251: Ben Brinkerhoff – Romans 7 Set Your Mind On The Things Of The Spirit

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Welcome to good Chris Duffian
talks.

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I’m Levi.
And I’m Chris, and I’m Brian.

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And now let’s talk more about
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Hi, this week’s talk is the
second talk in a series on

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Romans 7 and 8 by Brother Ben
Brinkerhoff.

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Brother Ben takes us through a
summary of the atonement and the

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means of salvation as faith in
Jesus Christ counted as

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righteousness.
Brother Ben says at the

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beginning of his series that
these chapters can change your

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life and I found that to be
true.

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The first time I heard this
series was in my mid teens and I

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remember deciding during one of
the talks that I wanted to be

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baptized.
I hope this talk helps you set

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your mind on things of the
Spirit like it did for me.

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The rest of this series can be
found on the extended podcast.

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This class is Class 2 Roman
seven.

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Set your mind on things of the
Spirit rather than Brinkhoff.

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All right.
Good morning.

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So much better.
All right.

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OK.
So now we begin in earnest.

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We’ve built up the argument.
The 1st 5 chapters kind of

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skipped over Chapter 6.
For the moment and now.

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We’re ready to really begin and
dig into Chapter 7, huh?

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How’s that sound?
But I think as as annoying as

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this is, I’m going to have to
construct for you an

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understanding of the atonement,
because I really can’t get into

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Chapter 7 until you understand
the atonement now.

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Paul begins, really, as we read
and as you studied and looked.

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At in the last.
Class The 1st 3 chapters of

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Romans.
Saying that Jews and Gentiles

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and you and me, we’ve all
failed.

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To be free from sin.
Right, I’m.

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Going to try to use my slides
this time.

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There you go.
No one is just in God’s sight

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through personal righteousness.
Now who’s taking notes?

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So I only put things on a screen
that are really important.

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So you might want to those
things are good to copy down.

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But I also have my notes.
If anyone wants to look at them

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after, I’m happy for you to have
them.

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You can copy them whatever you
want to do.

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So begins by saying that
everyone has sinned.

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But, he explains, God is
actually willing.

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God is willing to count faith as
righteousness.

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That’s a big deal, right?
Just pause for a moment there.

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You’re all sinners.
Right, but God is still willing

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to say that you’re righteous by
faith.

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If that faith is genuine and
it’s focused on God’s means for

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salvation, that means so that
means for salvation is finally

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explained in chapter 5, right
outside of the introduction.

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Jesus is not mentioned in the
1st 4 chapters of Romans.

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But in finally in chapter five
we we find out that that faith

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must be in Jesus Christ.
So the question then becomes, I

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guess this is the question of
the atonement.

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How can Jesus save you?
Who here by show of hands feels

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very.
Confident in being able to

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address this question, You guys
remember back to your baptismal

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interviews, right?
And you get the questions on the

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atonement, you just sort of keep
on just answering God and Jesus

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as your answers and the and the
moderators kind of pushes you

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through it, you know.
At least that’s how many

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bachelors interviews I’ve been
on sit.

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They sit through, you know and
you keep on saying Jesus and

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eventually that’s the right
answer.

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Right.
How can Jesus save you, Jesus?

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You know.
So we’re going to, we’re going

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to we’re.
Just going to go over this very

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simply.
But I really want you to if you

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don’t feel comfortable with
being able to.

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Articulate the principles of the
atonement.

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Then pay attention because this
will help you.

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I think.
Okay, how can Jesus save you?

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Point #1.
Is he did not sin right.

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Without that, he would not be
able to save you.

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I think that’s the part we all
kind of feel very comfortable

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with.
But there’s a second aspect of

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this.
That I I I’ve actually.

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Not heard very well articulated
amongst our young people in

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which I didn’t really come to a
good understanding of until

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recently.
And there’s a second element

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that that.
That Jesus can save us, and

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that’s because on the cross he
destroyed his body.

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And his body was the thing
inside of him that rebelled

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against doing.
God’s will.

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That’s a really big concept.
Jesus chose to die.

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And we’re going to get into this
concept a little bit more later,

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but that one’s, that one’s
absolutely essential.

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It’s not just that he didn’t
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So he chose to put to death the
very thing inside of him that

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didn’t want to do God’s will.
And you have it inside of you.

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You have that rebellion inside
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The thing that that in your
mind, that carnal mind, whatever

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you want to call it, doesn’t
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And Jesus put it to death, OK.
So the combination of those two

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things is actually that God’s
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in those two things combined
that God’s righteousness is

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declared.
So he rules over death.

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OK, we’re going to get into that
a little bit more in a little

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bit, but that’s the equation.
I could, if you could narrow it

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down to an equation, that would
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It’s all about God’s
righteousness.

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So when God’s righteousness was
demonstrated, God was willing to

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save those who have sinned.
Who here has sinned?

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Alyssa, you’re raising your
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We all we’ve all sinned.
We’ve all sinned so, but God is

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willing to actually save those
who have sinned but on a

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condition.
And the condition is that you

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consider God to be righteous the
same way Jesus did, and you

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actually demonstrate that God is
righteous the same way Jesus

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did.
Now how do we declare that God

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is righteous?
How do we declare that God is

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right?
The same way that Jesus did one.

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We have faith.
I meant that’s the wrong way.

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OK?
We we declare God righteous the

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same way Jesus did.
Why?

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First of all, our old nature.
Our nature.

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Our old man is crucified with
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Notice the word with.
Right.

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Obviously, I’ve emphasized it on
the screen.

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It’s kind of an important word
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You’ll kind of see it come up
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Secondly, we are buried.
With him.

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We’re dead with Christ.
You choose to live with him.

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Guys going to get the the theme
here.

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What’s the common word in all
those four things I just brought

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up with?
What mean?

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Well, you can say it.
It’s OK.

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Only this, Do you guys not do
audience participation in New

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Zealand?
Is that the American thing?

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Now what’s the common word that
within all four of those things

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that is put on the screen?
Young people say it one 2-3 with

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him right now.
Why is that so important?

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Why is this idea of being with
Christ?

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Well, obviously you’re you have
to do what Christ Did you get

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it?
Now there’s these two ideas, the

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Atonement.
One of them is a Christ did it

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for you.
The other is.

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Christ shows you how.
You get these two ideas.

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They’re very different.
One is that Christ did

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everything for you.
The other is that he shows you

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how.
One is called substitution.

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The other called is
representation.

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Now it’s very important because
if Christ did everything for

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you, then why do you have to do
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But actually what scriptures
saying to us is that we have to

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participate in this idea of
Christ’s death and resurrection.

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So in baptism then what are we
doing in baptism?

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In baptism, what we’re doing is
in symbol.

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We’re putting our bodies in the
grave.

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Now why would we do that?
You think about baptism, it’s

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you are in symbol dying when you
go under those wires of baptism,

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that is a symbolic death.
Now why?

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Would you choose to die?
You choose to die because you

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are confessing that that’s what
your sin deserves and you’re.

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Choosing to say publicly that
God, and not you, is righteous.

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That’s what baptism is.
And you’re saying to everyone,

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I’m willing to go underneath
these waters because God is

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right, and you’re declaring that
he’s right because you’re saying

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my sin and my sinfulness deserve
to die, and by showing that

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Christ represents.
Us.

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And doing what Christ did and
acting out, in a sense what

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Christ did.
And declaring primarily and

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first and foremost perhaps, that
God is just, that God is right

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God’s.
Willing for us to share in Jesus

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resurrection as well and that.
What do you think what I mean if

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it going under the water.
Is a symbolic death.

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Then what is coming out of the
water, you think?

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Thank you, Sharon.
It’s very good participation.

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Yes.
It’s a symbolic resurrection.

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Now, aren’t you?
Aren’t we glad that our?

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Baptismal Brothers didn’t decide
to stand straight to the

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Kingdom.
You know, I’m just going to keep

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you down there, you know, you
got a one way ticket.

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No, you you you got.
To come out of the waters, and

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that coming out of the waters is
a symbolic resurrection.

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Do you see the word
participating in the death and

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the resurrection of Christ
through baptism?

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And if we’re participating the
death and resurrection of

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Christ, then once you put
forward the idea as being a

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pretty fundamental 1.
That when you go through that

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participation of the death and
resurrection of Christ, that you

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must also be declaring to God
very similar things as Jesus

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declared to God in his death and
resurrection.

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And what did Jesus declare to
God in his death and

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resurrection?
He’s declaring that God was

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right, that God is right.
We’re going to get to that in a

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little bit.
That’s a very, very, very

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important thing.
We’ll get to that a little bit

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more later.
Well, some were saying, some are

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saying that.
A life in Christ.

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Is just a free license to sin.
Why not?

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Especially if the resolves
grace, and grace is a good

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thing.
In other words, we ought to

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deliberately choose profane and
sinful lifestyle.

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Deliberately choose it because
we get more forgiveness that

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way.
Now we think that that’s a

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ridiculous argument, but I don’t
think it’s very ridiculous

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because we as baptized young
people and as elders we

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sometimes deliberately choose a
profane and simple lifestyle.

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Why is that?
That That’s an argument which

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which has a lot of bearing today
and so.

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Paul really speaks to that, and
Paul says that actually this

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would be impossible.
It would be totally inconsistent

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with a life in Christ.
See, the reason that we’re

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baptized is we in symbol put to
death our sinful nature the same

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way Jesus did we put it to
death.

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And in the process of putting to
death our sinful nature in

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symbol we declare God as
righteous.

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Now to sin deliberately is to
declare to everyone.

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That nature didn’t really,
symbolically die.

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In fact, the ceremony was kind
of like a sham.

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We didn’t really symbolically
put our nature to death.

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We were.
We didn’t symbolically

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participate in the death of
Christ in the cross.

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Of course, assuming sitting.
Deliberately, and Paul says no,

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that couldn’t be.
Paul says that in Christ you’re

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resurrected to a new life, free
from sin.

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We should come out of baptism to
a new life and that in this new

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life.
We try to be like Christ as he

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now is now.
How is Christ now?

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Christ is in heaven, fulfilling
the perfect will of God.

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That is Christ’s resurrected
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When Christ came out of the
waters of baptism, you tell me

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that he desires sin any longer.
No.

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Did he desire to do evil any
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Did he have rebellion in his
heart any longer?

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And so we come out of those
waters of baptism.

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That is the life that we’re
taking on.

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Now, we don’t do it perfectly.
I understand it’s a symbol, and

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you understand that’s a symbol.
But that is the symbol.

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That is the life that we’re
taking on.

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And Paul says, if you take on
that life, how could you choose

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to sin deliberately?
It would be completely

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consistent with that choice.
This new life in Christ is based

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on the premise, based on the
premise that the rebellious,

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sinful nature with all of its
willfulness.

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Was put to death.
That’s the premise this life is

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based on in after baptism.
And this implies young people.

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We offer a full surrender of
self to the will of God.

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And that is more.
Encompassing than a surrender to

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the rule of law.
It’s a surrender of self.

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So it’s Romans 7 in a nutshell.
Paul shows in Romans 7 that a

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life lived under the law made
sin, if not deliberate,

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inevitable, because I want to
make sure that.

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Makes sense for a moment.
Paul shows that a life lived

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under the law makes sin, if not
deliberate, inevitable.

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Why will you tell me?
If God gave us a series.

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Of commands and to show us.
Clearly what right and wrong was

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as God himself declared that
right and wrong.

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How?
Long would it take for everyone

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in this room eventually to break
one of those laws?

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Maybe it would a while.
But eventually we’d all do it,

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wouldn’t we?
And so.

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The law made sin inevitable.
Because the law showed us what

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right and wrong really was.
And be by knowing right and

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wrong.
Really.

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Was it showed us?
Without any doubt at all that we

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were on the wrong side, at least
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So the question that had to be
asked then is this one if the

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law made sin inevitable.
Is the law.

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To be blamed?
Or are we to be blamed?

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That’s the question.
That’s the question of Chapter

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7.
This is chapter seven in a

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nutshell.
The Big nutshell.

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Still nutshell if the law.
Made sin inevitable?

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Then is the law to be blamed or
we to be blamed?

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It’d be really nice to blame
someone, by the way, wouldn’t

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that be great?
Wouldn’t be great to blame

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someone for sin?
But be.

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Fantastic, you know.
It’s his fault.

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It’s her fault.
It’s my wife’s fault, my kids

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fault.
It’s.

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Uncle Viv’s fault?
I don’t know.

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It’s someone’s fault.
Right, but the law.

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Actually made it personal.
You can’t blame.

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You can’t blame.
And so to demonstrate the point

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politics of the question then
how do how does Paul going to

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demonstrate that it’s it’s us
and not the law that’s at fault.

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The law may remember the law
makes sin inevitable.

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If God says this is what I
expect of you, it almost is

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inevitable that you break it and
it shows you to be a Sinner.

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So so well if the.
Law makes sin inevitable, Paul.

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Maybe.
Maybe it’s the law’s.

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Fault because it’s inevitable
that I’m going to sin.

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Maybe the problem was the law.
I should never have gotten that

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law.
Maybe I was set up to fail by

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this law.
You can see the questions start

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to arise.
And so how does Paul then begin

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to prove that it’s actually our
fault and not the laws?

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So to demonstrate the point,
Paul takes up the question and

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the question is this.
What then was the purpose of the

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law?
We partially addressed this

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question in our last class.
That class I hope made clear.

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That the purpose of the law was
to show us our sin.

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And I did a horrible job of
showing my slides last class,

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but I had this fantastic slide
of this dark.

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Room with a flashlight.
And the dark room was the law

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and the flashlight was the law
and it was shining sin.

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And that’s what the law was
really supposed to do, is

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supposed to show us what sin was
and show us that we’re sinful,

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you know?
But.

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What happens when we’re kids?
I had babies.

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Who here has had a baby?
Right.

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There’s some of us.
So we all kind of get this I

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think a little bit.
What is life like for babies?

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Well, I’d say this is a good
summary.

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They want plus they take.
Plus, they’re happy equals

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they’re happy.
Now that happiness is is, by the

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way, very momentary.
But for the moment at least.

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It is sheer.
Happiness, especially if someone

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else was having it first.
But this is what it’s like to be

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a kid.
You don’t think about it.

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You want something, you take it.
There’s no conflict.

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This is perfectly integrated.
There’s a lot of integrity in

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this statement.
I want it.

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I take it.
I’m happy.

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But then what happens when God
says I don’t want you to take it

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and you and and not only that,
be you become old enough where

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you understand why maybe God
doesn’t want you to take it.

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What happens then?
Well, you want it still.

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I mean, just like let’s just a
little baby wanted something.

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You still want it that hasn’t
changed.

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But now you have God’s law.
When God says to you you

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shouldn’t take it.
Now there’s conflict.

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You see.
Before there’s no conflict.

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For the child, for the child.
There’s no.

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The only call for the child is
me.

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I can’t do this in this country,
but I do.

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You smack the hand, you know?
And the conflict is not wanting

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to spank.
But there’s no conflict in

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wanting what they want and
wanting to take it.

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But now for the adult, they
understand God’s law, and so now

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or before, there’s no.
Conflict for the child.

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Now there’s this conflict for
the adult, and the conflict

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begins.
OK, So what do I mean by this

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conflict?
I want you to imagine a society.

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In which envy and jealousy are
considered virtue.

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In this society, everyone wants
to have the toys and the jobs

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and the looks and the status of
somebody else.

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In fact, the more you want what
someone else has, the harder you

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work to get it.
And the more money you spend in

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the pursuit and the more that
commerce is enhanced.

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In fact, this society feels that
it was such a virtue to have to

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have.
Envy and jealousy were such

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virtues that whole industries
were created solely with the

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intention of helping you to want
someone else’s things.

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Attractive people were then
hired.

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Just to show off how nice their
things were so that you would

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feel insignificant and small
without their things.

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Imagine a society like that.
It’s probably real hard to

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imagine a society like.
And then a law.

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Was then introduced into the
society that reflects the mind

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of God and teaches that
covetousness is wrong because

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that’s not what God is like.
Now, prior to the law, people

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coveted without remorse.
In fact, they would voluntarily

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subject themselves to magazines
and ads that make to make them

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feel covetousness.
They like covetousness.

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They go into into malls and
markets that were designed by

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experts in coveting who have pH
D’s in coveting that without any

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these these environments would
make them covet.

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And entice every sense of their
bodies.

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They would feel no remorse for
for be coveting in that society.

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Why would they feel any remorse?
And be is the virtue.

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It makes commerce go round.
It makes people strive for more.

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But now since God’s.
Law is introduced into the

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society.
It’s clear.

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What God’s righteous requirement
is.

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And so now a conflict begins.
And in this society’s desire to

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have what belongs to other
people, everyone in society

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begins to understand this really
fundamental, important thing.

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And that’s this, that their body
and their nature does not care

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at all for God’s word, for
following his command, or for

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God’s righteousness.
It simply wants other people’s

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stuff where the God wants them
to want it or not.

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Do you understand this?
Do you understand the conflict

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now, young people, before there
was no conflict.

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It’s like being a child.
I want something, I take

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something, I’m happy, but now
God’s.

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Righteous.
Requirement is now clear.

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And and in it becoming clear,
the thing that clarifies within

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yourself is that your body does
not care at all for God’s word,

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your nature.
Does not care at all for God’s

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righteousness.
It still wants things.

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The want has not gone away, it’s
just now you know what God

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expects of you, but the want is
still there.

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So what would God’s laws do to
this society?

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I think it would make men
sinners because it would show

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them what sin is.
It would teach people the

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contrast between their character
and God’s character.

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Without the law.
Without God’s law, I think we

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would naturally act contrary to
almost all of its statutes.

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So in addition to governing a
nation, what the law really

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shows us is it shows us what
we’re like.

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It’s like a mirror, and we look
in that mirror, we see the flame

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of sinful passion inside.
No?

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Romans 7 verse five says for
when we were in the flesh, the

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motions of sin, which were by
the law.

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Did work on our members to bring
forth fruit unto death.

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You get that?
The motions of that red is not.

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Putting that really is a shame.
You guys read that word passions

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there.
Who here can’t read that word

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passions on the third line in
the back?

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You can’t.
That is that is just awful.

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All right, well, I’ll have to do
some editing tonight.

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All right, so we read there,
though, for when we are in the

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flesh.
The motions of sin, which were

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by the law, the word motions.
There is passions here in this

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translation.
The passions of sin which were

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by the law, didn’t work, and our
members bring fruit for the

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death.
You see how close, how close sin

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is with the law?
The law brings out passions.

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They’re aroused by the law.
Because when I was a child, I

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just wanted things that I took
it.

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It was so clear I had no guilt
about it.

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But now the law brings out all
these passions.

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And now from the law I know that
I’m a Sinner.

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The law is convicted me of sin
because I know what God requires

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of me and I know I’m not doing
it.

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So the law just, it is, it sets
to work all this emotion, all

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this passion in me because I
have all this conflict now I

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didn’t have before.
So the law is very closely

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associated with sin.
So Paul needs to explain in

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verse 7.
Is the law.

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Sin.
Wasn’t that our question we

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started with.
What’s the first question I

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asked?
You in these studies.

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I said, is the law sin?
Now do we understand why Paul

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asked that question?
Now do we get why he asked that

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question?
Is the law sin because of this?

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No.
Paul explains that the law is

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right.
It just shows us that we’re

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sinful.
But what’s important here is to

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recognize that people don’t sin
deliberately.

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That grace would abound.
Okay, you don’t set off.

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On a intentional course to
covet, at least you ought not

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to.
You can do, by the way, but you

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ought not to, and I don’t think
that’s the way it works most the

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time.
I think you just covet

443
00:28:29,630 –> 00:28:32,910
naturally.
No one has to make you try.

444
00:28:34,110 –> 00:28:40,310
They just do.
And so here’s the knife’s edge

445
00:28:42,950 –> 00:28:45,980
if you can’t control.
The desire to have.

446
00:28:46,180 –> 00:28:50,340
What belongs to someone else?
What are you supposed to do?

447
00:28:50,340 –> 00:28:56,740
Let me just repeat that.
If you can’t control the desire

448
00:28:57,220 –> 00:29:00,780
to have what belongs to someone
else, what are you supposed to

449
00:29:00,780 –> 00:29:04,060
do?
I mean, by show of hands, who

450
00:29:04,060 –> 00:29:06,940
here is really, really good at
controlling their covetousness?

451
00:29:08,420 –> 00:29:13,140
Not, not, not the this, not the
not taking of things.

452
00:29:13,550 –> 00:29:15,230
You know, if you don’t take
things, good for you.

453
00:29:15,510 –> 00:29:18,350
I’m talking about your desire.
To have it what belongs someone

454
00:29:18,350 –> 00:29:21,470
else?
If you can’t control it.

455
00:29:25,310 –> 00:29:26,950
Your desire to have among
someone else, what are you

456
00:29:26,950 –> 00:29:29,150
supposed to do?
And that’s that is really the

457
00:29:29,150 –> 00:29:33,870
sharp edge of the problem,
because under the law, there’s

458
00:29:33,870 –> 00:29:36,390
nothing you can do.
And that’s the point.

459
00:29:37,270 –> 00:29:40,120
You get it.
Under the law, there is nothing

460
00:29:40,120 –> 00:29:42,040
you can do.
This problem does not go away.

461
00:29:42,040 –> 00:29:44,280
Under the law, this problem is
enhanced.

462
00:29:44,280 –> 00:29:47,560
By the law, the law makes this
problem front and center.

463
00:29:47,560 –> 00:29:50,760
So have to stare at it and look
at it and recognize that there

464
00:29:50,760 –> 00:29:53,360
is no solution to this problem
under the law.

465
00:29:55,080 –> 00:29:58,080
That’s the point of the law was
to get us to this point and then

466
00:29:58,080 –> 00:30:00,880
it drops us.
There’s nothing else that can do

467
00:30:00,880 –> 00:30:05,240
for us.
So step.

468
00:30:05,240 –> 00:30:10,660
One then young people.
Step one is understand the

469
00:30:10,660 –> 00:30:15,780
source of the problem and Paul.
In this chapter he points a

470
00:30:15,780 –> 00:30:20,980
spotlight on human nature, the
motions of sin if you, if you

471
00:30:20,980 –> 00:30:25,580
were the passions.
I put forward to you that you

472
00:30:25,580 –> 00:30:27,500
must.
Understand human nature if you

473
00:30:27,500 –> 00:30:30,820
want to do something about it,
so we’re going to really spend

474
00:30:30,820 –> 00:30:34,700
some time then young people, old
people in between people.

475
00:30:36,160 –> 00:30:37,840
Who considers themselves an in
between person?

476
00:30:40,920 –> 00:30:42,120
I would.
Consider you all old.

477
00:30:47,000 –> 00:30:50,160
So we’re really going to spend
some time to really look at

478
00:30:50,160 –> 00:30:54,520
human nature.
So what is human nature?

479
00:30:57,400 –> 00:30:59,880
That has a difficult question.
What is human nature?

480
00:31:01,160 –> 00:31:04,600
As Paul goes on to convey to us
in Chapter 7, Human Nature.

481
00:31:06,080 –> 00:31:09,320
Is feelings and desires and
lusts and passions and

482
00:31:09,320 –> 00:31:13,720
infatuation and rage and envy as
a lot of things acting on people

483
00:31:13,840 –> 00:31:16,760
that are hard to define but easy
to feel.

484
00:31:17,360 –> 00:31:22,360
I mean, how do I define rage?
It’s hard to define it, but I

485
00:31:22,360 –> 00:31:23,360
know what it feels.
Like.

486
00:31:23,720 –> 00:31:25,080
And I bet you know what it feels
like.

487
00:31:26,280 –> 00:31:29,720
How do you define envy?
Well, it’s hard to.

488
00:31:29,720 –> 00:31:31,680
Define, but I bet you know what
it feels like.

489
00:31:34,280 –> 00:31:35,920
This class we.
Really need to get a handle on

490
00:31:35,920 –> 00:31:38,960
human nature and see how it
draws out our basic sinfulness.

491
00:31:40,240 –> 00:31:43,600
Now the fact that human nature
is friend center in this chapter

492
00:31:43,600 –> 00:31:47,640
is evident by three verses.
The one I just read about sinful

493
00:31:47,960 –> 00:31:50,400
passions which are.
Aroused by the law, that word

494
00:31:50,400 –> 00:31:54,320
aroused very feeling type word,
and Roman Steadman, Mercedes

495
00:31:54,320 –> 00:31:56,600
says.
But sin taking opportunity by

496
00:31:56,600 –> 00:32:00,800
the commandment produced in me
all manner of evil desire.

497
00:32:02,070 –> 00:32:05,910
Romans 7 verse 15 For what I
will to do that I do not

498
00:32:05,910 –> 00:32:08,230
practice, but what I hate that I
do.

499
00:32:08,470 –> 00:32:12,390
So we have arousal, we have evil
desire, we have hatred.

500
00:32:13,030 –> 00:32:15,870
With all these things in this
chapter and I I just put forward

501
00:32:15,870 –> 00:32:18,550
to you that unless you get your
head around this stuff, this

502
00:32:18,550 –> 00:32:20,190
chapter is not going to make any
sense to you.

503
00:32:21,070 –> 00:32:23,550
So I put forward that the rest
of this class, we have to spend

504
00:32:23,550 –> 00:32:26,270
some time getting our head
around this and see what Jesus

505
00:32:26,270 –> 00:32:28,990
did about it.
And how what he did about

506
00:32:28,990 –> 00:32:30,350
declared the righteousness of
God?

507
00:32:31,350 –> 00:32:33,350
Is that OK course to chart for
the rest of this class?

508
00:32:34,750 –> 00:32:38,950
Did anyone disagree?
All right.

509
00:32:42,110 –> 00:32:44,830
All right, so first a.
Practical example.

510
00:32:45,710 –> 00:32:48,870
This example is going to require
audience participation.

511
00:32:50,070 –> 00:32:52,750
So I’m just giving you
forewarning, Steve, you’re

512
00:32:52,750 –> 00:32:54,070
smiling.
Maybe you can start your

513
00:32:54,070 –> 00:32:55,070
Australian.
Very bold.

514
00:32:56,510 –> 00:33:02,830
Give me a characteristic that.
Give me a characteristic that

515
00:33:02,830 –> 00:33:05,950
you’d like to have.
A personal personality

516
00:33:05,950 –> 00:33:17,270
Characteristic A character.
Go I can.

517
00:33:18,550 –> 00:33:22,950
Give me a personality
characteristic that you’d like

518
00:33:22,950 –> 00:33:27,390
to have.
Boldness.

519
00:33:27,750 –> 00:33:34,030
Interesting choice.
OK, give me some other examples

520
00:33:34,030 –> 00:33:35,870
of personality characteristics
we’d like to have.

521
00:33:36,870 –> 00:33:37,790
Patience.
Good one.

522
00:33:38,030 –> 00:33:39,990
What’s another one?
Love.

523
00:33:39,990 –> 00:33:41,750
Good one.
What’s another one?

524
00:33:44,430 –> 00:33:46,550
Not tolerance.
What’s another one?

525
00:33:48,470 –> 00:33:50,310
long-suffering.
That’s probably kind of what you

526
00:33:50,310 –> 00:33:51,430
meant.
Yep.

527
00:33:51,550 –> 00:33:55,110
What’s another one?
Humbleness.

528
00:33:55,110 –> 00:33:58,390
Good.
Understanding.

529
00:33:58,390 –> 00:34:01,000
Good.
Faithfulness.

530
00:34:01,040 –> 00:34:05,480
Excellent.
Anymore, we have love, we’ve had

531
00:34:05,640 –> 00:34:09,960
patience, we’ve had
faithfulness.

532
00:34:10,719 –> 00:34:12,600
Joy.
Good, Excellent.

533
00:34:14,120 –> 00:34:20,760
What’s this?
Kindness good. self-control.

534
00:34:21,080 –> 00:34:22,600
We’re really getting some of the
fruits of the spirit.

535
00:34:22,600 –> 00:34:28,040
Here, aren’t we that was oops,
that was my bad list.

536
00:34:28,449 –> 00:34:32,130
So that the good list had had
love and joy and peace, I said.

537
00:34:32,130 –> 00:34:34,570
And patience and kindness and
goodness and faithfulness.

538
00:34:35,130 –> 00:34:40,330
Selfcontrol.
Now who here does not want to

539
00:34:40,330 –> 00:34:42,370
have those kind of personality
characteristics?

540
00:34:44,449 –> 00:34:46,690
Love, joy.
Peace, gentleness.

541
00:34:46,690 –> 00:34:50,130
Kindness, Selfcontrol, patients.
Who here doesn’t want those

542
00:34:50,130 –> 00:34:54,290
things?
So can I Can I assume by the

543
00:34:54,330 –> 00:34:57,810
complete lack of hands that we’d
all like those things?

544
00:34:58,600 –> 00:35:03,520
Can I assume that nod of heads?
OK, all right, now what are some

545
00:35:03,520 –> 00:35:06,520
of the characteristics?
We don’t want to have some bad

546
00:35:06,520 –> 00:35:07,920
characteristics now.
Yep.

547
00:35:08,640 –> 00:35:09,640
Hatred good.
One.

548
00:35:10,640 –> 00:35:11,560
Jealousy good.
One.

549
00:35:12,760 –> 00:35:17,800
Lust excellent.
Envy good.

550
00:35:19,120 –> 00:35:22,960
Anger good.
Well, this is this is my.

551
00:35:22,960 –> 00:35:25,760
List.
I think you got most of those

552
00:35:25,760 –> 00:35:29,170
actually.
Anger, jealousy, lust, envy,

553
00:35:29,170 –> 00:35:31,770
hatred, and bitterness.
Okay.

554
00:35:32,170 –> 00:35:35,010
So who by show of hands would
really?

555
00:35:35,010 –> 00:35:37,290
Like to have some of those
personality characteristics?

556
00:35:39,970 –> 00:35:42,090
Anybody.
Anyone.

557
00:35:44,010 –> 00:35:48,650
So we’ve all said we want this
list of Lovejoy, peace,

558
00:35:48,650 –> 00:35:52,450
patience, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, self-control.

559
00:35:52,870 –> 00:35:56,230
We’ve all agreed we want those.
Now just this by this.

560
00:35:56,230 –> 00:35:58,790
So I know this is just not a
lack of participation exercise.

561
00:35:59,310 –> 00:36:00,870
Raise your hand if you want the
good.

562
00:36:00,870 –> 00:36:07,510
Characteristics Anyone not
raising their hands.

563
00:36:07,550 –> 00:36:09,310
Good.
All right.

564
00:36:09,830 –> 00:36:13,070
Now raise your hand if you do
not want to have the bad

565
00:36:13,070 –> 00:36:17,990
characteristics.
Desmond, very good, thank you.

566
00:36:20,110 –> 00:36:23,220
So.
We’ve all been agreed.

567
00:36:23,220 –> 00:36:25,900
I guess this is settled then.
I’m glad we’ve had this

568
00:36:25,900 –> 00:36:27,780
exercise.
You’ve all told me that you’re

569
00:36:27,780 –> 00:36:29,380
only going to have the good
elements of character.

570
00:36:29,380 –> 00:36:30,460
You’re not going to have the
bad.

571
00:36:30,460 –> 00:36:33,900
Elements of character.
So I guess we’re done, right?

572
00:36:33,900 –> 00:36:36,380
We’ve all decided, you know.
You’ve told me.

573
00:36:36,860 –> 00:36:38,140
You told me.
You want to have the good list.

574
00:36:38,140 –> 00:36:43,620
You don’t have the bad list.
It couldn’t be good.

575
00:36:43,860 –> 00:36:45,820
In the in the hands of someone
who’s righteous.

576
00:36:46,220 –> 00:36:49,140
But I would say that for the
most part, anger our anger,

577
00:36:49,260 –> 00:36:51,140
anger that comes from our
nature’s.

578
00:36:51,720 –> 00:36:53,320
Probably not.
Good anger that comes from the

579
00:36:53,320 –> 00:37:00,480
desire to God’s will might be.
So if we want to have the good

580
00:37:00,480 –> 00:37:02,680
elements of character, we don’t
want to have the bad elements of

581
00:37:02,680 –> 00:37:04,040
character.
You’ve all agreed as much, and

582
00:37:04,040 –> 00:37:05,840
you’ve raised your hands and
you’ve volunteered and you’ve

583
00:37:06,000 –> 00:37:10,920
you’ve been accountable.
You think it’s going to work,

584
00:37:13,360 –> 00:37:14,880
think it’s going to work.
You’re just not going to do any

585
00:37:14,880 –> 00:37:16,640
of the bad stuff now.
You’re only going to do the good

586
00:37:16,640 –> 00:37:18,640
stuff.
Think it’s going to work.

587
00:37:21,350 –> 00:37:24,670
Why not?
Why isn’t it going to work?

588
00:37:24,670 –> 00:37:26,550
You just told me you want to
have the good characteristics.

589
00:37:26,550 –> 00:37:30,470
You want to ditch the bad.
So my question to you is what’s

590
00:37:30,470 –> 00:37:36,270
stopping you?
That’s it, isn’t it?

591
00:37:37,590 –> 00:37:41,150
What’s stopping you?
What’s stopping you from doing

592
00:37:41,150 –> 00:37:46,510
good all the time?
You know, we need to get a

593
00:37:46,510 –> 00:37:48,190
handle on that.
Do you see?

594
00:37:48,190 –> 00:37:50,870
That we can’t do the things we
want to do.

595
00:37:51,900 –> 00:37:54,180
The things that we don’t want to
do, we do.

596
00:37:55,220 –> 00:37:59,220
Now what’s a word?
The Bible has lots of words for

597
00:37:59,220 –> 00:38:04,060
this, for this idea, this
concept of of of not being able

598
00:38:04,060 –> 00:38:07,620
to do what we want to do and and
doing what we don’t want to do.

599
00:38:08,500 –> 00:38:11,420
The Bible calls it sinful
nature, and it calls it the

600
00:38:11,420 –> 00:38:13,340
flesh, and it calls it human
nature.

601
00:38:14,900 –> 00:38:18,460
It calls it just sin.
But there’s one word that’s

602
00:38:18,460 –> 00:38:22,580
really predominant.
Especially in the King, New King

603
00:38:22,580 –> 00:38:26,460
James, the RSV.
The N IV and the ESV describe

604
00:38:27,460 –> 00:38:30,900
this this idea.
That you not doing what you want

605
00:38:30,900 –> 00:38:33,500
to do, but you are doing what
you don’t want to do.

606
00:38:35,580 –> 00:38:42,860
And that word you can’t really
read, but that word is passions

607
00:38:44,580 –> 00:38:47,050
now.
We generally think of passions

608
00:38:47,050 –> 00:38:49,010
as being a good thing, doesn’t
doesn’t we?

609
00:38:49,050 –> 00:38:52,450
I mean, in society today, if you
just read about this word

610
00:38:52,450 –> 00:38:56,250
passion, it’s almost always used
in the positive sense you should

611
00:38:56,250 –> 00:38:57,970
go.
For your passions and strive for

612
00:38:57,970 –> 00:39:01,530
your passion and passion is
really this idea of feeling

613
00:39:01,530 –> 00:39:03,290
something quite strongly, isn’t
it?

614
00:39:04,370 –> 00:39:07,690
Feeling something quite strongly
and whatever you’re feeling

615
00:39:08,370 –> 00:39:10,730
trying to achieve.
Whatever it is you’re feeling

616
00:39:12,650 –> 00:39:14,570
now.
How do you think the Bible’s

617
00:39:14,570 –> 00:39:18,770
going to think about that kind
of word, the idea that I feel

618
00:39:18,770 –> 00:39:22,890
something from my nature,
whatever it is, of strong

619
00:39:22,890 –> 00:39:26,890
desire, and I’m going to go and
strive after achieving that

620
00:39:26,890 –> 00:39:31,450
thing?
You know, there’s a lot of

621
00:39:31,450 –> 00:39:33,290
references in scripture to
passions.

622
00:39:34,650 –> 00:39:37,850
Some of them are appearing right
now on the screen.

623
00:39:39,570 –> 00:39:42,450
Those are all references to
passions.

624
00:39:43,300 –> 00:39:45,980
I’d like to read some of these
references now.

625
00:39:46,380 –> 00:39:49,060
Don’t look them up, just pay
attention to me and I’m not.

626
00:39:49,060 –> 00:39:51,020
Just going to reach you one.
I’m going to read you.

627
00:39:51,020 –> 00:39:53,580
Not all of them, but several,
because I don’t.

628
00:39:53,580 –> 00:39:56,100
I want to get the sense that I’m
not just cherry picking versus

629
00:39:56,100 –> 00:39:58,940
here.
All right, So pay attention to

630
00:39:58,940 –> 00:40:00,780
me.
Listen for the word passions.

631
00:40:01,420 –> 00:40:04,340
For this reason, God gave them
up to dishonorable passions

632
00:40:05,300 –> 00:40:07,580
through women Exchanged natural
relations for unnatural.

633
00:40:07,580 –> 00:40:09,970
Romans 612.
But not sin.

634
00:40:09,970 –> 00:40:13,010
Therefore reign in your mortal
bodies to make you obey their

635
00:40:13,010 –> 00:40:15,210
passions.
Roman 7, verse 5.

636
00:40:15,490 –> 00:40:18,210
For while we are.
Living in the flesh our sinful

637
00:40:18,210 –> 00:40:20,690
passions.
Aroused by the law we’re.

638
00:40:20,690 –> 00:40:22,530
Working our members to bear
fruit for death.

639
00:40:23,050 –> 00:40:28,290
Relations 524 Those who belong
to Christ Jesus have crucified

640
00:40:28,290 –> 00:40:31,490
the flesh with its passions and
its desires.

641
00:40:31,930 –> 00:40:34,970
Ephesians 2 Verse three Among
these who all.

642
00:40:34,970 –> 00:40:37,090
Once lived in the passions of
our flesh.

643
00:40:37,500 –> 00:40:41,620
Following the desires of body
and mind, and so were by nature

644
00:40:41,620 –> 00:40:43,860
children of wrath, like the rest
of mankind.

645
00:40:44,580 –> 00:40:49,180
Titus 3, verse 3.
For we ourselves were once

646
00:40:49,180 –> 00:40:51,820
foolish, disobedient, led
astray, slaves to various

647
00:40:51,820 –> 00:40:55,620
passions and pleasures, passing
our days in the mouths and envy,

648
00:40:55,620 –> 00:40:59,980
hated by men hating one another.
James 4 verse one What?

649
00:40:59,980 –> 00:41:03,060
Causes wars.
What causes fightings among you?

650
00:41:03,580 –> 00:41:06,420
Is it not your passions at war
and your members?

651
00:41:07,090 –> 00:41:09,090
Verse Peter 2 verse 11.
But well.

652
00:41:09,170 –> 00:41:11,970
I beseech you as aliens in
exiles, to abstain from the

653
00:41:11,970 –> 00:41:15,170
passions of the flesh that wage
war against your soul.

654
00:41:15,610 –> 00:41:19,210
Second Peter 3, verse 3.
For all you must understand that

655
00:41:19,210 –> 00:41:23,290
scoffers have come in the last
day, scoffing and following

656
00:41:23,290 –> 00:41:27,450
their passions, you get some
idea of what passions are

657
00:41:27,450 –> 00:41:28,930
talking about.
Do I just cherry pick a

658
00:41:28,930 –> 00:41:30,770
reference with this idea of
passions?

659
00:41:32,290 –> 00:41:35,170
All of these verses talk about
passions in the negative.

660
00:41:37,380 –> 00:41:39,140
What’s society talk you about?
Passions.

661
00:41:40,260 –> 00:41:41,700
It’s a really good way to make
money off you.

662
00:41:41,700 –> 00:41:46,380
By the way, follow your passion.
Buy my product.

663
00:41:46,580 –> 00:41:51,740
It will really help.
The source of happiness is

664
00:41:51,740 –> 00:41:55,060
following your passions.
But what are passions?

665
00:41:55,060 –> 00:42:01,740
According to scripture, they’re
ungodly tendencies, their sexual

666
00:42:01,740 –> 00:42:04,300
desires.
Their desires for things they’re

667
00:42:04,300 –> 00:42:07,540
associated with, drunkenness and
lawlessness and carousing, the

668
00:42:07,540 –> 00:42:09,460
things that cause fights and
wars.

669
00:42:09,780 –> 00:42:12,940
They’re closely associated with
hate and wrath, associated with

670
00:42:12,940 –> 00:42:16,140
the desires of our body,
especially connected with youth,

671
00:42:16,140 –> 00:42:18,860
opposed to righteousness and
faith and love and peace.

672
00:42:21,980 –> 00:42:24,500
You know, if you look at some of
the adjectives that God adds

673
00:42:24,500 –> 00:42:27,340
immediately before the Word
passions, you’ll find a list

674
00:42:27,340 –> 00:42:31,260
that includes ungodly,
vicentious, human, dishonorable,

675
00:42:31,380 –> 00:42:34,030
sinful.
Worldly youthful.

676
00:42:36,070 –> 00:42:38,030
Are we getting a sense of what
these passions are?

677
00:42:40,630 –> 00:42:42,790
If you feel it, does it make it
right?

678
00:42:45,390 –> 00:42:47,430
That’s the question.
That’s the question on the

679
00:42:47,430 –> 00:42:49,630
table.
If you feel it, does it make it

680
00:42:49,630 –> 00:42:52,350
right?
Does it make it right with?

681
00:42:52,350 –> 00:42:57,070
God if I’ve seen people in the
truth that have a passion for

682
00:42:57,070 –> 00:43:00,350
some element of the truth,
right, and have steamrolled

683
00:43:00,350 –> 00:43:02,070
their brothers and sisters in
the process.

684
00:43:02,950 –> 00:43:06,750
Did that make that right?
Even if it’s a passion for

685
00:43:06,750 –> 00:43:11,230
something in the truth?
Was that a careful consideration

686
00:43:11,230 –> 00:43:14,910
of Scripture?
James tells us that those who

687
00:43:14,910 –> 00:43:17,390
are in the Spirit are easy to be
entreated.

688
00:43:24,930 –> 00:43:29,250
Let’s try to find some places or
times that our passions are

689
00:43:29,250 –> 00:43:32,130
inflamed.
I’ll include an example.

690
00:43:32,810 –> 00:43:36,830
I feel passions the most.
During four different Things,

691
00:43:36,830 –> 00:43:38,270
when four different things are
happening to me.

692
00:43:38,790 –> 00:43:45,070
One I’m hungry, I’m angry, I’m
lonely, or I’m.

693
00:43:45,070 –> 00:43:47,190
Tired.
I call that halt.

694
00:43:47,190 –> 00:44:02,580
It’s right down the board.
I’m hungry when I’m angry, when

695
00:44:02,580 –> 00:44:06,900
I’m lonely, and when I’m tired.
I really feel my passions.

696
00:44:06,900 –> 00:44:13,420
Then there’s other times we want
to do something we shouldn’t or

697
00:44:13,420 –> 00:44:18,420
take something that isn’t ours.
When others are hurting us, we

698
00:44:18,420 –> 00:44:21,460
want to get back at them.
We feel a lot of resentment.

699
00:44:23,900 –> 00:44:27,220
When we feel that we’re empty or
worthless, we feel a lot of

700
00:44:27,220 –> 00:44:30,380
passion.
And we can’t handle life or

701
00:44:30,380 –> 00:44:34,460
stress.
No, passion isn’t in itself

702
00:44:34,460 –> 00:44:38,060
wrong.
It’s simply the body’s way of

703
00:44:38,060 –> 00:44:40,540
asserting self and getting what
it wants.

704
00:44:42,060 –> 00:44:43,820
And how does the body get what
it wants?

705
00:44:44,340 –> 00:44:48,020
It makes you feel something and
you feel compelled to do it.

706
00:44:50,900 –> 00:44:52,380
It’s very simple process, isn’t
it?

707
00:44:53,180 –> 00:44:54,940
It’s the body’s way of getting
what it wants.

708
00:44:54,940 –> 00:44:56,940
And in and of itself, that may
not be wrong.

709
00:44:56,940 –> 00:45:01,760
It can’t be wrong.
But certainly the acting on it,

710
00:45:02,000 –> 00:45:04,720
in contrast, the principles of
God is wrong.

711
00:45:08,000 –> 00:45:09,840
Do we all?
Agree that maybe these passions

712
00:45:09,840 –> 00:45:12,360
have something to do with
willing to do right, but not

713
00:45:12,360 –> 00:45:15,960
willing not being able to do it.
Maybe passions have something to

714
00:45:15,960 –> 00:45:19,680
do with that concept.
Now picking up in Romans, we

715
00:45:19,680 –> 00:45:21,440
read in Romans 7 versus 7 and
eight.

716
00:45:23,040 –> 00:45:25,680
What shall we say then?
Is the law sin?

717
00:45:26,160 –> 00:45:28,880
Certainly not.
On the contrary, I would not

718
00:45:28,880 –> 00:45:30,560
have known sin except.
Through the law.

719
00:45:30,560 –> 00:45:33,240
We get that concept now, right?
That’s all clear for us, right?

720
00:45:34,560 –> 00:45:36,240
For I.
Would not have known

721
00:45:36,240 –> 00:45:39,680
covetousness.
Lest the law had said, you shall

722
00:45:39,680 –> 00:45:43,360
not covet but sin, taking
opportunity by the commandment

723
00:45:44,000 –> 00:45:47,520
produced in me all manner of
covetousness or evil desire.

724
00:45:48,200 –> 00:45:50,720
So Paula sign is still
addressing this issue of shall

725
00:45:50,720 –> 00:45:53,600
we sin that grace may aband now
shall we sin?

726
00:45:54,880 –> 00:45:58,780
Kind of interesting question.
And almost implies.

727
00:45:58,780 –> 00:46:03,580
You’re sitting back and
thinking, hey, what am I going

728
00:46:03,580 –> 00:46:07,100
to do today?
Yeah, maybe I’ll sin.

729
00:46:07,100 –> 00:46:09,900
Yeah, that’d be good.
Let’s see that that that way

730
00:46:09,900 –> 00:46:11,780
they’ll be lots of grace.
That’s even better.

731
00:46:12,500 –> 00:46:15,020
Now let’s see, how should I sin?
Johnners, do you have any

732
00:46:15,020 –> 00:46:20,020
suggestions?
OK, that that’d work good.

733
00:46:20,300 –> 00:46:21,540
You know, I think that’s we
should do.

734
00:46:21,540 –> 00:46:23,100
I think that’d be a good
activity for today.

735
00:46:23,100 –> 00:46:26,070
Let’s just sin.
You know, the question implies

736
00:46:26,150 –> 00:46:28,550
shall we sin?
That grace may abound and

737
00:46:28,550 –> 00:46:31,110
implies that there’s like this
conscious decision to sin.

738
00:46:32,430 –> 00:46:36,750
Was that how it typically works?
I mean, perhaps your son, but

739
00:46:36,750 –> 00:46:40,350
what about for the believer?
And since Paul is a believer, he

740
00:46:40,350 –> 00:46:42,750
kind of draws in his personal
experience to show how sin

741
00:46:42,750 –> 00:46:45,430
really works.
And the best way to illustrate

742
00:46:45,430 –> 00:46:47,590
how sin really works is to use
Cove justness.

743
00:46:48,710 –> 00:46:52,030
Now what makes covetousness so?
Special Now think about it for a

744
00:46:52,030 –> 00:46:54,990
second.
What makes covetousness

745
00:46:54,990 –> 00:46:56,870
different than the rest of the
10 commandments?

746
00:46:59,030 –> 00:47:00,350
I mean names of those
commandments.

747
00:47:00,350 –> 00:47:03,350
Thou shalt not steal, Thou shall
not murder.

748
00:47:04,190 –> 00:47:06,150
Thou shalt not bear false
witness.

749
00:47:06,630 –> 00:47:09,470
Thou shalt not take the name of
the Lord thy God in vain do.

750
00:47:10,310 –> 00:47:13,030
You see any differences between
this list and covetousness?

751
00:47:14,990 –> 00:47:17,430
What do you think is the most
obvious difference between the

752
00:47:17,430 –> 00:47:20,630
list of those other commandments
and covetousness?

753
00:47:24,500 –> 00:47:27,020
That’s exactly right.
Sharon Gold stars for you.

754
00:47:28,620 –> 00:47:30,340
You know the other list is all
you can.

755
00:47:30,340 –> 00:47:35,020
All It’s all external physical
acts right at stealing or.

756
00:47:35,020 –> 00:47:38,420
Adultery or murder?
Or other or or bearing false

757
00:47:38,420 –> 00:47:40,060
witness.
They’re all these external

758
00:47:40,060 –> 00:47:46,260
physical acts.
You know, we most often think of

759
00:47:46,260 –> 00:47:49,300
sin in terms of external
physical acts.

760
00:47:50,050 –> 00:47:51,330
The reason?
Probably because we’re growing

761
00:47:51,330 –> 00:47:53,930
up when we’re when we’re young,
excuse me, that’s what we’re

762
00:47:53,930 –> 00:47:56,210
punished for.
We’re punished when we hit our

763
00:47:56,210 –> 00:48:00,770
sister, I was we’re punished.
When we won’t share our toys,

764
00:48:01,170 –> 00:48:02,690
we’re punished.
When we talk back to our

765
00:48:02,690 –> 00:48:07,170
parents, see rights and wrongs,
they’re reinforced by these

766
00:48:07,170 –> 00:48:11,210
external physical acts.
But what’s flawed about that?

767
00:48:11,210 –> 00:48:14,610
You mean where does sin start?
Where does sin originate?

768
00:48:15,650 –> 00:48:18,330
And so Paul says that when the
law told him.

769
00:48:18,730 –> 00:48:23,650
You shall not covet.
It wasn’t about not doing

770
00:48:23,650 –> 00:48:27,410
something anymore.
It was all in here.

771
00:48:29,810 –> 00:48:35,650
And it killed him because he
realized that this rebelled

772
00:48:35,810 –> 00:48:39,370
against God.
This rebelled against God.

773
00:48:39,690 –> 00:48:42,250
And it wasn’t a matter of not
doing something anymore.

774
00:48:43,650 –> 00:48:45,890
It was a matter of wanting to be
like chameleon.

775
00:48:47,570 –> 00:48:51,330
Coveting what he had, and the
prestige of other rabbis, and

776
00:48:51,330 –> 00:48:54,690
the prestige of other important
people in this class, and the

777
00:48:54,690 –> 00:49:04,330
esteem of others.
Romans 7, verse 15 through 17

778
00:49:04,730 –> 00:49:07,250
for what I am doing I don’t
understand.

779
00:49:08,330 –> 00:49:10,730
For what I will to do that I do
not?

780
00:49:10,730 –> 00:49:13,530
Practice.
But what I hate that I do if

781
00:49:13,530 –> 00:49:16,370
then I do what I will not do, I
agree.

782
00:49:16,740 –> 00:49:26,220
With the law that it’s good
catch that if I will not to do.

783
00:49:29,060 –> 00:49:31,380
If I excuse me if I.
Do what I will.

784
00:49:31,380 –> 00:49:32,820
Not to do I agree with the law
is good.

785
00:49:32,820 –> 00:49:34,180
So this Paul proves the law is
good.

786
00:49:34,180 –> 00:49:35,540
Do you know how he proves the
law is good?

787
00:49:35,700 –> 00:49:37,380
He says.
Because I wanted to follow it.

788
00:49:39,100 –> 00:49:43,060
And it because I wanted to
follow it, I then admit.

789
00:49:43,180 –> 00:49:47,850
That it’s good.
And then if I don’t do it, even

790
00:49:47,850 –> 00:49:50,250
though I wanted to do it, it
must be me.

791
00:49:50,450 –> 00:49:54,250
That’s the problem, not the law.
And so he concludes.

792
00:49:54,490 –> 00:49:57,970
That he’s the problem.
The law is not the problem.

793
00:49:58,050 –> 00:50:00,570
Why is he the problem?
Because he wanted to follow the

794
00:50:00,570 –> 00:50:02,370
law, so the law must have been
good.

795
00:50:03,290 –> 00:50:06,970
And because he didn’t follow the
law, that makes him the Sinner,

796
00:50:07,650 –> 00:50:12,410
not the law.
So how could Paul of all people

797
00:50:12,410 –> 00:50:16,710
say?
How can you not be good?

798
00:50:19,230 –> 00:50:21,470
Remember when I asked you?
What’s stopping you?

799
00:50:23,550 –> 00:50:27,390
You all said that you wanted to
do good, but that something is

800
00:50:27,390 –> 00:50:37,870
getting in your way.
Here we go.

801
00:50:44,850 –> 00:50:47,890
Remember you said.
That you wanted to do good but

802
00:50:47,890 –> 00:50:49,090
something was getting in your
way.

803
00:50:49,770 –> 00:50:54,250
And Paul seizes on that natural
conflict in him and he he he

804
00:50:54,250 –> 00:50:58,530
calls the part that wants to do
good I and the part that doesn’t

805
00:50:58,530 –> 00:51:04,090
want to do good sin and that sin
dwells in Paul properly

806
00:51:04,090 –> 00:51:07,490
understood by the way these are
these verses destroy this idea

807
00:51:07,490 –> 00:51:10,730
of a personal devil.
But I digress.

808
00:51:12,090 –> 00:51:14,450
But you might want to mark that
in your mind that your Bible for

809
00:51:14,450 –> 00:51:17,450
Bible Mark and he says in in
chapter 18.

810
00:51:17,770 –> 00:51:21,330
Excuse me verse 18 of Chapter 7.
For I know the in me that is in

811
00:51:21,330 –> 00:51:25,370
my flesh nothing good dwells for
to will is present with me.

812
00:51:25,370 –> 00:51:30,050
But how to perform what is good
I don’t find for the good that I

813
00:51:30,050 –> 00:51:33,890
will to do I do not do, but the
evil that I do that I will not

814
00:51:33,890 –> 00:51:37,730
to do, that I practice now if I
do.

815
00:51:38,090 –> 00:51:40,770
What I will not to do is no
longer I who do it sin.

816
00:51:40,770 –> 00:51:43,730
It dwells in me.
And these words can be a little

817
00:51:43,730 –> 00:51:45,170
bit.
Difficult to understand, aren’t

818
00:51:45,170 –> 00:51:46,250
they?
You kind of read them and

819
00:51:46,250 –> 00:51:47,850
they’re a little bit difficult
to understand.

820
00:51:48,530 –> 00:51:51,570
But if you ever get stuck in
Romans, I think you ought to

821
00:51:51,570 –> 00:51:55,730
remember this, that that
Galatians is like an abridged

822
00:51:55,730 –> 00:51:58,290
version of Romans.
You guys ever read books in

823
00:51:58,290 –> 00:52:01,050
school and you had to write a
book report, but you never

824
00:52:01,050 –> 00:52:03,090
really wanted to read the book.
And so you read this, this

825
00:52:03,090 –> 00:52:05,250
little summary of the book We
used to call these in the in the

826
00:52:05,250 –> 00:52:07,970
States Cliff notes.
Right, And you still read the.

827
00:52:07,970 –> 00:52:09,450
Summary of the book and then
write your book.

828
00:52:09,450 –> 00:52:12,170
Report off the summary.
Right, because you’re too lazy

829
00:52:12,170 –> 00:52:14,650
to read the book.
Am I the only one who did that?

830
00:52:15,250 –> 00:52:18,090
You guys are also honest.
Wow.

831
00:52:18,570 –> 00:52:24,450
OK, well anyways, Galatians is
like the Cliff Notes version of

832
00:52:24,450 –> 00:52:27,490
Romans, and so actually can find
a lot of the same concepts in

833
00:52:27,490 –> 00:52:30,370
Galatians as you can find in
Romans and vice versa.

834
00:52:31,410 –> 00:52:36,210
And so Galatians 516 through 18
takes up the exact same.

835
00:52:36,730 –> 00:52:39,170
Idea that we just read in in
Roman Chapter 7.

836
00:52:40,050 –> 00:52:45,090
Glacius 5 says this, so I say
live by the.

837
00:52:45,090 –> 00:52:49,050
Spirit and you will not gratify
the desires of the sinful

838
00:52:49,050 –> 00:52:53,850
nature.
For the sinful nature desires

839
00:52:54,410 –> 00:52:59,490
what is contrary to the Spirit,
and the Spirit what is contrary

840
00:52:59,490 –> 00:53:00,410
to the sinful.
Nature.

841
00:53:00,690 –> 00:53:04,970
They are in conflict with each
other so that you do not do what

842
00:53:04,970 –> 00:53:08,700
you want.
But if you are led by the

843
00:53:08,700 –> 00:53:12,820
Spirit.
You are not under the law, so

844
00:53:12,820 –> 00:53:15,820
you do not do what you want.
That’s the idea.

845
00:53:16,580 –> 00:53:24,300
Very profound.
You do not do what you want in

846
00:53:24,300 –> 00:53:27,820
this light, how wise you really
think it is.

847
00:53:27,820 –> 00:53:32,220
Trust yourself when your
passions are aroused and get

848
00:53:32,220 –> 00:53:35,270
smart.
Do you think that?

849
00:53:35,310 –> 00:53:39,630
Your desires are really the
answer to your problems That

850
00:53:39,630 –> 00:53:43,030
just follow your desires more.
That’s the answer.

851
00:53:44,510 –> 00:53:47,550
Do you really think that your
willpower is going to be what

852
00:53:47,550 –> 00:53:53,270
helps you stop from sinning?
Do you think it’s self will and

853
00:53:53,270 –> 00:53:55,270
self-control are really going to
stop you from sinning?

854
00:53:56,070 –> 00:53:57,270
That you’re going to save
yourself?

855
00:54:00,630 –> 00:54:01,830
You know what’s the main
problem?

856
00:54:01,830 –> 00:54:04,750
This is really important, so if
you lost me, come back to me

857
00:54:04,750 –> 00:54:11,230
Now, what is the main problem in
relying on willpower to stop

858
00:54:11,230 –> 00:54:17,470
from sinning?
I’ll tell you what the problem

859
00:54:17,470 –> 00:54:21,790
is for me is that I can’t be
both the problem and the

860
00:54:21,790 –> 00:54:28,150
solution at the same time,
because when I need me to be the

861
00:54:28,150 –> 00:54:33,010
solution the most.
Is when I in most the problem.

862
00:54:35,610 –> 00:54:40,490
I can’t be both the problem and
the solution at the same time.

863
00:54:41,530 –> 00:54:44,490
And you know what?
You can’t either.

864
00:54:46,890 –> 00:54:48,890
You think.
You’re the answer to your

865
00:54:48,890 –> 00:54:52,490
problems, you think.
You’re the way that you’re just

866
00:54:52,490 –> 00:54:56,930
going to try harder, that if you
just try harder, you’re going to

867
00:54:56,930 –> 00:55:01,660
overcome the sin thing.
I tell you what, it’s not going

868
00:55:01,660 –> 00:55:05,740
to work, and it’s going to just
lead to depression and to

869
00:55:05,740 –> 00:55:09,220
sadness.
If you try to think that you’re

870
00:55:09,220 –> 00:55:15,300
the answer to your problem, and
maybe God asking God to help you

871
00:55:15,460 –> 00:55:18,380
be the answer to your problem,
you will fail.

872
00:55:19,860 –> 00:55:21,780
And you’ll ask again.
And you’ll fail, and you ask

873
00:55:21,780 –> 00:55:23,460
again, and you’ll fail, and you
ask again, you’ll fail.

874
00:55:23,460 –> 00:55:26,900
And eventually you get so
depressed with this failing.

875
00:55:27,140 –> 00:55:30,940
That you just stop trying.
Because you cannot be the answer

876
00:55:30,940 –> 00:55:38,420
to your problem when you are the
problem, it doesn’t not going to

877
00:55:38,420 –> 00:55:42,540
work.
What about the law?

878
00:55:44,420 –> 00:55:51,140
I think the same principle
applies when you need a law to

879
00:55:51,300 –> 00:55:54,820
be when you need the law to be a
law the most.

880
00:55:56,180 –> 00:55:58,940
It ceases to be a law that was
confusing.

881
00:56:01,460 –> 00:56:06,140
Why?
Because our desire overrules it

882
00:56:06,260 –> 00:56:08,220
and it fails in our weakness.
Do you get it?

883
00:56:08,300 –> 00:56:12,300
When I need the law to be a law,
when I need the law to be a law

884
00:56:12,380 –> 00:56:19,180
to me, When I really need it to
be a law to rule me, it’s not a

885
00:56:19,180 –> 00:56:21,220
law.
It fails to be a law.

886
00:56:21,220 –> 00:56:23,140
When I need to be a law.
Why?

887
00:56:25,620 –> 00:56:27,660
Because our desire just simply
overrules it.

888
00:56:29,090 –> 00:56:32,650
The law fails in our weakness,
not because the law was to

889
00:56:32,650 –> 00:56:40,930
blame, but because we’re sinful.
So as we conclude.

890
00:56:42,250 –> 00:56:43,570
And I left you there, by the
way.

891
00:56:43,970 –> 00:56:45,610
So if you’re not the answer to
your problem, what is?

892
00:56:45,610 –> 00:56:47,570
We’re going to have to wait till
tomorrow to get into that,

893
00:56:48,050 –> 00:56:49,010
right?
Probably.

894
00:56:49,010 –> 00:56:50,290
Want to know what the answer is,
don’t you?

895
00:56:53,770 –> 00:56:55,370
Well, that’s what chapter
eight’s for, by the way.

896
00:56:56,090 –> 00:56:58,050
And Paul doesn’t end his
argument Chapter 7 either.

897
00:56:59,930 –> 00:57:02,610
So as we conclude, let’s read
through the last three verses of

898
00:57:02,610 –> 00:57:03,690
Chapter 7.
This gained a little

899
00:57:03,690 –> 00:57:06,650
expectation.
Romans Chapter 7 versus 21.

900
00:57:06,770 –> 00:57:11,090
Last four verses 21 through 25 I
find in a law that evil is

901
00:57:11,090 –> 00:57:16,490
present with me, the one who.
Wills to do good for I delight.

902
00:57:16,490 –> 00:57:18,530
In the law of God according to
the inward man.

903
00:57:18,730 –> 00:57:20,370
But I see another law in my
members.

904
00:57:20,370 –> 00:57:23,410
Worrying is the law of my mind,
and bringing me in the captivity

905
00:57:23,650 –> 00:57:25,970
to the law of sin, which is my
members.

906
00:57:26,560 –> 00:57:30,680
Oh wretched man that I am who
will deliver me from this body

907
00:57:30,680 –> 00:57:35,560
of death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ

908
00:57:35,560 –> 00:57:39,440
our Lord.
So then, with my mind I serve

909
00:57:39,440 –> 00:57:41,840
the law of God with my flesh,
the law of sin.

910
00:57:43,120 –> 00:57:47,640
Oh, wretched man that I am.
Can you read those words

911
00:57:47,640 –> 00:57:50,600
dramatically enough?
Can we read them with a sweat

912
00:57:50,600 –> 00:57:54,080
and the tears of the the years
of toil trying to overcome sin?

913
00:57:54,200 –> 00:57:57,240
I mean, how long have you really
tried to go without sinning?

914
00:57:57,760 –> 00:58:00,320
How long have you really tried?
Have you ever tried?

915
00:58:00,920 –> 00:58:06,960
Have you said I’m not going to
sin, I’m not going to covet, I’m

916
00:58:06,960 –> 00:58:09,440
going to love my neighbor, I’m
going to love God.

917
00:58:09,440 –> 00:58:13,280
I’m going to put in first.
How long have you really tried

918
00:58:13,280 –> 00:58:17,390
to go without sinning?
Because if you tried, and you

919
00:58:17,390 –> 00:58:21,070
failed, and you failed, and you
failed and you failed like Paul

920
00:58:21,070 –> 00:58:27,990
has, then you say I’m a Wretch.
You understand that Chapter 8

921
00:58:27,990 –> 00:58:30,390
doesn’t work until you realize
you’re a Wretch.

922
00:58:31,950 –> 00:58:36,030
Chapter 8 doesn’t work.
Chapter 8 works when you’ve

923
00:58:36,030 –> 00:58:38,750
concluded with Paul that you’re
in the same position Paul was,

924
00:58:38,790 –> 00:58:42,230
and this is Paul the apostle who
concludes this.

925
00:58:42,980 –> 00:58:45,780
Imagine a man who who could, who
could boast and works.

926
00:58:45,780 –> 00:58:48,700
It would be the apostle Paul.
And Paul has.

927
00:58:48,700 –> 00:58:55,620
Concluded that he’s a rich, and
I wonder if the reason we don’t

928
00:58:55,620 –> 00:58:57,780
think that is because we don’t
really try not to sin.

929
00:59:01,100 –> 00:59:04,140
We’re kind of OK with sin.
Or a little bit OK with it.

930
00:59:05,180 –> 00:59:11,300
You know, I really can’t stop
this thing that I struggle with.

931
00:59:12,150 –> 00:59:15,310
So rather than stop it, I’m just
going to stop feeling guilty

932
00:59:15,310 –> 00:59:19,630
about it.
Maybe we’ve reached that

933
00:59:19,630 –> 00:59:24,830
conclusion.
Sad conclusion to reach.

934
00:59:33,730 –> 00:59:36,490
Paul was ready to understand how
desperately he needed Christ,

935
00:59:36,650 –> 00:59:39,890
because he understood that the
very thing that made him a

936
00:59:39,890 –> 00:59:42,210
Wretch is exactly what Christ
overcame.

937
00:59:42,210 –> 00:59:46,850
You know.
This is why when Jesus

938
00:59:46,850 –> 00:59:58,100
sacrificed himself on the cross.
You didn’t just endure pain or

939
00:59:58,100 –> 01:00:15,060
hunger or exhaustion or thirst
or ridicule or humiliation, even

940
01:00:15,060 –> 01:00:20,420
rejection, you know, when you
look at Cross Christ on the

941
01:00:20,420 –> 01:00:23,410
cross.
We think of the cross as being

942
01:00:23,410 –> 01:00:25,170
this brutally painful thing,
don’t we?

943
01:00:25,210 –> 01:00:29,610
Just brutally painful, right.
And having our our nails, you

944
01:00:29,610 –> 01:00:32,690
know, pounded into the to that
palms of our hands, you know.

945
01:00:32,690 –> 01:00:35,610
And we just think about how
painful that would be.

946
01:00:36,410 –> 01:00:40,170
But tell me, tell me young
people how much text is the

947
01:00:40,170 –> 01:00:44,370
Bible actually give to the to
the to the fact of crucifying

948
01:00:44,450 –> 01:00:49,170
Jesus.
I’ll tell you Matthew 2735 then

949
01:00:49,170 –> 01:00:53,940
they crucified him.
And it gives us exactly 4 words.

950
01:00:56,820 –> 01:01:00,980
I’m trying to say it wasn’t
painful, but how much?

951
01:01:00,980 –> 01:01:05,940
Text the gospel writers focus on
the insults, on the emotional

952
01:01:05,940 –> 01:01:11,020
abuse, on humiliation, on the
rejection, on the slander that

953
01:01:11,020 –> 01:01:18,020
he endured quite a bit more.
Matthew 27, verse 39 we read.

954
01:01:18,430 –> 01:01:21,430
And those who passed by
blasphemed him, wagging their

955
01:01:21,430 –> 01:01:25,510
heads and saying, You destroy
the temple and build in three

956
01:01:25,510 –> 01:01:30,110
days, save yourself, you’re the
Son of God, come down from the

957
01:01:30,110 –> 01:01:33,750
cross.
Likewise the chief priest also

958
01:01:33,750 –> 01:01:36,750
mocking with the scribes.
And the elders.

959
01:01:36,750 –> 01:01:39,630
Said he saved.
Others himself he cannot.

960
01:01:39,630 –> 01:01:42,710
Save He’s the king of Israel.
Let him come down from the cross

961
01:01:42,710 –> 01:01:46,470
now we will believe him.
He trusted in God.

962
01:01:47,070 –> 01:01:51,030
What if God deliver?
Him now God will have him for he

963
01:01:51,030 –> 01:01:52,470
said.
I’m the Son of God.

964
01:01:53,470 –> 01:01:58,070
The thieves also, which are
crucified with him, cast him in

965
01:01:58,070 –> 01:02:09,610
his teeth.
What do you have?

966
01:02:09,610 –> 01:02:13,850
Victory over?
Did you have victory over pain.

967
01:02:15,770 –> 01:02:20,450
Victory over pain Alone.
Did he not have victory over

968
01:02:20,450 –> 01:02:24,610
humiliation?
Did he not have victory over

969
01:02:24,610 –> 01:02:30,650
thirst over hunger?
Did he not have victory over

970
01:02:30,650 –> 01:02:38,250
rejection and humiliation?
Did not he have complete victory

971
01:02:38,250 –> 01:02:47,890
over self, the ultimate victory
over self over the flesh?

972
01:02:49,170 –> 01:02:54,970
Everything that He accomplished,
everything he accomplished, was

973
01:02:54,970 –> 01:02:57,010
in complete opposition to his
nature.

974
01:02:58,530 –> 01:03:02,050
He overcame passions so
poignantly expressed in this

975
01:03:02,050 –> 01:03:13,250
verse, for it became Him for
whom are all things and by whom

976
01:03:13,970 –> 01:03:17,800
are all things.
In bringing many sons Agori to

977
01:03:17,800 –> 01:03:22,040
make the captain of their
salvation perfect through

978
01:03:22,040 –> 01:03:27,640
suffering.
That says suffering promise you.

979
01:03:30,320 –> 01:03:34,800
But you know what?
That word suffering is the exact

980
01:03:34,800 –> 01:03:42,280
same word, passion.
It’s the exact same word passion

981
01:03:42,280 –> 01:03:47,290
from Roman 7.
He was made perfect through

982
01:03:47,290 –> 01:03:51,050
passion.
By yielding to the Passion.

983
01:03:52,890 –> 01:04:02,850
No, by yielding it to God.
We all have the same thing

984
01:04:02,850 –> 01:04:04,330
inside us.
You get it?

985
01:04:04,770 –> 01:04:06,810
We all have the same thing
inside us.

986
01:04:08,290 –> 01:04:10,530
You know, Jesus did not want to
die.

987
01:04:10,530 –> 01:04:16,300
He did not want to die.
And that is what gave his death

988
01:04:16,300 –> 01:04:20,580
meaning.
He suffered, he said, Oh

989
01:04:20,580 –> 01:04:26,500
wretched man that I am who will
deliver me from this body of

990
01:04:26,500 –> 01:04:36,680
death, I thank God through Jesus
Christ our Lord, Paul says.

991
01:04:39,400 –> 01:04:45,440
So the young people, that’s what
Christ took to the cross.

992
01:04:46,780 –> 01:04:52,660
And that’s what he crucified.
So what I’m asking you to do is

993
01:04:52,660 –> 01:04:56,420
a very difficult thing.
What I’m actually asking you to

994
01:04:56,420 –> 01:05:00,020
do is I’m actually asking you to
consider yourself a Wretch

995
01:05:01,580 –> 01:05:04,060
because that is where Paul
leaves us at the end of Chapter

996
01:05:04,060 –> 01:05:08,700
7.
If I’ve got not gotten that idea

997
01:05:08,700 –> 01:05:11,140
across and these first two
classes and I have failed.

998
01:05:12,860 –> 01:05:15,140
Because that is the point to
which Paul has led us.

999
01:05:15,140 –> 01:05:19,500
Before we begin Chapter 8,
before we begin that word,

1000
01:05:20,700 –> 01:05:24,060
thanks.
Before that word, thanks.

1001
01:05:25,140 –> 01:05:30,180
That’s where we’re left.
I know that’s a difficult thing

1002
01:05:30,180 –> 01:05:32,460
to get across.
I know that you’re young.

1003
01:05:33,140 –> 01:05:35,900
I know that every year you gain
more strength and you gain more

1004
01:05:35,900 –> 01:05:40,110
energy and become older and.
You know, your flesh doesn’t

1005
01:05:40,110 –> 01:05:41,950
seem like it’s weakening.
It doesn’t seem like it’s weak

1006
01:05:41,950 –> 01:05:42,790
at all.
It just seems like it’s

1007
01:05:42,790 –> 01:05:45,750
strengthening.
And maybe when you get to be a

1008
01:05:45,750 –> 01:05:48,630
little bit older, I mean, I feel
like I’m on the other side of

1009
01:05:48,630 –> 01:05:48,990
it.
I don’t.

1010
01:05:48,990 –> 01:05:50,430
I feel like every year I feel a
little bit older.

1011
01:05:50,430 –> 01:05:52,630
I don’t feel better.
So maybe it’s a little more

1012
01:05:52,630 –> 01:05:56,590
obvious for me.
I know it’s a very hard thing to

1013
01:05:56,590 –> 01:06:00,870
understand at this point if I
implore you to understand it.

1014
01:06:02,230 –> 01:06:04,230
Because if you understand it,
you can make incredible

1015
01:06:04,230 –> 01:06:08,150
decisions.
You can make incredible choices.

1016
01:06:11,770 –> 01:06:15,810
You can be thankful, You can
show true gratitude.

1017
01:06:15,810 –> 01:06:20,970
You can really say thanks be to
God through Jesus Christ our

1018
01:06:20,970 –> 01:06:27,650
Lord.
So we thank Christ for his

1019
01:06:27,650 –> 01:06:33,930
example, for it’s in Christ’s
likeness, actually, that we’re

1020
01:06:33,930 –> 01:06:39,180
saved, young people.
Galatians chapter 5, verse 24.

1021
01:06:41,300 –> 01:06:47,860
And those who are Christ’s have
crucified the flesh with its

1022
01:06:47,860 –> 01:06:58,220
passion and with this desires.
So tomorrow we’ll consider then

1023
01:07:00,380 –> 01:07:04,300
if we get to this point, we get
to the point where we’re

1024
01:07:04,300 –> 01:07:10,170
actually willing to do this.
The amazing blessings we have in

1025
01:07:10,250 –> 01:07:29,850
Jesus.
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1026
01:07:29,850 –> 01:07:31,610
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01:07:32,370 –> 01:07:34,290
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