051: Dev Ramcharan – I Have Made You A Father Of A Multitude Of Nations

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welcome to the good christian
talks podcast i’m levi and i’m

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chris thank you so much for
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of set the stage for the talk
here about to here and now let’s

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hear more about this week stock
talk this week we’re listening

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to a class that was given by
brother devram tran if the

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toronto western pleasure this
past june twenty nineteen at the

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rocky mountain bible school his
overall series topic is abraham

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believed god uh this particular
class is class three which is i

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will make you a father of a
multitude of nations first of

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all brother death is just a
really fun speaker to listen to

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he has a very engaging style
that even comes through over

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just audio but if you’ve ever
been to a series that he’s

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taught in person he has a very
personal style that he has if

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you talk with him individually
all the way to if you’re sitting

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in the audience as he has he
teaches his class so he’s a

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really fun to listen to his a
couple fun little tangents in

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this class that are enjoyable to
listen to what really jumped out

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at me about this class in
particular was that he’s looking

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at the promises to abraham and
in this particular one he’s

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looking at the covenant when god
first makes the promise to

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abraham and promises the seed
that would come through sarah

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ann that topic is something is
is central to our beliefs and is

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one of those things that has
been spoken about a lot but at

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the same point as you’re looking
at it it’s one of those things

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where because it’s such a
central piece i feel sometimes

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everyone just assumes that we
know what that story is and what

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brother dave is doing in this
class in particular is looking

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at all the little details that
goes into that covenant that god

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made and the vision that he
showed to abraham when he made

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that those promises to him and i
personally found a lot of really

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neat little parallels and and
lessons that brother dad pulls

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out and we used together really
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that will turn it over to our

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brother devram stand for his
third class from abraham

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believed god titled i have made
you a father of a multitude of

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nations well good morning
brothers and sisters major

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decision this morning i’m going
to put my watch in front of

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maine which is almost
indecipherable that way um and

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that i would be able to keep
time and arrived in the room

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five minutes late things have
not gone well a little bit of

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additional information that was
supplied justin in discussion

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yesterday great points by people
but one that stuck out that i

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want to share with you is this
lot makes this progression from

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pitching his tent toward sodom
to dwelling in sodom and

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eventually lot is a city
councilor in sodom sitting in

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the gate of the city so what you
have is a traveling sojourning

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pilgrim who becomes a landed
immigrant or what you call a

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resident alien a resident alien
and then he becomes a city

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councilor and one of the reasons
that was suggested was perhaps

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the same kind of brokered
arrangement that occured between

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abraham abraham at the time and
those people around him from the

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amala kites who became his well
his allies in the war that

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occured they had a mutual self
defense a treaty or arrangement

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with each other occured likewise
in lots case lot must have had

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quite a retinue of people
remember from the group of

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people that abraham had three
hundred and eighteen were chosen

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born in his house as servants
with enough time to grow up to

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full adult adulthood to become
fighting men trained fighting

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men and there were so many of
them in both families and the

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extended retinues that the land
could not support them so it

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could have been a sizable group
of people that lot had with him

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lot his immediate family and
then and extended group of

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servants which if we said
conservatively was three or four

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hundred people only three
survived attic lisha only three

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only abraham was thinking as he
negotiated with the angel that

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represented yahweh will look
let’s go with a ridiculous

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number if there’s ten if there’s
ten we will you spread the city

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and in all of his compassionate
empathy the angel says yes if

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there are ten knowing full well
there aren’t even that many

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there aren’t even that many
right and so that descent into

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sodom led to the loss of a
generation i want to tell you a

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little bit about my generation
just briefly i am the end of the

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baby boom generation a
generation that experienced

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decade by decade exponential
increases in prosperity as their

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parents and grandparents after
the second world war rebuilt and

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saw flourishing economies around
the west we were a generation

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that was used to getting new
things all the time there was so

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many kids born in that
generation they couldn’t build

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the schools fast enough you may
recall that those of you of that

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generation you’d be bust all
over the place because the

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schools were full up and people
moved out and out built the

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suburbs built their homes with
the picket fences and the

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prosperity increased and
increased and increased to the

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point that the generation that
was raised in that millions of

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prosperity became used to it
being the norm they should

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always have what they want they
should always be able to get in

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a choir whatever they desire
credit became so cheap but

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something our grandparents could
never ever have imagined became

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reality for us you didn’t have
to have money to get things you

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just needed a credit card or you
needed whatever kind of account

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you needed to have so that out
of it with no money you could

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purchase things there by putting
the entire western world economy

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based on that system no longer
built on gold bullion sitting in

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a room in a vault somewhere but
just based on printing more

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money printing more money
rebuild a pack of cards of an

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economy and our lives likewise
for us is baby boom kids growing

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up we without ever wanting to
without realizing what we were

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doing had the life of lot most
of us now many didn’t and many

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of those are here and many of
those have their children in the

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truth but for the rest of us me
included we had one foot planted

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in the equation the other foot
planted in the world and it’s

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entertainment luxury ‘s and its
travel in all the accoutrements

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come with the prosperous life of
that generation in this world

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many of us have been leveraged
with debt up above our eyeballs

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we can barely breathe but you
would never know it looking at

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us parents know you don’t that’s
our generation what did our kids

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see what did the children see
they saw mommies and daddies

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with one foot planted in sodom
one foot planted in the equation

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what do you reckon we were going
to choose eventually what was

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going to be the easier choice
for them and for most of us

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we’ve experienced children who
walked away from the truth into

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the world many of them
irretrievable so that when we go

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to our children and say god is
going to destroy this city they

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look at us as if we’re making a
joke we are like lots those of

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us that are like what i just
described so these are not

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stories about people walking
around in robes speaking the

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poetry of the kings english in
the period of shakespeare and

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company these are real life
people making decisions that it

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looks like they were common
sense decisions at a moment in

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time but we’re entirely and
completely spiritually the wrong

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things to do and their children
paid the price so lockmix dot

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progression is really a kind of
a regression isn’t it a

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retrogression he goes deeper
deeper down now something that i

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i can say with honesty is the
generation after us has it right

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in many many ways saving raising
their children much closer to

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their kids much more absolutely
involved in keeping them engaged

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with brothers and sisters with
their children with activities

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around the closure as much as
possible first for us there was

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that thing we thought was a kind
of balance between the fund of

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this world in life of this world
thinking we could survive it

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unscathed and the life of the
equation never fully addressing

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the disconnects and
inconsistencies of that half

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worldly half ecclesia spiritual
life the struggles that we many

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of us is boomers will take to
the day that we die or the days

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of the kingdom comes but it is
our struggle and we have to keep

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on struggling just keep in the
truth no matter how small the

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remnants are vestiges of what is
left of our families after all

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the mistakes that we’ve made and
so chapter fifteen begins or

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chapter fourteen goes into that
part of the narrative the talks

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about the end of the battle
everything being brought by

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abraham that was taken away from
sodom and it says verse eighteen

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melchizedek king of salem
brought forth bread and wine and

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he was the priest of the most
high god wow man whose name

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means king of righteousness who
cities davis piece so he’s the

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king of righteousness and the
king of peace as a consequence

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so so what do we have altogether
we have the king we have

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righteousness we’d have to piece
we have a priest we have LL

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young the most high god the
title seems to imply that god is

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a being amongst around whom are
other high beings but he is the

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most tired that goes god is with
the angels now is with the

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angels and the lord jesus christ
like keith is the most high god

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in the story we have bread we
have wine we have a blessing we

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have deliverance from enemies so
many echoes the reminders of the

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lord jesus christ the atonement
that was achieved by his father

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and by him safe in the middle of
all of those elements of the

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gospel of how god has engineered
and worked out salvation that he

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might save those of mankind
willing to respond brings forth

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bread and wine and so the
commentaries say outside well

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it’s it’s just a regular meal
there’s nothing that associates

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this with uh with with the bread
and wine of christ of course

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that’s that’s stupid exposition
isn’t it this is it is a pre

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echo it points forward paul
writing the hebrews talks about

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the fact that melchizedek was
made like unto christ notes it

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doesn’t say christ was made like
unto him it says he was made

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like unto christ in his
priesthood his priesthood so so

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this man without father without
mother etc in other words god is

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the parents of the lord jesus
christ ultimately this

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individual comes and he blesses
him hey greater bless is salesa

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no abraham had just beaten a
bunch of incredibly powerful

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kings like gideon he had come
rolling by night time with his

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two little teams and conquered
undelivered his brother and all

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of the people that were with him
resubmits and humbles himself

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before melchizedek and the point
that the writer in the hebrews

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make says melchizedek priest was
superior and prior to the

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levitical priesthood he was
outside of the law and above the

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law the levites were in the
loins of abraham generations yet

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to come and they with abraham
bowed down to an humble

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themselves before melchizedek
king of righteousness king of

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peace who is analogous to christ
outside of the law and superior

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to the levitical priesthood and
all of the rituals and all the

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details that are associated with
their work he is above all of

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that as was melchizedek and
abraham your forefather

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acknowledged that when he
submitted to be blessed by the

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one greater than him milk is a
deck so it goes on and it says

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he blessed him and he says
blessed be abram of the most

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high god and i love really is by
by the most high god possessor

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of having a nurse and blessed be
the most high god which has

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delivered zain enemies into thy
hand and so melchizedek

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articulates the right balance no
it’s not that you were a

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superior general who are able as
a guerilla warrior to outfox

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superior forces using your mind
god delivered you god delivered

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jam into your hands god made you
victorious it was god who had

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the victory and it says he gave
him a tenth of all times of all

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no brother john carter and his
commentary on hebrews writes the

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following words abrams oath this
is the author is about to make

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in the presence of melchizedek
this is what it’s about it is

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clear from abraham ‘s words that
in the worship of god in company

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with melchizedek abraham had
made a solemn dedication of

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service to god some intimate
words had passed between priests

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and worshippers and some great
resolve registered the meeting

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had set abrahams course and
giving him the moral earnestness

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to follow it through it meant
refusing the overtures of the

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king of sodom and offering of
repulse to him that could make

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him an embittered enemy when
abraham rejects sodom ‘s offer

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of goods effectively he’s put
himself in this world in an

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absolutely tenuous position but
he did it he nailed his

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spiritual colors to the mass and
so it says the king of sodom

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said unto abraham give me the
people and take the goods to

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yourself because that’s what the
custom was that is what was done

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add think of what that meant all
the money all the gold all the

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silver all the jewelry
associated with the people that

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had come back whatever they had
taken in the way of flocks herds

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all of that which which was fast
wells would have been abrahams

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think of the material security
in this world does that would

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have given him in the world what
would what would you have done

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with that decision abraham makes
a different decision this is

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what april says high and lifted
up my hand unto yahweh L alien

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possessor of heaven and earth so
he makes this decision to the

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wicked adam he makes this
decision all about his god by

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doing that he’s not just
insulting the king by saying no

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to his offer of money he saying
to the king your gods are

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nothing i have made a vow to the
one existing god who is the

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possessor of everything so now
now what he has done is an

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egregious insult pagan king
telling him your religion is all

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rubbish everything you believe
is nothing my god is everything

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and i have promised him i will
not take a thing from you not

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one thing it goes on and he says
but i will not take from us

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thread even a shoe latchet that
i will not take anything that is

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yours remember you are the proud
horrendous king of sodom i just

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foreigner looks at you and says
i want nothing of you at all not

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even a piece of string i want
nothing to do with you what

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would you think how safe would
abby mann dot net and after you

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were over the shock because
nobody had ever talk to you like

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that in your life not once not
even once what would you be

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thinking to do to that man after
abraham says what he says

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abraham then it says lest val
should say i have made abraham

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rich because uh salt i made him
rich we made him rich save only

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that which the young man have
eaten the portion of the men

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which went with me other who’s
made name means boy esco your

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river levee esco whose name
means cluster and memory whose

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name means strikes then there’s
a quiet did abraham has some

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separation between the event and
where he is at the beginning of

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genesis fifteen enough time for
him to become anxious enough

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time for him to realize the
potential implications of what

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he said to the king of sodom the
level of safety and security

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that he has enough time to
reflect on if i had only taken

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that money think of what i could
do with it god says division

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don’t be afraid abraham i of
your shield can we get away the

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sentiment about melchizedek had
said when he said to him less

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would be god who has given you
the victory who put your enemies

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in your power who delivered them
into your hands i am your shield

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don’t be afraid why would he say
don’t because he was afraid men

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and women of faith have times
when they are afraid it doesn’t

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mean you’re not a believer or or
brother or sister in christ of

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substance it just means you’re
human and he was afraid zygarde

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i am your shield then he goes on
and he says and you know all

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that money you walked away from
i am your exceeding great reward

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and what does that would reward
mean would reward means payment

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of contract it convened salary
compensation benefits higher

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reward the word is used in
different places in chapter

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thirty one verse eighteen jacobs
told the ring street shelby zai

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higher and the word higher is
reward numbers eighteen verse

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thirty one and you shall eat it
every place in every place ye

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and your households for it is
your reward for your service in

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the tabernacle of the
congregation so the reward the

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eating of the sacrificial
offerings well that was the

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reward of the men who had that
benefit same word and the word

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is also used in zachariah that
terrible passage where it says

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so they weighed for my price
with price thirty pieces silver

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and some one twenty seven verse
three talks about the fruit of

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the womb is his reward is
everything you lost everything

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you walked away from in this
world so that you could be

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faithful to me i will compensate
you for abraham said abraham

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said behold to me you’ve given
no seed and somebody born in my

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house is my air behold the word
of yahweh came under him saying

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this man shall not be your air
did he that you’ll come forth

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out of line own bowels she’ll be
design it’s night time tell the

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stars that doesn’t mean speak to
them bank teller tell the stars

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and of course it’s it’s not
possible to do that scientists

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today with the biggest
telescopes can only

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mathematically infer how many
stars there might be out there

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and they still don’t know you
can’t count social your CD no

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this is the measure of a man
this is a measure of us as

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believers tell us remember lot
through the veil that obscured

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his vision lot meeting veil saw
the land and it looked lovely to

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his naked human eyes but with
the eyes of faith abraham here’s

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what he just said he doesn’t
laughed cynically he believed in

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the lord and he counted it to
him for righteousness now it

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wasn’t it wasn’t some kind of a
quid pro quo you believe in me

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and then i’ll give you X amount
of righteousness brother jim has

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been at pains to show us that
there isn’t that kind of

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accounting that god is doing is
if there’s a balance sheet that

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he works with like that it’s
about face abraham believed him

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dog gluten and made the choice
to see him as righteous you

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counted that to him as
righteousness the hebrew word

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has a means to think to regard
to compute the greek equivalent

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is legit semi and it means to
reckoned account to computer

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calculate she has all of those
words sound like accounting but

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ultimately what happens is this
god sees U his child trusting

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and believing in him no matter
how desperate no matter how

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tenuous your circumstances maybe
he loves you for it and he sees

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you as righteous for your face
and for the sake of his son to

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whom you have connected yourself
through baptism into his act of

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faith his crucifixion is death
then through the process of

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obtaining the hope of the
resurrection which was the

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result of the consequences of
his perfect obedience in faith

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abraham believed god now this is
the man of tremendous faith

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showing his face but still
having a margin of needing to be

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shown and encouraged to believe
with something more and so he

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says lord god i know that i
shall inherit it just said he

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believed him but it’s just like
gideon with this lease just just

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just give me something to hold
onto i just thought does not say

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to him listen i just told you
didn’t i help you in that battle

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that just occured he doesn’t do
any of that god ‘s not like us

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it doesn’t rail witold angels do
not real steady beat some where

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he is they put things in terms
of what people did then now when

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people were going to have a very
serious binding agreement

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whether we’re willing to stake
their lives on the agreement

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sacrificed animals they would
take animals they would divide

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them down the middle now you
might take a call for instance

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and you would literally split
that animal from the nose all

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the way down to the tail area
for a precise division into two

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pieces meeting both sides have
an equal stake in this promise

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then the halves of the animals
would be organized on both sides

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the animals would be fires would
be lit the people the men would

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come from either side of the
dividing open area between the

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animals that have been split and
would meet in the middle they

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would then after they had made
the promise there covenant eats

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of the offerings together that
was serious business very

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serious actively is if i break
this agreement and you could

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just with the ellipsis dot dot
dot workout the consequence so

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what does god do knowing that’s
what happens culturally knowing

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that is what happens in this
society in which they live and

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knowing also the pre echo to the
lord jesus christ what he would

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do his accomplishment and what
that would entail it says take

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me a hassle three years old the
cheat codes three years old

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totaled over the young pigeon he
took out jim aldisa divided them

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in the midst and they each piece
one against the other but the

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birds divided he not there were
too small and when falls and

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sorry falls came down upon the
caucuses abraham drove them away

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and when the sun was going down
a deep sleep phillip on abraham

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hello and horror great darkness
fell apart do you set on the

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apron over shorty dice each will
be a stranger in orlando and

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she’ll serve them four hundred
years but also that nation whom

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they shall serve will i judge
afterwards so they come out with

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great substance dow jones go to
my father ‘s and peace thou

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shalt be buried in a good old
age but in the fourth generation

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they shall come hit her again
for the iniquity of the armor

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rights is not yet full when the
sun went down and it was dark

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behold a smoking furnace and a
burning lamp that passed between

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those pieces so imagine the one
man coming from the one end of

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those arranged sacrifices so
that he could make his

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commitment to that promise that
covenant who’s the one man the

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same thing that they saw in the
wilderness the pillar of fire

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the pillar of cloud fiery thing
i know that incredible glow and

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fire associated with god harry
is jewel manifested in this this

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this this coming through
demonstrating gods commitment to

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the covenant abraham doesn’t get
to do that yet he does that

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effectively symbolically and
chapter seventeen when god will

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say to him as for your part this
is what you will do about

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effectively is is is abraham
walking from his side through

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the sacrificial offerings
agreeing with yahweh so that

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they both are together and
disagreement no it says period

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of time abraham drove away the
birds you remember that

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wonderful session we had last
night or the eagles you will not

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soon forget that will you and
that image of the end that

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dramatic image of the double
headed eagle not easily

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forgotten eagles but the
caucuses there will the eagles

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be gathered matthew would write
god through matthew the exposure

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of the caucuses attracted the
attention of hungry birds of

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prey but abraham kept watch and
repeatedly drove them off

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suggestion has been made here
was symbolized the frequent

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ignorant attempts that have been
made over the centuries by

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gentile nations to thwart gods
purpose with israel during the

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long period that that nation has
been like a slaughtered carcass

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in a figure abraham has
continued to keep watch over his

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own israel continues to be a
nation beloved for the father ‘s

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sake the symbolism the symbolism
of daniel four verse twelve

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where again the birds of heaven
symbolize the polyglot that’s

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multilingual multilanguage
nations of the world appears to

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support this interpretation and
then he he points uh to some

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other cross references we can
look at and of course is matthew

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twenty four it was twenty eight
uh there’s also habakkuk one

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versus sixty eight which brother
roger showed us last night and

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also deuteronomy chapter twenty
eight verse forty nine so

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abraham driving away the birds
is like the effect of the

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promises as a protective canopy
to some degree through the ages

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over the jewish people horror of
great darkness if you if you are

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a jew today you might look at
that and see something which

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interpretatively reminds you of
the holocaust which was a horror

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of great doctors and then the
torch the furnace would have

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different echoes for you but for
us as bible students

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christadelphians in a room
together horror of great

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darkness well it could be
typical of the darkness which

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which which isn’t descended over
the land on the day of the

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crucifixion as christ was dying
on the cross david uses the same

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word translated horror in some
fifty five verse four where he

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says the terrors of death of
falling on me horror great

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darkness it could also refer to
the fact that the falling asleep

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the darkness is going to entail
death resurrection to life for

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abraham and all those you see
how god it is loving kindness

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and compassion beach abraham
mary is his ideas and concepts

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that you can understand as a man
leaving in his world at a

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particular point in time god
doesn’t believe me because i

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said so he could have said that
to be absolutely appropriate in

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jewish history but in this
instance the gentleness be

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compassion the embassy he
demonstrates to the to the one

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who is his friend who who is all
of us all of us because it

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wasn’t just a levi ‘s over here
in his loins we were in his

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spiritual noise as it were all
the seed the adopted see the

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grafted in branch god has that
same loving care for us where we

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are P well remove on then it
says this eighteen same day the

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lord made a covenant with
abraham saying device seed will

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i give this land from the river
of egypt all the way to the

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river euphrates not lots of
piece of land i’m going to give

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it to you and to your seed so
there’s there’s there’s a sense

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of the scale of what is being
given by god abraham now we’re

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going to skip chapter sixteen
’cause will look at that when we

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get back together tomorrow deal
with the situation of abimelech

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but just a very very very quick
and cursory glance at genesis

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seventeen going to five minutes
worth of that when abraham was

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nineteen years old and nine
yahweh appeared to abraham and

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sent it to him i am L shadai
elsadig strikes yes mighty ones

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L O R I T one arrow strikes
shadai the word should i is

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founded on words breast shut i
means breasts wondered means

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power bites request both of them
are appropriate for your way

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both and both are engaged in the
loving protection of abraham and

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his seed the nurturing loving
mother leanness of god well

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where does the motherly instinct
of women come from from gods

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from god does god created both
male and female all the

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attributes that we have anything
that is worthwhile in US comes

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from him so we shouldn’t be a
total trouble to hear god

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referring to himself with a
title that is talking about what

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we would associate with our mom
‘s and us as babies I M L shadai

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pizza he says to him walk before
maine and bees out perfect jim

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kelly suggested walk before me
could be translated literally

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walk as though you are in my
presence zoe noah walked with

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god walk with me beetle perfect
right and because we know what

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we are made of and we already
think well that’s it stories

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over for me but but with perfect
does not mean sit in las that

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that’s not what he’s talking
about there’s not talking about

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sinlessness means that would be
perfect has to do with

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blamelessness don’t be an
individual who lives in the

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world like a sodomite like
somebody who is from gomorrah

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live in the world like someone
who has faith ND you know you go

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to bible schools and they have a
multitude of rules and

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regulations this one wisely
makes it harder like law and

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grace lawyers richard richard
richard right because then you

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know exactly what you have to do
and how to get around the rules

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the more you have the better you
get it by passing them but when

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the rules are do what you ought
to do you are in vice because

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now you know well i have to act
like a grown up right i have to

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behave in a in an orderly and
responsible fashion that’s what

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this is like walk before me and
being accountable responsible

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mature chase believer so he says
i will make a covenant with you

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well didn’t he just make a
covenant well what do you mean i

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will make a covenant with you is
if one is already not made it

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must mean i will now implement
the covenant taking it to that

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stage right now it’s it’s moving
forward no it has been thirteen

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years since god last spoke to
him or at least thirteen years

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since dish meals been around
it’s a very long time isn’t it

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thirteen years now for you to be
a matter of face continuing

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without that connection of the
voice of god for thirteen years

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is is a measure of the face
abraham he talks about

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multiplying his seat exceedingly
as for maine these are the

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things that he’s going to be
doing i’m going to make you a

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multitudinous seed you were
going to be a father of not just

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one nation that is multitudinous
in itself but a multitude of

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nations so you’re going to be a
father of gentiles no just your

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own descendants everybody is
going to be your children who

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are tide to your seat i will
stop there pick it up briefly

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tomorrow and continue forward
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