269: Josh Luxmoore – Exhortation: Poetry

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Welcome to Good Chris Selfie and
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With the short intro beforehand
to kind of set the stage for the

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talk you’re about to listen to.
And now, let’s talk more about

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this week’s talk.
This week’s talk is an editation

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by brother Josh Luxmore, given
at the Packeranga Ecclesia in

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New Zealand.
In February of this year, the

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topic was poetry and this was
really thought provoking for me.

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I really benefited from the
multiple angles that Josh took

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on this topic.
I I actually usually would rule

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out a talk that has like a a
clear, like audience

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participation part, which this
talk has a couple, but I felt

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the thoughts kind of overcame
that I listened to this while I

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was running and yeah, still
thought it was worth worth

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sharing.
So thank you to the person who

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sent this in as a as a
suggestion.

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And here is Poetry by Josh
Luxmore.

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Good morning, everybody.
I had more energy than any of

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you just then, but that’s fine.
Keep there, right.

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Who in this room has played
football before for a team?

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I mean has George has Ron has
lots of people with excellent.

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I’m going to pick on George.
George do you watch any football

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as well you do what do you want
what what games do you watch

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quite a few games.
OK Do you think you appreciate

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football more because you’ve
played it.

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Excellent answer.
Correct answer.

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Thank you very much.
Who has written a song before?

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Love it, Jonathan.
Excellent.

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OK.
Do you think you appreciate

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music more because you’ve
written it?

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Yeah.
Also a correct answer.

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Yes, it is.
If you know how a car works.

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I know Bean does.
You probably appreciate the

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internal combustion engine a bit
more than others if you like

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window joinery.
Then you probably appreciate the

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the curves and the edges and the
and the drainage of window

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journey.
If you’re into insurance and

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pizza ovens, you probably
appreciate when you go to

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someone’s house and they’ve got
a really good hot pizza oven and

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they can also talk insurance.
If you’re into windsurfing, you

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can probably appreciate other
people that into into

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windsurfing can talk to them for
hours about it, OK?

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I want you to all put your hands
up Now, everyone, one hand in

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the ear knot.
Doesn’t have to be real high,

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just a little bit of a hand.
All right, keep your hands up.

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If you have written a poem in
the last six months, keep your

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hands up.
Actually, no, let’s do it the

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other way around.
Keep your hand up if you haven’t

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written a poem in the last six
months.

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OK, there we go.
We’re back up.

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Keep your hands up if you
haven’t written a poem in the

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last two years.
But you people may be thinking,

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keep your hand up.
If you haven’t written a poem

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for maybe 10 years or more, OK,
excellent.

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You can all put your hands down
now.

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Participation A poem.
It’s a literary form of

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creativity of an it’s an
illusionary type of text that

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brings out emotion.
Where?

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You don’t tell someone
something.

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You try and make someone feel
something.

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It can be rhythm in poetry.
It can be cadence, it can be

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color.
It can be imagery.

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It can be things that are
pleasing, things that are

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jarring, things that are joyful
or confronting.

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It can be progression in poetry
or regression.

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It can be a development of an
idea.

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Or being hung up on a thought.
It can be nuanced ideas or

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unmistakable things.
Why are we talking about poetry?

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God has inspired the writers of
his word to poetry.

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Depending on how you define
poetry exactly.

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Some people believe there’s 15%
of the Bible is poetry.

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Some people.
Say that, by the way, is 33%

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poetry from these obvious ones
in the Bible that we know from

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people like Job, from the
Psalms, from all those that

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wrote the Psalms, Proverbs, Song
of Solomon’s.

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We have the Prophets.
They wrote with allegory and

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simile.
We had Moses and Miriam.

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We had Deborah and Barrett,
Jehoshaphat, Habakkuk, the

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Levites.
Many people wrote in poetic

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form.
Who wrote this poem?

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Any answers with a donkey’s
jawbone?

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I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone, I have

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killed 1000 men, Samson.
Excellent.

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Very good enough.
You knew that.

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So it’s all throughout the Bible
and thinking to my first few

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questions about.
Things that we’ve done and

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things that we appreciate.
Keep that in mind as we continue

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through this.
Some uses of poetry that both

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modern day poets and perhaps the
poets of the Bible.

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Why did they use poetry?
Can you all recall a moment in

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your life when you were
speechless?

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There’s been some pretty big
events in the last, say, three

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years, but for many of us.
Or be There’s been perhaps even

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bigger events.
Perhaps it’s something so

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wonderful or so heartbreaking, a
moment of being incomplete, or

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or a moment of feeling so small,
being stunned into silence or

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shaken into paralysis with fear,
those times that you were

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speechless.
Poetry, as someone defines it,

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is the expression of the facts
that there are great things that

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are inexpressible.
So to summarize that poetry

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helps you to express the
inexpressible.

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There are things that HIPS
allows unspeakable words to

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flow.
There’s a reason that maybe

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poetry helps us to share these
things that we could not put

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into words.
Like the fact that there’s no

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one-on-one.
Dialogue with poetry, often

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something you don’t say out loud
in a moment to someone.

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Something you carefully write
down without any instant

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reaction from someone.
No forthcoming reply.

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A poem can be written with one
person in mind that may never

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read it, or it could address one
huge population, but in that

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there is some power.
That there is nobody there to

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answer immediately.
Let’s look at some poetry from

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some pretty pictures from God’s
word.

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Let’s let’s You don’t need to
turn this up.

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We’ll hope you’re turning up
some soon.

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Let’s look at Isaiah, spelled
slightly strangely.

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Chapter 5 from verse 26.
I’m going to read from here

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because it’s tiny.
He lifts up a banner.

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Or the distant nations.
He whistles for those at the

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ends of the earth.
Here they come swiftly and

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speedily.
Not one of them grows tired or

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stumbles.
Not one slumbers or sleeps.

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Not a belt is loosened at the
waist.

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Not a sand or strap is broken.
Their arrows are sharp, All

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their bows are strung.
Their horses hooves seem like

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Flint, their chariot wheels like
a whirlwind.

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Their roar is like bet of a
lion.

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They roar like Young Lions.
They growl as they seize their

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prey and carry it off with no
one to rescue.

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This is some poetry,
essentially, by Isaiah.

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It’s a poem about how the Lord
will use the outside nations to

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punish his people for their
wickedness.

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And, he explains, like an animal
trainer, the Lord will whistle.

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And these powerful armies of the
nations come rushing to execute

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their judgment or His judgment
on Israel.

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Their army that comes is
running, is running.

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And they are not a sloppy army.
They are a well oiled machine

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with few with very few
weaknesses.

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Not a single soldier is tired or
stumbling or falling asleep on

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the way.
They’re determined.

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Their belts are clenched tight.
Meaning their robes are secured

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for running.
So this bit of poetry here as I

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could have passed on it a little
bit more efficiently.

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He could have said Israel is an
army coming and there’s nothing

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you can do about it.
The end?

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You could have Bullet pointed
that out really briefly and not

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given that much, but I’ve only
explained a few verses there.

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And probably triple the amount
of words of this poem.

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And I haven’t done it justice.
So the interesting thing about

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poems is you could probably
reduce them down to hits just a

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few words, but also you could
take 30 times the words to

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actually explain all of the
meaning behind a poem such as

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this.
But either way, poetry has a way

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of making a slow down.
This is not something we can

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rush over these words and we are
in an age where we are trying to

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read and digest and move on
quickly with information.

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We don’t read a poem anymore and
take time.

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That’s not the normal day-to-day
life.

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We are moving on quickly with
information.

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Here’s an example.
Got a message here from King

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David.
As I say, surely the darkness

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will hide me and the lights
become nights around me.

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Even the darkness will not be
dark to you.

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The night will shine like the
day or darkness because there’s

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light to you, I might reply.
OK, thanks for that.

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All good.
That’s the sort of approach we

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take sometimes with information
include read, including reading.

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The Bible and poetry deserves
more time than that.

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It deserves us to really sit on
it and understand it and

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understand the the contrast here
between darkness and night and

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light and day, and how and how
God interacts with those things.

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It’s not something that we can
quickly summarize with it with a

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short moment of thought.
There’s a proverb as well, which

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is Oh no, that is the proverb at
the bottom.

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This is a comment that I’ve read
online which helps us to

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understand that this poetry
isn’t necessarily easy, but it

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is something that we need to
take the time because it is the

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search that God requires, not
answers.

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Our goals should not to be
conformity and opinion, but

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communion with God.
Sometimes we think that it’s.

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The answers are the most
important thing, but simply

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searching is what God wants us
to do.

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And perhaps sometimes the way
that this words that we’ve had

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in front of us is written is so
that we spend time with God

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reflecting on the poetry,
reflecting on all of the

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individual words.
We’re going to turn up two

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poems.
Let’s turn up John and chapter

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15.
John, Chapter 15.

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We’re going to read the 1st 8
verses.

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I am the true vine and my father
is the gardener.

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He cuts off every branch in me
that bears no fruit, while every

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branch that does bear fruit he
prunes so that it will be even

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more fruitful.
You are already clean because of

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the words I have spoken to you.
Remain in me, and I will remain

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in you.
No branch can bear fruit by

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itself.
It must remain in the vine.

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Neither can you bear fruit
unless you remain in me.

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I am the vine.
You are the branches.

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If a man remains in me, and I am
him, he will bear much fruit

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apart from me.
You can do nothing.

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If anyone does not remain in me,
he is like a branch that is

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thrown away and Withers.
Such branches are picked up,

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thrown into the fire, and
burned.

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If you remain in Me, and my
words remain in you, ask

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whatever you wish, and it will
be given you.

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This is to my Father’s glory
that you bear much fruit,

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showing yourselves to be my
disciples just to show that.

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Jesus spoken poetic language
using.

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Allegory using.
Similarly, using things to

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explain his message, they
weren’t.

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Necessary literal, but rather
poetic.

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Let’s also turn up Isaiah and
Chapter 55.

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And verse 10.
As the rain and the snow come

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down from heaven and do not
return to it without watering

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the earth and making it buds and
flourish, so that it yields seed

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for the sower and bread for the
eater, so is my word that goes

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out from my mouth.
It will not return to me empty,

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but will accomplish what I
desire and achieve the purpose

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for which I’ve sent it.
This, these things aren’t.

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Exactly literal are they?
They are ways of explaining

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things.
And God here is basically

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explaining the purpose of poetic
messages that he wants these

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words to go out that they may
change us.

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And I believe the way the Bible
is written is part of this

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technique that God uses to
actually help us to change,

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right?
We thought this morning had been

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a little interactive already.
We have a challenge this morning

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and that is to write a poem.
So many of you have not been

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writing poems, so we’re going to
take 5 minutes to write a poem

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this morning.
We’re here to remember the

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sacrifice of our Lord through
bread and wine, and sometimes

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words don’t come easily with.
What that means to us, the fact

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that Jesus died our king, what
he has done.

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So the challenge is not for the
weaker hit, it’s for right now.

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It’s to begin this journey of
understanding the poetry of the

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Bible better by being a creator
of poetry ourselves, to learn to

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appreciate and find the meaning
in poetry.

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That we might learn and
appreciate and find meaning in

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God’s poetry.
So I had a paper.

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In fact, let’s start this now.
George, can I get your hand

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hands with you?
Does anyone need paper?

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Oh, maybe we don’t need much of
your hand.

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Anyone need paper?
You’re going to need to write.

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Oh, yeah, fine is fine.
Anyone.

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His Hands up, George.
I also have pins.

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If anyone needs pins.
Everyone’s looking.

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All right.
I’ll leave pins here.

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Right now.
I don’t expect that you are

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necessarily right in the
mindset.

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Now, despite the facts.
We’ve read some poems already

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and we’ve discussed a little bit
about what poems are.

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I want to help you get there a
little bit more.

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So as George is handing out any
paper for those that need it,

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we’re going to have a little bit
of inspiration.

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To get us going to write poetry.
Again, keep in mind that this

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helps us to draw closer to the
word of God, This exercise, and

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again reminding you that what we
very loosely maybe want to base

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our poem on is is the sacrifice
or the redemption or the meaning

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of Jesus and his death and his
life.

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Whatever you like.
I don’t want to box you into too

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much, but let’s quickly discuss
a few things that might help

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you.
To get going with a poem, by the

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way, before we start this as
well, I’m not No one’s getting

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up to read a poem.
No one’s needing to express

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themselves.
This is just for you.

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And if you get 2 lines on paper,
then that’s great, That’s there

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is no right or wrong, no fail or
pass in this in this

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interaction, all right?
One way that we might start a

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poem is to think on a word.
So here we have one word or one

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phrases of Psalm 2 words.
So every now and then there.

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But there are some words there
on the left hand side that might

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inspire us that we can just sit
with one of those words and hits

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start to explain something about
Jesus and his sacrifice that he

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has made for us.
We might want to start with a

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question like we talked about
something before, something that

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is makes us a bit speechless.
Maybe that’s really hard to

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answer.
Maybe it’s a question that’s

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asked very often and has a few
answers.

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Maybe it’s a question something
like what was it like?

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Don’t forget there are some
poetry tools, and by tools I

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mean kind of grammatical.
Ways of using words, these

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metaphors where we might compare
the feeling of something to

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something else, or seeing
something as like seeing

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something else.
Think of all of your senses when

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you when you think of metaphors,
there’s repetition.

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Feel free.
That’s a that’s a nice easy way

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to get started.
Think of 1 phrase and see if you

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can repeat that.
If we stick in line, we know

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there’s some Psalms written like
that.

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It might be simply as great as
our God and then align and then

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great as our God, something that
might have some repetition that

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is very much poetry.
You might feel like you want

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some structure and one classic
one is going good, bad, good.

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In terms of a poem, you start
with a great moment and it

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descends, but then there is some
sort of redemption or some sort

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of good thing at the end.
And then finally, reading poems

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is another great way to get us
to be inspired, help us to

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appreciate the the use of words
in a certain way.

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So there are some examples there
of some poems, some poetry,

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language from God’s words that
we can use.

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So it’s 22 and I’m going to do
it by my phone.

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OK, cool.
I’m going to give you about four

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minutes.
I’m going to play a little bit

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of instrumental hymns just while
you do that.

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So I’ll leave you to it.
All right.

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I’m sure you’ve got a full page
of well formed poetry, but no,

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it can.
Sometimes it can flow, sometimes

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it can’t, and sometimes you just
need to start writing to get

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something out before other
things start to flow.

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To conclude, it’s worth
reflecting that God is so wildly

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creative himself from creation
itself in the detail of His work

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over thousands of generations,
including today.

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The ways that he has called
people, the way that he still

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calls them, the way that his
plan is weaved into history.

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There’s so much to the story
that God has added.

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And then we have Jesus with his
parables.

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What amazing stories of
creation.

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It’s creative ways of healing
people.

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There was barely 2 healings, the
same of calling people His use

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of language that could confound
some and then could reveal so

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much to others.
And doing this poetry exercise,

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we can have the opportunity to
be closer to God and to Jesus by

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becoming more creative, being a
creator ourselves in some way,

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having a common interest like
football, and exploring things

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like poetry.
Let’s conclude, then, with the

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last bit of poetry I want to
share from God’s word.

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But we have this treasure in
jars of play to show that it’s

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also passing power.
This from God and not from us.

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We are hard pressed on every
side, but not crushed, afflicted

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but not in despair, persecuted
but not abandoned, strapped down

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but not destroyed.
We always carry around now in

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our body the death of Jesus, so
that the life of Jesus may also

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be revealed in our body.
For we who are alive are always

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being given over to death for
Jesus’s sake, so that his life

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may also be revealed in our
mortal body.

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So then death is at work and us,
but life is at work in you.

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