068: Nigel Patterson – The Letter to the Christadelphians

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This class is by Brother Nigel
Patterson.

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It’s actually the first class in
a series on Colossians that he

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gave at the Shippensburg Bible
school and 2007.

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The title is to those who have
not seen my face.

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Now, this was a really good
class brother Nigel to me is

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very easy to listen to he does a
great kind of a verse by verse

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are picking out some themes from
Colossians 1 and to make some

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really good points.
The overall theme of this series

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was the letter to the
christadelphians and he kind of

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explains that in the beginning
of the class but draws, excuse

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me draws on the point of of the
colossian Ecclesia being a place

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that Paul never actually visited
and we as yourself Ian’s being a

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people who never actually saw
our leader and our King the Lord

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Jesus Christ.
He finishes the class on a theme

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that he really Expands through
the rest of the series of just

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Christ’s actual kind of Christ
for the purpose of God being so

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separate from darkness and how
we need to eventually what he

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says and the rest of the reasons
that we need to Define ourselves

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as absolutely separate, even
though we make mistakes but

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recognizing that we are in line
with the light of the world and

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not aligned with the darkness
really enjoyed this class.

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I think it’s a again easy to
listen to very accessible.

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He has a Wonderful style I can’t
find a series by Brother Nigel.

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I’m hoping maybe someone else
can that he does on the proofs

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of the Resurrection, which I
heard as a young person, which I

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very very much enjoyed.
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would be wonderful, please send
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thank you for listening.
Here is brother Nigel.

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From 2007 to those who have not
seen my face.

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Well, good morning everybody.
Always nice to know there’s life

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beyond the platform.
Well now come straight away to

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our first chapter of Colossians.
Initially, I just offered the

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title.
The left is the christadelphians

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and just left the rest of the
hanging that thing book for the

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Bob wants to something a bit
more precise.

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So it kind of gives the game
away but have a look at this

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Colossians chapter 1 Paul an
apostle of Jesus Christ by the

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will of God and Timothy our
brother to the Saints and

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faithful brethren in Christ.
Jesus who are at colossi Grace

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be unto you and peace from God
our Father and the Lord Jesus.

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Just Christ.
Did you see the word

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christadelphians?
Brethren in Christ.

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We’re in holy writ Brethren
assisted.

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How about that?
It’s the only time the phrase is

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ever used.
So this is the letter to the

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christadelphians they may well
be in colossae, but it’s the

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christadelphians.
So we need to listen up to what

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this man has to say to us and we
should also notice that this the

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the continuing theme through
Colossians and either being in

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Christ or in him.
It occurs at least 12 times.

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So being in Christ in him is a
sub-theme in this in this short

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letter, which the Apostle Paul
presents.

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Stewart and not necessarily a
riding a hobby horse here.

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You understand, but please
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It just say brethren in Christ
doesn’t say Brethren of Christ.

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And I personally feel a little
uncomfortable when Brethren will

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sometimes refer to our elder
brother Jesus Christ.

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It’s generally on the basis of
passages like Hebrews to where

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it made very plain that Jesus is
pleased to call them Brethren,

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but what he chooses to call us
his one thing what we are

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allowed to call him is quite
another and if if nothing else

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this week, I hope that when we
have looked at the supremacy of

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the Lord Jesus Christ in the in
the work of God our Father we

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will have a good deal more
respect and reverence for his

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son.
Then perhaps we may be normally

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used to so it is brethren in
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And so it’s chapter 2 really
where we have this first talk

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here to those have not seen my
face the picture on the screen

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is all that’s left of colossi.
Let that be a warning to All

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christadelphians by the waist.
Just a mound.

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We don’t want to be a mound
Brethren and sisters.

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Okay, so we just need to bear
that in mind it but look at

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this.
It’s here.

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It is.
It’s in verse 1 of chapter 2.

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I would that you know what great
conflict I have for you and for

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them at laodicea and for as many
as have not seen my face in the

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flesh and that’s us.
I’m done.

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It’s confirmed, isn’t it?
Just and I’ve just taken you to

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chapter 2 back in chapter one
there.

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We give thanks to God verse 3 of
chapter 1 we give thanks to God

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and the father our Lord Jesus
Christ praying always for you

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since we heard of your faith in
Christ, Jesus and of the love,

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which you have toured all the
saints so that they’re there

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they had heard themselves under
I think this is made clear in

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verse 7 again of chapter 1 as
you also learned of epaphras.

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It’s a point that’s made later
on in in the in the letter now.

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That’s a curious thing.
Isn’t it?

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How are you you learn this from
epaphras.

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Now.
How come how come it wasn’t

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poor?
I mean you got to be impressed

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with this man the Zeal for
preaching the word were just

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pull it was printed on the
forehead of this man and it

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seems kind of odd to us that he
never got there.

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But well, that’s that’s the way
it is.

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We are told he was in episode.
This for three years.

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So these people never saw his
face.

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They never heard his voice, but
they were persuaded on the basis

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of somebody else.
Now.

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The analogy is not a good one.
I know but just when if you

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remember this little scene here,
I just love this man.

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This is see me in an aged man
who having having held a child a

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babe 40 days old.
That’s all the Sovereign Lord as

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you have promised now this
Missed your servant in peace.

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My eyes have seen your
salvation, which you prepared in

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the sight of all people and two
things here are light for

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Revelation to the Gentiles and
glory to your People Israel.

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This man never heard the voice
of Jesus.

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He never saw the things that he
did.

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He never listen to the heart of
the Man from Nazareth.

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And yet he knew just by old but
just by holding the Babe he knew

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that the purpose of God was on
track.

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That’s all I hate to see.
I just need to see the baby.

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That’s all I’m happy now to pass
off the scene.

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This is the faith of an old man.
He’d been waiting waiting

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waiting what he’d heard about
this from somewhere else.

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In other words, the their Jewish
scriptures he knew of someone to

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come here he was but didn’t hear
a word didn’t see anything that

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this child would do when he
Foreground what will in a kind

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of way that’s that’s where the
Colossians were.

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That’s that’s where we are.
I repeat that seems very strange

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that after three years in in
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It just doesn’t seem to have got
there. and hello.

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Just a map there which shows
where colossi is just in case.

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Hey, this is the first time I’ve
got to play with stuff like

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this.
You have no idea how thrilled I

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am.
So don’t laugh too long, you

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know, but Colossus is there the
little crosses on their

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obviously you can spot straight
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They are reference to the 70
clichés, which I’ve always taken

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to have been founded at roughly
that time that the preaching

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effort in Asia was that was
quite extensive and it wouldn’t

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surprise me of all those he
pleases were established at that

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time, but in Cleveland cause
colossi and hierapolis, which

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are mentioned here gloss is on
the the South Bank of the river

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of the river like us which is a
tributary of the river manned

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with from which we get the word
Meander, you know, you know

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about long rivers in the state’s
the Mississippi, for example

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with all those Loops those
meanders that’s where the word

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comes from from that particular
River than the main road from

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from Ephesus to the Euphrates
used to run right through

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colossi is And by exert seas and
the younger Cyrus on their

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marches, so colossi was of some
significance way back Herodotus.

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Cause it a great city of
phrygian in the 5th Century BC

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and at the beginning of the next
Century xenophon described it as

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a populous city wealthy and
large.

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And now it’s just a mound.
So, you know downhill all the

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way there was an earthquake in
1860 which kind of ruined things

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for them somewhat and it
basically didn’t really survive

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that in any great way, but for
all that, this is the area where

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the Apostle Paul was operating a
fist of three years.

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It’s interesting that he didn’t
reach the lycus valley when you

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look at the account in the Acts
of the Apostles and you remember

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that he’s there for Three years
you think we’ll know where to

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look that’s a bit thin and I
said not a lot going on there.

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Just so this is a quick recap.
These are the issues that are

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brought To Us by the by Luke in
his record of the the activity

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of of pull and when you look at
that when you look at the actual

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incidents themselves, you think
well that’s never three years

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worth and when you begin to read
what Paul writes elsewhere,

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there are other things emerge
Edging so we also find he had to

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deal with a series of problems,
which I’ve called here the

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Corinthian problems.
He wrote I believe it out for

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letters to the Corinthians and
if you want to see this stuff

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afterwards just to check it
through and see how you feel

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about it, but current really
dominated his life.

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I’m suggesting to you and that
would have been part of those

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three years and he talks often
were certainly particularly

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talks about The moment they’re
in second Corinthians.

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Now, please understand these
writing this from from either

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Ephesus or from possibly from
Phillipi doesn’t much matter

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that at the time that Paul
writes that about his

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imprisonment you and I as far as
the Acts of the Apostles are

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concerned.
I’ve only ever noticed him in

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prison once That was in Philippi
overnight bed and breakfast.

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Yeah, so, you know, so the
language of Paul here brings

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before as a whole raft of things
that look seems very quiet about

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what is it onion?
We won’t look at this in detail

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because we kind of get off track
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He talks about it being should
track, you know, this past

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Easter to 2 Corinthians 11 is is
very well known to us where he

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lists all the things that he
suffered for his Lord.

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Now the only ship wreck that you
and I are And I know of is it

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the end of the actually the
apostles that hasn’t happened

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yet?
It’s an interesting life.

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You know, I mean you got around
with Paul.

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You never never a dull moment
with this man and but you just

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wonder I’m suggesting to you.
Just wonder if one or more of

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those imprisonments wasn’t in
Ephesus.

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Would that keep him out of?
Out of the way for a while just

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a thought and just throwing it
for them.

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Maybe he wrote a letter to the
Philippians from Ephesus rather

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than Rome.
That’s that’s neither here nor

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there.
They’re not the oldest is taken

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from his own personal writings.
So we got Luke to start off with

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we then add his own personal
writings.

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And now we have a fuller picture
of those three years and if

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indeed some of those
imprisonments were in Ephesus

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for whatever reason we can well
understand that you wouldn’t

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reach All that is here or
Hereafter – well when you just

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get to write to the
christadelphians in colossi, it

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does seem to me.
He’s writing because of some new

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teaching that’s come from within
the Ecclesia, you know, brother

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and sisters or perhaps being
infected by the spirit of the

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age in which they live more than
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It says they’re continuing if
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got for as many as not see my
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Do that their hearts might be
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love unto all Riches of the full
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the acknowledgement of the
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and of Christ.
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special knowledge that began to
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in you can pick we should pick
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you know, and the overall impact
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suggest the need for form or in
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the gospel.
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gospel and now we may need just
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know.
Circumcision really good thing

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to follow the law and this this
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knowledge.
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added to the simple gospel that
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by epaphras not by Paul.
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that Galatians would if he
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Paul ever wrote it Close that
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Were you sneaking into the
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brothers and sisters of
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this is a Jesus plus gospel.
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that Jesus is all we need.
God has provided everything we

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need in his son and the and this
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away from him.
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Merit of the death and the blood
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Jesus Christ, and there were
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little bit to the gospel adding
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Your spiritual life isn’t He
completed you need to be sure

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about this says Paul don’t do
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can’t happen amongst ourselves
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simple gospel.
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else where we it is suggested
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completing our knowledge.
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It can happen is happening here
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have to face this and Paul is
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Don’t do it.
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their spiritual welfare.
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they’re good start in our praise
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in in Colossians 2.
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Do I mean Colossians 2 now?
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what’s going on up here.
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chapter 1 give thanks to God and
the father our lord Jesus we

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give thanks to God and the
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praying always for you since we
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Jesus and the love you have to
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Versions that’s because of the
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the heaven where of you heard
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the Gospel.
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understand that you may already
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there in verse 4, we have faith
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hope the three pillars of a
disciples life all brought

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together by the Apostle loved
one towards another notice that

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and and I draw your attention to
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half of verse 4 and he is glad
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that they have toured all sense
notice this because of the Hope

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which is laid look laid up for
you in the heavens their faith

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These are not separated items
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We won’t look at it now, but
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resurrection passage First
Corinthians 15 where bottle

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takes time out to deal with yet
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was clearly creating some
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principally where he says, you
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life we have any joy in the Lord
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We are just so pitiable people.
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terms of only of this world.
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morality is a complete waste of
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So this Faith this hope is
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come.
Isn’t that right?

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That’s really saying here.
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heavens where of you heard
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of the Gospel if if our power
connection with Christ is only

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to do with this present world
than frankly the only logical

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outcome.
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tomorrow we die.
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christadelphians here their
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nourished.
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the solid fact of God’s promises
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coming the hope of the
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Everlasting and of course it
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heaven with him.
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if I remember it will pick up
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later on in the week which comes
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first instance, this is laid up
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safe place as it could possibly
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This is one of those passages in
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or the sister who may sometimes
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kingdom or be that they just
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it There’s at least two passages
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Your eternal life is locked in
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It’s in heaven secure with our
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He has something more to say
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If I remember we’ll have a look
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inners and you’ll notice how
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Hope has been planted.
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the truth of the Gospel end of
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I’ve been to six which is come
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world and brings forth fruit as
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day you heard of it and knew the
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bearing power of the Gospel.
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These are new creatures.
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creation?
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the gospel is like and here if
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in the first Creation in Genesis
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far, but he doesn’t stop there
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verse 9 for this cause we also
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not cease to pray for you.
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filled with the knowledge of his
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understanding us sounds it
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spiritually Superior, don’t it?
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attitude, but it isn’t that’s
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Apostle Paul here at or me some
then and you have to say now may

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make great claims for themselves
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knowledge and wisdom and
understanding that fail failed a

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standard of the next verse.
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10 except through verse 9.
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also for the Cause we also since
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of verse 9 do not cease to pray
for you to desire that you might

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be filled with the knowledge of
his will in all wisdom and

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spiritual understanding that you
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and to all Blake old pleasing
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work and increasing in the
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There’s that sense of
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our attention.
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linked together.
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make on this one, but the wisdom
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of all pure.
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those people in those days who
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knowledge.
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wisdom that comes from Heaven is
first of all, pure then

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peace-loving considerate
submissive full of mercy and

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good fruit impartial and sincere
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haven’t so nevermind.
I thought was a verse 18 to come

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as well.
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start off with.
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point here clear in verse 9.
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wisdom. and spiritual
understanding and knowledge that

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can take a brother or a sister
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The real wisdom that is from
above does that for your brother

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and sisters?
We have truly learned from

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heaven.
We have true understanding we

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have true knowledge if these
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considerate submissive
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good fruit.
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in this room.
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could claim fully to have all
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of their life day by day.
We have a lot to learn. in order

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to do so that kind of knowledge
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Just recapping 10 again that you
might walk worthily revised

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version of the Lord unto all
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It is only Christian Living when
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and Master The Obedience that we
practice must be sufficient to

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give the world a glimpse of the
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going to follow The man that we
are committed to to pick up up

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with the marks comments in the
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Something of the Lord should be
seen in our lives that’s

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implicit in the language here
and not least two to walk

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worthily of Christ is to walk in
harmony with other Brethren and

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sisters, you know, it clear
visual disharmony ecclesial

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disunity is Unworthy of him a
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I give you love one another as I
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So you must love one another by
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Men will know that you are my
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If you love one another without
that the world has got no

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message from his whatsoever.
says our Lord and he he says

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here that you might walk worthy
of the Lord that term walk

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simply means to conform to the
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But of course, no human walk
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But practically it can and
should be so in the sense of

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being governed at every step by
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Walk worthy of the Lord unto all
pleasing to God’s complete

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satisfaction and Delight.
More than that result of being

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filled with such knowledge of
his will is easy to see that the

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more God’s children know him the
more they will also love him.

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The more they love him the more
they will also wish to obey him

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in thought word and action.
This is fruitfulness of the

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highest order.
And it’s all dependent on a real

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knowledge of God, which grows so
to complete the verse to walk

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worthy of the Lord unto all
pleasing bearing fruit in every

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good work and increasing in the
knowledge of God.

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Well, here’s someone who seems
to know the Lord Jesus Christ

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very, well.
I want to know Christ and the

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power of his resurrection and
the fellowship of sharing in his

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sufferings becoming like him in
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That’s commitment.
Is it not?

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And then there’s this another
outburst of Thanksgiving from

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from Port go down to verse 12
now giving thanks unto the

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Father which hath made us meet
to be partakers of the

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inheritance of the Saints in
light who has delivered us from

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the power of darkness and hath
translated us into the kingdom

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of his dear son.
Oh, that’s it.

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That’s what makes the difference
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Our new status in Christ God is
the judge before whom we all

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stand condemned as guilty.
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That we can now call Father.
What a change.

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I mean, there are a number of
Old Testament images just

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brought to our attention in this
language.

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It seems to me we have been
qualified says Paul for a lot or

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a portion in the land.
This is the term inheritance

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that our users we have the
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Just as each tribe entered into
the portion of land allotted to

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them.
So we enter into the sphere of

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blessing among the people of
God, which has been granted to

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us.
It is a Thanksgiving for a

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present blessing which is
related to Future Perfection and

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knows the language in 13 who has
delivered us from the power of

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00:29:03,700 –> 00:29:08,700
darkness and translated us into
the kingdom of his dear son.

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00:29:09,400 –> 00:29:13,300
This is Conquest language
determine when you remember when

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Israel was taken from their land
by the Assyrians into Exile and

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00:29:19,400 –> 00:29:25,000
then those of Judah taken to
Babylon into Exile that that’s

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what translation means hear
those people being translated

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00:29:28,600 –> 00:29:32,000
from one Kingdom into another
that’s the language here.

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00:29:32,000 –> 00:29:36,500
So we recorded Apostle Paul have
been taken from one Kingdom and

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00:29:36,500 –> 00:29:40,300
moved into another we are
already. part of the Kingdom

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00:29:41,800 –> 00:29:44,500
this matches that deep sense of
hope which we’ve already been

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00:29:44,600 –> 00:29:47,500
alerted to way back in verse 5
there.

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We don’t often talk like this
brother and sisters.

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This isn’t presumption and our
part.

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This is taken straight out of
scripture.

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There is a sense brother and
sisters in which we are already

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00:29:57,700 –> 00:30:04,100
part of the Kingdom.
How else how else shall we now

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00:30:04,700 –> 00:30:08,600
produce the fruit of the Kingdom
Galatians?

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00:30:08,600 –> 00:30:10,600
I was going to use this
different context but since he’s

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here, we’ll use it.
The fruit of the spirit is love

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joy peace, patience kindness
goodness faithfulness gentleness

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and self-control.
These are Kingdom flavors.

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I’m Paulie saying we want them
now.

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So there is a sense in which we
live the kingdom now everything

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that belongs to him.
We live now amongst ourselves

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one to another and Ecclesia lie
in the broader sense.

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So we have been we have been
translated from one Kingdom into

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that of the kingdom of his dear
some the Lord.

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Jesus is now our portion our lat
you will remember in Psalm 16

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again, which both I am not
referred to yesterday.

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Whoever has been referred to in
Psalm 16 and I think we’re all

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agreed is Messiah can speak of
his lot being the Lord God?

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00:31:08,500 –> 00:31:12,400
Well at a slightly lower level
to start off with certainly

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Jesus Christ is our lot and our
portion and well, I can’t think

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of a richer inheritance than
that.

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But the revised version has a
different twist here.

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I read 13 again who delivered us
out of the power of Darkness

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translated into the king of the
son of his love other versions

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00:31:41,900 –> 00:31:44,700
may have it similarly.
I don’t know if it makes a

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difference, doesn’t it?
The son of his love we were

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00:31:52,300 –> 00:31:56,400
slaves to sin.
And we’ve now been set free in

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Jesus Christ.
We have been taken from the the

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Loveless condition of darkness
and death into a spiritual realm

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in which we have the love of God
shed upon us.

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And so our lives must be molded
by that love and that’s the

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emphasis which the revised
version brings to our attention

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00:32:15,900 –> 00:32:18,200
there.
We’ve also got images hero of

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Egypt and exodus from the
slavery in Egypt to the freedom

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00:32:22,600 –> 00:32:24,700
of the fruitfulness of the
promised.

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And you know this land that was
going to flow with milk and

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00:32:28,200 –> 00:32:30,600
honey.
Remember the promises made to to

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00:32:30,600 –> 00:32:35,900
Moses and to the to the
Israelites through Moses and

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00:32:35,900 –> 00:32:37,200
that’s just the way it was
wasn’t it?

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00:32:37,500 –> 00:32:41,200
And you notice how the Apostle
Paul has two or three times

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brought before is this sense of
fruitfulness?

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00:32:44,900 –> 00:32:48,400
Well now we all remember the
spies being sent into the land.

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We all remember them coming
back.

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And they came back bearing the
fruit of the land.

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He wasn’t so much that the fruit
of the land showed.

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00:33:00,600 –> 00:33:04,000
What a good Landy was flowing
with milk and honey.

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00:33:04,100 –> 00:33:07,200
Of course, it shows that it
showed something much more

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important.
However, it showed the truth of

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the word of God.
This is the god who said to the

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nation.
I’m going to take you to a land

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00:33:15,500 –> 00:33:19,100
which flows with milk and honey.
And when they come back and said

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00:33:19,300 –> 00:33:21,100
look at this.
This is this is the fruit of the

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00:33:21,100 –> 00:33:24,900
land and at a low level that’s
how many of them would well.

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00:33:25,400 –> 00:33:28,600
We don’t know how many but most
of them side only at that level.

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00:33:29,000 –> 00:33:31,600
They say they stayed at ground
level didn’t they?

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Because the moment the spice
said that there is a but Mark

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00:33:35,300 –> 00:33:38,700
you it’s it’s going to be
difficult in there, you know

508
00:33:38,900 –> 00:33:41,600
poor they’ve got cities as well
and we haven’t seen Wars like

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00:33:41,600 –> 00:33:44,800
that before.
And the Anna came with my word

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00:33:44,800 –> 00:33:49,400
and you see them nine foot tall
some of them which we come we

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00:33:49,500 –> 00:33:52,700
just can’t do it.
And well, you know the stories

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00:33:52,700 –> 00:33:59,000
was I do they turn their back.
Not so much on the land.

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00:33:59,100 –> 00:34:01,900
They turned their back on the
god who’s brought them to the

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00:34:01,900 –> 00:34:05,500
boundary of the land the one who
promised them he take them in

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00:34:05,500 –> 00:34:09,600
there.
So that fruitfulness that they

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00:34:09,600 –> 00:34:13,400
brought with them they were
fruit berries won’t they to

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00:34:13,400 –> 00:34:18,600
demonstrate the truth of God’s
word and to encourage them to

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00:34:18,600 –> 00:34:23,800
take hold and grow in their
faith in this God who’s brought

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00:34:23,800 –> 00:34:27,100
them self our and were then just
take them in.

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00:34:28,800 –> 00:34:34,900
And well they turned their back
on it. when I stopped in

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00:34:34,900 –> 00:34:40,500
YouTube, New Israel To give a
better lead shall we say?

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00:34:42,199 –> 00:34:46,800
We equally our fruit bearers
Galatians 3.

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00:34:46,900 –> 00:34:53,500
We equally our fruit bearers of
the Kingdom to which we are

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00:34:53,500 –> 00:35:00,200
being taken. proof positive
amongst ourselves of the

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00:35:00,207 –> 00:35:04,500
goodness of God Do we often
think of it that way the

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00:35:04,500 –> 00:35:07,600
kindnesses which we see in
ecclesial life.

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00:35:07,600 –> 00:35:11,700
Do we do we go beyond just
thanking the brother or the

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00:35:11,700 –> 00:35:17,200
sister and thank a God who has
brought us together as a family

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00:35:17,200 –> 00:35:20,400
where those things can be
enjoyed.

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We remember a comment made by
somebody looking on at an

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Ecclesia in Cornwall, and I
think I’m quoting correctly.

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00:35:29,100 –> 00:35:33,400
And now you guys really know how
to look after one another.

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She noticed the fruit was being
carried and was being displayed.

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00:35:42,100 –> 00:35:48,300
God was the motivating power
behind the way that Ecclesia was

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00:35:48,300 –> 00:35:53,600
behaving.
Poor old Caleb and Joshua

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00:35:53,600 –> 00:35:55,800
course, they’re going to the 40
years before they get back in

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00:35:55,800 –> 00:35:57,200
there.
And you feel very sorry for

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00:35:57,200 –> 00:35:59,000
them.
Sometimes wasn’t their fault was

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00:35:59,000 –> 00:36:01,200
it they were quite happy to go
in there.

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00:36:01,200 –> 00:36:03,000
Not a problem from that
perspective.

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00:36:03,400 –> 00:36:06,800
That’s the way it was.
You may sometimes I wonder how

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00:36:06,800 –> 00:36:11,900
on Earth did they manage to do
that, you know a fortnight’s DLo

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00:36:12,000 –> 00:36:16,600
maybe a month year half a year
40 years was going to wait that

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00:36:16,600 –> 00:36:20,500
long.
Well, they were and they did.

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00:36:22,300 –> 00:36:25,600
And they did so because they
were Kingdom Minded they were

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00:36:25,900 –> 00:36:29,900
Canaan minded and I’m using the
word Canaan there in in God

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00:36:29,900 –> 00:36:33,100
sense of it the land to which
they were being taken to they

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00:36:33,100 –> 00:36:36,100
had their minds firmly fixed on
where they were going.

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00:36:36,100 –> 00:36:39,500
They were Kingdom Minded and for
us brother and sisters.

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00:36:39,500 –> 00:36:43,500
He’s also been Keen minded
didn’t just it isn’t just the

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00:36:44,200 –> 00:36:47,200
the things the pictures that we
have of what that Kingdom will

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00:36:47,200 –> 00:36:51,900
be like it is being it is the
kingdom mindedness is is thing

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00:36:52,100 –> 00:36:56,900
About the mind of the king
himself minds and hearts firmly

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00:36:56,900 –> 00:37:08,700
fixed on the one who is to come.
John 15 You’ll see the

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00:37:08,700 –> 00:37:12,500
connection.
Because all this is learned from

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00:37:12,500 –> 00:37:22,400
the King himself John 15.
I am the True Vine.

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00:37:25,100 –> 00:37:29,000
This is fruitfulness of the
highest order brother and

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00:37:29,000 –> 00:37:34,200
sisters.
And my father is the husbandman

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00:37:34,300 –> 00:37:36,300
every branch in me that beareth
not fruit.

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00:37:36,300 –> 00:37:38,500
He takes away every branch that
bears fruit.

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00:37:38,500 –> 00:37:43,600
He purges it that it may bring
forth more fruit.

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00:37:44,100 –> 00:37:47,800
Now we’re see what he goes in
verse 4 and 5 abide in me and I

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00:37:47,800 –> 00:37:50,700
in you as the branch cannot bear
fruit of itself, except it abide

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00:37:50,700 –> 00:37:54,000
in the vine no more.
Can you accept you abide in me?

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00:37:54,100 –> 00:37:55,600
I am the vine.
You are the branches.

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00:37:55,900 –> 00:37:59,300
He that abides in me and I in
him the same bringeth forth much

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00:37:59,300 –> 00:38:03,000
fruit without me you can do
Nothing now.

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00:38:03,200 –> 00:38:06,800
Did you spot the echo from
Colossians?

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00:38:08,100 –> 00:38:14,400
In Colossians, it was in him in
Christ hear the man makes That

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00:38:14,400 –> 00:38:21,200
explicit abide verse 4 abide in
me and then end of verse 4 no

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00:38:21,200 –> 00:38:24,000
more.
Can you accept you abide in me

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00:38:24,400 –> 00:38:28,600
verse 5 he that abide in me and
I in him the same bringeth forth

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00:38:28,600 –> 00:38:33,500
much fruit without me you can do
nothing.

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00:38:36,200 –> 00:38:42,800
Then verse 16 you did not choose
me revised version, but I chose

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00:38:42,800 –> 00:38:48,200
you and appointed you that you
should go and bear fruit and

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00:38:48,200 –> 00:38:51,300
that your fruit should abide
that whatever you shall ask of

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00:38:51,300 –> 00:38:56,000
the father in my name.
He may give you as interesting,

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00:38:56,000 –> 00:38:59,100
isn’t it?
So so we had a picture here of

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00:38:59,100 –> 00:39:05,000
the fruitfulness of the True
Vine now in verse 16 it is if

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00:39:05,000 –> 00:39:07,500
something is passed.
Over to the disciples they

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00:39:07,500 –> 00:39:10,100
themselves now will be bare as a
fruit.

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00:39:11,000 –> 00:39:14,700
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I
understand that a Vine is not

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00:39:14,700 –> 00:39:17,800
allowed to produce its fruit
until after three years.

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00:39:19,800 –> 00:39:24,000
That’s how long Jesus had his
disciples. and when he’d

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00:39:24,000 –> 00:39:32,300
finished and Spilled his blood.
Remembered in wine And left this

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00:39:32,300 –> 00:39:38,100
Earth to be with his father.
Then the disciples took over to

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00:39:38,100 –> 00:39:46,600
Bear the fruit that verse 16 is
about chapter 17 the real Lord’s

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00:39:46,600 –> 00:39:56,300
Prayer verse 13.
I still take you back to 15 in a

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00:39:56,308 –> 00:39:59,400
second or two, but just look at
the language here of our lord.

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00:39:59,600 –> 00:40:05,000
It’s John 17.
It’s verse 13, but now come I to

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00:40:05,100 –> 00:40:09,600
the these things I speak in the
world that they might have my

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00:40:09,600 –> 00:40:12,700
joy fulfilled in themselves.
That is astonishing language,

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00:40:12,700 –> 00:40:14,900
isn’t it?
This is a man who’s shorter to

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00:40:14,900 –> 00:40:20,900
go out to be arrested to be
treated in a most abysmal way

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00:40:21,400 –> 00:40:28,400
and then to be nailed to a cross
And he speaks here of my joy

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00:40:29,200 –> 00:40:32,200
fulfilled in themselves.
I have Here Comes This 40.

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00:40:32,400 –> 00:40:39,900
I have given them Thy Word.
Sharper than any two-edged

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00:40:40,500 –> 00:40:46,300
swords back in chapter 15 where
we have the language every

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00:40:46,300 –> 00:40:48,400
Branch verse 2 in me that bears
not fruit.

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00:40:48,400 –> 00:40:50,500
He takes away every branch that
bears fruit.

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00:40:50,700 –> 00:40:54,200
He purged with it.
He prunes it.

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00:40:54,700 –> 00:40:57,200
It’s the word that does the
pruning.

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00:41:00,900 –> 00:41:04,900
And you you you should just
notice incidentally that it was

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00:41:04,900 –> 00:41:06,600
room 15 here.
I’m perhaps we should have

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00:41:06,600 –> 00:41:09,400
mentioned these earlier.
He talks there in verse 2 of

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00:41:09,400 –> 00:41:14,200
bearing fruit.
He then talks about bringing

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00:41:14,200 –> 00:41:19,800
forth much fruit in verse 5 and
in other verse which I don’t

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00:41:19,800 –> 00:41:22,500
immediately sport.
Well, it said again in verse 18

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00:41:22,800 –> 00:41:26,800
verse 8 rather that you bear
much fruit.

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00:41:26,900 –> 00:41:29,700
So as you go down from where
around verse 2 through the verse

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00:41:29,700 –> 00:41:35,900
8, it goes from fruit more fruit
much fruit is a continuing

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00:41:35,900 –> 00:41:40,400
process the pruning process of
the word will increase our

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00:41:40,400 –> 00:41:46,300
fruitfulness.
As we stay in him. meanwhile

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00:41:46,300 –> 00:41:53,800
back in chapter 17 chapter 17
and so it sees the word which if

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00:41:53,800 –> 00:41:59,300
you like is the second ters,
which I used by God to increase

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00:41:59,300 –> 00:42:01,800
our fruitfulness in him.
But look at this.

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00:42:01,800 –> 00:42:04,200
Neither pray I say has been
praying for the disciples.

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00:42:04,200 –> 00:42:06,500
Yeah as well.
He might have course that their

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00:42:06,500 –> 00:42:12,100
world is going to collapse.
Once Jesus is taken from them.

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00:42:12,300 –> 00:42:14,400
He says in verse 20 neither
pray.

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00:42:14,400 –> 00:42:18,300
I for these alone but for them
also, which Shall Believe on me

622
00:42:18,300 –> 00:42:22,400
through their word that they all
may be one as thou father art in

623
00:42:22,400 –> 00:42:26,100
me and I in thee and they also
may be one in us that the world

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00:42:26,100 –> 00:42:29,800
may believe that thou Hast sent
me.

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00:42:30,800 –> 00:42:35,400
Oh, that’s good.
Hear the Lord Jesus Christ

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00:42:35,700 –> 00:42:39,300
praise specifically for you and
me.

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00:42:41,000 –> 00:42:44,400
Isn’t that right?
And I hope you’ve seen we’ve

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00:42:44,400 –> 00:42:49,600
come full circle.
Paul never got to colossi But

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00:42:49,600 –> 00:42:52,300
they heard the word through
epaphras.

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00:42:54,700 –> 00:43:00,800
Jesus never came to the United
States Or Shippensburg or new

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key?
Oh, whatever.

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00:43:04,700 –> 00:43:08,200
But we’ve had through others
this first brother and sister

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00:43:08,200 –> 00:43:14,000
should be precious in your sight
our Lord Praise specifically for

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00:43:14,000 –> 00:43:22,600
you and your Eternal welfare.
We have not seen his face.

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00:43:24,500 –> 00:43:40,200
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