00:40:01,960
what God has chosen out, They
are beloved for the Father’s

719
00:40:01,960 –> 00:40:05,800
sakes, for the gifts and calling
of God are without repentance.

720
00:40:05,800 –> 00:40:07,400
Now we’ve got to make sure we
read that properly.

721
00:40:07,400 –> 00:40:09,520
For years I used to read that
Beloved, for the Father’s sake,

722
00:40:09,520 –> 00:40:13,400
let’s talk about God.
Well, it’s a plural possessive

723
00:40:13,400 –> 00:40:17,480
word, right?
It’s Father’s plural, which is

724
00:40:17,480 –> 00:40:20,960
the patriarchs.
They are beloved because of

725
00:40:20,960 –> 00:40:23,000
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s
Saints.

726
00:40:24,200 –> 00:40:27,600
So he says the gifts and calling
of God.

727
00:40:27,600 –> 00:40:30,160
Once God says something, it’s
without repentance.

728
00:40:30,360 –> 00:40:33,280
He’s not going to change the
promise that he made to Abraham.

729
00:40:33,600 –> 00:40:35,320
He’s not going to alter these
things.

730
00:40:35,320 –> 00:40:39,000
Those things stand.
And it’s based on those things

731
00:40:39,000 –> 00:40:45,200
that our community has had an
attitude historically towards

732
00:40:45,200 –> 00:40:48,400
the Jewish people.
This is a man named Michael

733
00:40:48,400 –> 00:40:51,040
Pragai.
And Michael Praggai was the

734
00:40:51,040 –> 00:40:55,640
secretary to Abbott Eben when
Abbott Eben was the foreign

735
00:40:55,640 –> 00:40:59,560
minister and he went to find out
about what Christians believe

736
00:40:59,560 –> 00:41:01,000
foreign minister.
He got to deal with other

737
00:41:01,000 –> 00:41:02,480
nations, many of which were
Christian.

738
00:41:02,680 –> 00:41:05,600
So he went to the Knesset
library to find out what do

739
00:41:05,600 –> 00:41:09,200
Christians believe about, you
know, the Jews and our relations

740
00:41:09,200 –> 00:41:10,800
with them.
And he picked up in the library

741
00:41:10,800 –> 00:41:13,160
Elvis, Israel.
And this is what he had to read,

742
00:41:13,160 –> 00:41:14,760
he says.
From the outset, the

743
00:41:14,760 –> 00:41:18,120
Christadelphians were ardent
supporters of the idea of the

744
00:41:18,120 –> 00:41:21,880
return of the Jews, the land of
Israel, which was essential to

745
00:41:21,880 –> 00:41:26,200
the fulfillment of the end time.
Long before the rise of Jewish

746
00:41:26,240 –> 00:41:30,360
Zionism as a political movement
at the end of the century, the

747
00:41:30,360 –> 00:41:33,720
Christadelphians offered
practical assistance to the Jews

748
00:41:34,000 –> 00:41:37,360
who looked to the Land of Israel
as a haven of refuge they

749
00:41:37,360 –> 00:41:40,280
supported.
Such pre Zionist groups as the

750
00:41:40,280 –> 00:41:43,440
Habitat Zion movement in Czarist
Russia.

751
00:41:44,200 –> 00:41:47,960
So this is a Gentile, sorry, a
Jew Speaking of the

752
00:41:47,960 –> 00:41:51,200
Christodelphians and saying
look, this group of people,

753
00:41:51,200 –> 00:41:55,360
based on their belief and their
understanding was friendly

754
00:41:55,360 –> 00:41:58,440
towards the Jews and assisted
them in going back to the land

755
00:41:58,440 –> 00:42:01,880
based on a faith and a belief in
an understanding.

756
00:42:03,440 –> 00:42:07,520
And that would form the way we
behaved when it came to the

757
00:42:07,520 –> 00:42:10,480
Jewish people during the Second
World War.

758
00:42:11,600 –> 00:42:15,280
When Hitler’s madness swept
across Europe, our brothers and

759
00:42:15,280 –> 00:42:17,640
sisters, as is evidence, as you
read through some of the

760
00:42:17,640 –> 00:42:22,080
magazines, as is evidence in
those things, we’re keenly aware

761
00:42:22,080 –> 00:42:22,880
of what was.
Going on.

762
00:42:22,880 –> 00:42:26,360
And we’re very concerned about
God’s people, Israel more

763
00:42:26,360 –> 00:42:29,040
concerned sometimes than some of
the Jews were themselves.

764
00:42:29,800 –> 00:42:32,800
And so it was that they tried to
do something about what?

765
00:42:32,800 –> 00:42:50,440
Was going on.
You ever heard the the phrase?

766
00:42:50,440 –> 00:42:53,480
The Sea of Nations.
The wicked are like a troubled

767
00:42:53,480 –> 00:42:54,960
sea casting.
Up the mire.

768
00:42:55,480 –> 00:42:57,480
This is Nazi Germany.
Just.

769
00:42:57,480 –> 00:43:00,440
Prior.
To the enactment of Hitler’s

770
00:43:00,440 –> 00:43:02,480
ideas.
And you can see that sea of

771
00:43:02,480 –> 00:43:08,000
people moving and fluffing as
this nation rose to power and

772
00:43:08,000 –> 00:43:12,200
would put into place a series of
actions that would drastically.

773
00:43:12,200 –> 00:43:15,240
Affect the people of Israel
before the Jews.

774
00:43:15,280 –> 00:43:18,440
Really at that point in time,
before Israel was was reformed

775
00:43:18,440 –> 00:43:28,680
as a as a nation.
In the courts and on the street,

776
00:43:28,880 –> 00:43:30,560
the Jews were constantly
threatened.

777
00:43:31,320 –> 00:43:35,080
On November the 9th, 1938,
Goebbels turned out the Brown

778
00:43:35,080 –> 00:43:39,200
Shirts for an orgy of burning
and looting Kristalnacht.

779
00:43:39,720 –> 00:43:43,520
The night of breaking glass,
every synagogue in Germany was

780
00:43:43,520 –> 00:43:47,440
attacked by the Nazis. 91 Jews
died.

781
00:43:48,160 –> 00:43:50,200
I stood there for probably half
an hour.

782
00:43:50,480 –> 00:43:54,960
There was not one attempt to put
out the fire in the synagogue.

783
00:43:55,760 –> 00:43:59,480
My father was not there.
He came back late that morning.

784
00:44:01,360 –> 00:44:05,160
He was in in bad shape.
We talked together.

785
00:44:05,360 –> 00:44:09,320
What’s going to happen now?
And one thing he did and he

786
00:44:09,320 –> 00:44:12,120
suggested, he says, we got to
get you out.

787
00:44:17,400 –> 00:44:20,400
So that was what was said by the
Jews.

788
00:44:20,400 –> 00:44:23,720
And you begin to see there’s the
picture of what was going on,

789
00:44:24,360 –> 00:44:28,280
was that Hitler was taking over
Europe, specifically Germany,

790
00:44:28,840 –> 00:44:33,240
and that his terrible policies
were spreading throughout the

791
00:44:33,240 –> 00:44:37,800
nations in Europe.
And there were Jews who realized

792
00:44:37,800 –> 00:44:41,440
that that young man his father
had said he’s no longer a young

793
00:44:41,440 –> 00:44:45,520
man, but the time he was.
He says we’ve got to get you out

794
00:44:45,520 –> 00:44:47,080
of Europe.
And they recognized what was

795
00:44:47,080 –> 00:44:51,160
coming was going to destroy much
of the nation of Israel.

796
00:44:51,840 –> 00:44:56,760
And now, as we consider this, we
see that there were those who

797
00:44:56,760 –> 00:45:01,360
did try to get their their.
Children out, some 20,000, were

798
00:45:01,360 –> 00:45:03,960
transported out of Europe under
a program called the

799
00:45:03,960 –> 00:45:07,480
Kindertransport.
Now this book here is a book by

800
00:45:07,480 –> 00:45:10,600
a woman named Vera Gissing.
It’s a book on this this whole

801
00:45:10,600 –> 00:45:13,440
issue of the Kindertransport.
She was a Holocaust survivor who

802
00:45:13,440 –> 00:45:17,720
had been who had escaped to
England through this process and

803
00:45:17,720 –> 00:45:21,200
in her book she makes reference
to this Mr. Overton, she says

804
00:45:21,200 –> 00:45:23,200
who was a practicing
Christadelphian.

805
00:45:23,560 –> 00:45:26,040
Always like that phrase,
practicing Christadelphian.

806
00:45:27,840 –> 00:45:32,520
And so we went to find what we
could of brother Alan Overton in

807
00:45:32,520 –> 00:45:36,120
their in our magazines and we
found in the Christadelphian

808
00:45:36,120 –> 00:45:38,600
magazine.
This is June of 1939.

809
00:45:38,600 –> 00:45:42,800
A little just a small little
article, a little bulletin where

810
00:45:42,800 –> 00:45:46,840
it says Jewish refugee children
hospitality wanted for.

811
00:45:46,840 –> 00:45:51,040
Short and longer periods wanted
anyone who can give motor car

812
00:45:51,040 –> 00:45:56,040
help in conveying children from
London to other parts respond to

813
00:45:56,040 –> 00:45:59,120
Allen Overton and it gives his
his address there near rugby.

814
00:45:59,440 –> 00:46:01,800
That is literally, by the way,
his address, which I find very

815
00:46:01,800 –> 00:46:07,000
amusing.
But in the same magazine, there

816
00:46:07,000 –> 00:46:10,200
was a article written by our
brother John Carter.

817
00:46:10,880 –> 00:46:13,960
And Brother Carter recognized
what was going on in Israel.

818
00:46:14,480 –> 00:46:17,360
And he says our interest in
Israel springs with our

819
00:46:17,360 –> 00:46:20,720
knowledge, from our knowledge of
God’s purpose with them, in

820
00:46:20,720 –> 00:46:23,120
fact.
For the time being, Gentile

821
00:46:23,120 –> 00:46:26,560
believers have taken their place
as branches which have been

822
00:46:26,560 –> 00:46:28,720
grafted into the Abrahamic olive
tree.

823
00:46:29,000 –> 00:46:32,800
But God’s gifts and calling are
not subject to change of mind.

824
00:46:33,200 –> 00:46:36,960
Israel is still the chosen
people, and he goes on to say,

825
00:46:36,960 –> 00:46:41,360
Since the past and future of
this people touches our face so

826
00:46:41,360 –> 00:46:44,680
closely, we are naturally
sympathetic to their needs.

827
00:46:44,920 –> 00:46:48,920
At the present time, but the
practical question is how can we

828
00:46:48,920 –> 00:46:51,880
help them?
How can we basically affect

829
00:46:53,600 –> 00:46:56,960
what’s going on?
My brother Overton had seen this

830
00:46:56,960 –> 00:47:01,280
poster, this young girl sitting
in a bus station with the long

831
00:47:01,320 –> 00:47:03,200
braided hair.
They used to call them Platts.

832
00:47:03,200 –> 00:47:06,000
In Britain we call them braids,
or, I don’t know, pigtails or

833
00:47:06,000 –> 00:47:10,520
whatever the name is.
But there she was and he looked

834
00:47:10,520 –> 00:47:13,040
at that and she looked just like
his daughter.

835
00:47:13,240 –> 00:47:15,680
His daughter was very similar
looking to this little girl.

836
00:47:16,040 –> 00:47:19,760
And so he was moved by these
things and and wanted to do

837
00:47:19,760 –> 00:47:21,480
something to help.
Now we have a little bit of a a

838
00:47:21,480 –> 00:47:25,840
radio footage from a a a radio
show that was played.

839
00:47:25,840 –> 00:47:27,840
It’s a little difficult to hear.
Maybe we can turn up a little

840
00:47:27,840 –> 00:47:29,080
bit.
Craig, this one’s a bit tough,

841
00:47:29,880 –> 00:47:34,240
but just listen through these
things and it’s a a story of

842
00:47:34,280 –> 00:47:37,680
Allen Overton’s grand niece
actually who worked for the BBC.

843
00:47:37,680 –> 00:47:40,000
She went back to find out about
what had happened and did a

844
00:47:40,000 –> 00:47:44,800
little bit of work.
And this is her story that she

845
00:47:44,800 –> 00:47:47,400
put together and she makes
reference to a man named Eric

846
00:47:47,400 –> 00:47:49,600
Muller who you’re going to see
on the first slide.

847
00:47:49,920 –> 00:47:52,600
And Eric was one of the children
who came through this whole

848
00:47:52,600 –> 00:47:55,160
program and actually became a
Christadelphian.

849
00:47:57,440 –> 00:48:00,480
After a long and tortuous
journey, Eric and hundreds of

850
00:48:00,480 –> 00:48:03,320
other refugees would end up at
Liverpool Street Station.

851
00:48:04,400 –> 00:48:07,000
My great uncle was often there
and remembered crowds of

852
00:48:07,040 –> 00:48:10,360
bewildered children, some as
young as two, wearing brand

853
00:48:10,360 –> 00:48:12,560
labels around their necks for
identification.

854
00:48:13,520 –> 00:48:15,760
If they couldn’t be picked up by
their foster family straight

855
00:48:15,760 –> 00:48:19,440
away, he’d drive them to their
new home or use his home in

856
00:48:19,440 –> 00:48:23,560
Rugby at the Transit house.
The car driver, George, would

857
00:48:23,760 –> 00:48:26,080
probably be driving, father
would be sitting in the back,

858
00:48:26,560 –> 00:48:28,680
and he’d have a couple of
children on one side, a couple

859
00:48:28,680 –> 00:48:31,320
of children fast asleep on the
other in the middle of the back

860
00:48:31,320 –> 00:48:34,120
of the car.
And then the light would go on.

861
00:48:34,120 –> 00:48:37,720
Within the light of the car,
you’d suddenly see these

862
00:48:37,760 –> 00:48:40,840
children who are all weary and
warm, you know, lying there,

863
00:48:41,560 –> 00:48:43,560
especially with my great uncle’s
eldest daughter.

864
00:48:44,280 –> 00:48:46,800
Often she’d be expected to give
up her bed in the middle of the

865
00:48:46,800 –> 00:48:49,240
night to make way for the newly
arrived children.

866
00:48:50,400 –> 00:48:53,200
Bruce, her younger brother, was
the same age as some of the

867
00:48:53,200 –> 00:48:56,440
refugees.
Lot of them were unwell because

868
00:48:56,440 –> 00:48:58,240
they just had a channel
crossing.

869
00:48:59,040 –> 00:49:02,880
They were in a emotional state
having just left their parents.

870
00:49:03,520 –> 00:49:11,280
And the one cry which he heard
which was muti, Muti which?

871
00:49:11,640 –> 00:49:15,800
Seemed to Pierce his heart
because it was the children

872
00:49:15,800 –> 00:49:18,960
leaving their parents in this
way and crying for their

873
00:49:18,960 –> 00:49:22,360
mothers, and he was emotionally
infected.

874
00:49:22,360 –> 00:49:25,960
He was a man that was affected
by emotions and it must have

875
00:49:25,960 –> 00:49:29,120
drained him.
It was much easier to find

876
00:49:29,120 –> 00:49:32,360
foster homes for girls, partly
because boys were perceived as

877
00:49:32,360 –> 00:49:36,200
more troublesome and expensive.
To meet that need, my great

878
00:49:36,200 –> 00:49:39,560
uncle decided to set up a hostel
for boys in Bilton Rd.

879
00:49:39,560 –> 00:49:42,440
Rugby.
Hannah Schnabel was a resident.

880
00:49:42,880 –> 00:49:46,520
It was a rather stark place in
the way.

881
00:49:46,520 –> 00:49:49,080
I mean, there wasn’t much in the
way of furnishings.

882
00:49:49,080 –> 00:49:52,600
There were from 9:00 to 11:00 or
12:00 boys.

883
00:49:52,600 –> 00:49:56,400
Numbers varied and life was
pretty hectic.

884
00:49:56,520 –> 00:50:00,120
We had bikes and we had a
garden, which we tended.

885
00:50:00,120 –> 00:50:03,040
We tried to grow our own food
and.

886
00:50:03,400 –> 00:50:04,920
What do you remember of my
great?

887
00:50:04,960 –> 00:50:09,800
Uncle, he was the boss, but
fortunately he had.

888
00:50:10,400 –> 00:50:13,720
We had lots of patience with us
because that he needed very

889
00:50:13,760 –> 00:50:18,440
badly and even better, he had a
tremendous sense of humour, so

890
00:50:18,560 –> 00:50:21,880
that when things became quite
unbearable, someone would crack

891
00:50:21,880 –> 00:50:23,720
a joke and everything would fall
apart.

892
00:50:23,720 –> 00:50:26,960
All his strict demeanour
disappeared and he just couldn’t

893
00:50:27,000 –> 00:50:32,480
help laughing.
That is Brother Eric there on

894
00:50:32,480 –> 00:50:35,640
the bottom.
And the interesting thing is

895
00:50:35,640 –> 00:50:41,440
that as he described there what
was going on, we realized that

896
00:50:41,920 –> 00:50:47,480
the children were a very young
age and they were children that

897
00:50:47,480 –> 00:50:49,800
basically were taken from their
parents, sent out.

898
00:50:49,800 –> 00:50:50,960
And as he said, you know there
was.

899
00:50:50,960 –> 00:50:52,960
This cry and he couldn’t figure
out at first what it was.

900
00:50:52,960 –> 00:50:55,320
Mooty.
Mooty, which is Mother, Mother,

901
00:50:55,320 –> 00:51:00,600
’cause these children were
anywhere from babies up to 1516

902
00:51:00,600 –> 00:51:04,480
year olds, little toddlers
crying out to their mothers who

903
00:51:04,480 –> 00:51:07,760
were hundreds of miles away and
probably whom they would never

904
00:51:07,760 –> 00:51:19,920
see again.
Here in Rugby, a small religious

905
00:51:19,920 –> 00:51:22,160
group called the
Christadelphians created a

906
00:51:22,160 –> 00:51:24,840
hostel for the Jewish boys
nobody else wanted.

907
00:51:25,520 –> 00:51:27,280
This is a film they took of the
boys.

908
00:51:27,560 –> 00:51:30,280
It’s never been seen on
television before, and it

909
00:51:30,280 –> 00:51:33,640
reveals that, orphaned and
uprooted as they were, the boys

910
00:51:33,640 –> 00:51:36,280
flourished here.
The Christadelphians looked

911
00:51:36,280 –> 00:51:38,600
after them well, and the
children themselves were

912
00:51:38,600 –> 00:51:41,840
determined to survive.
They learned English quickly and

913
00:51:41,840 –> 00:51:44,560
did well at school.
Their memories of this time are

914
00:51:44,560 –> 00:51:48,120
good.
It was a semi detached house and

915
00:51:49,320 –> 00:51:52,280
there were about 8:00 and 12:00
of us.

916
00:51:52,600 –> 00:51:55,280
The number varied, all very
simple.

917
00:51:55,920 –> 00:51:59,960
Our clothes were hanging on the
picture rails in the bedroom.

918
00:52:00,440 –> 00:52:03,960
There wasn’t much heating or
anything, but we were well

919
00:52:03,960 –> 00:52:07,120
nourished and we were sort of a
happy company.

920
00:52:07,120 –> 00:52:11,000
Lots of fun, lots of mischief.
In his search for families for

921
00:52:11,000 –> 00:52:14,320
the children still trapped in
Czechoslovakia, Nicholas Winton

922
00:52:14,320 –> 00:52:18,720
contacted the Christadelphians.
Their leader, Alan Overton, made

923
00:52:18,720 –> 00:52:21,080
speeches around the country,
trying to find homes for the

924
00:52:21,080 –> 00:52:24,080
children.
His son Bruce Overton, has found

925
00:52:24,080 –> 00:52:27,680
in his father’s papers a box of
undiscovered documents dating

926
00:52:27,680 –> 00:52:31,200
from the 30s, photographs of
children whose hopes were to be

927
00:52:31,200 –> 00:52:34,800
dashed with the outbreak of war,
and letters begging for help,

928
00:52:35,080 –> 00:52:37,920
which revealed the viciousness
of the Nazi persecution.

929
00:52:38,560 –> 00:52:40,440
My father is a Jew, so he must
write.

930
00:52:40,440 –> 00:52:42,120
I am a Jew.
On the window of his home each

931
00:52:42,120 –> 00:52:47,080
day where he’s trying to carry
out wireless repair work, he

932
00:52:47,080 –> 00:52:51,800
must add, also in his own
handwriting, Only pigs deal

933
00:52:51,800 –> 00:52:54,760
here.
He may be able to offer some

934
00:52:54,760 –> 00:52:59,840
suggestion which may yet enable
him to come to England and so

935
00:52:59,840 –> 00:53:04,440
escape a probable living death
in a German concentration camp.

936
00:53:05,040 –> 00:53:08,760
Of course, at the time they
hadn’t realised how serious were

937
00:53:08,760 –> 00:53:11,120
the concentration camps that
their lives were.

938
00:53:11,880 –> 00:53:16,480
They wouldn’t live very long in
any case in the concentration

939
00:53:16,480 –> 00:53:23,480
camps and the idea of Hitler’s
mark to destroy them really not

940
00:53:23,520 –> 00:53:25,560
to they.
They were told that they were

941
00:53:25,560 –> 00:53:27,960
going, they were going to labour
camps and so on.

942
00:53:27,960 –> 00:53:35,040
But we know the result.
We’ve got letters here relating

943
00:53:35,080 –> 00:53:40,360
to Nicholas, Yes, because he
spent night after night trying

944
00:53:40,360 –> 00:53:44,360
desperately to find families who
would take the children.

945
00:53:44,360 –> 00:53:47,720
I wonder whether these children
he couldn’t place.

946
00:53:47,840 –> 00:53:52,800
Look at these children’s faces.
This is Carl Singer, born in

947
00:53:52,800 –> 00:53:57,080
1923, and talks about his father
and mother.

948
00:53:59,080 –> 00:54:03,840
These are tragic faces.
The years must all have been

949
00:54:03,840 –> 00:54:09,560
sent out by Nicholas Went
Fathoms for the children.

950
00:54:09,920 –> 00:54:12,440
Look at this lovely child.
Look at the photograph

951
00:54:12,440 –> 00:54:14,520
underneath.
Underneath.

952
00:54:14,920 –> 00:54:16,480
It.
Oh look.

953
00:54:17,200 –> 00:54:21,680
And that gives you some idea.
There’s a baby, and many babies

954
00:54:21,680 –> 00:54:27,400
came, their parents let them go.
Why?

955
00:54:28,160 –> 00:54:30,400
Because they knew what was
happening.

956
00:54:31,400 –> 00:54:34,440
They knew that if life was to
continue, they must say goodbye.

957
00:54:34,440 –> 00:54:37,440
To them, it’s.
In this bag.

958
00:54:38,920 –> 00:54:42,560
Some of the labels that they
actually were wearing when they

959
00:54:42,560 –> 00:55:00,520
arrived in England and with the
names on. 518 6778 Walter

960
00:55:00,520 –> 00:55:19,040
Fieldelha, age 3.
You got to ask, brothers and

961
00:55:19,040 –> 00:55:25,360
sisters, when you see that if
that was us living in Germany at

962
00:55:25,360 –> 00:55:28,480
that time, could we have done
that?

963
00:55:29,400 –> 00:55:32,760
Could we have sent our little
ones, three years old and

964
00:55:32,760 –> 00:55:38,040
younger, put them on a train
through hostile territory to

965
00:55:38,040 –> 00:55:41,160
cross Europe, never to see them
again?

966
00:55:42,880 –> 00:55:46,120
Now the other question is, if
that type of thing happened

967
00:55:46,120 –> 00:55:51,200
today, how would we feel about
opening our homes up to these

968
00:55:51,200 –> 00:55:55,440
children?
How in tune are we with the hope

969
00:55:55,440 –> 00:55:58,560
of Israel?
Would that be something that we

970
00:55:58,560 –> 00:56:02,160
would be quick and ready to do,
or would that be something that

971
00:56:02,160 –> 00:56:04,680
was just not what we really
think about?

972
00:56:04,680 –> 00:56:08,600
We’re not really involved with
Israel or with the Jews, but

973
00:56:09,440 –> 00:56:11,640
that’s not really something to
do with us.

974
00:56:12,600 –> 00:56:17,040
Their actions were basically
based upon their understanding

975
00:56:17,040 –> 00:56:20,280
of the truth.
Where would we stand today?

976
00:56:21,200 –> 00:56:23,720
Many Christadelphian families at
that time.

977
00:56:23,720 –> 00:56:27,880
Participated in taking these
children and one of these

978
00:56:27,880 –> 00:56:32,920
families is depicted here.
You may know this individual

979
00:56:32,920 –> 00:56:34,640
here.
It’s brother Ray Butler lives in

980
00:56:34,640 –> 00:56:36,760
London ON he’s.
Travelled.

981
00:56:36,760 –> 00:56:40,960
Around several times and may be
familiar with him, but I know

982
00:56:40,960 –> 00:56:43,360
that you’re familiar with this
individual here in the Little

983
00:56:43,360 –> 00:56:46,880
Baby Buggy, because that’s
brother Paul Billington many

984
00:56:46,880 –> 00:56:50,560
years ago, and this is his
mother and there’s his

985
00:56:50,560 –> 00:56:52,480
grandparents.
But this little girl in the

986
00:56:52,480 –> 00:56:56,600
middle is a girl named Lucy.
Who was one of those children?

987
00:56:56,600 –> 00:56:59,800
And in the family photo album
this little kid was there and

988
00:56:59,800 –> 00:57:03,920
for many years nobody knew who
she was and why was she there?

989
00:57:04,280 –> 00:57:08,360
Until it became we became aware
that the the grandparents had

990
00:57:08,360 –> 00:57:11,800
taken one of these children in
during the war and had looked

991
00:57:11,800 –> 00:57:15,160
after them.
I’d like to share with you, just

992
00:57:15,160 –> 00:57:19,680
as we close off this session.
A A letter that was written by a

993
00:57:19,680 –> 00:57:23,000
couple.
It’s a couple named Marta and

994
00:57:23,000 –> 00:57:24,800
Ernst Ochner.
They were Jewish.

995
00:57:25,240 –> 00:57:29,520
They lived in the area of
Czechoslovakia in they were

996
00:57:29,720 –> 00:57:33,640
responsible for organizing the
Kindertransport in that country

997
00:57:33,640 –> 00:57:36,840
to try and get all the children
out and they sent their children

998
00:57:36,840 –> 00:57:38,360
off and the children ended up
staying.

999
00:57:38,360 –> 00:57:41,360
One of the children stayed with
Christadelphian, the other one

1000
00:57:41,360 –> 00:57:45,960
stayed with a another family.
But this is the letter that this

1001
00:57:46,160 –> 00:57:51,200
this individual wrote to brother
and sister who took these

1002
00:57:51,200 –> 00:57:55,120
children in.
As the father of your present

1003
00:57:55,120 –> 00:57:59,200
foster child, Hannah from
Pilsen, I beg to express to you

1004
00:57:59,200 –> 00:58:03,000
my deepest gratitude for your
generosity and kindness with

1005
00:58:03,000 –> 00:58:05,680
which you have received our
child.

1006
00:58:06,160 –> 00:58:09,320
I can assure you that my child
Hannah is all that I have.

1007
00:58:09,320 –> 00:58:13,480
She represents all my happiness
in life, and this, what is my

1008
00:58:13,480 –> 00:58:17,040
life, is now with you.
You as gentle people will

1009
00:58:17,040 –> 00:58:20,640
understand what it means to send
beloved children to the strange

1010
00:58:20,640 –> 00:58:23,680
world.
How much pain and tears are in

1011
00:58:23,680 –> 00:58:28,600
this you will imagine Under what
pressure such a step could be

1012
00:58:28,600 –> 00:58:32,200
resolved.
But I trust in the Lord that our

1013
00:58:32,200 –> 00:58:35,960
sacrifice will not be in vain,
because I know that good and

1014
00:58:35,960 –> 00:58:39,720
gentle people have taken care of
my child, and they will educate

1015
00:58:39,720 –> 00:58:43,280
and care for it in my stead.
Our Lord did not wish that

1016
00:58:43,280 –> 00:58:47,800
humanity should be disgraced.
He has provided angels which

1017
00:58:47,800 –> 00:58:51,200
will not leave them, and such
angels are you, Mr. and Mrs.

1018
00:58:51,200 –> 00:58:55,560
Warren.
And as long as we live, you may

1019
00:58:55,560 –> 00:58:58,960
be sure that our deepest
gratitude of our deepest

1020
00:58:58,960 –> 00:59:01,280
gratitude.
By taking care of my children,

1021
00:59:01,280 –> 00:59:05,440
you have proved that you are you
belong to a large and wise

1022
00:59:05,440 –> 00:59:08,280
nation, which will live forever
and always win.

1023
00:59:09,160 –> 00:59:13,080
We are the grateful parents of
Ruth and Hannah, and that was

1024
00:59:13,080 –> 00:59:16,920
written in 1939.
That, by the way, is a

1025
00:59:16,920 –> 00:59:21,640
photograph of the Warrens.
Now Ernst and Marta did not.

1026
00:59:21,640 –> 00:59:23,800
Live to see their.
Children again.

1027
00:59:24,600 –> 00:59:29,920
It was in October of 1944 that
both of them perished in

1028
00:59:30,880 –> 00:59:34,040
Auschwitz.
But note what he said there.

1029
00:59:34,560 –> 00:59:37,240
I trust that our labor would not
be in vain.

1030
00:59:38,360 –> 00:59:41,000
It’s interesting that in the
Christadelphian magazine in

1031
00:59:41,000 –> 00:59:47,600
1943, some five years later, we
find this We had the unique

1032
00:59:47,600 –> 00:59:50,200
pleasure of baptizing on
December the 20th.

1033
00:59:50,960 –> 00:59:54,160
A Jewish and Gentile candidate,
Miss.

1034
00:59:54,280 –> 00:59:59,200
Hannah Miriam Offner, 17, who
came from Czechoslovakia as a

1035
00:59:59,200 –> 01:00:02,640
refugee child some four years
ago and has been under the

1036
01:00:02,640 –> 01:00:06,280
loving care of Sister Waring and
has attended the Sunday School.

1037
01:00:06,920 –> 01:00:10,840
And so it was that some of these
children who came out went to

1038
01:00:10,840 –> 01:00:12,880
these families.
And the interesting thing is

1039
01:00:12,880 –> 01:00:15,040
that they participated in the
Bible readings.

1040
01:00:15,480 –> 01:00:17,480
And that was the key to this
whole thing.

1041
01:00:17,480 –> 01:00:21,040
Because as Christodelphians, we
don’t just read the New

1042
01:00:21,040 –> 01:00:24,000
Testament, we read the Old
Testament too.

1043
01:00:24,680 –> 01:00:28,360
And so these kids, as they went
there, they could stomach that

1044
01:00:28,360 –> 01:00:30,320
they were Jewish.
This was their Bible.

1045
01:00:30,560 –> 01:00:32,680
So 2 readings out of the Old
Testament.

1046
01:00:32,760 –> 01:00:34,840
They could put up with one
reading out of the New

1047
01:00:34,840 –> 01:00:37,640
Testament.
And that’s how they learned that

1048
01:00:37,640 –> 01:00:41,880
the hope of Israel is not
something divorced from true

1049
01:00:41,880 –> 01:00:44,600
Christianity.
But they recognized that there

1050
01:00:44,600 –> 01:00:47,720
was a connection in these
things, and there were many of

1051
01:00:47,720 –> 01:00:50,640
them who were baptized through
this way.

1052
01:00:51,760 –> 01:00:56,240
And so we have the words of the
Lord God himself, Genesis,

1053
01:00:56,240 –> 01:00:59,920
chapter 12, verses one to three.
But where he says that I will

1054
01:00:59,920 –> 01:01:03,600
bless them, that bless thee, and
I will curse him that curseth

1055
01:01:03,600 –> 01:01:06,200
thee, and in thee shall all
families of the earth be

1056
01:01:06,200 –> 01:01:08,360
blessed.
And so it is, brothers and

1057
01:01:08,360 –> 01:01:10,960
sisters, that we hope to spend
the rest of our time together

1058
01:01:10,960 –> 01:01:16,560
today, following through the
story now of how God, as laid

1059
01:01:16,560 –> 01:01:21,640
out in Ezekiel chapter 37, has
begun to resurrect those dry

1060
01:01:21,640 –> 01:01:26,240
bones, to bring them back to the
land, to breathe his spirit into

1061
01:01:26,240 –> 01:01:30,720
them once again, to resurrect
them in belief and as a nation

1062
01:01:31,320 –> 01:01:33,920
to be prepared for the Lord
Jesus Christ, who, when he

1063
01:01:33,920 –> 01:01:37,600
comes, will indeed be the
deliverer that comes out of Zion

1064
01:01:37,880 –> 01:01:39,960
and turns away ungodliness from
Jacob.

1065
01:01:53,760 –> 01:01:55,880
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1066
01:01:55,880 –> 01:01:58,480
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1067
01:01:58,480 –> 01:02:00,000
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1068
01:02:01,160 –> 01:02:03,200
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1069
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