353: John Bilello – Darwin or God? (Psa. 19)

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Hey everyone, this is Jason

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Hensley.
This week we are going to be

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listening to a talk by Brother
John Bolello.

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I believe it was given at the LA
Ecclesia and I’m not totally

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sure the date.
However, when you listen to the

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talk, you’ll notice that there’s
a few things that he says that

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makes it sound like we’re
looking at probably the late

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90s.
Now you might be wondering, why

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are we listening to a talk about
science from the late 90s?

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You know, that’s almost 30 years
ago, so surely the science is

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outdated.
And I would agree with the

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sentiment that there are some
things that are outdated here.

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So when you listen to this, you
have to listen with a discerning

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mind.
But at the same time, I think a

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number of the things that
Brother John brings out are

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still really helpful to
consider.

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He talks about his colleagues at
the University of Michigan and

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how a number of his colleagues
believe in God.

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And he makes a really helpful
distinction, I think, between

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the direction that science goes
in the belief in God and the

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direction that liberal arts tend
to go in the belief in God.

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And I found that in my own work
that it really does tend to be

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the liberal arts focus that
seeks to remove God and

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inspiration from texts like the
Bible.

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So I think there’s helpful,
foundational kind of stuff that

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he goes through in this talk.
Some of the immediate things

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that he talks about, like he’ll
reference, you know, an article

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that just came out or something
like that.

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Well, we can recognize that the
article is old, but I think

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really a lot of his foundational
points and a lot of the main

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ideas that he brings out are
really helpful to consider.

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So this is Brother John Bilello
with his talk entitled Darwin or

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God-given likely at the Los
Angeles Ecclesia, probably

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sometime in the late 1990s.
Enjoy.

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Some of you attended last year
when we did the Bible and

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Science seminar in Simi Hills.
I talked about the Bible and

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physics.
I’m not going to talk about that

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at all tonight.
I’m going to concentrate

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tonight’s talk on evolution and
on Darwin and on some of the

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issues arising thereof.
And it’s been kind of

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progressively aware that in many
ways, the way evolution gets

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taught in high school is usually
about 20 years behind what’s

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what scientists are doing who
are working in the field.

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There’s also a common sort of
mythology that scientists do not

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believe in God.
I don’t think that’s true

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either.
At the university, many of the

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people I work with in the
physics department and in the

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material science department not
only believe in God but are

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quite faithful.
And several people are very

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orthodox.
Jews, for example, every day do

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their daily readings, every day
do their prayers, and are very

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dedicated to God’s word.
And they do not accept a Darwin

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as a answer to creation.
And it is not unusual at all to

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get into debates, but most often
with the philosophers.

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Scientists themselves have a
great deal of reason and, and

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particularly in physics over the
recent years, there have been so

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many different discoveries in
the universe and in relation to

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the structure of matter that
people have been really

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wondering about it.
I picked this passage and I’m

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going to read you several more
passages because I want you to

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realize that God has written to
us in two ways.

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The first is through the Word of
God in the Scriptures, which He

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has confirmed through His
prophets and His holy men, and

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God has confirmed that word
through Jesus Christ.

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The second way is through nature
itself.

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God is the author of nature, and
when we read this in Psalm 19

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verse one, the heavens declare
the glory of God and the

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firmament or the earth show it
his handiwork.

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I think we ought to take that
quite at face value, that the

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evidence of God is everywhere
around us in nature, in the in

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the marvelous design in which
God has created life and the

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universe itself and the laws
which govern it.

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And these are not accidents.
And so that it’s perfectly

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legitimate to to look into these
things and to presume that we,

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we understand that these things
are not just accident.

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They’re not just there by some
fantastic roll of the dice.

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They’re there because God has
designed it.

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In fact, in a recent book, one
Jewish physicist said, I like

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this phrase.
He said that the God is the

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author of physics, the laws of
physics.

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In a sense, God was the first
physicist and the laws which

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govern creation were done that
way.

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I want to show you something
interesting.

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A couple of weeks ago when I was
up in the Bay Area, I picked up

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the San Francisco Chronicle,
which is obviously not a paper I

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would usually read.
And this, this paper had

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published this, this report
based on a scientific survey,

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and I’ll read it to you.
Scientists have been accused of

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playing God when they clone
sheep and of naysaying God when

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they insist that evolution be
taught in school.

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But a new study indicates that
many scientists believe in God

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by the most mainstream,
uppercase definition of that

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concept repeating verbatim a
famous survey first conducted in

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1916.
Edward Larson of the University

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of Georgia has found that the
depth of religious faith among

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scientists has not budged,
regardless of whatever

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scientific and technical
advances this century has

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wrought.
Then, as now, that’s about

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That’s 80 years ago more.
About 40% of responding

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biologists, physicists and
mathematicians said they

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believed in a God who, by the
survey strict definition,

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actively communicates with
humankind and to whom one may

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pray in expectation of receiving
an answer.

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Luba, A devout atheist, had
predicted that disbelief in God

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would grow as education spread,
and Larson decided to use the

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psychologist’s exact methods to
see if that prediction held.

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He polled the same number of
researchers as had Luba and used

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the same source for picking his
subjects.

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The directory American Men and
Women of Science, a compendium

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of research, is success
successful enough to win awards

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and be cited regularly in
scientific literature.

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He followed Luba’s survey format
to the letter with the same

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introduction and the same
questions written in the same

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stilted language, even in
closing the same type of

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envelope.
More than 600 of about 1000

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scientists answers the
questionnaire, and it was

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similar to Luba’s response rate
80 years ago.

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And this is a very strict
definition.

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I believe if you asked
scientists a simple question,

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just that they believe in God is
the creator of the universe,

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probably 85 or 90% would say
yes.

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This strict definition of a God
who answers prayer and

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everything is, is, I think much
more complicated.

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But nevertheless, this person,
Luber, psychologist, 80 years

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ago took a survey and he
expected that within 25 to 40

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years, no one would believe in
God.

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And it turns out the very people
who he hoped to to use as proof

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still have this great faith and
this this book.

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American men and women of
science should go look it up in

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the library for yourself.
And if you look up Bolello, I

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think I’m in there.
It may be a relative, I’m not

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sure.
Take, take a look and you’ll be.

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It’s kind of interesting.
So this idea that scientists

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don’t believe in God, I don’t
think it’s true and I think it’s

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too often cited.
In fact, in another survey about

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10 years ago at Yale University
among students, it was found

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that the physics students
believed in God by more than

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three to 1 and the divinity
students were split about half

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half, Which I think is kind of
interesting and shows you what

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may be somewhat wrong with with
the way religion is being

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presented to to people that if
the people who was responsible

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in in the community at wide for
that word do not have deep

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faith, then how can you have the
congregations to be faithful?

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I want you to look at a few
other quotes that are that I

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think are relevant to Psalm 14
and one if you if you would

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follow me and it will all be up
on the screen.

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So if you don’t have to really
go looking back, but you might

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want to note a few of these
verses.

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The fool said in his heart,
there is no God.

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They are corrupt.
They have done abominable works.

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There is none to do with good.
The Lord looked down from heaven

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upon the children of men to see
if there were any that did

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understand and seek God.
And that that’s important that

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if we understand we believe in
God, then we have to seek him

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out.
There’s a responsibility on us

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to do something about it.
And a lot of people, that’s why

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they don’t want to believe,
because if they believe, they

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have to do something about it.
And I think it is interesting

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that he said that those who say
there is no God of fools, and by

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and large most scientists are
not fools.

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They, they try very hard to seek
truth.

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They, they have all the same
foibles and mistakes and evils

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and immoralities, everybody else
in the community.

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But with respect to seeking
evidence, they’re pretty careful

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about it.
And if, if the, if the evidence

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were zero, I can assure you most
of my colleagues would not,

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would not profess to believe in
God.

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I have gotten over my lifetime
very little Flack from

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colleagues in physics in in
terms of of my beliefs, but I

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usually get it from the liberal
arts people and the philosophers

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who say how can a scientist
believe?

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And I think it’s because they
don’t first hand seek out their

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own information.
We read this quote already,

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which is well worth remembering
because it is the evidence of

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nature besides the word that
should lead people to God.

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When we see around us the
marvelous things of God’s

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creation, we should be impelled
to do something about it.

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Another interesting quote is
this one in Numbers.

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Because God has created this
universe and this planet and us

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for a purpose.
He hasn’t created it in vain.

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He didn’t create it just by pure
accident, but there is a purpose

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behind this creation and that
purpose He says is as truly as I

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live.
And if you took take the whole

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context of Numbers, it’s it’s
God who’s speaking He says as

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truly as I live, all the earth
shall be filled with the glory

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of the Lord.
So I think what it doesn’t take

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much imagination to realize that
that equally must hold for the

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universe.
God has not created the universe

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in vain.
He’s created it for a purpose

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and it in the ultimate purpose
is to fill it with his glory.

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And so we have a choice to
partake in that.

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And another very interesting
verse is in Jeremiah the prophet

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Jeremiah chapter 31.
And I think that’s worth looking

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at also.
I put it in the NIV and I’m

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going to read it.
That’s the new English version.

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I mean the New International
version.

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I’m going to read it in the King
James or authorized Version

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also.
So if you turn with with me to

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Jeremiah chapter 31.
Now here the prophet Jeremiah

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was speaking in the last days of
the Commonwealth of Israel when

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the Babylonians were at the
doorstep literally, and we’re

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going to carry the nation into
captivity.

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And he makes these comments
about God and his relationship

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with Israel.
And in verse 35 he says, Thus

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sayeth the Lord, which giveth
the sun for the light by day,

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and the ordinances of the moon
and of the stars for a light by

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night, which divided the sea.
When the ways there are roar,

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The Lord of hosts is his name.
If those ordinances depart from

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before me, sayeth the Lord, then
the seed of Israel shall cease

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from being a nation before me
forever.

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Thus sayeth the Lord, If the
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and the foundations of the earth
searched out beneath, I will

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also cast off all the seed of
Israel for all they have done,

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sayeth the Lord.
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universe.
He appoints the Son to sign by

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The Who decrees.
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uses the word ordinances in the
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the word laws.
Who has set the laws of the moon

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and the stars?
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saying is I have set the laws of
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laws of physics.
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I wrote them.
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then I will change my promises.
So far from not using science,

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God cites science as a proof of
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word.
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I think that’s that’s quite
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And I don’t think it ought to be
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And gravity is a very fixed law.
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because when we talk about
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about a law.
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And no one ever talks about the
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That would be ridiculous.
I mean, if I throw this thing

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up, it’s going to come down and
it’s going to come down here and

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everywhere on this planet.
It’s only $0.25, so I won’t

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worry about.
But that’s a law.

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Now when it comes to evolution
asset theory.

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And 150 years later, we’re still
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And yet when Newton wrote the
laws of gravity, they already

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knew from Galileo’s experiments
that they worked.

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And they work everywhere and
find what’s remarkable is he

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says if you if you look at, he
says they shine by night if you

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lookout into the stars.
The same laws of physics are

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obeyed that astronomers see, no
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the universe.
The same laws of physics seem to

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be obeyed everywhere where
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And and that’s, that’s quite
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Whereas a theory is something
that people still are not sure

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of.
And any critical experiments to

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prove the theory of evolution
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I’ll talk more about that in a
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So I think we have to make that
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talking about science.
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There’s science that’s provable
by theory, experiment, and

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confirmation.
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is in its formative stages,
where there’s a theory evolved,

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but definitive proof is lacking.
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scientists still call the theory
of evolution a theory is the

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clue that definitive proof has
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So I, I might want to get that
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And I want you all sort of
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it gets thrown at you and often
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junior levels.
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through high school and I know
my oldest boy got in a

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tremendous argument with his
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And of course, she said, she
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argue with.
He is the most, you know, you

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know, verbal type person.
And finally, she called me up

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and she says, you know, I’m
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your son.
I just can’t get through to him

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about evolution.
I said, well, what was he

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telling you?
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And I said, oh, yeah, well,
that’s pretty good.

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I agree with him.
She says, what?

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So he said she said.
She said, I, I don’t understand

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this.
You’re a scientist.

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How Can you believe that?
That’s the old cliche.

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I says, you’re a teacher.
How can you teach what you’re

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teaching?
I said, just because the state

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standard curriculum.
I mean, when I went to high

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school, I had to happen to have
a good Orthodox Jew as a

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teacher, and the way he taught
biology was here’s the theory of

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evolution, please learn it for
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It’s mostly baloney now.
I don’t think a teacher can get

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away with that today.
They probably lose their job.

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But be aware that the very fact
that something is called a

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theory means it has not been
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And I don’t know anyone who
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the law of Darwin so that that’s
important point to remember.

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But God says the laws of physics
are so firm that he would base

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his promises on it.
This is in the King James, which

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we just read.
He repeats it again in chapter

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33, verse 7.
And you see the difference with

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God is not drawing upon theories
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He’s talking about the laws of
the universe, the laws that

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govern the physical universe.
And here in chapter 33, again,

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I’m reading this in the
authorized version 33 and seven

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Jeremiah, just a page or two
over.

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I will cause the captivity of
Judah and the captivity of

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Israel to return, and we’ll
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So God is talking about the days
when he would bring the Jews

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back to his land.
And he says that that is going

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to happen.
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And this is really critical
because we know the Jews have

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come back to the land.
We’ve seen that, you know,

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that’s happened twice and it’s
happened in 1948 and they have

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been replanted as a nation.
And he says here verse 19,

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Jeremiah 33 And the word of the
Lord came unto Jeremiah saying,

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Thus saith the Lord, if he can
break my covenant or law of the

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day and my covenant of the
night, that there should not be

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day and night in their season,
then may also my covenant be

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broken with David, my servant,
that he should not have a son to

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reign upon his throne.
And with the Levites, the

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priests, my ministers, he’s
talking about Jesus Christ

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because that’s the seed of David
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And he’s saying, I will bring a
Messiah.

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And it’s so firm.
It’s as firm as the laws, the

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covenants that I’ve made to
control day and night, the

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revolution of the planets, the
motion of the the moon around

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earth, the revolution of the
earth around the sun and the

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motion of the planets.
He says though that’s how firm

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it is.
And then he says, as the host of

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heaven cannot be numbered,
neither the sand of the sea

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measured, so will I multiply the
seed of David my servant, and

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the Levites that minister unto
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Now that’s that’s quite a
remarkable verse, verse 22,

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because in the year when that
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about 5 1/2 centuries before
Christ.

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You could look up at the night
sky and you can count the number

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of stars.
There were about 2000 of them

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and the Babylonians and the
Chinese astronomers catalogued

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them.
Now, if you look up in the night

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sky with your naked eye, maybe
in Los Angeles, you can’t see

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anything but smog.
I’m not really sure.

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But in my backyard in Michigan,
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If it’s not raining, I can
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And and if you see it, you can
see they’re very clearly marked.

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What is remarkable is that as
men, men have built telescopes,

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the further and further they
look in space, the number of

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stars, the number of galaxies,
just multiply and multiply and

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multiply.
And they, in fact, there are so

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many of them, there probably are
more than the sand in the

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seashore.
I if anyone’s ever heard Carl

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Sagan and go billions and
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And that’s just because the
number is so large you can’t

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write it down.
If I were to write down the

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number of stars that are visible
so far with known telescopes and

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I put A1 down and I stopped
putting zeros, we would be here

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for several weeks and I would
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That’s how many there are.
OK, that’s homework.

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Do this for homework.
Go back, put it down, try to

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find out how many there are.
So when it says this, how did

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they know this 2500 years ago?
Unless God inspired Jeremiah to

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write it correctly that he just
opened the tech the Keck

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telescope in Hawaii and on Mauna
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the the Big Island about a year
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They were able to look further
into space than they’d ever

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seen.
And still space was covered with

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endless stars.
So this is this perspective

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could not have been achieved by
Jeremiah because if he looked

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out at the night side, he would
have been able to count them and

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he would have known they weren’t
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So this, this is this is very
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And God uses this to confirm his
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Now I want to show this
relationship to evolution

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because I think everyone’s seen
something like this and I think

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we’ve seen this before and I’ve
used this before, but this is

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kind of the classical picture
that evolutionists give.

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First a small ape like creature
stands on 2 feet and then they

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get bigger and the brain cavity
gets bigger and then they need

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to shave and then maybe they get
to find a few smaller one.

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They get a little bit bigger,
bigger and finally they end up

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looking something like us.
OK, And this is the standard

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picture.
And if you go to the American

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Natural History Museum in
Washington, DC, the Smithsonian,

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you see a horse, similar thing.
You’ll see a little small horse

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and then the horse gets bigger
and gets bigger and then it can

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make it a little small and it’s
when finally it ends up being

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Arabian horse and so on.
And in New York, they had a

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similar exhibit on the horse at
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Central Park.
But a number of scientists,

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myself included, protested to
them some years back.

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But this was a a phony exhibit.
And in fact, it was because the

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fossils that made-up the
sequence were not dateable

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chronologically.
And so you could find a bunch of

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different forms of different
sides and brain cavity and say,

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oh, they must have progressively
get bigger.

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But just think about it a
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You could do the same thing for
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I could take a Chihuahua and
say, OK, here’s a Chihuahua and

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then a Cocker spaniel and this
one and I get a Saint Bernard.

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Look, see how dogs are getting
bigger and bigger and bigger and

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it boils down to that.
Some of the scientific evidence,

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I’m not saying well, but some of
the scientific evidence which

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has been cited over and over
again are at that level of

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fudging it.
The British Museum in England

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has had actually had a scandal
recently because they found out

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that bones dated earlier had
been moved around so that they

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fit into the sequence that met
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So this is this kind of picture
which you see all the time.

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Please don’t accept this as
proof.

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This is a model.
This is the way they would like

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it to be.
As far as a continuous proof of

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this, all dated accurately.
There is not a single sequence

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anywhere in the world that
matches this and you will not

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see it.
And I want to show, I’ll show

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you more on this in a few
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The other thing that’s quite
interesting is that Homo

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sapiens, which is what we are,
seem to appear quite suddenly

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and they dated to 40,000 years
ago.

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But I’m not, I’m not, I won’t,
I’m not going to push dates, but

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it appears quite suddenly and
don’t seem to have any direct

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relationship to previous
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And that’s kind of mysterious.
In fact, one biologist wrote a

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book recently called The Mystery
of Modern Man because they have

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not been able to link us to
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And so I think that’s that’s
kind of something to be a little

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bit careful about the way this
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And, and, and, and just assume
just because you see a model

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like this in a book, this is a
standard reference book where

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you see it in an encyclopedia or
even in a museum that that

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constitutes proof.
It doesn’t.

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Second thing is that dating
anything beyond a few 10s of

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thousands of years by any
physical method is almost

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impossible.
The way these things are dated

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are from the layer they’re
founded in a couple of cases I

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have tried to.
One of the things I do is I’m

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I’m a diffractionist.
I do X-ray work and I tried to

438
00:25:47,400 –> 00:25:52,760
get a museum to give me a sample
of one of these fossils to do

439
00:25:52,760 –> 00:25:55,680
X-ray fluorescence.
Now, the one thing I can do with

440
00:25:55,680 –> 00:26:00,360
that is I can find how much
radioactive element there is and

441
00:26:00,360 –> 00:26:03,000
how much potassium isotope they
are and you can get some

442
00:26:03,000 –> 00:26:06,760
estimate of how long it might
have been existing.

443
00:26:07,600 –> 00:26:10,920
They wouldn’t give me a sample.
You, I couldn’t prove that it

444
00:26:10,920 –> 00:26:13,200
was 4,000,000 years old, but I
certainly could prove it was

445
00:26:13,200 –> 00:26:15,880
older than 4050 thousand years
old.

446
00:26:16,120 –> 00:26:18,560
And the reason they wouldn’t
give me a sample, oh, I I should

447
00:26:18,560 –> 00:26:21,480
mention this is the, the ones
that were found in East Africa

448
00:26:21,600 –> 00:26:24,160
from the Leakeys.
They will not give any of these

449
00:26:24,160 –> 00:26:29,120
out for radioactive analysis or
other kinds of analysis because

450
00:26:29,120 –> 00:26:32,120
I think they have a copyright on
it and they write books about

451
00:26:32,120 –> 00:26:34,400
this and they make money.
All right, fine.

452
00:26:34,760 –> 00:26:38,400
But don’t go around making
extreme claims either if you’re

453
00:26:38,400 –> 00:26:41,280
not willing to openly let other
scientists look at what you’re

454
00:26:41,280 –> 00:26:43,400
doing.
I couldn’t get away with that on

455
00:26:43,400 –> 00:26:45,680
my job.
But this is the level.

456
00:26:45,720 –> 00:26:48,720
Imagine Newton saying, OK, I got
the laws of physics, here’s what

457
00:26:48,720 –> 00:26:50,880
they are, but I don’t want
anyone else to run a test on

458
00:26:50,880 –> 00:26:52,720
them.
Please don’t send the rocket up

459
00:26:52,720 –> 00:26:54,960
or flip a coin.
Can you imagine some other

460
00:26:54,960 –> 00:26:56,840
scientists trying to do science
that way?

461
00:26:57,200 –> 00:27:01,480
I can’t.
The same objective standards of

462
00:27:01,480 –> 00:27:05,280
evidence are not always held
when it comes to biology, and

463
00:27:05,280 –> 00:27:07,880
I’m not sure why.
Maybe it’s because they don’t

464
00:27:07,880 –> 00:27:13,480
have any other way of doing it.
But my most fun at dealing with

465
00:27:13,480 –> 00:27:16,880
biology is to read what
biologists are writing.

466
00:27:19,200 –> 00:27:21,680
Anyone here ever hear of Stephen
J Ghoul?

467
00:27:22,480 –> 00:27:25,120
OK.
Stephen J Ghoul is professor of

468
00:27:25,320 –> 00:27:27,920
evolutionary biology at Harvard
University.

469
00:27:28,280 –> 00:27:31,160
And as we like to say in
Michigan, Harvard is the

470
00:27:31,160 –> 00:27:37,720
Michigan of the East, OK?
In fact, you can buy AT shirt in

471
00:27:37,720 –> 00:27:40,880
our bookstore that says that
Harvard, the Michigan of the

472
00:27:40,880 –> 00:27:42,720
East.
Actually, I think Michigan’s a

473
00:27:42,720 –> 00:27:44,160
better university.
We could beat them.

474
00:27:44,160 –> 00:27:46,440
And that’s one school I know we
can beat in football.

475
00:27:47,040 –> 00:27:52,120
Anyway, Ghoul is very well
known.

476
00:27:52,120 –> 00:27:55,360
He’s written a lot of books and
he’s a, he’s probably the

477
00:27:55,360 –> 00:27:59,120
leading current generation
biologist.

478
00:27:59,760 –> 00:28:05,040
Now, when Darwin wrote his
Origin of Species, there were

479
00:28:05,040 –> 00:28:08,040
only a limited number of fossils
around.

480
00:28:08,320 –> 00:28:11,240
And at that time, no one had
ever proved that one species

481
00:28:11,240 –> 00:28:14,000
came from another.
You know, the classical one

482
00:28:14,000 –> 00:28:17,000
where the, the, the, the fish is
in the sea.

483
00:28:17,000 –> 00:28:18,920
And then finally the fish gets
something looks like little

484
00:28:18,920 –> 00:28:21,160
legs, and then the fish walks on
land and then he gets beat.

485
00:28:21,320 –> 00:28:23,720
That’s sort of the standard kind
is it’s so standard that

486
00:28:23,720 –> 00:28:25,960
cartoonists often use it as a
joke.

487
00:28:26,360 –> 00:28:29,360
All right, you know that there
is no such fossil ever been

488
00:28:29,360 –> 00:28:32,480
found of what I call an
intermediate between two

489
00:28:32,480 –> 00:28:35,200
species.
Now that’s not to say evolution

490
00:28:35,200 –> 00:28:40,480
doesn’t occur on short term.
In fact, maybe the word

491
00:28:40,480 –> 00:28:42,120
evolution shouldn’t be used
there.

492
00:28:42,120 –> 00:28:44,440
Maybe the word adaptability can
be used.

493
00:28:44,720 –> 00:28:48,160
For example, it’s been shown
that among butterflies and among

494
00:28:48,160 –> 00:28:53,280
moths that certain colorings
favour survival and famous. 1 is

495
00:28:53,280 –> 00:28:57,960
where a white moth was attracted
to industrial town in England in

496
00:28:57,960 –> 00:29:00,840
the 19th century.
And as that town used more and

497
00:29:00,840 –> 00:29:04,560
more coal and got grayer and
sodier and sodier, the white

498
00:29:04,560 –> 00:29:09,480
moths were easy prey and the
darker grayer species of moth

499
00:29:09,520 –> 00:29:13,120
would survive being eaten by
birds and other other things

500
00:29:13,120 –> 00:29:16,600
that were their enemies.
And so by and by white moths

501
00:29:16,600 –> 00:29:20,160
started fading away and you
ended up with mostly the dark

502
00:29:20,160 –> 00:29:22,480
moths.
But that’s not evolution, that’s

503
00:29:22,480 –> 00:29:25,880
adaptability.
Evolution would be if the moth

504
00:29:25,880 –> 00:29:28,760
becomes a Pussycat, that’s
evolution.

505
00:29:28,840 –> 00:29:33,840
That’s an origin of species.
OK, now this has never been

506
00:29:33,840 –> 00:29:38,640
proved in the Darwinian sense.
Darwin’s own answer to this was

507
00:29:39,600 –> 00:29:42,880
we got to keep looking.
We don’t have enough fossils.

508
00:29:43,680 –> 00:29:48,040
Well, 150 years later there are
10s of thousands more fossils

509
00:29:48,520 –> 00:29:52,800
and yet no one has ever found an
intermediary between two

510
00:29:52,800 –> 00:29:56,760
different species, part fish,
part man, you know, part part

511
00:29:56,760 –> 00:29:59,880
mammal, part amphibian,
whatever.

512
00:30:00,200 –> 00:30:03,120
Never ever been found.
Interesting.

513
00:30:03,600 –> 00:30:08,200
I want you to look at a verse in
the New Testament, First

514
00:30:08,200 –> 00:30:13,920
Corinthians 15 and I don’t think
you will ever find one and they

515
00:30:13,920 –> 00:30:17,080
are look, believe me, they are
looking and looking and looking

516
00:30:17,080 –> 00:30:22,240
and looking and looking.
But first Corinthians 15 and I

517
00:30:22,240 –> 00:30:32,240
like you to look at this this
verse verse 38 and for

518
00:30:32,240 –> 00:30:34,800
connection 39 is the verse I
want to focus on.

519
00:30:35,000 –> 00:30:37,920
But God give it to the body as
it it pleased them into every

520
00:30:37,920 –> 00:30:41,200
seed.
His own body, all flesh, is not

521
00:30:41,200 –> 00:30:46,440
the same flesh, but there is one
kind of flesh of men, another

522
00:30:46,440 –> 00:30:51,480
flesh of beasts, another of
fishes, and another of birds.

523
00:30:51,840 –> 00:30:56,680
And he shows clearly the
different types of species and

524
00:30:56,680 –> 00:30:58,240
says they’re separate, they’re
different.

525
00:31:01,440 –> 00:31:04,760
The evolutionary biologist says
we’ve all come from 1:00.

526
00:31:06,680 –> 00:31:09,600
It’s just never, it’s just not
true there.

527
00:31:09,760 –> 00:31:13,360
If it is true, the evidence is
totally lacking.

528
00:31:14,480 –> 00:31:16,400
And I think we we ought to bear
that in mind.

529
00:31:16,400 –> 00:31:18,000
And I think that’s, that’s an
important point.

530
00:31:18,160 –> 00:31:22,320
The evidence for intermediate
species between two different

531
00:31:22,320 –> 00:31:26,760
branches just does not exist.
Evolution within a species we

532
00:31:26,760 –> 00:31:31,040
see all the time, OK, the
adaptability of the moth is, is

533
00:31:31,040 –> 00:31:35,040
clear that happens.
And survival of the fittest

534
00:31:35,040 –> 00:31:37,080
within a species group that
happens.

535
00:31:37,600 –> 00:31:39,640
But that’s not the same as
creation.

536
00:31:40,360 –> 00:31:42,440
And I don’t think very dangerous
thing.

537
00:31:42,440 –> 00:31:45,880
I always tell my students, if
you’ve got the several data

538
00:31:45,880 –> 00:31:49,400
points, you know, don’t
extrapolate your data beyond

539
00:31:49,560 –> 00:31:51,480
where you’ve actually got
information.

540
00:31:51,880 –> 00:31:54,600
What biologists do is they have
a data point here, they have a

541
00:31:54,600 –> 00:31:57,480
data point here and they
extrapolate it back 5 billion

542
00:31:57,480 –> 00:31:59,880
years.
That’s not that’s not kosher as

543
00:31:59,880 –> 00:32:03,280
we say, OK.
I mean, if you have data here

544
00:32:03,280 –> 00:32:05,840
and here, you’re only entitled
to know what happened between

545
00:32:05,840 –> 00:32:09,640
them unless you have some very,
very powerful other evidence.

546
00:32:10,240 –> 00:32:13,040
I want to show you something I
mentioned Stephen Jay Gould.

547
00:32:13,960 –> 00:32:18,960
What is the mechanism for
creation if it is not God and it

548
00:32:18,960 –> 00:32:24,280
is not the Darwinian mechanism
of natural selection?

549
00:32:25,280 –> 00:32:28,680
OK, what is the mechanism?
Well, Gould and looking at

550
00:32:29,360 –> 00:32:32,760
thousands of fossils has come to
the conclusion that slow

551
00:32:32,760 –> 00:32:35,240
evolution has never been
evidenced.

552
00:32:36,440 –> 00:32:38,080
And I’m going to read you from
his own book.

553
00:32:38,320 –> 00:32:43,520
This is this is Book of Life
edited by Stephen Ghoul.

554
00:32:43,960 –> 00:32:46,160
And you can buy this.
It’s a it’s a relatively recent

555
00:32:46,160 –> 00:32:50,320
book, 1995.
He’s talking about the explosion

556
00:32:50,320 –> 00:32:52,280
of fossils in the Cambrian
period.

557
00:32:52,280 –> 00:32:54,880
And let’s not worry about what
the Cambrian period is, but let

558
00:32:54,880 –> 00:32:57,720
let’s read what he cites as how
this all came about.

559
00:32:58,080 –> 00:33:01,800
The Cambrian has always been a
mystery, a highway starting in a

560
00:33:01,800 –> 00:33:04,000
desert.
In other words, before the

561
00:33:04,000 –> 00:33:07,800
Cambrian, there seemed to be no
life forms at all.

562
00:33:07,800 –> 00:33:09,720
And then all of a sudden they
explode.

563
00:33:10,640 –> 00:33:14,440
Now we have pathways converging
to feed it, and it turns out to

564
00:33:14,440 –> 00:33:21,000
be a broader Rd. than we knew.
Yet it is no gradual story at

565
00:33:21,000 –> 00:33:25,960
that, no gradual story that
discoveries revealed, but a

566
00:33:25,960 –> 00:33:30,680
revolutionary episode crammed
with new animals, some big, some

567
00:33:30,680 –> 00:33:32,800
small, some with skeletons, some
without.

568
00:33:33,280 –> 00:33:36,200
Can we account for the sudden
appearance of so many

569
00:33:36,200 –> 00:33:40,320
fundamentally different kinds of
animals, the basic phyla?

570
00:33:40,920 –> 00:33:44,160
And why did the variety of
animals within each file a

571
00:33:44,160 –> 00:33:48,000
rocket so steeply upward?
Scientists would like to know.

572
00:33:48,000 –> 00:33:52,200
And then excites the model that
is being proposed.

573
00:33:52,200 –> 00:33:56,680
What happens when animals flood
into empty ecological space is a

574
00:33:56,680 –> 00:33:59,120
sequence well known in life’s
history.

575
00:33:59,680 –> 00:34:04,080
Not only individuals, but all
species begin to climb at a

576
00:34:04,080 –> 00:34:10,639
geometric rate. 124816X7.
Get at Vermigi puts it new

577
00:34:10,639 –> 00:34:16,800
species are basically accidents
that happen as populations of

578
00:34:16,800 –> 00:34:20,040
individuals adapt to local
environment.

579
00:34:21,520 –> 00:34:26,199
This is the new model.
OK, Darwin was gradual change,

580
00:34:26,360 –> 00:34:28,280
he says.
There is no gradual change.

581
00:34:28,400 –> 00:34:32,880
The new model is accidents.
So all life got here by accident

582
00:34:33,280 –> 00:34:35,320
and all new species covered by
accident.

583
00:34:35,840 –> 00:34:39,600
Now, if that’s a model, you
know, if, if I, if I were

584
00:34:39,600 –> 00:34:42,520
working in a profession that put
that forward as a model, I’d

585
00:34:42,520 –> 00:34:44,360
change my profession.
I’ll tell you the truth.

586
00:34:45,120 –> 00:34:47,520
I mean, I couldn’t, I couldn’t
imagine doing that with anything

587
00:34:47,520 –> 00:34:51,400
in physics or engineering.
I mean, if any of you are

588
00:34:51,400 –> 00:34:54,280
working engineer as a physicist,
Can you imagine going into your

589
00:34:54,280 –> 00:34:56,679
boss and say, well, I can
explain it all, It’s an

590
00:34:56,679 –> 00:35:00,120
accident.
I mean, you wouldn’t last long.

591
00:35:01,440 –> 00:35:04,280
Why is that?
Why this why this is the by the

592
00:35:04,280 –> 00:35:07,920
way, this is the leading
evolutionary biologist.

593
00:35:08,520 –> 00:35:10,160
Imagine what the lesser people
are saying.

594
00:35:11,000 –> 00:35:13,360
Now when I point this out to my
colleagues, you know what

595
00:35:13,360 –> 00:35:15,640
reaction I get among the
physicists?

596
00:35:15,640 –> 00:35:17,920
They go, those guys are terrible
scientists anyway.

597
00:35:17,920 –> 00:35:20,920
What do you expect?
When I talk to the biologist,

598
00:35:20,920 –> 00:35:22,880
they go, well, we don’t have any
other model.

599
00:35:26,960 –> 00:35:29,200
This is on this book.
It’s 1993.

600
00:35:29,200 –> 00:35:31,960
The edition I have, it’s pages
56 and 57.

601
00:35:31,960 –> 00:35:35,800
It’s in the library.
OK, so somebody tells you that

602
00:35:35,800 –> 00:35:38,880
they got a model for evolution,
say the model is accident.

603
00:35:39,520 –> 00:35:41,240
It’s not Darwin, it’s not
original.

604
00:35:41,240 –> 00:35:44,400
This is what they’re selling.
Let me show you some other

605
00:35:44,400 –> 00:35:52,600
things.
This is by another biologist who

606
00:35:53,200 –> 00:35:55,760
in this book is called The Great
Evolution Mystery.

607
00:35:59,520 –> 00:36:04,680
He’s got a whole list of things
that are problems why evolution

608
00:36:04,680 –> 00:36:10,000
doesn’t seem to work, and he’s
got this whole list of different

609
00:36:11,080 –> 00:36:13,240
problems.
And here it is, the suddenness

610
00:36:13,240 –> 00:36:17,200
with which major changes in
pattern occurred and virtual

611
00:36:17,200 –> 00:36:20,480
absence of any fossil remains
from the period in which they

612
00:36:20,480 –> 00:36:23,760
were alleged to be evolving.
And let me explain what that

613
00:36:23,760 –> 00:36:28,160
means.
Suppose that you need an eye to

614
00:36:28,160 –> 00:36:32,920
see, and you have to develop
this Organism, this eye, in

615
00:36:32,920 –> 00:36:35,960
order to focus.
Now, Can you imagine taking 50

616
00:36:35,960 –> 00:36:39,560
million years to develop the eye
that was that was actually

617
00:36:40,120 –> 00:36:43,400
brought up by Darwin and he we,
we brought it up.

618
00:36:43,400 –> 00:36:47,640
He said, if very complex organs,
if we can’t really explain this,

619
00:36:47,640 –> 00:36:49,320
this is a problem with my
theory.

620
00:36:49,520 –> 00:36:53,320
Now people forgot about that and
people like Richard Dawkins and

621
00:36:53,320 –> 00:36:55,880
others have written about it and
they’ve looked at this species.

622
00:36:55,880 –> 00:36:57,640
So here’s a hair formed eye in
this one.

623
00:36:57,640 –> 00:37:00,160
Here’s Part 1 in this one.
And we can, we can show that

624
00:37:00,160 –> 00:37:02,080
there’s all different stages of
eye development.

625
00:37:02,440 –> 00:37:05,920
That doesn’t prove evolution.
That only proves that also from

626
00:37:05,920 –> 00:37:09,320
my mind, that proves the
designer had different designs

627
00:37:09,320 –> 00:37:13,600
in mind.
Now what this biologist looked

628
00:37:13,600 –> 00:37:19,160
at this, He says what happens
the very first time we find a

629
00:37:19,160 –> 00:37:21,240
specie that has to see with an
eye?

630
00:37:21,240 –> 00:37:23,640
It’s got a completely formed
eyeball.

631
00:37:23,760 –> 00:37:27,800
In fact, even more remarkable,
no one has ever found a species

632
00:37:27,800 –> 00:37:32,800
with one eye.
OK, think about that.

633
00:37:33,000 –> 00:37:35,840
If you evolve and you evolve and
it’s kind of random and it’s all

634
00:37:35,840 –> 00:37:37,800
accident, suppose it’s his
model.

635
00:37:38,200 –> 00:37:40,800
Why don’t we have somebody with
one eyeball in the middle?

636
00:37:40,800 –> 00:37:45,320
Except on science fiction TV,
the very first mammals that are

637
00:37:45,320 –> 00:37:47,880
developed, the very first fish,
the very first things that have

638
00:37:47,880 –> 00:37:52,160
eyes at all have not only good
eyes, different levels of

639
00:37:52,160 –> 00:37:56,080
sophistication, obviously, but
they all see, and they see in

640
00:37:56,080 –> 00:37:59,520
three dimensions.
And if that were not true, no

641
00:37:59,520 –> 00:38:02,240
one would ever be able to catch
their prey, right?

642
00:38:02,800 –> 00:38:05,400
No one in Southern California
would be able to drive.

643
00:38:05,840 –> 00:38:08,160
I mean, that’s really serious
right?

644
00:38:09,400 –> 00:38:12,120
Now, What accounts for that?
How can you account for that by

645
00:38:12,120 –> 00:38:15,000
accident, that the minute the
eye is there, it works.

646
00:38:15,000 –> 00:38:16,800
It functions at season 3
dimension.

647
00:38:17,960 –> 00:38:21,040
It has a lens and it can focus
that lens and it can see over a

648
00:38:21,040 –> 00:38:24,480
wide range of optical
differences.

649
00:38:25,800 –> 00:38:27,840
Now, did that all happen
overnight?

650
00:38:27,840 –> 00:38:32,280
According to Darwin, it it
should have taken millions of

651
00:38:32,280 –> 00:38:34,600
years to occur.
But what did you do in between

652
00:38:34,600 –> 00:38:37,160
when you couldn’t see or you
couldn’t see perfectly?

653
00:38:37,160 –> 00:38:40,040
How would you have survived?
And, and you pretty soon you

654
00:38:40,040 –> 00:38:42,800
come to the realization that
this is something that really

655
00:38:42,800 –> 00:38:45,960
ought to bother biologists, not
just this one guy who wrote this

656
00:38:45,960 –> 00:38:49,440
book, because even going back to
Darwin, he pointed out that

657
00:38:49,440 –> 00:38:52,800
complexity was a problem.
What’s a big problem?

658
00:38:53,560 –> 00:38:59,080
Because 1/2 formed eyeball is
useless and there is no such

659
00:38:59,080 –> 00:39:01,560
evidence of half formed
eyeballs.

660
00:39:02,400 –> 00:39:04,800
OK, let’s take a look at another
thing.

661
00:39:06,560 –> 00:39:09,440
Suddenness of new forms
radiating into numerous

662
00:39:09,520 –> 00:39:11,760
variants.
And that’s the other thing.

663
00:39:12,000 –> 00:39:14,680
Once an accident occurs, it
seems to explode.

664
00:39:16,520 –> 00:39:19,320
You get all kinds of different
variations in it right away, and

665
00:39:19,320 –> 00:39:22,600
they all seem to adapt.
Now, I think that’s very

666
00:39:22,600 –> 00:39:26,360
important because if this were
not true, if you had this

667
00:39:26,360 –> 00:39:30,800
suddenness, were not true, you
would find that something

668
00:39:30,800 –> 00:39:34,120
evolved and then it couldn’t
survive and it would just decay

669
00:39:34,120 –> 00:39:37,480
and would never flourish.
But it seems once something new

670
00:39:37,520 –> 00:39:41,600
is, is evidenced it, it
immediately seems to survive and

671
00:39:41,600 –> 00:39:44,240
grow.
And that’s kind of remarkable

672
00:39:45,440 –> 00:39:48,440
suddenness of extinctions.
Well, we don’t have to dwell on

673
00:39:48,440 –> 00:39:52,800
all of these in in detail, but
when things disappear, they

674
00:39:52,800 –> 00:39:55,560
completely disappear.
They don’t seem to phase out

675
00:39:55,960 –> 00:39:59,840
over millions of years either,
and that’s always been a

676
00:39:59,840 –> 00:40:03,000
troubling thing.
Repeated occurrences of changes

677
00:40:03,000 –> 00:40:05,600
calling for new or less
coordinated innovations.

678
00:40:06,040 –> 00:40:08,360
That’s probably what I said
about the eye, but it’s about a

679
00:40:08,360 –> 00:40:11,600
lot of other things.
Can you imagine evolving a heart

680
00:40:12,400 –> 00:40:16,440
that only beats once in a while?
Or lung power that isn’t

681
00:40:16,440 –> 00:40:19,760
sufficient.
To take care of the air capacity

682
00:40:19,880 –> 00:40:23,760
or any other organ that you need
the liver or the kidney to

683
00:40:23,760 –> 00:40:27,520
filter with your kidneys, what
if they didn’t work perfectly?

684
00:40:28,680 –> 00:40:31,920
I mean, this idea of a
coordinated innovation, Do you

685
00:40:31,920 –> 00:40:36,640
know how many different, how
many different changes you need

686
00:40:36,800 –> 00:40:43,080
to make?
The eye function, It’s about 10

687
00:40:43,640 –> 00:40:50,280
billion different changes.
You need to have the lens work

688
00:40:50,400 –> 00:40:53,720
system work perfectly.
You need to have the recording

689
00:40:53,720 –> 00:40:58,000
system with all those little
ends that sense the light.

690
00:40:58,560 –> 00:41:02,000
You need color coordination.
You need to store the images.

691
00:41:02,800 –> 00:41:04,680
Think of how wonderful the brain
is.

692
00:41:05,200 –> 00:41:09,240
You not only have the eye not
only takes in the data, it keeps

693
00:41:09,240 –> 00:41:12,320
sending pictures to your brain.
Many of us can remember an image

694
00:41:12,320 –> 00:41:17,760
we saw years ago, right that.
So that information is all there

695
00:41:17,760 –> 00:41:20,160
and it had to be there.
You think about an animal who

696
00:41:20,160 –> 00:41:23,440
has to see that information.
He’s got to now recognize his

697
00:41:23,440 –> 00:41:25,600
enemy.
He’s got to recognize his prey.

698
00:41:25,760 –> 00:41:28,760
All those images need the
storage capacity, so the eye

699
00:41:28,760 –> 00:41:33,800
cannot work independent of a lot
of changes in the brain in order

700
00:41:33,800 –> 00:41:36,960
to handle all that information
and store it and use it.

701
00:41:38,080 –> 00:41:41,880
And all of that had to evolve
like that because if the animal

702
00:41:41,880 –> 00:41:44,720
doesn’t store the information
about its enemy, it doesn’t use

703
00:41:44,720 –> 00:41:48,760
its eye very long, it gets
eaten, it becomes dinner.

704
00:41:49,840 –> 00:41:52,280
So all of those things have to
occur at the same time.

705
00:41:52,800 –> 00:41:54,560
Or let’s, let’s take another
case.

706
00:41:54,960 –> 00:41:57,080
Coordinated innovation goes
further than that.

707
00:41:57,400 –> 00:42:01,520
It’s coordination between two
very separate things.

708
00:42:02,880 –> 00:42:05,800
OK, we, we, we all know, I’ll
give you a couple examples, a

709
00:42:05,800 –> 00:42:09,200
simple example.
You all know about the birds and

710
00:42:09,200 –> 00:42:12,600
the bees, right?
Do you all know that trees and

711
00:42:12,680 –> 00:42:15,000
plant things have boy and girl?
Did you know that?

712
00:42:15,920 –> 00:42:18,280
Now I won’t ask you what’s the
difference because I really am

713
00:42:18,280 –> 00:42:21,640
afraid the answer I might get.
But I tell you, tell you many

714
00:42:21,640 –> 00:42:25,400
years ago I had a holly Bush and
that’s the thing, you know, with

715
00:42:25,400 –> 00:42:28,720
the little red berries on it.
And I when I bought this house,

716
00:42:28,720 –> 00:42:31,960
there were two holly bushes and
they weren’t doing well.

717
00:42:33,280 –> 00:42:36,080
So I called my father-in-law,
who was an expert in

718
00:42:36,080 –> 00:42:39,880
horticulture, and I said to him,
my holly bushes look terrible.

719
00:42:40,320 –> 00:42:43,280
And he, he says to me, well, the
trouble is there’s no boy holly

720
00:42:43,280 –> 00:42:45,120
bushes around.
And they’re rather depressed and

721
00:42:45,120 –> 00:42:47,760
sad.
And I thought, he’s pulling my

722
00:42:47,760 –> 00:42:50,480
leg.
A girl holly Bush and a boy

723
00:42:50,480 –> 00:42:52,240
holly Bush.
How do you tell the difference?

724
00:42:53,200 –> 00:42:57,160
So he came over the house and he
bought a horticultural book.

725
00:42:57,160 –> 00:42:58,960
And you know, there is a
difference.

726
00:42:58,960 –> 00:43:00,640
And I’m not going to tell you
what the difference is.

727
00:43:00,640 –> 00:43:03,080
You know, you have to lift up
the leaf to look.

728
00:43:03,240 –> 00:43:07,120
But the, the, the boy holly Bush
doesn’t have berries.

729
00:43:07,200 –> 00:43:11,200
OK, the girl one does.
So he planted a couple of boy

730
00:43:11,200 –> 00:43:15,600
holly bushes and within five to
six weeks, the other ones, they

731
00:43:15,600 –> 00:43:18,840
weren’t being cross pollinated.
And so the, the, the, the Bush

732
00:43:18,840 –> 00:43:22,160
was really not getting all its
energies up and it wasn’t,

733
00:43:22,240 –> 00:43:26,400
wasn’t functioning correctly.
How did this happen?

734
00:43:26,880 –> 00:43:29,200
Can you imagine?
Let’s evolve a girl holly Bush

735
00:43:29,200 –> 00:43:31,520
and OK, a million years later
we’ll have the boy holly Bush.

736
00:43:32,200 –> 00:43:34,200
Those all had to happen at the
same time.

737
00:43:35,040 –> 00:43:38,920
But let’s go a little further.
You have flowers, you have all

738
00:43:38,920 –> 00:43:41,800
these flowers and you have all
this, this, the sense of this,

739
00:43:41,800 –> 00:43:46,000
this around you.
How many of you, you realize

740
00:43:46,000 –> 00:43:48,800
that flowers in many, many
species, many trees are

741
00:43:48,800 –> 00:43:53,160
pollinated by bees, right?
So the bees have to go and they

742
00:43:53,160 –> 00:43:55,040
have to take the nectar.
That’s why I asked if you know

743
00:43:55,040 –> 00:43:57,040
about the birds and the bees,
and then they have to go to

744
00:43:57,040 –> 00:43:59,600
other ones and they bring the
pollen around with them, right?

745
00:44:00,360 –> 00:44:02,360
What happened before there were
bees?

746
00:44:07,120 –> 00:44:09,480
We wait 50 million years for the
bees to come along.

747
00:44:10,240 –> 00:44:12,320
Of course not.
Both of those things have to

748
00:44:12,320 –> 00:44:16,560
occur at the same time.
They have to be coordinated.

749
00:44:16,560 –> 00:44:17,920
And that’s what he’s talking
about.

750
00:44:18,160 –> 00:44:21,400
There are, there are literally
in this book, if you get a

751
00:44:21,400 –> 00:44:23,200
chance to read the Great
Evolution Mystery, there are

752
00:44:23,200 –> 00:44:26,840
literally thousands upon
thousands of things in nature

753
00:44:27,120 –> 00:44:30,640
that if they were not
coordinated, they couldn’t

754
00:44:30,640 –> 00:44:34,800
occur.
And so it’s not just one thing

755
00:44:34,800 –> 00:44:37,080
by accident.
You need lots and lots of

756
00:44:37,080 –> 00:44:40,800
accidents and they all have to
occur at the same time.

757
00:44:42,040 –> 00:44:45,280
To me, that means somebody had
to be planning it.

758
00:44:46,240 –> 00:44:48,920
To a biologist, the answer is,
oh, we don’t know.

759
00:44:48,920 –> 00:44:50,640
It’s an accident.
OK.

760
00:44:50,920 –> 00:44:53,520
I don’t have enough faith to
believe in accidents.

761
00:44:53,880 –> 00:44:56,680
I like the Bible explanation a
lot better.

762
00:44:57,400 –> 00:44:59,800
OK, let’s see what else we have
here.

763
00:45:01,160 –> 00:45:04,520
No new phyla have appeared and
no new classes or orders.

764
00:45:04,760 –> 00:45:07,720
That’s just what I read you from
First Corinthians 15.

765
00:45:08,120 –> 00:45:11,160
Everything that’s been found in
nature of the various phyla,

766
00:45:11,560 –> 00:45:13,720
fishes are still fishes.
Men are still men.

767
00:45:13,960 –> 00:45:16,680
You know, trees are sort of, you
know, fowls are still fat.

768
00:45:16,880 –> 00:45:20,440
They all remain the same.
There’s a lot of hand waving,

769
00:45:20,440 –> 00:45:22,400
right?
Birds are supposed to come from

770
00:45:22,400 –> 00:45:23,760
dinosaurs.
OK.

771
00:45:23,760 –> 00:45:26,120
And then two weeks later, I read
an article that maybe that’s not

772
00:45:26,120 –> 00:45:28,080
true.
Maybe dinosaurs came from birds.

773
00:45:29,640 –> 00:45:32,240
OK, And I’m serious.
Those both appeared about the

774
00:45:32,240 –> 00:45:36,800
same time.
OK, convergent and parallel

775
00:45:36,800 –> 00:45:39,320
existence of long term.
I, I, we can go on before

776
00:45:39,440 –> 00:45:41,520
appearance of organs, before
they are needed.

777
00:45:42,120 –> 00:45:46,560
OK, all of these that overshoot.
Oh yeah, this is this is

778
00:45:46,560 –> 00:45:49,920
interesting because, you know, I
showed you that model about how

779
00:45:49,920 –> 00:45:53,040
things get bigger and bigger and
brain cap capacity gets bigger.

780
00:45:53,400 –> 00:45:56,800
But that’s not necessarily true.
And the the woolly mammoth is a

781
00:45:56,800 –> 00:45:59,280
classic example.
The woolly mammoths are many

782
00:45:59,400 –> 00:46:03,480
much bigger brains appear to
have been much larger in size

783
00:46:03,480 –> 00:46:05,280
and stronger than present day
elephants.

784
00:46:05,400 –> 00:46:08,280
But they’re gone and the weaker
ones have survived.

785
00:46:08,880 –> 00:46:11,720
That’s not easy to understand.
That’s not so much for about

786
00:46:11,720 –> 00:46:15,200
from creation, but the
underpinning of the model of

787
00:46:15,200 –> 00:46:17,760
natural selection.
Natural selection doesn’t always

788
00:46:17,760 –> 00:46:20,040
work.
Sometimes a weaker species

789
00:46:20,040 –> 00:46:25,440
survives OK by the way they
choose to adapt themselves.

790
00:46:28,280 –> 00:46:32,440
This is the another sort of
classical 1A puzzle of how

791
00:46:32,440 –> 00:46:35,560
organs, once evolved, come to be
lost or be degenerate.

792
00:46:36,280 –> 00:46:40,080
Biologists have long argued
about what’s the use of the

793
00:46:40,080 –> 00:46:41,400
appendix.
I.

794
00:46:41,400 –> 00:46:44,040
I brought this up to someone and
he said, well, without that, a

795
00:46:44,040 –> 00:46:46,560
lot of doctors wouldn’t be
earning all this money from

796
00:46:46,560 –> 00:46:48,880
appendicitis.
And so, But, you know, that

797
00:46:48,880 –> 00:46:51,920
might be a joke.
But in fact, there’s no no one’s

798
00:46:51,920 –> 00:46:53,680
ever figured out the reason for
this.

799
00:46:59,120 –> 00:47:04,160
Let me see how many more we got.
I’ll just Oh yes, this is again

800
00:47:04,160 –> 00:47:09,400
another the failure some
organisms to evolve at all the

801
00:47:09,400 –> 00:47:15,360
people at Johns Hopkins Stanley,
who’s a who’s a similar type

802
00:47:15,360 –> 00:47:18,400
person from Ghoul, they’ve been
working on and off for the last

803
00:47:18,400 –> 00:47:21,840
2025 years on this.
He he has shown that some

804
00:47:21,840 –> 00:47:28,320
organisms never seem to evolve.
For example, a clam today the

805
00:47:28,320 –> 00:47:32,600
fossil would look identical to a
clam that you might find in a

806
00:47:32,600 –> 00:47:37,320
level 500 million years old.
No change whatsoever.

807
00:47:37,520 –> 00:47:41,320
In fact, many, many shellfish
have never ever evolved or

808
00:47:41,320 –> 00:47:44,680
changed at all.
And that’s, that’s kind of

809
00:47:44,680 –> 00:47:46,360
strange.
Why did some get triggered and

810
00:47:46,360 –> 00:47:49,520
some don’t?
What what is the mechanism that

811
00:47:49,720 –> 00:47:52,680
some species evolve and others
never, never change?

812
00:47:53,800 –> 00:47:56,400
The answer from biologists is we
don’t know.

813
00:47:57,680 –> 00:47:59,520
And so you have you have this
kind of thing.

814
00:47:59,720 –> 00:48:01,760
Maybe the normal kind of
thinking about evolution is

815
00:48:01,760 –> 00:48:03,400
everything gets bigger, better,
smarter.

816
00:48:04,800 –> 00:48:07,640
But in fact, in the real
evidence in fossils and in

817
00:48:07,640 –> 00:48:10,240
nature is that is almost never
true.

818
00:48:12,480 –> 00:48:14,200
There is no, there is not a
direct link.

819
00:48:14,200 –> 00:48:17,000
If you want to read this book,
it’s by Taylor and it’s called

820
00:48:17,000 –> 00:48:21,000
The Great Evolution Mystery, OK.
And I’ve found that one of the

821
00:48:21,000 –> 00:48:24,040
best ways to really get an
insight into what the thinking

822
00:48:24,040 –> 00:48:26,960
is among biologists and
evolutionists is to actually

823
00:48:26,960 –> 00:48:30,720
read their own writings.
Because the idea that everything

824
00:48:30,720 –> 00:48:34,400
is all figured out and they have
all the answers, this is not at

825
00:48:34,400 –> 00:48:37,840
all true.
It just is not does not appear

826
00:48:37,840 –> 00:48:39,680
in the in the literature that
way.

827
00:48:41,720 –> 00:48:45,200
I told you about this sort of
standard thing about the fish

828
00:48:45,240 –> 00:48:47,800
getting legs and then walking
out of sea.

829
00:48:48,120 –> 00:48:52,760
There was this cartoon some
years back and that now defunct

830
00:48:52,760 –> 00:48:57,360
British publication Punch.
But there’s 22 spacemen and

831
00:48:58,240 –> 00:49:01,720
they’re standing on a beach and
they’re watching 2 scuba divers

832
00:49:01,720 –> 00:49:04,040
coming out.
And they say, wait, we may just

833
00:49:04,040 –> 00:49:06,560
have landed at a significant
moment in this planet’s

834
00:49:06,560 –> 00:49:09,920
evolution.
So the idea this is sort of the

835
00:49:09,920 –> 00:49:13,720
common fiction that that man
evolved from the sea.

836
00:49:13,920 –> 00:49:16,880
But the real fact of the matter
is that it is worth poking fun

837
00:49:16,880 –> 00:49:20,040
at because there is not one
single piece, piece of evidence

838
00:49:20,040 –> 00:49:24,160
to prove it.
OK, I’ll stop at this point and

839
00:49:24,720 –> 00:49:26,840
I promise to leave some time for
questions.

840
00:49:27,360 –> 00:49:31,080
And I and on the on the topic
and the nature of the universe,

841
00:49:31,080 –> 00:49:35,320
just small questions, OK.
And I’ll be glad to answer them.

842
00:49:36,120 –> 00:49:38,520
And if I don’t get questions, I
usually give a quiz.

843
00:49:38,520 –> 00:49:40,000
So help me out.
Yeah.

844
00:49:40,000 –> 00:49:46,320
Ben.
Oh, I think the earth is very

845
00:49:46,320 –> 00:49:49,320
old.
I I don’t know exactly, but

846
00:49:49,320 –> 00:49:52,760
it’s, it’s pretty old.
The, the, if you look at Genesis

847
00:49:52,760 –> 00:49:58,480
1.
And I think it’s dangerous to

848
00:49:58,480 –> 00:50:01,160
get into dating things that we
don’t have totally firm

849
00:50:01,160 –> 00:50:03,000
evidence.
But but the earth is very, very

850
00:50:03,000 –> 00:50:05,360
old.
He says in the beginning God

851
00:50:05,360 –> 00:50:07,320
created the heaven and the
earth.

852
00:50:08,280 –> 00:50:10,120
And so God did.
That was the first thing he did.

853
00:50:10,120 –> 00:50:13,760
Then he said the earth was
without form and void and

854
00:50:13,760 –> 00:50:17,240
darkness was upon the face of
the deep, and the Spirit of God

855
00:50:17,240 –> 00:50:18,840
moved upon the face of the
water.

856
00:50:18,840 –> 00:50:23,680
So when God set up to create the
present order of things, he, he

857
00:50:23,680 –> 00:50:26,360
was already building on what he
had earlier created.

858
00:50:26,800 –> 00:50:32,280
And whatever was here before, it
probably messed up and he

859
00:50:32,280 –> 00:50:36,560
started all over again.
But I, I think, you know, I

860
00:50:36,560 –> 00:50:39,560
think the Earth has been used
for other purposes in the past.

861
00:50:39,560 –> 00:50:41,360
I think the evidence of it is
pretty obvious.

862
00:50:41,360 –> 00:50:43,360
We’re not the only thing God has
ever created.

863
00:50:43,360 –> 00:50:47,680
And I think it would be pretty
ego egocentric of us to think we

864
00:50:47,680 –> 00:50:49,080
were.
Yeah.

865
00:50:54,480 –> 00:50:57,240
The Big Bang theory.
What’s the latest Big Bang

866
00:50:57,240 –> 00:50:59,760
Theory?
There was a Big Bang in the

867
00:50:59,840 –> 00:51:04,760
universe.
Well, you notice you just said

868
00:51:04,760 –> 00:51:09,680
The Big Bang theory and there
were about 20 different Big Bang

869
00:51:09,680 –> 00:51:14,200
theories.
And it doesn’t have too much to

870
00:51:14,200 –> 00:51:17,000
do with with evolution.
Yeah.

871
00:51:17,000 –> 00:51:20,640
The, the, the interesting thing
about The Big Bang theory is

872
00:51:20,640 –> 00:51:23,680
whatever model you take, it’s an
admission by scientists that

873
00:51:23,680 –> 00:51:28,360
they must have at one time or
other been a creation until,

874
00:51:28,360 –> 00:51:31,360
until, you know, until this
century, actually, until about

875
00:51:31,360 –> 00:51:35,040
40 years ago, most scientists
believe the universe was forever

876
00:51:35,320 –> 00:51:39,600
and it always existed and they
didn’t believe there was ever a

877
00:51:39,600 –> 00:51:42,720
creation.
So The Big Bang and whatever

878
00:51:42,720 –> 00:51:45,800
model you, you put, is it
admission by scientists that

879
00:51:45,800 –> 00:51:48,960
there was a time when the
universe had to be created?

880
00:51:49,520 –> 00:51:54,520
As far as the specific Big Bang
Theory, I I wouldn’t even begin

881
00:51:54,520 –> 00:51:57,920
to argue about a theory because
I’m, you know, I’m not, I don’t

882
00:51:57,920 –> 00:52:00,640
think any of them are, are, are
solvable right now.

883
00:52:03,760 –> 00:52:14,840
Yep,
right.

884
00:52:21,880 –> 00:52:27,440
I mean, the way the scripture is
presented, Oh, I, I, I, I don’t

885
00:52:27,440 –> 00:52:30,280
think that science has a, a good
model for creation.

886
00:52:31,160 –> 00:52:34,280
I mean, if, if you go by what
Ghoul was saying, he they take

887
00:52:34,280 –> 00:52:36,240
it, he takes it to be an
accident.

888
00:52:46,040 –> 00:53:09,480
Yeah.
OK, that’s it.

889
00:53:09,480 –> 00:53:12,800
That’s a fairpoint.
And someone, someone who

890
00:53:13,400 –> 00:53:16,440
believes in Darwin, says we need
more and more evidence.

891
00:53:16,440 –> 00:53:19,040
OK, They’ve had 150 years to
look for this evidence.

892
00:53:19,560 –> 00:53:23,400
And in fact, the evidence has
contradicted the original model.

893
00:53:24,160 –> 00:53:25,960
OK, This is exactly what Ghoul
says.

894
00:53:25,960 –> 00:53:28,440
So we do not see gradual
changes, period.

895
00:53:28,440 –> 00:53:31,360
We don’t see it.
So Darwin’s a middle original

896
00:53:31,360 –> 00:53:35,760
model, in fact is almost
universally accepted as being

897
00:53:35,760 –> 00:53:37,520
wrong today.
All right.

898
00:53:37,720 –> 00:53:41,160
And So what it what has come
about is that people like Ghoul

899
00:53:41,160 –> 00:53:44,880
and others are now calling a
being called Neo Darwinist a new

900
00:53:44,880 –> 00:53:47,280
Darwinist because they don’t
want to admit that there was any

901
00:53:47,280 –> 00:53:52,560
design or creation.
So they have this new model of

902
00:53:52,560 –> 00:53:54,800
accidents.
So I would say that the first

903
00:53:54,800 –> 00:53:58,480
point is that the Darwinism as a
theory has already been proven

904
00:53:58,480 –> 00:54:00,000
wrong.
Just to correct what you said,

905
00:54:00,360 –> 00:54:03,840
the the theory of gradual change
evolving better and better has

906
00:54:03,840 –> 00:54:05,800
been proven wrong by the very
evidence.

907
00:54:05,880 –> 00:54:08,520
OK.
Second point, that doesn’t prove

908
00:54:08,520 –> 00:54:10,960
the creation.
And you’re, you’re absolutely

909
00:54:10,960 –> 00:54:13,240
right.
At some point you have to accept

910
00:54:13,560 –> 00:54:16,520
faith.
The the difference, I would say,

911
00:54:16,520 –> 00:54:19,840
in the way I would believe faith
is that the Scripture says that

912
00:54:19,960 –> 00:54:22,600
faith is the substance of things
hoped for.

913
00:54:22,920 –> 00:54:26,160
So the Bible has confirmed its
word in other ways, through

914
00:54:26,160 –> 00:54:29,680
prophecy, through history,
through its moral presence,

915
00:54:29,840 –> 00:54:33,200
through other things that we can
say make sense and are good and

916
00:54:33,200 –> 00:54:36,640
in themselves give me confidence
that that’s the word of God.

917
00:54:36,960 –> 00:54:40,440
So if I, if I, if I have a, a
model of something and I find

918
00:54:40,600 –> 00:54:42,560
that this fits, that fits, that
fits.

919
00:54:42,800 –> 00:54:45,520
And I look at prophecy and I
look at the moral teachings and

920
00:54:45,520 –> 00:54:48,120
I look at what the Jesus Christ
has presented and everything,

921
00:54:48,440 –> 00:54:50,400
then I, I feel much more
comfortable.

922
00:54:50,480 –> 00:54:52,920
And when I said earlier, I said,
I, I don’t, I don’t have enough

923
00:54:52,920 –> 00:54:58,440
faith to believe in Darwin, but
I do have enough faith to

924
00:54:58,440 –> 00:55:00,840
believe in what the scriptures
is teaching.

925
00:55:00,920 –> 00:55:02,160
And that’s the way I would look
at it.

926
00:55:02,160 –> 00:55:06,680
At some point when we have not
actually been there and

927
00:55:06,680 –> 00:55:08,840
witnessed it, faith does take
over.

928
00:55:09,000 –> 00:55:11,240
But faith isn’t doesn’t have to
be blind.

929
00:55:12,280 –> 00:55:13,760
And I think that’s the
difference.

930
00:55:14,840 –> 00:55:18,680
So I think the evidence that the
Bible presents comes at many

931
00:55:18,680 –> 00:55:21,520
different levels and to me is
logical.

932
00:55:22,480 –> 00:55:25,440
But it to for me to say to you
while I was there and I saw the

933
00:55:25,440 –> 00:55:27,080
creation, well, obviously I
can’t do that.

934
00:55:27,080 –> 00:55:28,480
At some point we have to have
that faith.

935
00:55:28,840 –> 00:55:31,360
Now that’s important because
none of us have ever seen the

936
00:55:31,360 –> 00:55:36,240
resurrection either.
So we we have to at some point

937
00:55:36,240 –> 00:55:39,880
to have faith in God that the
two things he did do, create and

938
00:55:40,040 –> 00:55:42,200
give eternal life are going to
actually happen.

939
00:55:42,320 –> 00:55:44,440
It’s got to be based on
everything else is in between in

940
00:55:44,440 –> 00:55:47,200
the scriptures and see if that
model makes us comfortable.

941
00:55:49,600 –> 00:55:52,640
Fair enough.
OK, yeah.

942
00:55:52,640 –> 00:56:00,720
We, I, I think what I would like
to see taught in the classroom

943
00:56:00,720 –> 00:56:04,200
and what I finally convinced my
son’s high school to do is to

944
00:56:04,200 –> 00:56:06,160
give me an hour to talk to the
class.

945
00:56:08,320 –> 00:56:11,280
They never did that again for
the other, for Peter.

946
00:56:11,280 –> 00:56:13,520
And I’m sure in Sunny Hills they
wouldn’t, wouldn’t not be near

947
00:56:13,520 –> 00:56:17,000
the building.
I think they ought to at least

948
00:56:17,040 –> 00:56:21,680
let young people know that it is
a theory, that there are other

949
00:56:22,520 –> 00:56:28,160
competing ideas, and that that
creation by design and by a God,

950
00:56:28,160 –> 00:56:30,680
and I don’t think you have to
shove anything down their throat

951
00:56:30,680 –> 00:56:34,240
specifically, is also something
that ought to be considered.

952
00:56:34,400 –> 00:56:36,120
I’d be happy enough if they do
that.

953
00:56:36,480 –> 00:56:37,400
I don’t think they have to teach
that.

954
00:56:37,400 –> 00:56:40,320
I certainly don’t want to teach
in creation science and young

955
00:56:40,320 –> 00:56:42,800
Earth and all that, because I
don’t think that’s right either.

956
00:56:43,040 –> 00:56:46,120
But I think they ought to at
least be honest to young people

957
00:56:46,120 –> 00:56:48,840
and say this is a model.
The model has a lot of

958
00:56:48,840 –> 00:56:51,360
experimental problems.
There’s a lot of evidence

959
00:56:51,360 –> 00:56:53,640
lacking.
Scientists themselves are not

960
00:56:53,640 –> 00:56:56,720
fully convinced of it.
And there is another alternative

961
00:56:56,720 –> 00:57:00,000
taught through faith by by most
major religions, not just

962
00:57:00,280 –> 00:57:03,040
Christians, by the way, the
Quran and others teach, teach

963
00:57:03,040 –> 00:57:05,880
also God’s creation.
And they ought to at least spend

964
00:57:06,000 –> 00:57:10,120
20 minutes telling children, you
know, that there is more than

965
00:57:10,120 –> 00:57:12,440
one way to look at this.
I’d be happy if they do that.

966
00:57:12,440 –> 00:57:14,320
I’ve been arguing.
I’ll tell you something else

967
00:57:14,320 –> 00:57:16,800
that happened.
Any of you get Scientific

968
00:57:16,800 –> 00:57:21,000
American.
OK, then I’ll talk.

969
00:57:21,320 –> 00:57:25,720
I won’t.
I won’t bring it up, but if you

970
00:57:25,720 –> 00:57:27,840
haven’t read the article, this,
this, there’s no point.

971
00:57:28,920 –> 00:57:32,200
I I may publish something on
this in commercial on the

972
00:57:32,200 –> 00:57:33,640
tidings in the next couple of
months.

973
00:57:33,680 –> 00:57:44,800
OK, Yeah.
So what do you think about that?

974
00:57:50,520 –> 00:57:53,240
Well, yeah, I read something
about that too, but that that

975
00:57:53,240 –> 00:57:57,680
was a speculation.
Frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me

976
00:57:57,680 –> 00:57:59,360
if there was life elsewhere in
the universe.

977
00:57:59,360 –> 00:58:00,800
I would.
I would think that God is a God

978
00:58:00,800 –> 00:58:03,520
of creation if he’s going to
fill the earth with his glory,

979
00:58:03,520 –> 00:58:04,760
fill the universe with his
glory.

980
00:58:04,760 –> 00:58:07,560
So I just don’t know about it
and I don’t know what he’s done.

981
00:58:12,680 –> 00:58:15,600
The main problem of finding and
proving life within our own

982
00:58:15,600 –> 00:58:18,480
solar system is that anything we
send out there, you know, might

983
00:58:18,480 –> 00:58:21,040
contaminate it.
And all we’ll bring back is

984
00:58:21,040 –> 00:58:23,680
something we are we put there
ourselves.

985
00:58:24,720 –> 00:58:30,320
But I personally think that that
God has no other intelligent

986
00:58:30,320 –> 00:58:33,640
life in this, you know, in this,
in this solar, you know, this

987
00:58:33,640 –> 00:58:36,040
whole solar system.
We’re we’re quarantined.

988
00:58:37,520 –> 00:58:39,400
I mean, would you let anyone
else near us?

989
00:58:41,240 –> 00:58:43,800
I mean, you got to realize that
the, the Earth and our solar

990
00:58:43,800 –> 00:58:45,880
system is like on the fringe of
the Galaxy.

991
00:58:46,320 –> 00:58:49,040
We’re not in the densely
populated star part of the

992
00:58:49,040 –> 00:58:51,360
Galaxy.
I mean, if, if you know, if this

993
00:58:51,360 –> 00:58:54,840
is the galactic center over here
somewhere like over, if I can

994
00:58:54,840 –> 00:58:57,440
get this thing to work.
If we, this is the galactic

995
00:58:57,440 –> 00:59:01,640
center, we’re way out here at
the fringe and we’re a long way

996
00:59:01,640 –> 00:59:04,280
from the galactic center and,
and, and, and we’re in a very,

997
00:59:04,880 –> 00:59:08,160
very sparsely populated part of
the universe.

998
00:59:08,440 –> 00:59:10,880
I think, I don’t think it’s
entirely an accident.

999
00:59:12,240 –> 00:59:15,120
I mean, I, I wouldn’t let
anywhere near this race.

1000
00:59:17,800 –> 00:59:22,040
Yeah, sure.
I’m not a geologist, though.

1001
00:59:22,040 –> 00:59:24,080
I may I may, I may not be able
to answer it.

1002
00:59:41,080 –> 00:59:43,320
Oh, I, that, that one, I can’t
answer for you.

1003
00:59:43,920 –> 00:59:47,040
They did a chemical analysis on
it and it was very similar to

1004
00:59:47,040 –> 00:59:50,600
some stuff that was sent back
from data recording from the,

1005
00:59:50,800 –> 00:59:55,280
the, the probe that they landed
on Mars, the Viking probe.

1006
00:59:56,000 –> 00:59:58,080
So there was a, there was a
great deal of similarity and

1007
00:59:58,080 –> 01:00:02,520
they think that maybe a
meteorite, a very large one, hit

1008
01:00:02,520 –> 01:00:05,040
Mars, knocked something in the
orbit and we got some of that

1009
01:00:05,040 –> 01:00:07,560
debris.
But I, I think to be careful,

1010
01:00:07,560 –> 01:00:09,680
you know?
They they did say, if I remember

1011
01:00:09,680 –> 01:00:11,840
the article I read that there
was a high probability.

1012
01:00:13,000 –> 01:00:14,080
I don’t think they could have
dent.

1013
01:00:16,440 –> 01:00:20,520
Well, if it was in the LA Times
then what can I say?

1014
01:00:21,800 –> 01:00:23,440
Was it in the New York Times
too?

1015
01:00:26,600 –> 01:00:29,320
I I’m getting the signal to I
think I’m going to be pulled off

1016
01:00:30,520 –> 01:00:31,160
anyway.
Thanks.

1017
01:00:31,160 –> 01:00:33,720
Thanks a lot.
It’s been a pleasure to to visit

1018
01:00:33,720 –> 01:00:36,960
and if anyone wants to stick
around until they throw me out,

1019
01:00:36,960 –> 01:00:38,200
I’ll be glad to talk to you
more.

1020
01:00:38,200 –> 01:00:53,540
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1021
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