225: James Robinson – Exhortation: The Birth(s) of Jesus

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Welcome to Goodra selfie and
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I’m Levi.
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You’re about to listen to and
now let’s talk more about this

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week’s talk.
Hello and welcome back for this

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week.
We’re listening to an excitation

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that was given by brother James
Robinson.

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This past Christmas at the
Verdugo Hills Looking at the

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birth of Jesus.
Unlike this being the kind of

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prototypical, excitation for
Christmas talking about the

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birth of Jesus, though, James
does touch on sort of the

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discussion about when Jesus
actually was born.

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I found this to be a really
interesting.

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Excitation one James always
brings a ton of energy and

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excitement, which you can hear
from the moment that he

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introduces his excitation, but
he also has a really interesting

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way of looking at this subject.
And kind of taking it at a

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different direction that I won’t
mention more because I don’t

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want to spoil it but I found it
to be a really interesting way

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of looking at the birth of Jesus
and what that means both for the

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beginning of his life and then
later on as there is different

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stages and what that means to
us, this talk was a suggestion

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that was given to me, literally.
As soon as brother James

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finished exhorting and meeting
was over I’d somebody walk up

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and said this one definitely
feels like One that should go in

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the podcast.
So thank you for the suggestion.

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And as always, thank you to
everyone who sends in their

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suggestions, we greatly
appreciate that.

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So with that, I will turn this
over to brother, James Robinson

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for his extrication, entitled,
The births of Jesus, good

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morning, brothers and sisters.
I bring with me the love and

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greetings of your brothers and
sisters at the San Francisco,

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Peninsula, khaleja, some of
whom, I’m sure you know, very

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well, some of whom you may not
have seen much Lately due to a

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certain pandemic that has been
happening, but I’d like to let

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you all know that not only are
we available on Zoom every

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Sunday, but starting in the New
Year, we’re also going to be in

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person every Sunday at our Hall.
So if you happen to be in the

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San Francisco Bay area on
Sunday, please visit us, we’d

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love to see you.
Anyway, as I’m sure you’re all

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very aware today happens to be
the 25th of December.

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So, Merry Christmas everyone and
coincidentally, I thought

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today’s excitation might be a
good time to talk about the

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birth of Jesus.
And that’s why I asked our

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presiding brother to make sure
that Luke chapter one was read

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this morning, my apologies to
all of you.

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Who really wanted to hear
Revelation perhaps talk to my

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dad.
He knows a lot about Revelation

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to be happy to talk about it for
hours but we’re going to be

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Talking a little bit more about
Luke 1 and Jesus birth.

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Now, some of you may be
wondering, why would I want to

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talk about?
Jesus birth on December 25th?

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The Bible doesn’t say Jesus was
born on December 25th.

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In fact, it doesn’t say, wasn’t
born on December 25th.

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Either, it never says, when he
was born, which is kind of

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strange because there’s only
really one day in Jesus life

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that we know quite well.
And that day is not the day when

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Jesus died but the day it’s
sorry, not the day when Jesus

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was born.
But the day That he died, which

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happens to be the 14th of Nisan,
which is really helpful.

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If you know, when the 14th of
Nisan is now, the problem is, is

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we don’t have a Nissan in our
calendar because our calendar is

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not based on the moon.
It’s based on the Sun, but the

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Jews who were keeping track of
time at the time that Jesus died

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and used a lunar calendar, and
Nissan is a lunar month.

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And so figuring out when exactly
the 14th of Nisan is which

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happens to be the date first day
of Passover, which also happens

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to be the day of Good Friday.
And Easter is something that we

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find in our solar calendar
varies from year to year.

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So as I’m sure you all know
Easter.

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Sometimes happens in march,
sometimes happens in April, you

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can’t really track it down, but
it’s sometimes in the spring,

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that’s all because they’re
trying to correspond the lunar

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calendar to a solar calendar,
but if you’re clever, Or you can

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go.
Well, there was only one 14th of

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Nisan, that Jesus actually died
on.

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So if we can figure out what the
14th of Nisan was on the Day on

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the year, when Jesus died, then
we can figure out where in our

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solar calendar, corresponds to
the lunar calendar, and figure

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out Jesus death date, at least.
And if you’re very clever, and

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I’m not so clever.
But I have read that some things

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by other people who put a lot
more work into this.

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Apparently, they all sort of
conclude that the best evidence

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points to To it having been on
April 3rd, 8033.

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But it turns out back in the
300s, they didn’t actually think

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you would died on April, 3rd
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They’re absolutely convinced he
died on March 25th because March

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25th was apparently the date of
the creation of the world.

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It was the date, Abraham,
offered, Isaac, and a variety of

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other things, it’s right, close
to the vernal equinox.

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That’s when the days stop and
nights are the equal length.

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Anyway, so they really liked
March 25th back in the 300s and

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since Jesus died On March 25th.
And everyone also knew back in

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the 300s that you were conceived
on the same day that you died.

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Then Jesus must have been
conceived on March 25th.

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And since they also knew back in
the 300s that you were always

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born exactly nine months after
you were conceived.

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That means if we count nine
months from March 25th, we end

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up with December 25th, and that
in case you’re wondering is as

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far as I can get the actual Why
Jesus’s birthday is celebrated

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on December 25th?
Because back in the 300s, they

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made a bunch of sort of leaps,
of logic and got ended up with

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December 25th.
So isn’t the only interesting

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leap of logic.
There are making back in the

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300s.
That’s also when the doctrine of

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the Trinity came up, but just in
case, you’re wondering, that is

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why December 25th is an
important date in her calendar

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now, but regardless of whether
Jesus died on March 25th or

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April 3rd or some other date and
we’re Carlos of whether he was

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conceived on the same day that
he died for some reason, we do

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know that nine months before
Jesus was born, something

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miraculous did happen, and
that’s what we read about in

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Luke chapter 1.
We don’t maybe know exactly when

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it happened.
But we do know that something

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miraculous happened and it’s
something that actually confused

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me for a long time because on
Usually January for well and do

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we read Luke chapter 1, whenever
we read Luke chapter 1 in our

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daily readings planner, I would
be reading along and then we get

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to this part where Jesus where
Mary asked a very important

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question.
The angel comes along and he

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tells her that verse 31 here.
Behold, you will conceive in

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your womb and bear a son and you
shall call his name, Jesus, and

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then Mary goes, um, wait a
second verse 34.

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How will this be?
Since I am a virgin seems like a

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fairly reasonable.
No question to ask and by the

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way, if anyone ever tells you
don’t question God Mary here is

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questioning what God is doing
and it works out well for her.

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It’s okay to ask questions once
say that there’s no such thing

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as a stupid question.
But this was a good question.

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She was asking, how is this
going to work?

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And then the angel responds and
gives an answer verse 35 and the

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angel answered her.
The holy spirit will come upon

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you and the power of the most
high will overshadow you.

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Therefore, the child to be born
will be called Called.

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Holy the son of God.
And I will admit, when I was a

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kid, I read this and I was
really disappointed.

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I wanted details and all I get
is this stuff about the Holy

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Spirit.
Overshadowing her, what does

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that even mean?
How is that produce a child

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seemed like?
This was part of the whole

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conspiracy.
Not to give enough details about

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how babies were made, which I
had already noticed at that time

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period.
Anyway, the other thing that’s

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sort of bothered me here, was
that It says he’s going to

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behold the Son of God but it’s
the holy spirit that overshadows

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her, shouldn’t that mean that
he’s called like the son of the

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Holy Spirit, what’s going on
here?

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What’s this connection between
the Holy Spirit and God, how

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does this work?
Why do we get what seems to be a

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rather vague explanation of
what’s going on?

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Those were the sort of thoughts
I’ve been thinking about for a

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number of years, and
fortunately, I have found when

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you sort of have something stuck
in the back of your head and

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you’re thinking about it,
thinking about it, thinking

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about, Bout it.
Sometimes you come up with

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better answers over time and
that’s one of the things I’d

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like to share with you this
morning because I do think that

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the angel gives a good answer
when you understand the language

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that he’s using the things he’s
talking about and the key to

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understanding this I think is
understanding what the holy

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spirit is.
Which I’ll be honest, is

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something that has been
confusing Christians for

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thousands of years.
So let’s talk about the Holy

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Spirit.
In some ways, it should be

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obvious from the name.
It’s Holy Spirit and you

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probably already know what holy
means.

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It means separate different.
The Holy Bible is a separate

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book.
When God calls us to be holy, he

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calls us to be different from
everyone else, special peculiar

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maybe, so that’s wholly.
If it’s wholly, it stands out

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from the crowd.
So clearly a holy spirit is a

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spirit.
That’s different from all the

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other Spirits as a spirit that
stands out from the crowd, but

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then we get to the harder part.
What is this spirit?

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And that one might be something
that you didn’t get such a great

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answer on in Sunday school.
I know, I didn’t.

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So sometimes you can turn to
other things like a dictionary.

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So if you look up in Merriam
Webster’s Dictionary, what a

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spirited, you’ll find one of the
definitions is that it is a

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usually volatile organic
solvents such as an alcohol.

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S Stir or hydrocarbon which may
or may not be helpful but I

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actually do find it as helpful
because if you think of a spirit

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as an alcoholic beverage, which
you may have heard of before,

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the reason we call things like
whiskey or vodka or things like

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that Spirits.
Is because when people drink

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these things, it’s like some
different thing has entered into

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them.
I’m not sure if you’ve had the

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sort of unfortunate privilege of
seeing someone who is very drunk

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but they behave differently.
It’s like something has caused

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them to even though they might
look about the same, their face

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might get a little bit red, but
the things that come out of

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their mouth or not quite the
same sort of things, the way

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their body behaves might be a
little awkward and you can often

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smell something very strong
coming off their breath.

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And this is why we call certain
drinks Spirits, because when you

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drink them it’s like you have
taken this other sort of thing

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into you that started
controlling you and made you act

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differently.
And that is the essence of what

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a spirit is.
A spirit is something that

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changes the way you behave.
It’s not something you can

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necessarily see take but it’s in
your body and it changes.

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The what you do, there are a
number of places in the Bible

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that talk about Unclean,
spirits.

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And when we read about these
unclean spirits that are in

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people, they cause symptoms,
like, say causing people to lose

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control over their bodily
functions and fall over randomly

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something that we might call
now, say epilepsy, or these

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unclean spirits would cause
people to vary between times of

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extreme activity and extreme
lethargy.

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Something we might Now call
bipolar disorder or sometimes

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these unclean spirits would be
in someone and it would be like

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there were multiple beings
inside them and they would talk

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to them.
The person would talk with one

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voice or another, something that
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personality disorder.
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to describe these things where
someone seemed to have the same

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body.
But something weird was going on

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about the way that body was
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That there is some sort of
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that had come along and
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after they had managed to hit
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And so you You have this concept
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difficult to understand.
Because what you’re actually

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seeing here is difficult to
understand and I just wish back

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then that they’d had the concept
of computers.

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Because as a computer engineer,
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much better analogy for how a
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As you see with the computer,
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like your actual box or maybe
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computer chip on it and then you
have the software that runs on

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it.
And computer software is not

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something that’s terribly
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But you put it into that
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starts doing something.
And with computer software, as

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I’m sure you’ve all noticed you
might have multiple pieces of

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software running at the same
time and you’re kind of annoyed

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that this one is popping up.
All your trying to use the other

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one and you have this one
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That’s working to try and
control these pieces software

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and make sure this one stays in
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And this one works at the same
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And this one’s only allows us to
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time and is controlling all
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Yes.
And I think this is actually a

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decent explanation for the sort
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Spirit is sort of like software,
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And so you have one sort of
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telling you to do this.
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you to do that in the person’s
operating system, the being that

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they are sort of controlling it
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stays in place and we know that
with a computer it’s important

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in To all the right software on
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go and install Chrome, you try
to make Edge, stop popping up,

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you get rid of that, antivirus,
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That actually is not free and
trying to make you get this

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expensive subscription.
You have to make sure you have

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the right software on your
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this meant, you know, pulling
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now, you just downloaded off the
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idea.
We want to make sure we have the

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right software running on our
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So, Runs properly.
And that’s actually a fairly

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good analogy for what happens
when parents are raising their

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children.
They’re trying to put the right

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spirit wear into their kids, so
that that kid kicks in the right

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way in Acts in the right way and
it might be rather difficult to

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install the please and thank-you
functionality, take quite a bit

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of effort, some of these things
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You might have some preloads on
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you quite want and kind of have
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Can but the same thing sort of
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We’ve got these multiple sort of
things pushing us in one

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direction or another and we’re
trying to keep them under

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control and it would be a lot
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If like in sort of the Matrix
movies, you just plug something

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in and download all the good
functionality and all of a

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sudden, your kid is a prodigy
and can speak many languages and

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do karate moves, but it doesn’t
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Instead installing spirit wear
on human beings tends to take a

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lot.
A lot of practice effort and

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words.
And as I’m sure you all know

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words are powerful.
Things Words Can Build You Up.

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Words can break you down.
Start a fire in your heart or

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put it out.
And all those things could be

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described in the same way.
They use spirits.

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Of course, words can build up
your spirit or break your spirit

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or revive your spirit, or take
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When you hear words, it changes
the way you think and act.

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And so the way we tend to
install things on our Owen,

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Hardware.
Here, is we listen to words and

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you might have somebody teach
you things through words and you

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can hear them and that changes
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And that’s why as we as
christadelphians make, such a

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big deal about reading the
Bible, God’s word coming here on

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Sunday, so we can listen to
God’s word because we want to

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install into ourselves.
Software spirit wear something

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that helps us to do Godly things
rather than just what’s already

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pre-installed on our Hardware to
kind of just be selfish and do

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our own thing or perhaps listen
to some of the prideful apps

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that the world wants you to
install all the time.

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And so thank you for coming and
listening to God’s word this

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morning.
We’re making sure that we all

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are software running properly.
Now, again, I’m a computer

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engineer, sorry for this getting
quite geeky, but I’d wanted to

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Just mention that it’s also kind
of cool that computers all run

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on Words as well and not just
been programming languages which

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are all written in words.
But if you’ve ever heard like

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8-bit computer or 64-bit
computer, that’s because that,

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that bit thing is called the
word size.

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And every time a computer reads,
something, it reads A word after

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word, after word 64-bit
computers read longer words at a

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time, but everything runs on
Words and I think this is

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important not just for the geeky
computer analogy, but also, As

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the Holy Spirit tends to come
through words.

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This way that the Holy Spirit
seems to work is it comes into

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people and it changes say the
way they act the way they think,

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the what they can do and if we
have a holy spirit then it

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activates the body to do things.
It wouldn’t normally, or

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couldn’t normally.
Do we some of the most obvious

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examples of this are the Holy
Spirit.

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Would come on someone and then
they could predict the future.

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You Not normally do that.
And so clearly, this is a

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different spirit that has come
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Someone and is causing the words
that come out of their mouth to

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be something that wouldn’t
normally come from.

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Just what you might hear from
your parents or what you might

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determine on your own.
This is a holy spirit.

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This is a special piece of
software that is unlocking

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capabilities.
You wouldn’t normally expect

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from the hardware.
And in Mary’s case, what we have

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here is the holy spirit comes on
her and she’s able to have a

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child.
Even though she Hasn’t gotten

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married yet.
Normally, you need a husband,

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but the Holy Spirit has come
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This has activated Mary in such
a way that.

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Well, the child to be born will
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And that actually does make
sense.

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That’s the way God’s spirit
works.

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It comes into people, and it
changes the way they acted

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changes what is possible with
their bodies.

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But it’s probably worth noting
that while Jesus Christ was born

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by the power of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit actually came on

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Mary, it didn’t come on.
Jesus at this time, we know that

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Jesus did not have the Holy
Spirit from the womb because we

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know when Jesus got the Holy
Spirit and it wasn’t until 30

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years later and Luke chapter 3
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We find out when Jesus gets the
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Luke 3 verse 21 just a few
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Luke 3 verse 21.
Now, all the people were

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baptized and when Jesus also had
been baptized and was praying,

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the heavens were opened and the
Holy Spirit.

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Descended on him in bodily form.
Like a dove and a voice Came

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From Heaven.
You are my beloved Son with you.

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I am.
Well pleased.

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And I think that’s an
interesting concept to note

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about the birth of Jesus.
Jesus was born through the power

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of the Holy Spirit, but that was
the power working on his mother

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Mary.
And what made Jesus, who he was,

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was not having necessarily the
whole Spirit inside him.

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At that point, that didn’t come
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It was the Holy Spirit, working
on him, through the people

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around him through his mother
and I’m sure through his father

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and I’m sure through the people
around him helping to mold Jesus

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into who he was.
We know, Jesus was not quite

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normal.
Before this point, we have a fun

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little incident where he at 12
years old is in the temple.

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Listening to the rabbi’s asking
them questions and sort of

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managing to survive on his own
for three.

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Days while his parents run off,
thinking that everything was

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fine and then hurry on back,
because how can a 12 year old be

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okay in Jerusalem and somehow,
Jesus is not even worried,

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didn’t, you know, I’d be in my
father’s house.

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So he wasn’t quite what we would
expect from a normal boy at that

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point, but it wasn’t the holy
spirit inside him, that was

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doing that.
That would come later, clearly.

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It was the Holy Spirit that had
worked on him working through

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other people.
And I think this is important to

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realize about the Holy Spirit,
the holy spirit is not Earlier

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mind control thing that comes
into people and makes them just

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do what the Holy Spirit wants.
It’s a spirit among other

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spirits and the operating system
of person has to figure out

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where to allocate and how to
control it, we get a very sort

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of clear.
Example, this in First

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Corinthians 14, where Paul is
talking about how you had to

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have different people in their
Ecclesia prophesy and he’s like,

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no, no don’t all talk at the
same time.

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It says in First Corinthians 14,
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If a revelation is made to
another sitting there, let the

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first be silent for you can all
prophesy one by one.

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So that all may learn and be
encouraged and the spirits of

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the prophets are subject to
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For God is not a god of
confusion, but of peace.

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And so he’s saying, yes, you the
Holy Spirit might be coming on

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you.
And you might be prophesying but

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you know, you you are in control
of your own body, you can wait

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and let them finish before you
start talking, do you think is

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important to realize?
Holy spirit is Is clearly

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something like a piece of
software that is running, but

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you can still control alt delete
an end processor.

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Make it wait a little bit for
the next one to come on.

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It was still under the control
of the person who is in the

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body.
What made Jesus Jesus up to the

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point up to the point.
When he gained the Holy Spirit,

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was the action of the Holy
Spirit on those around him and

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not within him and it wasn’t
until he was born a second time,

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because of course, that’s what
baptism is.

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It’s also a birth that he
received the Holy Spirit

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himself.
And, unfortunately, we don’t

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know the date.
When Jesus was born that time,

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either learning the Jesus was
not just born once, this was a

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second birth, and we don’t know
the date for that either.

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It probably wasn’t December 25th
though, unless they were having

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weather like we’re having on
December 25th, but we’ve already

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talked about two times when
Jesus was born, there’s actually

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a third time when Jesus was born
as well, and we do have the date

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for that one.
At least because we know when

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Jesus died.
Remember the 14th of Nisan.

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So if we know when Jesus died,
then we know three days later he

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rose from the dead.
And that’s an example of a birth

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as well.
A birth not from his mother or a

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birth from the water baptism,
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And so that must have happened
on the 17th of Nissan, which

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according to our best experts
would be April.

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So April 6th, a t-33 And so that
actually is in some ways the

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most important of Jesus births
because that was the one where

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he was glorified.
That was the one where all of

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the expectation of what Jesus
was going to do was finally

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fulfilled.
And so this morning when I said

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I wanted to talk about Jesus’s
birth, I actually meant I wanted

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to talk about Jesus’s births
because he had three of them and

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I think it’s important not just
because it’s kind of cool that

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Jesus was born and it is cool.
That woman was able to have a

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baby Be without up man.
Involved that the Holy Spirit

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would descend on him like a dove
when he was baptized that he

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rose from the dead but God
doesn’t just do things because

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they’re cool.
He does lots of cool things but

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not just because they’re cool as
he demonstrated quite

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dramatically to Elijah on Mount
Sinai.

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God’s not, just about doing
impressive acts of power, he’s

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about changing human beings.
Revealing himself through words

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words that download his Spirit
into human beings and not just

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Not one human being but many
human beings because Jesus is

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the son of God, but he’s not the
only son of God.

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He’s the only son of God who was
born of a virgin, but he’s, the

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firstborn among many brothers
and sisters.

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As Paul says, in Romans 8 verse
29, Those whom he foreknew.

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He also predestined to be
conformed, to the image of his

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son, that his son would be, the
firstborn among many brothers

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and sisters.
God, always intended from the

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very beginning that Jesus.
Earth would not be a

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singularity.
It would be a template, it would

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be something that other people
could follow.

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Jesus was born by the power of
the Holy Spirit, working on his

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mother, causing her body to
produce something.

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Miraculous something from God
that something that couldn’t

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exist, otherwise.
But that’s a template for us as

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well.
We too have been born again by

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the action of the Holy Spirit of
on other people, we have been

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born again because we have heard
the word of God, produced by the

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Holy Spirit from people around
us, some of them many years ago,

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some of them that we know quite
personally and that has come

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into us and has changed us as
made us start acting in a way.

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That is not just the way we are
naturally programmed to do.

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Do but instead in a way that is
Godly that is different.

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That is Holy the word of God has
come and that has changed us to

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become sons of God.
The same way the Holy Spirit

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came and made Jesus.
A Son of God.

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And the interesting thing about
that of course is that’s before

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we were baptized.
If we hadn’t already been

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changed, if the Holy Spirit
hadn’t been working on us at

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those words hadn’t been
downloaded into us, we Wanted to

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be baptized in the first place,
like Jesus Christ.

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We were born again of water as a
result of what the spirit had

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already been doing to us.
And it’s because we had been

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changed from living a
self-focused life to a god,

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Focus life that we had decided
to get baptized in the first

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place.
Because why, of course, we is

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that Crystal fiends dont baptize
babies because that gets the

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order wrong.
Like, we see with Jesus Christ.

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You get born from water as a
result of being born from the

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spirit.
Not the other way around.

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Unless God, God’s spirit has
caused you to be born again.

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You just get wet, but if you’ve
been born of the spirit, then

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being born of water, takes the
spirit from something that’s

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acting on the outside of you
changing, you and doing Son of

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God, and is now something that
is acting inside of you flowing,

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out of you.
As we read in John 7, verses 37

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to 39 on the last day of the
feast, the great day.

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Jesus stood up and cried out.
If anyone thirsts let him come

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to me and drink Believes In Me,
as the scripture has said, out

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of his heart will flow, rivers
of Living Water.

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Now, this he said about the
spirit whom those who believed

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in him were to receive And
that’s why when you get

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baptized, you get put on the
speaking list as to take more

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leadership roles serve the
occlusion various ways because

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now that you have been baptized
now that the holy spirit is not

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just working on you, but in you
now that things are flowing out

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00:28:10,500 –> 00:28:14,600
of you that are God’s words.
We want to encourage that we

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want you to start getting that
Holy thing, you more CPU and RAM

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00:28:20,100 –> 00:28:22,700
and memory, getting more words
out on the communications

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00:28:22,700 –> 00:28:27,400
channels because we want to
Encourage God’s spirit within

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you.
That’s why you get more duties,

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if more work, but it’s good for
you and this is all.

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So now you may be wondering, why
are we not like the Pentecostals

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who believe that when you get
baptized every one lays their

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hands on you and all of a sudden
you start speaking in tongues

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and it seems based on our
experience.

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God could do that but God
doesn’t seem to do that when

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people get baptized the
nowadays.

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He did.
Do that back in the first

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century.
But nowadays, the fruit of the

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spirit that we tend to see in
people are nonetheless the work

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of the Holy Spirit but they’re
the ones that Paul talks about.

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In Galatians 5 you probably all
learned in Sunday school love

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joy, peace patience, kindness
goodness, faithfulness,

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gentleness and self-control.
These are the fruits of the

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spirit that we see working in
people after they get baptized

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and it kind of makes sense.
If you think about it, say

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you’re a parent.
Would you prefer to make your

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child instantaneously have
anything that you want it would

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You prefer to sort of put in
them, The Willpower to study a

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new language every day up until
the point where they become

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fluent and which is certainly
something we have seen with a

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number of christadelphians who
have been encouraged by the

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mission field and have learned a
new language or christadelphians

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who have gone into the medical
field so that they can learn to

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heal people.
God doesn’t seem to give so many

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of the instantaneous gifts, but
we do see his holy spirit

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working in people changing who
they are and the fruits of the

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spirit flowing out of them.
As after they are baptized,

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after they start producing The
Living Waters inside themselves,

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just like Jesus said, and in.
So doing what we’re doing is

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following the example of our
older brother, Jesus Christ.

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The firstborn among many
brothers.

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And of course, that’s again.
Why we’re gathered together this

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morning to remember.
Jesus is birth, and Jesus is

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death.
There’s a lot of people out

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there who only really remember
Jesus birth once a year on say,

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December 25th.
Remember his death once a year

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on say the 14th of Nisan,
wherever that may fall and March

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or April, but we as
christadelphians, we come

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together every Sunday and we eat
a piece of bread, and we drink a

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little bit of wine.
And we remember Jesus.

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We remember how in obedience and
love, he died on the cross.

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And how three days later he was
born again to eternal life.

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Every Sunday we get to remember
Jesus, death and Jesus’s birth.

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And so I wanted to talk about
Jesus’s birth to this morning

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but to be Must we talk about
Jesus’s birth, basically, every

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Sunday.
And of course, we’re not just

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thinking few good thing that
that will happen to him, but

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that’s not something to me.
Obviously, the reason why we

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remember Jesus birth every
Sunday is because we want to

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follow in his example, because
Jesus was born again to eternal

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life and I want to be born the
same way.

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He was, I want to live the same
way he lives, and if that

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requires dying the same way he
did, well, then sign me up

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because Because if you follow in
someone else’s footsteps, you’re

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going to end up where they are
going.

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And if I want to end up where
Jesus is, I need to follow him.

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And so that’s why every morning,
every Sunday morning, we come

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together.
And remember, whether it’s

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December 25th, whether it’s any
other Sunday, we remember,

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Jesus, death and Jesus’s birth.
And we see in that the template

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for our lives, for our death,
and our birth, and we continue

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to develop the Holy Spirit
within each one of us waiting.

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the day when we were all be born
again, just like he was

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