037: Philip Davidson – Depression and Discipleship

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This week’s classes by Brother
Philip Davidson.

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It’s called depression and
discipleship.

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This is a fantastic class of
rather.

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Philip is a doctor.
He called himself a rural doctor

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in Australia, and he does a
really good job detailing kind

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of the specific diagnosis of
major depression, which was

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really helpful for me as someone
who obviously has been affected

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by depression in my in my life
as I think all they all have.

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Bye.
Ourselves our loved ones and it

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was just really helpful to hear
him kind of detail it and an

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understandable way and then
relate how we as disciples can

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deal with it in ourselves or
help others and in our

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communities and in our colleges,
so this is a excellent excellent

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class really excited to share it
with you.

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So we’ll jump right into it.
This is Well, I think we’re

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going to leave the there’s a
reading at the beginning of

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Isaiah 35.
So we’re leaving that as well as

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the intro to the class by
Brother Jason bovis.

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So the first voice you’ll hear
is brother Jason’s doing an

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intro to the class.
We’re going to keep all that in

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the in the talk.
So here we go.

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This is depression and
discipleship by Brother Philip

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Davidson.
Good evening brothers and

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sisters in young people.
As the Apostle Paul spread the

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good news of the gospel of grace
unto the Gentiles as we read

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about in the book of Acts.
We learned that he was

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persecuted by a group of Jews
and not only did they reject the

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message of Paul for themselves,
but they also tried to prevent

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others from believing it as
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The hatred of the Jews reached
such a crescendo and Lister that

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they stoned Paul and they
dragged him out of the city

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supposing him to be dead.
It wasn’t until the disciples

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gathered around him.
He rose up and went into the

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city in the next day.
He departed with Barnabas to

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Derby.
It was at Derby that he made the

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decision to return to the cities
that he visited to lystra

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Iconium and to Antioch and he
had one critical message.

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And that message was we must
through many tribulations enter

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the kingdom of God and so it is
brothers and sisters that we met

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intellectually understand that
following the steps of the Lord

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Jesus Christ means that we have
to suffer with him.

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But sometimes the reality of
that emotionally flattens us

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sometimes life this side of the
Kingdom depresses us and so this

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evening.
We are privileged to share

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brother Phil Davidson’s study
with us from the Victor Harbor

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Ecclesia to share some thoughts
of his around the theme

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depression and discipleship.
To prepare our minds for brother

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feels words this evening.
We will call upon brother Shem

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Jameson to read Isaiah chapter
53 chapter 35 the Wilderness and

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the solitary Place shall be glad
for them and the desert shall

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rejoice and Blossom as the rose
it shall Blossom abundantly and

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rejoice even with joy and
singing The Glory of Lebanon

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shall be given unto it the
Excellency of Carmel and Sharon.

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They shall see the glory of
Yahweh and the Excellency of our

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God.
Strengthen you the weekends and

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confirm the feeble knees say to
them that are of a fearful heart

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be strong fear.
Not behold.

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Your God will come with
vengeance even god with a

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recompense.
He will come and save you then

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the eyes of the blind shall be
opened and the ears of the deaf

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shall be unstopped then shall
the lame man leap as in heart

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and the tongue of the dumb sing
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Have Waters break out and
streams in the desert.

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And the parched ground shall
become a pool and the Thirsty

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land Springs of water in the
habitation of dragons where each

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lay shall be grass with reeds
and rushes.

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And in Highway shall be there
and a way and it shall be called

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the way of Holiness the unclean
shall not pass over it but it

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shall be for those the wayfaring
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Those fools shall not enter
therein.

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No lion, shall be there.
Not any ravenous beasts shall go

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up there on it.
Shall not be found there, but

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the redeemed shall walk there.
And The Ransom of Yahweh shall

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return and come to Zion with
songs in Everlasting Joy upon

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their heads.
They shall obtain joy and

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gladness and sorrow and sighing
shall flee away.

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And I would like to call Brother
Phil Davidson for to speak to

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the topic depression and
discipleship. thank you, brother

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Jason and good evening, my dear
brothers and sisters and and

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young people brother Jason
Isaiah 53 would have been a very

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appropriate reading also and and
in fact, we will be returning

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there at later on this evening
sister Susan and I bring with us

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the the loving greetings of your
brothers and sisters who meet in

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the in Victor Harbor of thank
you for inviting me to be here

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the Evening depression and
discipleship is a is an unusual

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topic for a Bible class, isn’t
it?

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It’s certainly not something
that we would normally consider

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that we would discuss and think
about with our Bible classes.

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So I do appreciate the
opportunity to come and share

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some thoughts with you
depression is a very common

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problem, but it’s also a problem
which historically has not been

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well understood within the
Brotherhood and that purely

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reflects the fact that
depression hasn’t really been

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very well understood in The
Wider Community either but it’s

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a very common problem.
It’s certainly a problem that

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has significantly affected my
family and I’m sure that there

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would be a number of us here
this evening who have had

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struggles with depression and
I’m sure that all of us would

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know somebody in that situation
I certainly don’t profess to

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have all the answers not by any
stretch of the imagination.

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But what I’m hoping we can do
this evening is to have a look

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at some of the principles
together what depression is how

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depression may affect our life
in the truth how it may affect

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other people’s lives and some of
the things that can be done to

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try to assist ourselves or
others who have problems with

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depression.
For those of you who don’t know

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me particularly over the last 22
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I’ve been a rural general
practitioner and for the last 12

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of those years that’s been Down
in go over I deliver babies at

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the Victor Harbor Hospital.
I visit 290 bed nursing homes

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every week in Gula and my
practicing Google makes me deal

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with all sorts of different
clinical problems from newborn

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babies right through to the
other end of life, and it would

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be an incredibly unusual day
that I wouldn’t have to deal

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with the problem of Of
depression and so it is it is

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something that is incredibly
common and it’s a difficult and

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and a challenging area.
So let’s let’s start to examine

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the subject together.
Now poor old Eeyore isn’t

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looking very happy there and
then your is never particularly

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happy.
All of us have felt like Eeyore.

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When the Elohim created Adam in
their image and likeness, he was

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created to be able to have an
emotion to be able to respond to

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his heavenly father in an
emotional way life would be

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incredibly Bland incredibly
sterile if we weren’t able to

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express emotion to be able to
laugh.

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To be able to cry. to be able to
empathize with each other to be

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able to feel so feeling sad is
completely normal.

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It would be horrible if we
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loss of someone close to us.
So all of us have felt like

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Eeyore.
All of us have felt depressed.

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And that’s normal. so then what
what actually am I talking about

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when it comes to the topic of
depression and discipleship

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well, Depression or clinically
as it’s better known major

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depression is a lot more than
just a low mood.

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It’s an illness.
So as we’ve said we all feel sad

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or Moody at times at some people
experience those emotions very

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intensely and for long periods
of time and often without any

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obvious reason for it.
It’s very important for us to

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understand right at the outset
that the brain is an organ of

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the body.
The brain is the body rather is

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made up of all sorts of
different organs.

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The largest one in the most
visible as the spin but there’s

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the heart the lungs the liver
the intestine.

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They’re all different organs and
the brain is an organ.

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It’s a very special organ of the
body.

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We still don’t really understand
how it works in many ways, but

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it is a physical part of us.
And all organs of the body can

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develop illnesses and not
function properly and the brain

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is no different to that the
brain can experience an illness.

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It can experience many illnesses
just like any other organ of the

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body you can develop skin
cancer.

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You can develop high blood
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You can develop chronic
obstructive pulmonary disease or

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emphysema.
All different organs of the body

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can have different illnesses.
The brain is no different.

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What is very different about
illnesses of the brain though is

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that if I was to fall down those
stairs afterwards and break my

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leg.
I would be able to use my brain

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to work out that well that that
had happened.

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I’m not going to drive home.
I’m going to have to ring up and

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cancel appointments tomorrow.
I’ll be able to talk to a doctor

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that looks after me and know
exactly what sort of treatments

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going to be required in short.
It’s my brain that helps me to

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cope with that sudden
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If I suddenly developed bowel
cancer, it’s my brain that helps

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me to cope with that.
What makes mental illness so

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much more difficult is that as
the organ of the body that we

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use to cope that has the problem
that’s not working properly and

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that that really does make
mental illness are far more

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difficult proposition to suffer
and to help somebody with so

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that’s a really fundamental
point that I’d like us all to

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remember.
So if I’ve said that sadness is

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normal and major depression is
abnormal.

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How do we how do we
differentiate because it’s

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actually very difficult because
the symptoms are very similar

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but it is different firstly the
severity of the low mood the

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sadness.
One way that I used to determine

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whether somebody that I’m
talking to is suffering from

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major depression is after 15
minutes of talking to that

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person.
Am I feeling sad myself because

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someone with proper depression
just emanates that that mood and

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and you get almost get sucked
into it as well.

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It’s really quite a significant
thing.

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Clinically, we feel that someone
has to have a depressed mood for

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at least two weeks solid to be
considered to be potentially

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suffering from the illness of
major depression.

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So yeah, we all have bad days
that that’s normal.

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We you know, many of us might,
you know, either figuratively or

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literally cry ourselves to
sleep.

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That doesn’t mean that we’ve got
depression.

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But if you feel like that the
assistant Lee for two weeks Then

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it’s certainly a possibility.
And there are characteristic

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symptoms of depression that also
are associated with the

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condition and we’re just going
to run through those symptoms

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now to just to build up a
clearer picture of what it is

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that depression is so obviously
I’m markedly depressed mood

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Winston Churchill called it the
black dog.

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That is a really interesting way
of describing.

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The the real darkness of the
mood that someone with

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depression has so they
completely lose all interest and

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enjoyment.
So someone who previously has

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really enjoyed perhaps you are
getting down into the shed and

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doing would work suddenly.
It doesn’t interest them

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anymore.
They just don’t get that same

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level of enjoyment or
satisfaction from things that

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they used to there’s a
significantly reduced

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self-esteem and self-confidence.
Now we know that we are supposed

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to be meek we supposed to be
gentle.

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But it’s also in an innate part
of us the way that God has

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created us that we do have a
sense of self-worth that we’re

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not worthless.
Someone with depression feels

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worthless.
They often also feel very guilty

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over things that really they
shouldn’t necessarily feel

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guilty about it all and are
unable to be reassured that they

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will not respond to the normal.
You know, that that’s okay.

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You didn’t really mean that or
yeah that it’s just again this

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this unnatural depth of emotions
that we all experience and that

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again, it’s what it makes it.
It makes it difficult.

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These are all things that we all
experience. ins but someone with

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a mental illness of major
depression experience these

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things in a very unnatural very
not normal way and in a way that

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those of us who never have
experienced depression find it

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really hard to understand or to
relate to so there’s no very

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Bleak very pessimistic views of
the future no light at the end

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of the tunnel.
So to speak just a feeling of No

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Way Out This is where we start
to get really serious.

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I actually read yesterday.
It was in the media that that

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suicide is the most common form
of death in Australia in all

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people under the age of 44.
seven a day in Australia That’s

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that’s horrible, isn’t it?
We all we all know that breast

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cancer lung cancer can be fatal.
We need to understand that major

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depression can also be fatal?
If someone feels worthless.

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If someone is wrapped with guilt
if someone can see no, hope for

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the future. if someone hates
themself Then it’s actually

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natural to think about not being
around anymore.

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It’s a natural consequence of
thinking abnormally like that

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when you’ve got an organ that’s
working.

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Abnormally that has an illness.
Sometimes physical pain can be

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easier to cope with than the
type of mental anguish that

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someone with severe depression
experiences.

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So acts of self-harm are
incredibly common particularly

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in younger people with
depression.

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It’s not it’s not crazy.
It’s what somebody does when

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they are suffering this type of
an illness.

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It’s a symptom of the illness
just like shortness of breath is

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a symptom of pneumonia.
These feelings are symptoms of

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depression.
Disturbed sleep is very common

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either difficulty falling off to
sleep or something called early

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morning wakening someone with
depression often wakes up at

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about three o’clock in the
morning regularly and is unable

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to get back off to sleep and
that in the right context is

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actually a fairly specific
symptom of depression.

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Disturbed appetite usually poor
appetite occasionally overeating

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but that again is a very common
symptom of this illness.

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A decreased libido and that’s
certainly something that we

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don’t often talk about with each
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But again, it can have an
extremely detrimental effect on

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somebody’s well-being and a very
detrimental effect as far as a

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marriage relationship is
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There’s a decrease energy
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Reduce concentration of that
that is very common their

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ability to sit down and take
things in can be severely

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compromised and a decrease in
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Diana mood variation that’s a
just a fancy way of saying that

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people with major depression
usually feel much worse in the

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morning.
So mornings tend to be the

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hardest time for somebody with
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Someone with severe depression
can start to hallucinate or have

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delusions and that’s that’s what
the word psychosis means someone

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who’s having psychotic symptoms
either sees things or hears

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things that aren’t really there
or they have a very fixed

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abnormal belief or a delusion.
It’s also very necessary to

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remember that not everybody with
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of these symptoms.
Some of them will be a lot more

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significant than others.
Some of them might be there at

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all.
I’d be individual variation as

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with all things to do with with
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No two of us are the same and
that certainly applies for

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depression.
Now other things can cause the

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same sort of symptoms and that
that’s worth obviously bearing

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in mind.
So an underactive thyroid gland

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can make you feel lethargic.
It can affect your appetite your

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sleep.
And so that’s a very important

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thing for our for a doctor to
check in someone who’s

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presenting with symptoms of
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An infectious disease like
glandular fever for example can

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present with many of those
symptoms certain medications and

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certainly certain illicit drugs
can also cause symptoms over a

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period of time very similar to
what we see in depression.

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Bereavement is certainly a
situation that we all go through

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as as life goes on we tend to
experience bereavement more

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often as our as our parents and
then our friends and siblings

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start to pass away and
bereavement can certainly cause

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incredibly intense feelings of
sadness and grief, but that’s

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that’s normal.
It’s a normal human emotion.

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Bereavement can become abnormal
we can go on too long.

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It can itself be a one of the
causes of a depressive Illness

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but in itself, that’s a very
normal thing.

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And there are other mental
illnesses that can also present

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like depression schizophrenia is
where psychotic symptoms are.

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Usually really quite prominent.
It’s a disordered problem with

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with cognition or thinking
Bipolar disorder is not is often

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associated with incredibly
intense periods of depression,

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but also usually counterbalanced
at other times of the person’s

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life with what’s called hyper
Mania or or in it’s more severe

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form Mania where someone becomes
the opposite of depressed.

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They become incredibly confident
sometimes little bit irritable,

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but very confident they can
overspend they do things that

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they wouldn’t normally do they
lack the usual constraints

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because again, their brain isn’t
working properly the frontal

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lobe which normally keeps us
where we’re supposed to be

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socially is no longer working as
it should and someone bipolar

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disorder has this really very
difficult interrelationship

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between depression and hypomania
obsessive compulsive disorder is

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a very real Mental illness also
someone suffering that illness

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often has compulsions to perform
activities over and over again

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or they have obsessions and
thoughts worries about their

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health or other factors that can
become very distressing and very

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debilitating and because of that
distress that person can present

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with depression depressed
thoughts.

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Anxiety disorders also are
almost always associated with

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some depressive thoughts as most
depressive illnesses have an

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aspect of anxiety associated
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And a really important one to
remember is dementia dementia

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and depression in an older
person can be incredibly similar

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very very similar and one of the
key things for a health worker

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to be aware of is the fact that
an older person who appears to

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be presenting with dementia, May
in fact be depressed.

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Like last year, I saw a patient
for the first time.

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He was in his early 80s.
He was having significant

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problems with memory and and as
such I did what we call a

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dementia screen various
investigations got him back

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after that and it was that
second visit that the the penny

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dropped a bit that a lot of his
conversation was incredibly

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depressed.
He was ruminating on An illness

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that his wife had and she
actually got over that illness.

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There was just something that
suddenly struck me that this

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person may be depressed.
We do something called a mini

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mental state test to diagnose
dementia and this this chap

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scored 17 out of 30, which is
really quite significantly

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abnormal.
He accepted the the idea of

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going on to an antidepressant
medication for weeks later.

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He came back into my room scored
28 out of 30 and his wife said

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that she and her children felt
that she had a husband and they

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had have bear father back. so
that was a very clear example

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just in my experience in the
last six months of someone who

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presented to all intents and
purposes as having dementia, but

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who when treated for depression
regained Wellness So how common

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is this condition depression
quite remarkably, it’s estimated

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that between 20 and 25% of us
will experience depression at

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some stage in our lives.
It can occur at any age and

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approximately one in 20 of us
will experience an episode of

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depression sufficient to
significantly affect our ability

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to conduct our day-to-day lives.
So that’s that’s common.

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Isn’t it?
Obviously very common.

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What causes it?
I’ve said that this is a proper

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physical illness before you
know, what do we know about what

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causes depression?
I like and depression a little

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bit in this regard to diabetes
diabetes is something that we

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all obviously except as being a
proper physical illness.

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Someone with diabetes is more
likely to have that because one

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or more of their parents or
relatives have diabetes.

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There’s a genetic aspect to
diabetes.

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There are lifestyle aspects to
diabetes.

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If someone is overweight,
they’re more likely to develop

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type 2 diabetes if they don’t
exercise similarly, so there are

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there are lifestyle factors.
And there are also factors that

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we don’t really know about yet
because there’s people with no

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family history that exercise.
Well that are not overweight

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that still get diabetes and vice
versa.

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Depressions very much the same
if you have friend, if you have

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family that has depression then
your risk yourself of developing

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depression is certainly more
significant.

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There are lifestyle factors.
If you like that are also

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significant stressful life
events.

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There are certain personalities
of us that seemed to be a little

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bit more prone to developing
depression.

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If someone’s you know of a
quieter nature if someone tends

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to be very particular about what
they do tend to ruminate a lot

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that that personality style
perhaps is more prone to

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developing. action severe other
illness certain medications

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drugs and over use of alcohol
also a risk factors for

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developing depression.
So there are different factors

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as well that can go into the
mix.

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There are also aspects that we
still don’t understand most of

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us would have heard the term a
chemical imbalance used in the

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context of depression will have
a brief look at that a little

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bit closer shortly, but the fact
that there are Patients that can

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vary significantly assist in the
treatment of depression.

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There’s also a very good
indicator that it is an organic

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illness a real physical illness
and this this is one way of

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summing up I suppose what may
cause depression.

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So the in the management of
mental disorders volume one,

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that’s a few years old now, but
it’s still I think a good

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summary despite the lack of
clinical evidence about the

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exact causes of depression it Is
reasonable to conclude that

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depression is a genetic and
biological disorder that is

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affected by life stress and
personality style.

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So it’s multifactorial.
That’s one way of putting it.

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So What treatments are available
It’s amazing.

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How useful the simple Act of
talking to somebody is to be

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able to to unburden is
incredibly important and very

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very useful.
Different forms of psychotherapy

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can be useful cognitive therapy
is where somebody has helped to

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identify harmful ways that they
are thinking and to correct that

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pattern of thought and
behavioral therapy is looking at

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behaviors that might be
contributing to the depressive

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illness just a just a quick
differentiation between a

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psychologist and a psychiatrist
a psychologist is someone who

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has a tertiary degree.
In Psychology, obviously,

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they’re not doctors, but they
have looked at the specific area

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of psychology, which is helping
somebody to change the way that

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they’re thinking now, I think as
a as an organization, that’s the

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wrong word.
But as a as a faith, we as

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christadelphians I think have
sometimes had problems with

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people that might change the way
that we think Now, I think it’s

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actually really important that
we get back then to that initial

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thought of that depression
affecting an organ of the body.

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These people are are trained to
help with illnesses of a

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particular organ of the body.
None of us worry about seeing a

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podiatrist to our feet.
You know, we don’t tend to be

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concerned that we might come to
some harm because we go to a

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podiatrist and I think it’s
important that we also don’t

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feel that we’re going to come to
any harm if we go to see a

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psychologist.
Just because again, the brain is

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a part of the body just like the
40th.

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A psychologist worth this with
their ticket is not going to try

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and turn somebody away from the
truth.

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If the truth provides a
supportive nurturing environment

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for an individual a psychologist
going to support that and and

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encourage any of this to
maintain that Association.

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So suppose instead of being a
little bit wary of

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psychologists.
We need to be wary that.

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We are providing a supportive
nurturing environment and are

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not in fact part of the problem.
So that that’s I think

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important.
Psychologists differ from

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psychiatrists psychiatrists are
medical doctors who have

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specialized in Psychiatry or
disorders of the brain.

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So just like a surgeon is a
doctor who specialized in

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00:33:20,200 –> 00:33:23,600
surgery or an obstetrician is a
doctor who specializes in

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00:33:23,600 –> 00:33:28,500
obstetrics a psychiatrist is a
doctor who specializes in mental

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illness.
Something called mindfulness

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00:33:32,600 –> 00:33:36,300
training that that can also be
very useful and there are you

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00:33:36,300 –> 00:33:39,500
know simple apps that you can
get for for your tablet.

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For example that can help to to
calm somebody’s thinking and to

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assist in a very a very
straightforward way.

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Really, although it’s a
difficult process to master, but

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it also can be very useful
medications is I said before can

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be extremely useful and there’s
a whole whole raft of them there

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00:34:04,600 –> 00:34:10,300
that can assist people quite
significantly mild to moderate

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00:34:10,300 –> 00:34:13,300
depression actually often
doesn’t need medication

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00:34:13,800 –> 00:34:16,800
supportive counseling and often
cognitive behavior.

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00:34:16,800 –> 00:34:20,900
Therapy can be all that.
Somebody needs moderate to

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00:34:20,900 –> 00:34:26,300
severe depression and can be
helped quite significantly with

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00:34:26,300 –> 00:34:29,100
medication and the modern
medication.

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So everything below below the
first one don’t cause over

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00:34:33,699 –> 00:34:39,500
sedation as a rule they are not
addictive and and generally

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00:34:40,500 –> 00:34:44,199
although not necessarily
side-effect free with a little

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00:34:44,199 –> 00:34:47,900
bit of educator trial and error.
It’s always possible to find one

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00:34:47,900 –> 00:34:53,199
that will actually be of
assistance just a brief mention

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00:34:53,199 –> 00:34:56,600
two of something which is wildly
misunderstood in the general

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00:34:56,600 –> 00:34:59,900
Community electroconvulsive
therapy or ECT.

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00:35:00,100 –> 00:35:04,600
A PCT got a really really bad
name back in the 30s and 40s

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00:35:04,600 –> 00:35:07,900
when it was administered with no
anesthetic and that’s just

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Dreadful these days.
It’s administered under a full

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anesthetic.
It’s just simply the passage of

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00:35:14,508 –> 00:35:16,300
electrical current through the
brain.

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00:35:16,700 –> 00:35:23,200
It’s completely painless it can
cause some memory issues that

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are usually short term.
But it can be absolutely

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life-saving particularly for an
older person with severe

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depression.
Absolutely life-saving.

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So if you hear of somebody
needing ECT and I would be very

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surprised if most of us here
over the age of 60 don’t know

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somebody who’s needed it.
It’s certainly nothing to be

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00:35:49,400 –> 00:35:54,700
fearful of It’s actually an
incredibly useful rarely needed

484
00:35:54,700 –> 00:36:00,800
but doubly useful treatment for
depression So the medication

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00:36:00,800 –> 00:36:05,400
works by affecting three
different up to three different

486
00:36:05,400 –> 00:36:09,000
neurotransmitters
norepinephrine, which is how

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00:36:09,000 –> 00:36:12,800
it’s spoken about in America at
noradrenaline in Australia

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00:36:13,300 –> 00:36:19,700
dopamine and serotonin.
Now the common medications are

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serotonin reuptake Inhibitors
what that means is that the

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00:36:23,900 –> 00:36:27,800
serotonin is released from one
nerve ending travels down and

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00:36:27,800 –> 00:36:32,500
gets into a little receptor.
And that’s how one nerve

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00:36:32,600 –> 00:36:38,100
communicates with another so it
releases a substance goes across

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00:36:38,100 –> 00:36:41,500
a little Gap and lodges into a
receptor.

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We wonderfully and fearfully
made how that makes us think we

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00:36:48,000 –> 00:36:54,600
don’t know but it has to do with
how we think. what the

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medications do is block off
these little reuptake channels,

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00:37:00,200 –> 00:37:04,400
which then means that there’s
more serotonin in the Gap and we

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00:37:04,408 –> 00:37:08,000
know that if we increase the
amount of Serotonin between

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nerve cells neurons, We feel
less depressed.

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Why we don’t know but we know
that that’s what happens and

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00:37:19,600 –> 00:37:23,600
that’s that’s how these
medications quite simply work

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00:37:24,000 –> 00:37:28,100
and they do work that that
gentleman that I mentioned a

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00:37:28,107 –> 00:37:30,800
little while ago whose
mini-mental state test went from

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00:37:30,800 –> 00:37:34,000
severely abnormal to normal in a
month.

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And that’s that’s not unusual.
If someone has proper depression

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00:37:39,800 –> 00:37:43,600
and they need these medications
they do they do work.

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00:37:45,700 –> 00:37:50,200
So just summing up this sort of
first half of the talk if you

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00:37:50,200 –> 00:37:54,000
like depression is an illness.
It’s not a character defect.

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00:37:54,000 –> 00:37:57,800
It’s not a weakness.
I’d love I’d love to be able to

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00:37:57,800 –> 00:38:02,000
put into the collection bag next
Sunday a dollar for every time

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00:38:02,300 –> 00:38:06,300
one of my patients has said to
me I can’t have depression

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00:38:06,300 –> 00:38:11,700
because I am stronger than that.
Whether we’re strong or weak has

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00:38:11,700 –> 00:38:15,600
got nothing to do as to whether
we get depressed or not.

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00:38:16,000 –> 00:38:19,900
Nothing at all.
None of us say we can’t possibly

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00:38:19,900 –> 00:38:23,300
have high blood pressure because
I’m stronger than that wouldn’t

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00:38:23,300 –> 00:38:26,000
dream of saying that but for
some reason with mental illness

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00:38:26,000 –> 00:38:32,400
we we there’s a stigma and and
we deal with it differently and

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00:38:32,400 –> 00:38:36,100
we really shouldn’t so it’s a
proper illness.

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00:38:37,200 –> 00:38:40,500
Importantly recovery is the rule
someone severely depressed won’t

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00:38:40,500 –> 00:38:44,700
believe that they won’t be able
to see that but that’s true.

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00:38:45,100 –> 00:38:49,800
It is far more common to recover
than not to there’s a range of

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00:38:49,800 –> 00:38:54,500
treatments goal of the treatment
is to get well and to stay well.

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00:38:55,600 –> 00:38:58,300
There is though quite a high
rate of relapse.

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00:38:58,300 –> 00:39:00,600
If someone’s had one bad of
depression.

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There’s at least a 50% chance
that they will have another one

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00:39:03,600 –> 00:39:06,900
at some point in their lives.
So that that’s important to

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00:39:06,900 –> 00:39:11,500
remember and so it’s really
important to be able to pick up

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00:39:11,500 –> 00:39:15,600
the early warnings of a relapse
and get onto treatment again

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00:39:15,900 –> 00:39:21,500
quickly. now Is there a
depression in the Bible?

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00:39:22,800 –> 00:39:24,700
Okay.
Well the word depression

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00:39:24,800 –> 00:39:28,200
actually doesn’t doesn’t occur.
Although brother.

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00:39:28,200 –> 00:39:31,400
Jason got clothes in his
introduction.

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00:39:32,300 –> 00:39:35,200
But again that’s actually normal
better normal depression.

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00:39:35,300 –> 00:39:40,900
It’s not not an illness.
Now Mana rager isn’t mentioned

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00:39:40,900 –> 00:39:44,200
in the Bible.
But a woman with a horrible

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00:39:44,200 –> 00:39:49,100
issue of blood is congestive
cardiac failure is not mentioned

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00:39:49,100 –> 00:39:55,300
in the bible, but dropsy is
Depression is not mentioned in

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00:39:55,300 –> 00:40:01,600
the bible, but it is there.
Turn with me to First of Kings

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00:40:01,600 –> 00:40:24,900
chapter 19 and verse 4.
So first of Kings 19, we’re

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00:40:24,900 –> 00:40:29,200
dealing with dealing with Elijah
and Elijah had to deal with an

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00:40:29,200 –> 00:40:31,800
awful lot.
He had to deal with Jezebel and

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00:40:31,800 –> 00:40:35,700
Ahab.
And we pick the record up in

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00:40:35,700 –> 00:40:40,100
verse two then Jezebel sent a
messenger unto Elijah saying so

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00:40:40,100 –> 00:40:44,300
let the gods do to me and more.
Also if I make not thy life as

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the life of one of them by
tomorrow about this time.

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00:40:48,700 –> 00:40:52,700
And when Elijah saw that he
arose and went for his life and

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00:40:52,700 –> 00:40:56,700
came to be a Shiba which belong
with to Judah and left his

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00:40:56,700 –> 00:41:00,200
servant there.
But he himself went a Day’s

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00:41:00,200 –> 00:41:04,100
Journey Into the Wilderness and
came and sat down under a

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00:41:04,107 –> 00:41:08,800
juniper tree and he requested
for himself that he might die

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00:41:09,700 –> 00:41:13,700
and said it is enough now o
Yahweh.

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00:41:13,900 –> 00:41:19,400
Take away my life for I am not
better than my father’s and as

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00:41:19,400 –> 00:41:22,900
he lay and slept under a juniper
tree behold then an angel

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00:41:23,000 –> 00:41:25,300
touched him and said unto him
arise and eat.

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00:41:27,500 –> 00:41:31,500
Elijah here is depressed.
He wants to die.

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00:41:32,500 –> 00:41:36,200
His lost motivation is lying
under a tree.

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00:41:37,500 –> 00:41:40,600
Is not eating the angel has to
force him to eat.

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Elijah here is suffering a
depressive illness.

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Unfortunately through the
ministration of God through his

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00:41:50,300 –> 00:41:53,800
angels.
He was able to recover from then

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00:41:54,300 –> 00:41:57,200
but there’s no doubt at all that
that is a description of someone

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00:41:57,400 –> 00:42:03,600
suffering from depression.
Those of us who were privileged

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00:42:03,600 –> 00:42:06,900
enough to be able to be up at
Glen like a couple of weeks ago

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00:42:07,300 –> 00:42:13,500
heard our brother Carl talked
about King Saul he and in first

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00:42:13,500 –> 00:42:18,400
of Samuel 16 and first 2 Samuel
18, which we won’t turn to there

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00:42:18,400 –> 00:42:22,600
are there are descriptions of
solve are being afflicted by an

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00:42:22,600 –> 00:42:25,800
evil spirit brother.
Carl actually used the word

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00:42:25,800 –> 00:42:30,900
Melancholia, which is an older
term for Depression in

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00:42:30,900 –> 00:42:35,800
describing this illness that’s
all experienced which David’s

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playing on a heart help to help
to mitigate.

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So again, someone suffering a
mental illness in the scriptures

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00:42:46,100 –> 00:42:50,000
obviously not called that
because people didn’t use those

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00:42:50,000 –> 00:42:55,300
terms in those days.
There’s no evidence to suggest

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00:42:55,300 –> 00:43:01,100
that David himself ever suffered
from a mental illness called

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00:43:01,100 –> 00:43:05,500
that we call now depression, but
certainly in the writings in the

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00:43:05,500 –> 00:43:08,700
Psalms.
David is able to express

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00:43:09,000 –> 00:43:13,200
feelings that any of us who have
had depression would be very

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00:43:13,200 –> 00:43:20,000
very familiar with in Psalm 13
how long Yahweh Will you forget

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00:43:20,000 –> 00:43:23,200
me forever?
How long will you hide your face

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00:43:23,200 –> 00:43:27,800
from me how long must I wrestle
with my thoughts and day after

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00:43:27,800 –> 00:43:34,700
day have sorrow in my heart.
And again in Psalm 69 Save Me O

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00:43:34,700 –> 00:43:37,900
God for the waters have come up
to my neck.

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00:43:38,400 –> 00:43:41,900
I sink in the Miry depths where
there is no foothold.

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00:43:42,700 –> 00:43:45,900
I’ve come into the deep Waters
the floods.

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00:43:45,900 –> 00:43:49,900
Engulf me.
I’m worn out calling for help.

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00:43:50,600 –> 00:43:54,200
My throat is parched my eyes
fail.

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Looking my God.
So, is there a depression in the

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00:43:58,500 –> 00:44:00,400
Bible?
Yes.

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00:44:00,500 –> 00:44:04,300
Yes, there is because it’s part
of the human condition and The

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00:44:04,300 –> 00:44:08,800
Human Condition has not changed
in the last three four thousand

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00:44:08,800 –> 00:44:13,400
years.
So where does that leave us that

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00:44:13,400 –> 00:44:17,700
the topic tonight was depression
and discipleship.

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00:44:18,300 –> 00:44:22,700
So in order to be effective
Disciples of Our Lord?

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00:44:23,700 –> 00:44:27,600
Where does that place Us in
relation to this condition and

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00:44:27,600 –> 00:44:31,300
we’re just singled out
depression properly tonight.

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00:44:31,300 –> 00:44:35,100
But I mean obviously there are
other illnesses that can be

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00:44:35,600 –> 00:44:40,200
equally as disastrous equally as
difficult and equally is

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00:44:40,200 –> 00:44:45,500
disruptive to our decide our
Walkers Disciples of Our Lord.

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00:44:46,900 –> 00:44:51,700
So something that can be and
certainly historically has made

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00:44:51,700 –> 00:44:55,300
it very difficult for us to deal
with this problem within the

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00:44:55,300 –> 00:44:59,400
Brotherhood is that there can be
a perception that we should be

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00:44:59,700 –> 00:45:03,900
always Joyful We should be
secure in the grace of God

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00:45:03,900 –> 00:45:06,900
through Jesus Christ.
So therefore we should not be

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00:45:06,900 –> 00:45:10,900
depressed or anxious.
And if we get like that, well

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00:45:10,900 –> 00:45:15,100
then if we pray and read the
Bible then that is all we need

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00:45:15,100 –> 00:45:23,700
to do and everything will be
fine. if one of us tonight

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00:45:24,200 –> 00:45:29,000
suffered a heart attack I’m sure
the rest of us would all call an

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00:45:29,000 –> 00:45:33,700
ambulance.
Okay, and that’s how we need to

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00:45:33,700 –> 00:45:37,400
look at major depression.
It’s no different.

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00:45:38,300 –> 00:45:44,400
All right.
So we need to remember that we

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00:45:44,400 –> 00:45:49,100
are dealing in this subject with
an illness not the normal

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00:45:49,100 –> 00:45:53,900
emotion of sadness that we all
experience the illness of major

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00:45:53,900 –> 00:45:56,900
depression.
And so therefore we need when we

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00:45:56,900 –> 00:46:00,500
read these verses and I will
read a read a few verses off the

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00:46:00,508 –> 00:46:04,800
screen in a moment.
They are wonderfully beautifully

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00:46:05,200 –> 00:46:12,000
uplifting versus for us who are
well So if we are well, these

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00:46:12,000 –> 00:46:15,600
are wonderful verses that should
Lift us out of our normal

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00:46:15,600 –> 00:46:18,800
sadness.
So if we have had a tough day

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00:46:19,200 –> 00:46:23,200
and if we’re just feeling lousy
and flat then these following

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00:46:23,200 –> 00:46:27,000
verses are a wonderful God given
help to us.

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00:46:28,300 –> 00:46:30,800
If we are suffering from major
depression.

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00:46:32,100 –> 00:46:36,600
We have to try and understand
that these verses are actually

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00:46:37,200 –> 00:46:40,600
very difficult.
They actually make you feel

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00:46:40,600 –> 00:46:43,400
guilty.
They make you feel worthless

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00:46:44,300 –> 00:46:47,100
because you don’t feel what
these verses are saying.

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00:46:47,800 –> 00:46:50,600
Okay, so as we read these verses
just remember if you are well

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00:46:50,600 –> 00:46:54,800
these verses are wonderful if
these verses if we are not well

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00:46:55,300 –> 00:46:59,500
these verses are actually the
same verses very hard.

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Blessed is every one that
feareth Yahweh that walketh in

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00:47:06,500 –> 00:47:11,600
his ways that thou shalt eat.
The Labour of thine hands happy

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00:47:11,600 –> 00:47:15,100
shalt thou be and it shall be
well with thee.

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00:47:17,700 –> 00:47:22,200
He that handle of the metal
wisely shall find good and whoso

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00:47:22,200 –> 00:47:31,000
trusteth in Yahweh happy is he?
Many Sorrows shall be to the

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00:47:31,000 –> 00:47:34,700
wicked.
But he that trusteth in your way

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00:47:35,100 –> 00:47:40,600
Mercy shall Compass him about be
glad in Yahweh and rejoice you

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00:47:40,600 –> 00:47:45,100
righteous and Shout for Joy all
ye that are upright in heart.

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00:47:47,200 –> 00:47:51,700
So what if you what if you can’t
shout for Joy does that mean

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00:47:51,700 –> 00:47:56,500
you’re not up right?
If you’re not happy does that

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00:47:56,500 –> 00:48:01,800
mean you’re not faithful?
These are inspired words of our

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00:48:01,800 –> 00:48:06,000
heavenly father.
I’m not questioning them for a

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00:48:06,000 –> 00:48:09,800
moment.
But they’re written for people

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00:48:09,800 –> 00:48:13,300
who are well.
They’re written to lift people

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00:48:13,300 –> 00:48:17,200
up who are able to.
Okay, they are written to

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00:48:17,200 –> 00:48:23,100
describe our total existence as
Sons and Daughters of God and

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00:48:23,100 –> 00:48:34,200
the wonderful hope that we have.
our Lord Jesus Christ cried he

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00:48:34,200 –> 00:48:40,000
knew what it was like to be sad.
He certainly wasn’t happy all

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the time.
So these verses need to be seen

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00:48:43,300 –> 00:48:49,200
in their totality.
We need to remember to that

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00:48:49,200 –> 00:48:53,300
someone who is unable for a
period of their life not for not

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00:48:53,300 –> 00:48:56,300
for their entire life, but for a
period of their life that

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00:48:56,300 –> 00:49:00,700
they’re suffering and illness
are unable to be happy find

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00:49:00,700 –> 00:49:03,900
verses like that really really
hard.

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00:49:07,100 –> 00:49:11,700
The symptoms of mental illness
can then seriously affect how we

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00:49:11,700 –> 00:49:16,000
can outwardly express our faith.
So if we are suffering an

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00:49:16,000 –> 00:49:20,600
illness, we don’t have any
motivation then it’s very hard

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00:49:20,600 –> 00:49:23,100
to be able to attend a collegial
activities.

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It’s very hard to even read the
Bible.

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If a concentration is shot then
again, it makes reading the

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00:49:31,300 –> 00:49:36,300
Bible very difficult make
spraying difficult and it

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00:49:36,300 –> 00:49:39,600
certainly makes sitting in a
meeting listening to a talk

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almost impossible to do with any
sort of normality.

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00:49:45,900 –> 00:49:48,300
And if we’re feeling incredibly
guilty.

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If we read those verses that
we’ve just read together and

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feel guilty and we feel
worthless.

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00:49:56,800 –> 00:50:02,100
Then it can seriously reacts as
far as how we deal with sin and

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00:50:02,100 –> 00:50:06,400
forgiveness how if you feel that
you’re worthless?

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00:50:07,200 –> 00:50:09,600
How could God possibly want to
forgive me?

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00:50:11,000 –> 00:50:14,400
So this is a this is a dreadful
illness because it’s an illness

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that makes us call into question
our primary position before God

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00:50:22,200 –> 00:50:26,100
and our ability to respond to
his message of Grace.

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00:50:27,700 –> 00:50:32,200
So it’s something that I think
we underestimate enormously

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00:50:32,200 –> 00:50:35,300
unless we’ve been there
ourselves and someone with

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00:50:35,300 –> 00:50:39,000
depression doesn’t have a great
big sort of Mark on their face,

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00:50:39,600 –> 00:50:41,900
you know, they’re not limping
necessarily.

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00:50:42,300 –> 00:50:46,800
There’s nothing outward to be
able to you know to have

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00:50:46,800 –> 00:50:50,600
sympathy for people with
depression are battling this on

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00:50:50,600 –> 00:50:56,000
the inside.
So it’s really important that we

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00:50:56,000 –> 00:51:01,000
understand this as best as we
can the instead of telling

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00:51:01,000 –> 00:51:03,300
somebody how bad they are
because they hadn’t been to the

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00:51:03,300 –> 00:51:06,900
meeting for a while.
We actually can deceive that

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00:51:06,900 –> 00:51:09,600
where appropriate not everybody
that doesn’t attend the meetings

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00:51:09,600 –> 00:51:12,400
obviously has depression.
But if someone has depression

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00:51:13,100 –> 00:51:18,000
then what they need is support
and encouragement gently rather

684
00:51:18,000 –> 00:51:21,600
than blaming them for at the
outward appearance which judging

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00:51:21,600 –> 00:51:23,400
outwardly rather than the Inner
Man.

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00:51:25,700 –> 00:51:29,800
Okay, so and again just simply
we don’t blame somebody with

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00:51:29,800 –> 00:51:34,200
glandular fever for being tired.
So therefore we shouldn’t either

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00:51:34,200 –> 00:51:37,800
blame a brother and sister with
depression for having poor

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00:51:37,800 –> 00:51:45,400
motivation or concentration.
We do though as brothers and

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00:51:45,400 –> 00:51:50,800
sisters of our Lord Jesus Christ
have a wonderful wonderful

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00:51:51,100 –> 00:51:56,100
benefit.
Well beyond somebody who has not

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00:51:56,100 –> 00:51:59,700
got the surety of faith that we
have.

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00:52:00,600 –> 00:52:07,000
We do have a high priest.
We have somebody who can provide

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00:52:07,000 –> 00:52:12,300
intercession for us, even when
we’re at our weakest and lowest

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00:52:12,300 –> 00:52:17,200
ebb.
Our Lord Jesus Christ is a

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00:52:17,200 –> 00:52:21,700
wonderful anchor for our souls
literally.

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00:52:23,500 –> 00:52:29,700
Isaiah 53 is despised and
rejected of men a Man of Sorrows

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00:52:29,700 –> 00:52:34,300
and acquainted with grief and we
hid as it were our faces from

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00:52:34,300 –> 00:52:37,100
him.
He was despised and we esteemed

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00:52:37,100 –> 00:52:41,500
him not surely he hath borne our
griefs and carried our sorrows

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00:52:42,000 –> 00:52:43,900
yet.
We did esteem him stricken

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00:52:43,900 –> 00:52:50,700
smitten of God and afflicted.
We have a high priest who who

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00:52:50,700 –> 00:52:53,900
can be touched with the feeling
of our infirmities.

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00:52:54,200 –> 00:52:58,300
He was tempted in all points.
Like as we are yet without sin

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00:52:59,200 –> 00:53:04,100
so we can come boldly unto the
throne of grace to obtain mercy

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00:53:04,500 –> 00:53:07,700
and find Grace to help in time
of need.

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00:53:10,200 –> 00:53:14,100
The Lord said come to me all you
who labor and are heavy laden

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00:53:14,400 –> 00:53:18,900
and I will give you rest take my
yoke upon you and learn from me

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00:53:19,500 –> 00:53:24,300
for I am gentle and lowly in
heart and you will find rest for

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00:53:24,300 –> 00:53:29,900
your souls for my yoke is easy
and my burden is light.

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00:53:32,400 –> 00:53:36,400
Hear My Cry Oh God attend to my
prayer from the ends of the

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00:53:36,400 –> 00:53:39,100
Earth.
I will cry to you when my heart

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00:53:39,100 –> 00:53:44,100
is overwhelmed lead me to the
rock that is higher than I if

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00:53:44,100 –> 00:53:48,000
you have been a shelter for me a
strong tower from the enemy.

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00:53:48,700 –> 00:53:50,800
I will abide in your Tabernacle
forever.

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00:53:51,400 –> 00:53:54,800
I will trust in the shelter of
your wings.

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00:53:55,700 –> 00:53:59,200
Beautiful beautiful words
brothers and sisters and and

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00:53:59,200 –> 00:54:03,700
something that we have that so
many in this world do not and

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00:54:03,700 –> 00:54:08,900
know nothing about and it’s a
Priceless gift that we’ve been

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00:54:08,900 –> 00:54:15,100
given.
And again finally be anxious for

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00:54:15,100 –> 00:54:18,400
nothing but in everything by
prayer and supplication with

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00:54:18,400 –> 00:54:22,200
Thanksgiving let your requests
be made known to God and the

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00:54:22,200 –> 00:54:26,200
peace of God which surpasses all
understanding will guard your

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00:54:26,200 –> 00:54:29,800
hearts and Minds through Christ
Jesus.

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00:54:31,200 –> 00:54:37,000
So with that Armory of support
what can be done then for

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00:54:37,000 –> 00:54:41,300
someone or by someone with
depression firstly it’s

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00:54:41,300 –> 00:54:46,200
important to accept that there’s
a problem to accept help someone

728
00:54:46,200 –> 00:54:50,800
with depression experiences the
same stigma against themselves

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00:54:51,000 –> 00:54:54,200
that the wider Community can
express against mental illness.

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00:54:54,200 –> 00:54:58,700
So you have to be
extraordinarily Brave to be able

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00:54:58,700 –> 00:55:00,900
to admit that you’re suffering
from a mental illness.

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00:55:01,800 –> 00:55:05,800
Because of this inbuilt stigma
for whatever reason against

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00:55:05,800 –> 00:55:08,300
mental illness as distinct from
other illnesses.

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00:55:09,800 –> 00:55:12,100
Trying to reduce stress and
anxiety.

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00:55:12,400 –> 00:55:16,500
It’s important through simple
techniques trying to get enough

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00:55:16,500 –> 00:55:18,800
sleep.
That’s how the brain heals

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00:55:18,800 –> 00:55:22,300
itself it maintains itself in
sleep.

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00:55:22,800 –> 00:55:27,600
And so getting enough sleep is
vitally important keeping active

739
00:55:27,600 –> 00:55:31,600
exercise is a hugely beneficial
thing for stress and depression.

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00:55:32,200 –> 00:55:37,000
It’s it makes a big difference
in someone’s feelings of

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00:55:37,000 –> 00:55:41,500
well-being.
Alcohol is a depressant pure and

742
00:55:41,500 –> 00:55:43,400
simple.
It depresses the brain.

743
00:55:43,400 –> 00:55:44,900
That’s why you eventually fall
asleep.

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00:55:44,900 –> 00:55:50,300
If you keep drinking it’s a
depressant and so if someone is

745
00:55:50,300 –> 00:55:57,400
experiencing depression alcohol
is not a good combination. how

746
00:55:57,400 –> 00:56:01,400
to help somebody that has
depression very very importantly

747
00:56:01,400 –> 00:56:06,600
obviously is to pray for help
and for guidance that’s always

748
00:56:06,700 –> 00:56:12,900
absolutely vital for the
disciple again to be aware to

749
00:56:12,900 –> 00:56:17,100
accept which can be very
difficult much easier to try and

750
00:56:17,100 –> 00:56:21,800
play things down deny that it’s
happening in a loved one or

751
00:56:21,800 –> 00:56:26,000
potentially even to feel guilt
that it’s occurring or anger

752
00:56:26,100 –> 00:56:29,800
anything that And in fact, I saw
it today in my Consulting room

753
00:56:29,800 –> 00:56:34,600
her father react in Anger at the
realization that his son was

754
00:56:34,600 –> 00:56:38,900
severely compromised by anxiety
and depression anything that

755
00:56:38,900 –> 00:56:44,300
frightens us unfortunately can
result in a knee-jerk response

756
00:56:44,300 –> 00:56:47,000
of anger.
Just need to be so careful

757
00:56:47,000 –> 00:56:53,400
against that just let them talk.
Listen, you don’t have to fix

758
00:56:53,400 –> 00:56:55,800
their problem.
None of us think that we have to

759
00:56:55,800 –> 00:57:00,000
fix somebody’s diabetes.
We don’t have to fix depression

760
00:57:00,000 –> 00:57:04,100
either but just listening is
just so important.

761
00:57:06,700 –> 00:57:09,500
Avoid dwelling on the negatives
as best as possible.

762
00:57:10,600 –> 00:57:13,700
Try to gently encourage a more
positive way of looking at

763
00:57:13,700 –> 00:57:18,400
things.
Spending time spending time.

764
00:57:18,400 –> 00:57:23,700
So even even Eeyore and she
enjoys somebody spending time

765
00:57:24,000 –> 00:57:28,100
with them and that physical
contact is really important.

766
00:57:30,400 –> 00:57:32,800
Recognize that it’s going to be
very hard for somebody with

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00:57:32,800 –> 00:57:37,100
depression to make decisions.
So leave those as best as

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00:57:37,100 –> 00:57:41,600
possible for when they’re
feeling better encourage gradual

769
00:57:41,600 –> 00:57:44,600
increase in activity.
Someone severely depressed finds

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00:57:44,600 –> 00:57:46,800
it hard to get out of bed in the
morning.

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00:57:47,500 –> 00:57:51,400
Let alone go out for a walk.
Let alone come into an occlusal

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00:57:51,400 –> 00:57:54,500
environment.
It’s very very difficult, but

773
00:57:54,500 –> 00:57:57,400
gentle encouragement is it’s
very important.

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00:57:58,900 –> 00:58:01,500
If you’re very close to the
person with depression, if

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00:58:01,500 –> 00:58:04,700
you’re living with them, it can
be incredibly draining and

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00:58:04,700 –> 00:58:08,800
tiring and stressful.
So it’s also important to give

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00:58:08,800 –> 00:58:13,200
yourself permission to have time
for yourself to look after

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00:58:13,200 –> 00:58:17,000
yourself.
And as we’ve made it mentioned a

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00:58:17,000 –> 00:58:20,100
couple of times already.
It’s incredibly appropriate that

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00:58:20,100 –> 00:58:24,500
a person with a mental illness
gets medical help just like any

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00:58:24,500 –> 00:58:29,000
other illness and that’s that’s
really important.

782
00:58:30,100 –> 00:58:33,500
Some excellent online resources,
which I thoroughly recommend

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00:58:34,000 –> 00:58:39,200
both Beyond Blue Dot org dot a
you and black dog institute.org

784
00:58:39,300 –> 00:58:45,200
dot a you very very good form
sources of information and and

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00:58:45,200 –> 00:58:51,600
assistance.
And again first and last pray

786
00:58:51,600 –> 00:58:56,900
for help and guidance.
Heavenly father is an enormous

787
00:58:56,900 –> 00:59:02,200
source of strength to us, which
we must not let us not forget

788
00:59:02,200 –> 00:59:07,600
ever.
So finally if you turn with me

789
00:59:07,600 –> 00:59:12,600
to the reading that we had
earlier this evening so Isaiah

790
00:59:12,600 –> 00:59:22,200
35.
Brother Dez before the meeting

791
00:59:22,200 –> 00:59:26,600
started intimated that when he
used to listen to Medical talks

792
00:59:26,600 –> 00:59:29,100
it often Come Away thinking he
was suffering from whatever the

793
00:59:29,100 –> 00:59:31,900
talk was about.
I’d certainly like to hope that

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00:59:31,900 –> 00:59:36,700
tonight you’re not going to
leave here depressed and a

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00:59:36,700 –> 00:59:41,700
chapter like Isaiah 35 I think
is a is a really lovely way for

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00:59:41,700 –> 00:59:46,600
us to finish.
It’s very hard for us to put

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00:59:46,600 –> 00:59:48,400
ourselves in other people’s
shoes.

798
00:59:49,900 –> 00:59:54,400
That applies as much to passages
of scripture.

799
00:59:54,400 –> 00:59:57,700
I think as it does to our
interactions with one another

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00:59:59,000 –> 01:00:03,900
the prophet Isaiah with the
prophet Micah was prophesying at

801
01:00:03,900 –> 01:00:09,100
a time in judah’s history where
the Assyrians had completely

802
01:00:09,100 –> 01:00:13,400
overrun and taken their
neighboring Northern neighbors

803
01:00:13,400 –> 01:00:17,800
the the Kingdom of Israel.
The Syrian Army at the time that

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01:00:17,800 –> 01:00:22,000
he would have written chapter 35
on the basis that it follows

805
01:00:22,000 –> 01:00:26,200
directly in front of chapter 36
was written at a time.

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01:00:26,200 –> 01:00:29,800
When the Assyrian army had come
down into the central and

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01:00:29,800 –> 01:00:34,900
southern portion of Judah had
taken all of the Fortified

808
01:00:34,900 –> 01:00:40,500
cities of Judah including lakish
the main fortified City apart

809
01:00:40,500 –> 01:00:44,500
from Jerusalem.
There’s a there’s actually The

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01:00:44,500 –> 01:00:48,200
Siege works are still visible in
lakish.

811
01:00:48,200 –> 01:00:52,100
There are freezes in the British
Museum of the syrians taking

812
01:00:52,100 –> 01:00:55,500
away the citizens of lakish into
captivity.

813
01:00:56,000 –> 01:01:00,600
So Jerusalem was completely
isolated and surrounded by the

814
01:01:00,600 –> 01:01:05,100
Sea by this fairly barbaric
power of the Assyrians.

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01:01:06,400 –> 01:01:12,500
And so if anyone had reason to
feel sad and to question them,

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01:01:13,700 –> 01:01:17,900
It was certainly Isaiah and his
contemporaries in Jerusalem at

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01:01:17,900 –> 01:01:22,200
the time that this chapter was
written but through the

818
01:01:22,200 –> 01:01:26,800
Providence of God through the
through prophecies given to him

819
01:01:26,800 –> 01:01:31,800
through the the spirit of God as
I was able to write these words

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01:01:32,800 –> 01:01:37,600
in verse 3 strengthen you either
weak hands and confirm the

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01:01:37,600 –> 01:01:41,700
feeble knees say to them that
are of a fearful heart be

822
01:01:41,700 –> 01:01:45,800
strong.
Fear not behold your God will

823
01:01:45,800 –> 01:01:49,100
come with vengeance even god
with a recompense.

824
01:01:49,700 –> 01:01:57,500
He will come and save you. this
five Then the eyes of the blind

825
01:01:57,700 –> 01:02:03,100
shall be opened and the ears of
the deaf shall be unstopped.

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01:02:04,000 –> 01:02:09,800
So they blind people will see
deaf people will be able to hear

827
01:02:10,700 –> 01:02:15,700
the six someone who’s completely
unable to walk will be able to

828
01:02:15,700 –> 01:02:22,300
LEAP like a heart someone unable
to say a word will be able to

829
01:02:22,300 –> 01:02:28,400
sing.
Down in verse 10 those who have

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01:02:28,400 –> 01:02:35,000
sorrow and sighing will obtain
joy and gladness.

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01:02:36,500 –> 01:02:40,600
At that time in verse 10 when
the ransomed of Yahweh shall

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01:02:40,600 –> 01:02:46,100
return and come to Zion with
songs and everlasting Joy upon

833
01:02:46,100 –> 01:02:49,500
their heads.
May that time brothers and

834
01:02:49,500 –> 01:02:53,800
sisters of joy and gladness when
sorrow and sighing will have

835
01:02:53,800 –> 01:03:01,400
completely flown away be very
soon at hand even so come Lord

836
01:03:01,400 –> 01:03:10,400
Jesus.
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