145: David Hill – Exhortation: Myths and Facts about Depression

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Welcome to good for selfie and
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I’m Levi and I’m Chris and I’m
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We post a new episode of the
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intro.
Hand to kind of set the stage

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You’re about to listen to and

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now let’s talk more about this
week’s talk.

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This was class is by Brother
David Hill on the topic of

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depression.
He gave this as an excitation at

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the Mount Barker meeting on
February 28th of this year.

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This class was absolutely
excellent.

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This at this education.
Excuse me.

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I really really, really enjoyed
it.

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I think it actually spoke
directly to me specifically at

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the beginning when he talked
about common criticisms that we

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make of brothers and sisters,
who deal with mental health

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issues.
And he does it in a really

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tactful and Powerful way.
I’m kind of being very clear on

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just some of the mistakes that
we can make in working with our

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brothers and sisters, who might
have mental, health struggle,

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I’m excited, too, excited to
share this education.

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It was definitely beneficial to
me.

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This was given to us as a
suggestion, right?

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After we posted episode 125,
which was an education.

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Also fi, Brother David.
And I also wanted to mention

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still one of my favorite class.
We Said, which is that the same

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topic by Brother Philip
Davidson, which, is episode 37.

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So, if you want kind of more of
brother, he’ll episode 125, and

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if you want to hear more about
depression episode, episode, 37

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is absolutely excellent.
Thanks again to the brother that

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submitted this one and here is
where the David Hills excitation

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from February 28th.
Anxiety in the heart causes

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depression.
Did you know that those words

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come from the Bible?
That’s How most modern

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translations render.
Proverbs 12 verse 25.

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You see, anxiety, and depression
aren’t foreign to the Bible.

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Have you come here this morning
brother or sister?

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Weighed down with a feeling of
depression, or with anxious

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thoughts.
Do you often feel that you

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suffer alone unwilling or unable
to share with others that you

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are depressed or the you are
suffering from anxiety this

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morning brother and sisters in a
careful and respectful way to

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those who suffer terribly in
this way.

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We want to look at what the
Bible has to say on this topic

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because it actually has a lot to
say.

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And it can provide all of us
with a lot of comfort and a

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source of Hope in these
difficult times.

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And it could also lead us Riders
will see to the feet of our

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Lord, Jesus who suffered in all
things like as we do.

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Obviously, without sin.
But before we do that, we really

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have to begin by debunking or
busting a few myths, that sadly

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still remain in our community.
They’re not things that we would

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ever say out loud.
But there’s sadly things that

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many of us still feel deep down
inside ingrained in our psyche,

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perhaps the way we were brought
up perhaps the way we think

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about mental illness.
There’s seven myths, will

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endeavor to bust as it were in
the first is that depression

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itself isn’t real.
Yeah, it’s oppression can be

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particularly challenging to
suffer from in our community.

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Because sadly, as I said many
misconceptions and stigmas still

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remain around this most
difficult of topics.

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One is a deep centered
skepticism.

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That it’s actually even real.
The perhaps depression is just

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hypochondria dressed up as
another name.

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Perhaps it’s simply the
consequence of an increasingly

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soft and self-absorbed society.
That all these people who are

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softer than perhaps generations
of the past self absorbed with

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the sort of ubiquitous selfie
and that, that is why Depression

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is talked about so much more
today that it’s not really real.

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It’s just the symptom of that
kind of society that reality

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that we all know is that
depression is very real.

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It affects the ability of our
brains to function properly.

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It’s not something.
That we should be ashamed of.

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And it’s certainly something
that’s not shameful at all.

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After all, as we saw in our
opening remarks, even the Bible

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recognizes it as an illness.
Which is exactly what it is.

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The second myth depression is
purely circumstantial.

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Yes, there is clinical
depression but any other form is

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just a circumstance.
And yes, it is very true.

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That depression can often be
triggered by a very unfortunate

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circumstance, a tragedy or an
affliction.

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But does that make it any less
real?

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Main take stress, for example.
Heart disease can be triggered

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by stress.
Does that mean that?

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Just because it’s triggered by a
circumstance, a stress in our

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life that heart disease is any
less real Of course, it doesn’t.

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Why then do we sometimes Harbor?
As I said we don’t come out and

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say it out loud.
But why do we sometimes Harbor

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this cynicism or skepticism?
About depression or anxiety or

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other forms of mental illness.
Third depression is just

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laziness dressed up as an
illness.

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Again we would never come out
and say this, you’d never say

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that to a brother or sister.
You’re not depressed.

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You just lazy.
But again, sadly in our

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community views like this.
Can be deeply-held. in our

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minds, in our psyche, in our
attitude to people, Someone

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who’s suffering from depression?
Is already suffering enough.

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To have someone imply that
they’re not doing enough.

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You think about it brother and
sisters when someone in our

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closure suffers from a physical
illness?

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A disease or an illness, we
might be more familiar or

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comfortable with we rush around
to their home with meals and

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support.
The care is very evident.

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Is it the same?
When one of our numbers suffers

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from depression from anxiety or
mental illness, do we have the

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same care?
Do we show the Same Love.

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Or do we sometimes meet their
suffering?

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With a bit of a dose of
skepticism or cynicism.

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The next two are a little more
Sinister, but again.

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Would never be openly perhaps
discussed or people wouldn’t

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openly necessarily come out and
say them perhaps outside of a

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family home.
But the fourth myth is that

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depression is a sin.
We’d never say it.

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But do we imply that you see,
there’s many who heart privately

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Harbor that view, what, where,
where would you ever get such a

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notion that an illness?
Depression can be a sin.

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Well, the narrative essentially
goes like this, why ever would a

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man or woman of Faith, who
trusts in God?

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Why would they ever be
distressed or depressed?

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We know that Paul in Romans 14
verse 23, says that whatsoever

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is not of faith is sin.
And so the narrative goes that

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clearly to be depressed, implies
a lack of faith.

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If we had that trust and faith,
we wouldn’t feel that way.

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And so therefore it must be sin
will not only would that be a

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gross misinterpretation of what
Paul was talking about.

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It’s incredibly unfair.
Depression is an illness.

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It’s not a sin.
Would we ever go up to somebody

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who was suffering from cancer?
and say, well, if you had just

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been a little more faithful, You
wouldn’t be suffering this.

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You wouldn’t be feeling the
effects of cancer. but do we

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sometimes project the impression
or make others feel that if

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they’re suffering from a mental
illness, from depression, or

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anxiety, that perhaps it’s a
function of a lack of faith It

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ought not to be.
The 5th myth.

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Depression is a consequence.
Of sin.

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Again we wouldn’t come out and
say this, but sadly, still to

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this day when people suffer
physically, but also mentally we

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somehow imply, that will clearly
they’re depressed.

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Look at their life, look at
their life choices.

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Look at the sin of committed.
I mean, of course they ought to

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be depressed.
Of course, that’s why they feel

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down.
Perhaps we imply that in words

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to that effect, that depression
is a consequence of sin.

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Brothers, sisters depression is
not the fault.

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Of someone.
And it’s certainly not a

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punishment from God for sin.
Jesus was really clear on that,

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wasn’t he?
When he spoke about the blind,

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man, he said, look, it’s not a
consequence of his or his

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parents sinned, but he was born
blind. so the consequence of any

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sin or any sin of anybody else
that we might suffer, The

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illness, the tragic illness of
feeling or being chemically

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depressed.
Anxious suffering, deep anxiety,

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and other forms of mental
illness. and then the sixth that

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sometimes sort of pleasantly
endeavored to be conveyed, in

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cards or sentiments The
depression will just go away.

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If we just prayed loads, you
know, We’re praying for you,

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which is a lovely thing to say,
of course.

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And we should but do we give the
impression that if somebody just

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prayed, more read, more
meditated, more praised more,

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was that the meetings more than
wolf, Depression would just fly

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away.
On the wings of dawn.

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Or would be fine.
I think about a brother and

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sisters, do we say that to
someone with a brain tumor?

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You know, like double down on
prayer and it’ll just go away.

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We would never say that.
Would we rather and sisters

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would never say such a thing to
someone suffering depression?

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Someone deeply anxious.
But do we imply it sometimes is

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it is it sort of somewhere deep
here in the back of our minds?

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Yes, God can cure mental illness
just as he can physical, but the

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way often does that, is through
the medium of skilled

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professionals able to help us.
Now thought long and hard and

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ebbed and flowed as to whether
to say the next the next myth

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and I pray that you’ll forgive
me if this is hurtful to anyone

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that’s suffered in this way.
But the seventh.

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Myth, is that suicide?
Is the unforgivable sin?

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It’s not.
Blasphemy against the Holy

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Spirit.
Is the unforgivable sin?

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You know, when one succumbs to a
physical illness, we often say

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that they died of natural
causes.

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Why do we make it different?
if someone so tragically

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succumbs to their mental
illness, why do we distinguish

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Some people die of a broken
heart.

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Some people heartbreakingly die
of broken Minds.

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It’s not the unforgivable sin.
So there are some of the

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misconceptions that as I said we
would never talk about often out

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loud but perhaps we hold them.
And they’re not true. but

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they’re certainly not helpful to
us when we suffer Or when

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someone else suffers deep pain
often all alone.

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So, We come sometimes, don’t we
to a memorial meeting?

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We say, does anyone feel like
me?

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Just God know how I feel.
Does Jesus know how I feel to my

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brother and sisters know how I
feel do the do the Great’s, the

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icons of the Bible, know how I
feel.

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Well yes, they most certainly
do.

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Let’s have a look at some of the
extraordinary characters of The

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Bible, icons greats of Faith,
men and women Brethren and

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sisters, who will absolutely be
in the Kingdom.

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And let’s look at the anguish,
the anxiety, the depression, the

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Deep feeling of depression, that
many of them faced.

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I’m going to run through these.
We won’t be able to turn them

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all up, but let’s start with
Moses.

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Moses the friend of God, the
servant of God, an extraordinary

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figure in the Bible.
But the weight of leadership of

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the people got to him,
physically mentally, emotionally

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spiritually.
So, the point where he plunged

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into deep depression, listen to
these words, numbers 11 verse

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10, God, why have you brought
this trouble on your servant?

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What have I done to displease
you, that you put the burden of

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all these people on me.
They keep wailing to me give us

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meat sweet.
I cannot carry all these.

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People by myself.
The burden is too heavy for me

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now.
None of the versus I’ll quote

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from our all my paraphrasing.
These are all straight from the

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NIV.
This is what Moses says.

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If this is how you are going to
treat me, please go ahead and

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kill me.
Kill me. that’s Moses brother

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and sisters the friend of God,
asking God if this is how it’s

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going to be I’m out.
Take my life.

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That’s Moses.
What about David?

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The beautiful thing with God is
he looks past Our anxiety, our

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depression to the essence of who
we are, and he loves that.

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David was a man after God’s Own
Heart, but he suffered

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extraordinary, despondency
despair, deep depression, some

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after Psalm that either he wrote
or that, I believe was written

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about him.
Let me read you.

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These Psalm 31 verse 7, you
know, the anguish of my soul, I

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am in distress.
My eyes grow weak, my life is

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consumed by anguish and my years
both groaning I’ve become like

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broken pottery.
Psalm 38 46, I’m bowed down and

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brought very low.
I am utterly crushed.

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Like grown in anguish of Heart.
Lord, my sign is not hid from

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you, my heart pounds, my
strength fails me, even the

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light is gone from my eyes.
My pain is ever with me.

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Psalm 42 verse 3, my tears have
been my food day and night these

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things.
I remember, as I pour out, my

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soul, how are used to go to the
house of God?

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Why am I so love you downcast?
Why so, Disturbed Within Me,

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Psalm 77 verse 2 at night, I
stretched out untiring hands and

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I would not be comforted.
I groaned and my spirit grew

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faint.
You kept my eyes from closing.

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I was too troubled to speak.
We ever felt like this.

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This is David.
Yeah.

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Brother and sisters.
The honesty of David is immense

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Comfort to Brethren and sisters
today who try their best.

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It grinds against the
extraordinary, adversities in

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life.
In the organ of their brain.

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That doesn’t function like other
people’s, and they resonate with

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David.
Thank God.

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This is here.
Psalm 102 our reading for today,

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are reading this week, my days,
vanish like smoke.

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My heart is sick.
The New Living Translation says,

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I forget to eat my food.
I have no interest in food.

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In my distress, I groaned aloud,
I lie awake, I eat ashes as my

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food and mingle my drink with
tears.

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For you of taking me up and
throwing me aside.

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Psalm 134 verse for my spirit,
grows faint within me.

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My heart within me is dismayed
my spirit fails.

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That’s the man.
After God’s Own Heart, brother,

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and sisters.
There is hope.

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There is love for every single
one of us, no matter how our

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brains make us think about
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Think of Elijah.
Elijah will Herald the return of

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the Lord Jesus Christ.
But this was a man who suffered

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great loneliness, a feeling of
absolute self-defeat and

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complete despondency 1 Kings, 19
verse 4.

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He came to a broom Bush said
under it and prayed that he

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might die.
Straight from the NIV.

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I have had enough, Lord.
I’ve had enough.

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I’m done.
I don’t even want to live

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anymore. he said to God, take my
life, This is the man who will

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lead the return of the Lord.
Jesus Christ.

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A great man and icon.
Maybe some of you have felt a

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bit like that, we never alone.
We’re not alone, will see that

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God’s with us.
And so we stand with these icons

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of Faith.
Think of Jobe.

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This one is extraordinarily
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We get that he suffered at an
unprecedented level.

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And clearly it, manifested it in
the way he felt and he was

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honest with God and with others
about exactly how he fell.

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Jove three verse one job,
cursed.

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The day of his birth.
Why did I not perish at Birth?

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Why is light given to those in
misery to those who long for

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death?
Why are you keeping me alive?

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God, he saying, Who longed for
death that doesn’t come sighing

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has become my daily food, my
groans pour out like water, I

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have no peace, no quietness, I
have no rest, but only turmoil.

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Jobe 6 verse 8, I do that.
God would be willing to crush me

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to lose his hand and cut off my
life, Jobe 9 verse 21.

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I despise my own life, Jobe 10
verse 1.

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I loathe my very life.
I wish I had died before any, I

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saw me job. 17 verse 1.
My spirit is broken.

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This from the one?
God describes like, Moses as my

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servant.
What about Jeremiah?

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He’s known as the weeping
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An extraordinary, man.
Did amazing things for God but

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he felt it and he was often
depressed.

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Often Melancholy often anxious,
wasn’t some sort of pop up

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little character in a picture
book, a kids book, he was a real

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man and he suffered immensely in
his life much of it mentally.

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Jeremiah 15.
Verse 10.

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Alas.
My mother that you gave me

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birth.
I wish I had never lived.

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Jeremiah 20 verse 7, cursed, be
the day, I was born.

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Why did I ever come out of the
womb to see trouble and sorrow

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and to, to end my days in shame.
Lamentations, 3, verse 15.

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He has filled me with bitter
herbs and given me Gall to

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drink.
He has broken my teeth with

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gravel.
He has trampled me into the

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dust.
My soul is downcast within me.

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We could go on brother and
sisters, I’ll finish with Jonah.

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Also an extraordinary profit.
But we see his despondency is

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destroy his dejection, his
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Jonah 4, verse 3 now Lord, take
away my life.

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For, it’s better for me to die.
Than to live.

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So brother or sister.
Those of you we don’t know about

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who come here.
Brave face.

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Smiles.
And suffer in silence.

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Just about every day.
And those we do know about,

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You’re not alone.
You stand with great people.

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Of incredible Faith with Moses
with David.

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With Jeremiah.
You’re not alone.

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You know, when we feel
depressed.

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We feel anxious. feels like
we’re in a big hole that we just

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can’t get out of Feels like
we’re caught in a net that we

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just can’t break free from.
So what does the Bible say?

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To comfort us.
When we feel like this now don’t

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worry those of you who are
suffering that way, I’m not

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going to quote those verses that
do nothing for you.

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I get that, you know, the verses
that say you’re troubled but God

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will wipe away all that in an
instant.

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Because sometimes that doesn’t
resonate.

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It doesn’t help us necessarily
when we’re feeling that way.

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What however can we cling to
absolutely?

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When we feel this way.
And there’s six points that I’d

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like to go through for all of
us.

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Who are either suffering from
depression today?

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Well, mail will suffer before
the return of our Lord Jesus.

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What can we cling to?
The first point, which we’ve

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already seen to some extent is
that we are not cut off from

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God.
We are not cut off from God.

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We are never ever alone.
Our God is always with us in the

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depths of our despair in the
good times and the bad Psalm, 34

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Verse 18.
The Lord is close to the

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Brokenhearted and to those who
are crushed Crushed in spirit.

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You know, there’s a beautiful
thing about the think, the

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faithfulness of God, and it’s
this weather and sisters and

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this is really important.
We ought to be so grateful that

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the faithfulness of God doesn’t
depend on hours.

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It’s not like you says, if your
faith will all be faithful,

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that’s the deal.
He is faithful.

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That is why.
The Apostle Paul could say, I am

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convinced that nothing will ever
separate us from the love of

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Christ, and the love of our God.
As I said before, with people

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like David God and Jesus see
through to the heart, to the

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essence of us and they love
that.

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Because brother and sisters,
let’s be honest.

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One of the challenges when we
are depressed and anxious

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anxious is that our brain,
tricks us into many things.

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It doesn’t function as it
ordinarily would Prayer

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meditation.
Reading praise, it’s not easy.

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When we feel depressed, you
know, the the weapons of our

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Warfare, the breastplate of
faith.

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Can sometimes lie dormant and
our feet when we are depressed.

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It’s not easy.
Even reading the Bible because

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it can sometimes it words on a
page.

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It’s not how we’re feeling.
It doesn’t resonate with us.

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Our God knows all that his Love
Changes not.

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How good is it, that the
unchangeable steadfast love of

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God is not contingent upon us
with our changeable and volatile

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hearts and Minds.
And I want to say something else

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here that I’m sure you picked up
from the examples of Moses of

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David of Elijah of Jeremiah of
Jonah and of Joe. and that is,

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God seeks authentic
relationships.

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Just as every parent here, he
wants real relationships, he

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doesn’t want stiff fake
artificial relationships.

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God was not intimidated or
deterred by the honesty of David

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of Jeremiah.
They would language, is

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confronting they questioned,
God.

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They challenged God, they
implore God, they say take my

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life.
We honest and open authentic, or

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wooden with God.
Do we pour out our hearts to

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him?
He’s not intimidated by our

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doubts, our frustrations, our
fears, our our anxieties, he

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wants to hear it, which parent
here would not want to hear if

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their child was feeling that
way.

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Hey, you going son?
Yeah.

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Good fact.
I’m brilliant game face on every

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day.
You wouldn’t want that.

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Would you?
Neither does our God.

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Why is that brother and sisters?
Well, there’s so many reasons

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were one of the big ones.
Is the very next song.

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It’s because he gets it, he gets
it.

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I mean, he made us.
He knows how we think he knows

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our brain because guess what?
He made it.

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Psalm 103 verse 13.
As a father, has compassion on

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his children.
So the Lord has compassion on us

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for.
He knows how we have formed.

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He remembers that we are dust.
He gets it because he made us,

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who else gets it?
Who else gets it?

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Like really gets it because I
don’t really get you because I

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don’t know.
Your mind.

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I can’t see inside your head.
I have no idea.

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Really, at this very moment.
But Jesus who knew the heart and

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mind of men, he does, he gets
it.

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Hebrews 2 verse 17.
He had to be made like us human

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in every way that he might
become a merciful and faithful

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high priest because he himself
suffered Hebrews 4, verse 15, we

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don’t have an high priest who is
unable to empathize with our

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weaknesses, but we have one who
has been tempted in every way.

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Just as we are.
Jesus gets it this morning.

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He’s here, he’s in our midst.
There’s two and three.

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There’s much more than two or
three.

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He’s here.
And he empathizes He knows our

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weaknesses.
You know, we often have this

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concept of Jesus, which sadly
isn’t the reality.

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Jesus wanted help.
Jesus looked for comfort.

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He knew pain, he felt, you know,
some 69 is unequivocally.

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A Messianic Psalm scorn has
broken my heart and left me

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helpless, I feel helpless.
I looked for sympathy.

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That’s Jesus.
He looked for sympathy.

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He felt that knee but there was
none, I looked for comforters

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Jesus wanted comfort.
It wasn’t a walk in the park, it

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was tough.
You imagine, knowing at 30, do

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your ministry, would be cut
short through excruciating

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death, and you bear that
mentally every day.

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Isaiah 53, verse 3.
He was a man of suffering and

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familiar with pain.
He took up our pain and bore our

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suffering.
He was crushed for our

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iniquities.
He wasn’t immune to our

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suffering to our anxiety to our
depression.

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We come this morning to remember
Jesus.

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Well, let’s remember him in the
garden.

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This is how Jesus fell.
Yes, a warrior, a man of

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absolute faith of Steely
resolve, but this is Jesus to,

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this is Jesus in the garden.
Mark 14 verse 33.

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He began to be deeply distressed
and troubled.

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My soul is overwhelmed.
Do any of you feel overwhelmed,

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00:36:17,600 –> 00:36:22,700
sometimes unable to function,
not wanting to leave home.

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00:36:24,800 –> 00:36:28,700
Just just totally overwhelmed.
Can’t function.

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00:36:29,900 –> 00:36:35,200
I am, my soul is overwhelmed and
sorrow with sorrow, to the point

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00:36:35,200 –> 00:36:40,000
of death.
And we know Luke 22 verse 44

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being in anguish.
His sweat was like drops of

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blood falling to the ground.
So we come to remember Jesus.

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00:36:50,500 –> 00:36:57,900
And he gets, he gets us.
Let’s talk to him.

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00:36:59,900 –> 00:37:04,600
Let’s pour out our lives and our
hearts and our minds to our God,

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and our Lord Jesus Christ.
They get it, they can empathize.

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And that’s our third point.
Is that, like Jesus we too can

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00:37:16,600 –> 00:37:22,700
empathize Not sympathize, you
know like I can sympathize with

450
00:37:22,700 –> 00:37:29,100
somebody at but sympathy means
that I’m sad for you but I don’t

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00:37:29,100 –> 00:37:32,300
feel your pain.
I’m not walking in your shoes

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00:37:32,300 –> 00:37:36,400
because I haven’t been there
brother or sister.

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Here today. if you have or you
suffer from depression or

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anxiety, One gift that’s not
obvious to us at the time.

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And it’s often really hard to do
anything with it but that we

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have that’s immensely powerful.
is empathy because when somebody

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else is, you know, you know
this, when somebody else who is

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00:38:07,800 –> 00:38:12,900
suffering or has talks to you
It’s different.

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Because they get it.
And by the way, your prayers to

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00:38:18,700 –> 00:38:21,100
God on behalf of somebody else,
who’s a fellow?

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Sufferer are also immensely
powerful because You get it.

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The Bible talks about that
second Corinthians 1 verse 3.

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God Comforts Us in all our
troubles so that we can Comfort

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others with the Comfort
wherewith.

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We have been comforted.
Yeah.

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Have you ever thought that about
that?

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00:38:45,600 –> 00:38:49,000
It just as simple logical really
sort of rational level.

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Is that not one of the reasons?
Perhaps, the fundamental reason

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why we suffer at all.
When think about that right

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suffering helps us develop the
characteristics.

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God wants to see in US.
Imagine if you never suffered.

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At all at anything, your life
was one great Utopia.

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How would you ever develop
perseverance?

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00:39:26,600 –> 00:39:31,900
Long suffering.
Patience you never suffered.

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00:39:33,700 –> 00:39:40,100
And then imagine that.
Nobody Nobody no one else

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00:39:40,100 –> 00:39:43,000
suffers.
Go figure.

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How could you ever?
Develop love is no more needs

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00:39:47,500 –> 00:39:49,500
it.
How would you develop Mercy?

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00:39:49,500 –> 00:39:52,400
Because no one needs it.
Kindness, no one needs it.

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00:39:54,000 –> 00:39:59,000
Suffering helps us develop the
characteristics.

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God wants to see in us.
That’s just a little sign point

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for this is really hard.
As hard as it can be.

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00:40:14,900 –> 00:40:17,100
And it’s some pretty brave
people here this morning.

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00:40:19,900 –> 00:40:22,200
When we are suffering, when we
are depressed.

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When were anxious?
Let’s not cut ourselves off.

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You know those words are so easy
to say and it’s probably some of

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00:40:36,008 –> 00:40:40,500
you saying.
Yeah yeah right I mean some

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00:40:40,500 –> 00:40:42,900
probably listening in by Zoom
you don’t get it.

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And I probably don’t compare to
the depths that many of you have

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00:40:48,600 –> 00:40:51,100
been, but that’s tough.
That’s extra tough in our

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community because our community
is seriously social And that’s a

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beautiful thing.
It’s a really sociable

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00:40:58,500 –> 00:41:02,000
community.
And that’s really hard for

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00:41:02,000 –> 00:41:05,600
people suffering particularly
from depression because when

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00:41:05,600 –> 00:41:09,900
you’re depressed, you know what?
The last thing you tend to want

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00:41:10,100 –> 00:41:14,900
is to be around other people.
Just don’t feel like it.

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00:41:17,800 –> 00:41:22,000
But the problem.
Before on us, when we feel that

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00:41:22,000 –> 00:41:27,200
way is that being alone.
Can sometimes be one of the most

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00:41:27,200 –> 00:41:30,300
dangerous things when we’re
depressed or anxious.

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Because we know don’t we that
our mind as we said plays tricks

501
00:41:35,600 –> 00:41:39,700
on us.
Our thoughts can often spiral

502
00:41:39,700 –> 00:41:43,200
downward and depression is such
an overwhelming emotion, that it

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00:41:43,200 –> 00:41:46,900
can just drown every other one
and we can trick ourselves when

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00:41:46,900 –> 00:41:49,000
we’re all alone.
That no one loves us.

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00:41:50,200 –> 00:41:53,500
And we’re all alone and no one
cares and no one knows.

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00:41:53,500 –> 00:41:57,100
And no one understands.
Why do I feel like this?

507
00:42:00,600 –> 00:42:03,200
We might not feel like having
anyone around us.

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And brother and sisters.
This is why it is so crucial.

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00:42:12,900 –> 00:42:17,300
To have friends.
And why our friends in the truth

510
00:42:17,300 –> 00:42:20,700
are so vitally important because
you know what they do.

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00:42:22,600 –> 00:42:26,300
It really simple level, they can
say nothing at all, but they

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00:42:26,300 –> 00:42:30,500
just serve as a physical
reminder that someone loves us.

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00:42:32,000 –> 00:42:35,000
Yeah.
We Noel wife or husband, our

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00:42:35,000 –> 00:42:37,300
kids love us but somebody else
does too.

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That’s what friends do and it’s
also why.

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The Ecclesia is so massively
important.

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00:42:45,100 –> 00:42:51,800
It’s hard to come through those
doors often for the sufferer.

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00:42:51,800 –> 00:42:59,400
And sometimes for the carer, But
it’s helpful in little ways,

519
00:42:59,500 –> 00:43:03,300
little ways.
Sometimes just a little bit of

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00:43:03,300 –> 00:43:07,000
an ex, or somehow gets through
and helps us for half an hour.

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00:43:08,200 –> 00:43:09,900
That’s good.
It’s good.

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00:43:11,200 –> 00:43:16,300
Psalm 73 that extraordinary
Psalm of asaph, where he’s so

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00:43:16,300 –> 00:43:18,800
depressed.
At the prosperity of the wicked,

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00:43:18,800 –> 00:43:22,400
it really messes with him gets
him way down.

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00:43:22,400 –> 00:43:28,100
And he says, I felt like that
until I went into the sanctuary

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and it helped me put things into
perspective, and that’s true for

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00:43:32,200 –> 00:43:37,700
us to, but To the men in the
room and to the women in the

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00:43:37,700 –> 00:43:41,600
room to all of us.
Friendship.

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Friendship, brother, and
sisters.

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If I can leave you with one
thought, be an awesome friend.

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Be an awesome friend.
You are so powerful as a friend,

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00:44:00,500 –> 00:44:04,000
so effective, even when you
don’t say anything because you

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00:44:04,000 –> 00:44:10,500
feel, you care, you know.
In the Bible speaks about this

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00:44:10,500 –> 00:44:16,500
proverb, 17 verse 17.
A friend loves at all times, the

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good and the bad.
Proverbs 27 verse 9.

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This is from the New Living
Translation, the heartfelt

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counsel of a friend is as sweet
as perfume and incense.

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00:44:30,700 –> 00:44:32,300
And this is, this isn’t my
words.

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00:44:32,300 –> 00:44:38,700
This is still the same quote,
never abandon a friend,

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Sometimes it’s all they’ve gone.
So let’s always invest and

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treasure our friendship.
So let’s invest in them.

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00:44:51,700 –> 00:44:55,700
Don’t, let’s never take our
friendships for granted because

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when things go pear-shaped, when
our minds are functioning as

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they ordinarily, were, we’re
deeply depressed.

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00:45:03,200 –> 00:45:11,000
They often carry us through
along with our loved ones point

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00:45:11,000 –> 00:45:13,700
five.
Is also.

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00:45:15,000 –> 00:45:18,900
Pretty hard to share.
And I pray that this is done as

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well, respectfully and
carefully.

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As we’ve said, sadly depression
still carries a stigma in our

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community. and there are many,
as a consequence who suffer An

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00:45:38,100 –> 00:45:41,000
illness.
In silence.

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00:45:42,300 –> 00:45:48,600
Or relative silence.
For some of us, it can be our

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00:45:48,600 –> 00:45:53,500
pride.
We wish to project to others

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00:45:53,500 –> 00:45:57,900
that we’re strong.
Spiritually emotionally,

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00:45:58,100 –> 00:46:01,500
physically.
Mentally That we’re strong.

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00:46:05,000 –> 00:46:07,900
You don’t want to hear the
expressions of surprise Ripple

557
00:46:07,900 –> 00:46:10,400
across the community that
someone like us.

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00:46:11,200 –> 00:46:15,800
Oh, did you hear that?
That brother or sister is

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00:46:15,800 –> 00:46:22,600
suffering from depression.
I mean, Then, like, I wouldn’t

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00:46:22,600 –> 00:46:30,900
have thought it from them. as if
it’s some sort of a choice, I

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00:46:30,900 –> 00:46:35,200
mean.
Why would we express such shock

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00:46:35,200 –> 00:46:40,200
when such and such a brother or
sister who so faithful suffers

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00:46:40,200 –> 00:46:42,300
from cancer.
I mean, it happens.

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00:46:46,600 –> 00:46:50,700
And so, you know what we do?
There’s probably a few here

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00:46:50,700 –> 00:46:52,700
today.
There’s Brethren sisters here.

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00:46:54,500 –> 00:46:58,200
There’s also some oscar-worthy
actors here.

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00:47:01,500 –> 00:47:07,400
Yeah, we get really good at it.
Those of us who suffer from

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00:47:07,400 –> 00:47:09,900
depression and anxiety, many of
us in our community.

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00:47:09,900 –> 00:47:11,700
You know what?
We’re brilliant actors.

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00:47:14,800 –> 00:47:19,800
We come without dying face.
Say the right things, sing the

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00:47:19,800 –> 00:47:24,200
right songs.
Pray the right words, shake

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00:47:24,200 –> 00:47:27,000
shake how you’re going.
Good, thanks, yep.

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00:47:30,000 –> 00:47:33,000
And sometimes we go to say a
bigger function and guess how it

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00:47:33,000 –> 00:47:37,600
feels afterwards.
You’re smashed.

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00:47:39,700 –> 00:47:44,000
You’re exhausted.
Because you’re being full-time,

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00:47:44,000 –> 00:47:49,400
acting the whole time.
So charade.

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00:47:49,500 –> 00:47:51,500
You know, the reasons why you do
that.

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But brother and sisters.
It’s not weak to seek help.

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It’s the beginning of greatness.
In the kingdom of God, to seek

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00:48:06,100 –> 00:48:11,900
that help, the Bible understood
that Jesus said that those who

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00:48:11,900 –> 00:48:15,900
are sick need a doctor.
He said that Those are sick,

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should see a doctor.
He said it Paul even prescribe

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00:48:19,500 –> 00:48:22,800
probably in that sense of
Legally, but he even prescribed

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00:48:22,800 –> 00:48:26,700
a little wine for Timothy’s.
Stomach’s sake and his often

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00:48:26,700 –> 00:48:29,200
illnesses.
The Bible gets that we need

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00:48:29,200 –> 00:48:32,500
help.
So, brother, or sister, if you

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00:48:32,500 –> 00:48:37,900
feel that you need to suffer In
silence, and we all ought to

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00:48:37,900 –> 00:48:44,000
respect that.
Let’s at least be sure to

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00:48:44,000 –> 00:48:49,100
privately get the help.
We desperately need.

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00:48:51,400 –> 00:48:56,000
The professional help our final
of the six.

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00:48:57,400 –> 00:48:59,800
As hard as it again can be at
times.

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00:48:59,800 –> 00:49:06,000
Let’s share our depression, our
anxiety with our God.

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00:49:06,400 –> 00:49:12,100
And with our lord Jesus, we’ve
seen that they already get it 1.

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00:49:12,100 –> 00:49:18,300
Peter 5:7 cast, all your care.
Upon God for he cares for you.

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00:49:19,900 –> 00:49:23,500
Solutions, won’t be immediate
Miracles, may not happen

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00:49:23,500 –> 00:49:27,700
instantaneously, but it doesn’t
mean God has left us.

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00:49:29,000 –> 00:49:32,400
And it doesn’t mean he doesn’t
care, he will never, leave us

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00:49:33,200 –> 00:49:36,200
nor forsake us even in the
darkest.

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Valleys.
What about Jesus?

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00:49:40,900 –> 00:49:45,000
Come unto me.
All you who labor and are heavy

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00:49:45,000 –> 00:49:48,500
laden.
They know we’re depressed.

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00:49:49,000 –> 00:49:55,100
They know we’re anxious and they
invite us to unload on them, to

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00:49:55,100 –> 00:49:58,600
take a load and put it on their
shoulders.

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00:49:58,600 –> 00:50:01,900
They want it.
They don’t want us to cry alone.

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00:50:05,100 –> 00:50:08,900
Psalm 102 Pete, Reddit you could
you could tell from the way

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Pete, read at that first bit,
it’s a depressing first arm and

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00:50:12,600 –> 00:50:15,600
then the second bit was more,
you know, vibrant.

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00:50:15,600 –> 00:50:20,800
But the first bit stuff.
The psalmist cried, and we can

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00:50:20,800 –> 00:50:22,400
cry.
We don’t know what’s happening

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00:50:22,400 –> 00:50:24,300
to us.
Why am I feeling this way?

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00:50:26,200 –> 00:50:30,700
I’m very dark thoughts.
Enter our minds but the point is

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00:50:30,700 –> 00:50:36,400
let’s not cry alone.
Let’s cry to god let’s at least

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00:50:36,400 –> 00:50:39,300
put it on him.
If you’re out there, God if you

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00:50:39,300 –> 00:50:42,700
can hear me, please, this is how
I’m feeling.

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00:50:44,200 –> 00:50:49,400
Psalm 56 verse 8.
You have seen me tossing and

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00:50:49,400 –> 00:50:53,700
turning through the night, you
have collected, all my tears and

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00:50:53,700 –> 00:51:02,000
preserved them in your bottle.
You’ve preserved my tears in

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00:51:02,000 –> 00:51:04,000
your bottle.
How is that brother and sisters?

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00:51:04,300 –> 00:51:06,800
What a beautiful verse.
Have you seen that one before?

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00:51:07,900 –> 00:51:09,800
Our Tears?
Don’t Hit the Floor.

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00:51:09,900 –> 00:51:12,000
Espero doesn’t fall to the
ground.

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00:51:12,100 –> 00:51:15,100
We are worth more than a sparrow
out, tears.

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00:51:15,600 –> 00:51:20,700
Don’t even touch the ground
without God catching them in his

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00:51:21,200 –> 00:51:25,800
bottom cry to God, cry to Jesus,
they hear us.

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00:51:29,200 –> 00:51:33,500
Because as I said, it’s it may
be that until the kingdom weed

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00:51:33,500 –> 00:51:34,700
bear.
This cross.

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00:51:37,500 –> 00:51:41,700
There are many who suffer a
chemical depression and

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00:51:41,700 –> 00:51:45,000
imbalance and will bear that
till the Lord’s return.

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It’s like the Apostle Paul who
prayed that the thorn of the

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flesh would be removed but it
wasn’t.

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So that the grace of Jesus would
rest on him, so that would be

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great in weakness.
And that’s the point, isn’t it?

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00:52:00,000 –> 00:52:05,400
Brother and sisters as hard as
that is to grasp in all things.

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00:52:06,600 –> 00:52:10,500
Somehow, it’s not obvious to us.
God is working together.

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00:52:11,700 –> 00:52:15,700
For our ultimate good.
Because he loves us.

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00:52:18,200 –> 00:52:22,200
So our thing this morning was
walking through dark valleys.

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00:52:24,400 –> 00:52:30,600
Psalm 23 though, I walk through
the darkest valleys, you are

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00:52:30,600 –> 00:52:36,000
with me there.
It’s real.

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00:52:38,500 –> 00:52:43,200
It’s hard.
It doesn’t just go away.

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00:52:44,800 –> 00:52:50,400
But God is still there, even at
times when we can’t feel him

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00:52:50,400 –> 00:52:57,000
there.
Let’s also look forward to the

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00:52:57,000 –> 00:53:00,000
time when we will finally shrug
it.

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00:53:01,400 –> 00:53:05,500
It will all be gone.
Our brains like it there like

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00:53:05,500 –> 00:53:08,000
any other organ in our body,
they get sick.

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00:53:08,900 –> 00:53:14,500
They will be healed when we will
soar with wings as Eagles when

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00:53:14,500 –> 00:53:19,500
we will run and not faint.
Those beautiful words of Isaiah

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40.
We’ll be true.

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00:53:23,400 –> 00:53:29,200
We feel down sometimes way down.
We will saw mentally, physically

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00:53:29,200 –> 00:53:34,500
spiritually emotionally, what a
joy that will be and how awesome

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00:53:34,500 –> 00:53:38,400
will see.
Beta say, I Brethren sisters who

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00:53:38,400 –> 00:53:44,500
suffer today leaping?
Like little calves set free from

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00:53:44,500 –> 00:53:49,100
the stools.
And our brother Andy alluded to

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00:53:49,100 –> 00:53:50,900
it.
One of my favorite verses in all

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of the Bible in Revelation 21
soon.

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Brother soon sister.
Our God and our lord, Jesus are

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going to reach down.
And they’re going to wipe away

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every tear from our eyes.
When finally, they’ll be no more

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pain.
No more suffering.

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No More Physical.
No more emotional, no more

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suffering.

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For it will be a New Jerusalem.
And the former things will have

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