380: Jared Schipper – Life’s Hard Lessons

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Howdy.

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This week’s class is entitled
Learning Life’s Hard Lessons,

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delivered by Brother Jared
Shipper from his series about

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Judah given at the Sydney CYC in
2025.

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Right off the bat, this is a
class that you want to listen to

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the whole thing, and ideally in
one sitting.

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The reason being is that Brother
Jared provides a very good

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exposition and walkthrough of
Genesis 38, providing in little

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Nuggets of exhortation here and
there, but it all culminates in

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a super powerful and emotional
full circle between Judah, his

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father Jacob, and the rest of
the family of Israel.

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A concept you may pick up on in
this class is that of irony.

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Brother Jared points out that
almost everything that happens

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to Judah when he’s away from
home is so sadly ironic when

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comparing what happened in
Genesis 37.

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And it can’t help but cause an
appreciation for how God employs

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irony in all our lives as a
mechanism to humble and shape

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us.
Which is something that I had at

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least never thought of before,
that God would use something so

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conceptual to really ’cause us
to think about our actions.

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The entire Five Class series
will be on the extended podcast,

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and we’d recommend giving them a
listen, especially if you’re

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someone that struggles with
God’s forgiveness.

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We all feel horrible over the
things that we’ve done, and it

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may feel that there’s no way God
could forgive us.

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But seeing the fall and rise of
Judah, seeing the heart of stone

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made the heart of flesh, gives
all of us confidence that there

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truly is nothing, no sin we
could commit that will separate

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us from the love of God, which
is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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So here is Brother Jared Shipper
learning life’s hard lessons.

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All right, awkward chapter.
Sorry, more of the awkwardness.

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I apologise again, but it’s
real.

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It’s God’s family, and there’s
some real stuff in this that we

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need to think about.
We came to this point where

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Judah feels like he’s got to
leave the family home.

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And I want you to think for a
second what drove Judah to that

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point, how he felt when he’s
leaving the family home, because

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no doubt Judah thought he was
being big, brave, bold, coming

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out on his own, not hanging
around with that stupid family

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that keep moaning about the past
and all the dumb things that are

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going on.
Bitterness, usual resentment

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that builds up.
And that’s the perspective.

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So he’s going out to find
himself.

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He’s going out on a journey in
life to explore who he is.

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Can you, can you feel that?
Do you hear people talk like

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that?
If you hear people say that

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today, they’re going out to find
who they are.

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They’re going on some journey of
self discovery.

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They’re going to find themselves
out there in the world.

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And so they pack up their little
bag of bitterness and they go

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out there looking for themselves
somewhere out in the world.

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And guess what?
They find themselves out there

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in the world because there’s
lots of people out there in the

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world that have that same bag of
bitterness and they can share

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their bitterness and have a
little bitterness party.

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It doesn’t fix the problems.
And that’s what we’re going to

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see in this chapter, is that all
these motives and resentment

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that built up in Judah’s life
was actually not making him

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think straight.
It was actually making him make

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dumb decisions.
That’s what was driving him.

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So he’s going to go out there
just like the prodigal son, but

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eventually he’s going to find
himself back in his father’s

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house because it’s just the best
place.

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That’s the ecclesia, that’s the
youth group.

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It’s just the best place to be.
And hopefully you’ll come to see

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that too in your life as you
realize just how much we have

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here.
Such a cool group of people to

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go and spend a long weekend
with.

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Just think about the people at
work, uni, what are they doing

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this weekend?
They might be doing something

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exciting on their own or with a
couple of friends.

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You got like 250 other people,
good experiences.

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We have so much, but Judy’s
going to play the victim card.

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Let’s read carefully.
We’re going to spend our whole

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time this study in one chapter.
That’s good.

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Be a bit easier to work through
the story.

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So let’s have a read of chapter
38, the first few verses, grab a

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pencil because there’s that
little phrase at that time.

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What time?
Oh, the time, you know, where

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all that stuff happened to
Joseph, Complete contrast,

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complete opposite.
And you don’t appreciate Joseph

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without understanding where
Judah’s going because at that

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time, Judah left his brothers
and he turned into an adulimite

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man whose name was Hira.
And Judah saw there.

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Oh, I missed a few things I
meant to talk about.

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Sorry.
You have this graphic here which

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positions Judah at being in now
in his late 20s.

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So he’s made some dumb decisions
in his late 20s.

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You may not be at that point
yet, but it’s important for you

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to think about the decisions
you’re making now and the way

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you’re perceiving what’s
happening in your family now and

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the way you’re framing your
understanding and the way you’re

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choosing to look at life because
that’s what’s happened in

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Judah’s life.
He’s a grown man by the time

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Joseph comes along, and all this
resentment starts to build over

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time.
But he’s now going out in his

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early adult years to form his
own life.

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So let’s read again this.
Well, we read verse one, verse

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2.
Judah saw the daughter of a

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Canaanite man named Shua.
Judah acquired her as a wife and

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had marital relations with her.
I’m reading from the NET by the

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way.
She became pregnant and had a

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son.
Judah named him, ER, she became

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pregnant again, had another son,
and she called him Onan.

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Then she had yet another son,
whom she named Sheila, and she

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gave birth to him while Judah
was in key.

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Zip.
All right, What do you make of

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that?
You’d probably read that and go,

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yeah, well, that’s just a story.
There’s some really weird things

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in those verses.
There’s some hidden names.

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There’s some names that we’re
told that we don’t need to know.

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That’s really weird.
Read carefully.

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What is in those first 5 verses?
Ask yourself the question, What

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am I told that I don’t need to
know?

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And what am I not told that I
probably should know?

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I’ll give you a hint.
What was Judah’s wife’s name?

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Oh, we don’t know.
Some translations actually get

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it wrong.
So if you are seeing that where

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it says that her name was sure,
that is not her name.

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We can find that out later by
looking in one of the later

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verses.
It’s not her name.

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Let me highlight it to you this
way.

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It came to pass at that time
that Judah went down from his

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brethren and he got distracted
or turned into a certain a

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Dulomite.
Oh, whose name was and it means

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a noble family.
Let’s keep going.

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I’ll explain this thing.
Judas saw there a no name of a

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certain Canaanite whose name was
and it means wealth.

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And he took her and went into
her and she had a child.

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Now let’s just deal with verse
one and two because it gets too

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far down.
It came to past.

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The Judah went down and he
turned to a certain Adalamite.

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Why are we told that phrase a
certain Adalamite?

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Why is where he comes from more
important than his actual name?

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His name is Hara.
A dullam means justice, and he’s

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from a noble family.
We’ll just think about the irony

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of this and we’re going to see
this chapter is full of irony,

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and that’s the way God works.
We’re going to look at that at

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the end.
All right?

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I just want you to see this
irony.

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Judah goes away because he’s
running away from his special

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family, chosen family that’s
been given privilege and

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blessings by God, and he joins
another noble family.

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Why?
I’m going to suggest to you

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because he wants a bit of
justice in your life because he

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thinks he’s totally unfairly
treated at his house and it’s

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not fair.
So I’m going somewhere else.

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And I think that’s why we’re
given these details.

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Judas sees there a woman, I’m
not even told her name of a

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certain Canaanite whose name was
Shua, which means wealthy, and

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he took her and went in done to
her.

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Let’s break down that verse.
What motivated Judah to sell his

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brother money.
This man sounds like he has

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money, doesn’t even know the
name of the girl, not even told.

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We told Tamer’s name later, so
it’s not as though we can’t know

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the names of the females.
Well, we told her name because

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the focus is that Judas saw and
he took and he went into her.

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Do you hear a bell ringing in
the back of your mind of hearing

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that language before?
Who looked at something, saw it,

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took it and acted on it.
Don’t be scared.

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There’s only 200 people in the
audience.

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It’s OK.
Shout out, Eve.

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Wonderful.
Thank you.

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Aiken.
Awesome.

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This is really good.
I should ask my questions.

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Who else?
David and Bathsheba.

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Excellent.
Maybe you guys have done a study

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on this.
Do people know this story

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already?
That’s awesome.

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If sore she took.
She hates.

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There’s the principle.
Looked and thought looks good.

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Gina looked at her.
Thought looks hot.

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Took her.
Guess what?

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That’s exactly the same process
as what Shechem did with Dinah,

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and he got angry.
He did it, he repeated it, same

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process, and we’re going to see
these things come out in his

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life.
It’s only highlighted by the

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fact that her name doesn’t even
matter in the whole chapter.

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What matters is he wants to be
associated with another special

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family that has wealth.
Now, you’re not think I’m making

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too much of it.
Just remember, what was the

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whole point of chapter 29 and
chapter 30 in the way that his

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family was introduced?
It was all about the meaning of

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names, right?
And we’re told it was.

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The Bible tells us, look at the
meaning of these names.

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So when we come to this chapter,
we’ve got to do the same thing

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because it’s still Genesis, same
story.

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All right, am I reading too
much?

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Let’s have a look at verse 3,
verse four and five.

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She no name conceived and bear a
son And oh, he called his first

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born son, first born son’s name.
Uh, Judah was, Oh, you assume he

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was there because he named the
child, which is different to the

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way he was born because mum
named him dad.

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Didn’t Jacob only named one boy?
You know, of all twelve of his

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sons, she nameless names her
son.

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Sorry.
Uh, she conceived again and bear

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a son and oh, she calls him this
time Sheila.

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What does that mean to us?
Well, what should we take away

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from that?
Let’s hold on that verse 5.

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She has another child and bear a
son, and she calls his name

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Sheila.
And Judah was in Kizib, or a

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place that means denial and lies
when she gave birth.

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Oh, so Judah’s too busy living a
life of denial, lying about what

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he’s really up to, to be at his
third son’s birth.

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Can you see a downward spiral
going on here?

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He was there for the beginning,
all excited, and called him that

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means awake.
Let’s put in today’s language.

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I’m living, I’m enjoying life, I
can do my own thing now because

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he’s just gone free from the
family and he’s got his first

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boy now and he’s living life the
way he wants to live it.

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I’ve forgotten what Sheila is.
I’m coming to check mental blank

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and I can’t see it.
Sheila’s an interesting name,

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but not quite as strong.
The last one is Sheila.

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Why does she call his name
Sheila?

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It’s just like his mum was full
of bitterness, wanting

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attention.
She calls his name Sheila, which

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I’m checking because I’m just
having a mental blank sorry this

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morning.
Sheila means request requesting.

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What do you think?
A woman who has no name, was

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important, became less
important, and is so unimportant

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that she’s bearing her son as
Judah’s off, doing his own

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thing.
Busy, maybe business, maybe

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whatever.
We’ll talk about that later.

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What do you think she’s
requesting?

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Bit the same as Leah.
Bit of time, attention,

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appreciation, validation.
That’s just the first 5 verses

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of this story of Judah living
the way Judah wants to live.

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What’s he doing?
He’s repeating his dad’s

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mistakes.
He’s repeating history.

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Dad was never around for Judah.
Too busy out there with the

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sheep.
And so we see here the same

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story.
We’re seeing a repeat of the

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reality of the way he grew up
and consequences.

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Well, the way we’re brought up
has consequences on us.

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It has an impact on us.
And we have to think about that.

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Let’s look at the way Judah’s
bringing up his children.

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We’ll have a look at verse 6-7
and eight.

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What are we told?
Judah required a wife for, ER,

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his first born.
Her name’s Tamar.

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But ER, Judah’s first born was
so evil in the Lord’s sight that

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God actually had to step in and
kill him.

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That’s how bad he was.
In fact, no, the next one went

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down the same process.
He was asked to man up and be

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responsible for life, and God
killed him too.

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Just grasp that.
Two sons that are so bad that

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God has to abruptly intervene in
the situation and kill them.

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That’s wow on the scale of God
doesn’t interrupt very often.

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We’re talking Coradathan and
Byram kind of stuff.

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God kills those two boys.
Do we see any evidence of Judah

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trying to teach them about the
godly life of the promises that

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were given to Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob?

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I’m not seeing anything in this
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All right, verse 11.
The reality is Judah is so blind

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to the reality of his son’s evil
that he blames this poor woman,

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Tamar, and makes her the
scapegoat as if she’s jinxed and

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she’s the problem why the boys
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That’s where this man’s at.
He can’t look honestly at the

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situation to make an honest
decision knowing that God works

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in his life.
Those boys are so focused on

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everything that Judah has taught
them about living life the way

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they want to live life, that
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How do we know that?
We’re actually told what, uh

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does wrong.
We’re told what Sheila does.

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We’re told the way he behaves.
All right.

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All he was focused on was self
gratification and completely

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unwilling to give us stuff about
anyone else but himself.

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He wasn’t willing to give his
brother a family, but he’d take

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advantage of her.
Not once, not twice.

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It says whenever he went into
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Where did these boys learn that
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We could continue on with the
story, but I don’t want to get

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into too much detail about it.
If we were to flick down then to

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verse 12 and 13, we see that
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Suddenly she’s off the scenes.
This is the person that he did

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actually at some point love.
Does he distract himself in

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verse 12 with business?
Is that what he’s doing?

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Verse 12 says after some time.
Judah’s After some time, Judah’s

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wife, the daughter of Shua,
died.

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See how we get the emphasis on
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After Judah was consoled, he
left for Timnath to visit his

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ship Shearer.
So he went and made himself busy

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with work along with his friend
of his higher of the Dalamite.

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He’s one of those friends
that’ll do anything.

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Got no shame.
Just you know, we’ll do whatever

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you ask him to do.
There’s people like that out

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there that facilitate bad
decisions in our life.

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Don’t be fooled by them, they’re
not actually good friends.

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It’s interesting that Hara isn’t
a part of Judah’s life later.

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He’s only there when Judah needs
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Just an interesting detail of
this chapter.

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It’s interesting that Tamar was
told that Judah, her

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father-in-law, is going to
Tinnath to shear the sheep.

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Why would she care?
Well, she cares because in

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verses 8 or 9 and 10 she’s been
promised that she would have.

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Oh sorry, verse 11 Judah has
promised his daughter-in-law,

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Tamar, that she can have Sheila
when he grows up.

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Now, when you read the story,
you can only assume that there

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wasn’t that long a gap because
that’s quite quick in the way

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we’re told.
So you can assume that that

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story didn’t buy Judah too much
time to say that Tamar could

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have Sheila when he grows up.
And in verse 8, we’re told his

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real motive, not that he
actually said it.

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He thought he was planning.
He was thinking, heck, I don’t

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want my third son to hang around
with her.

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So Tamar goes back to picture
this, her father’s house and

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lives there like a widow.
Why did she stay in Judah’s

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house?
If Judah’s going to provide for

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her and she’s going to remain
connected with Judah’s family as

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she does for the rest of the
book of Genesis, why does Judah

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send the home?
Clearly doesn’t want to have a

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bar of her.
He’s got no time for her, just

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like his son had no time for her
either.

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You see the way they were
behaving, we can go into more

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detail, but it’s simply a
careless for anybody else, a

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self fulfilling, self satisfying
behaviour.

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All right, verse 13 Tamas told,
Look, your father in law’s going

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to Timnah to shear his sheep.
So she removed her widow

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clothes, which is the way she’s
been living faithfully, and she

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covers herself with a veil,
which makes her look like the

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prostitute that she’s going to
play.

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That’s not a normal behaviour.
She wraps herself in that veil

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and she sat in an open path at
the entrance to and I am maybe

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your translation says, but
basically what it says is she

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sat in an open way on the way to
Timnath.

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So she sat in a place that she
knew that Judah would pass

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through.
She did this, we’re told,

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because she saw that she had not
been given Sheila as a wife,

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even though he’s now grown up.
Think about that story.

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Think about what we’re not told
in that story.

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What makes a woman who’s gone to
live in her father’s house as a

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widow and faithfully doing that,
waiting for the next son to grow

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up?
What makes her change all of her

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clothes and all of her behaviour
and go and sits in an open way

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that Judah’s going to pass
through as he goes up to his

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destination?
The fact is, she knows Judah’s

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personality.
She knows the way Judah behaves

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in the dark.
Judah has a reputation because

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she knows that all she has to do
is sit in an open place and

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Judah will pick her up.
She doesn’t have to harass him,

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she doesn’t have to chase him.
She just knows if I sit in an

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open path, Judah will find me
and he’ll take me in.

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She’s that confident.
This is not her way of life.

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After this event, she goes
straight back home, changes back

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into her widow clothes.
That’s her behaviour, that’s

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her.
She’s a truthful person, but

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she’s so clear in her
understanding of the type of man

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that Judah is and the reputation
that he’s created.

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It’s like 99% confident that
Judah will do what Judah does.

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That’s quite a reputation.
And it was somebody else that

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told her that’s what her dad’s
doing or her father in law’s

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doing.
So you wonder what they thought

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too.
Are we filling out the picture?

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Are you getting an idea of what
Judah’s known for, what his

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personality is, what his
reputation is, and what he’s

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getting up to?
All right, verse 16 then.

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Well, verse 15, Judah saw her.
He just made the assumption that

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she was a prostitute because she
covered her face.

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So verse 16, he turned aside to
her along the road and said, I

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want to come in to you because
he had no idea that she was his

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daughter-in-law.
I’ll put it up here on the

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screen.
Her response is, what will you

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give me?
That’s incredibly ironic when

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you think about it, because if
only Judah had given her what

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Judah should have given her, the
whole problem would have gone

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away.
If Judah had given her the son

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that he’d promised to her, she
would have been happy and this

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event wouldn’t have happened.
You see that?

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And he says, ah, I’ll send you a
young goat from the flock.

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And she says, no, I want a down
payment.

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I want proof because I don’t
trust you.

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Give me a pledge.
Prove it.

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Prove it that you’re a
trustworthy person.

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Because clearly he wasn’t a
trustworthy person that she had

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to demand a pledge from him.
And he’s good with that because

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he knows what that means,
because he’s used to it.

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He says, all right, what sort of
pledge do you want?

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I don’t care.
That’s life, She replies and

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says, I want your seal.
I want your cord and the staff

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in your hand, and we might
understand that.

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So it’s saying I want your ring,
I want your mobile phone and I

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want your wallet.
That means that Tamer now owns

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Judah’s identity.
Just think about that.

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You can identify a person by
their phone, by their wallets,

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or as they used a seal in those
days, or a ring.

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She owns his personality, his
identity.

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He’s happy to give it.
I want you to take particular

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notice of this word pledge.
She asks for a pledge and he’s

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quite happy to give a pledge.
This is a man who’s quite happy

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to sell his identity to a
prostitute.

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And that’s where he’s at in a
couple of chapters time, he’s

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going to give a pledge to his
dad for completely the opposite

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thing.
He’s going to pledge his dad his

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life for his brother’s life.
And that’s the shift that we’re

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going to see.
But that’s the irony of this

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story.
You know, The funny thing is, as

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people, when we make dumb
decisions in life, we don’t

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realize how dumb the decisions
are.

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Everyone around us can see us
and we’re getting a reputation,

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but we’re so obsessed because of
our bitterness with the

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decisions that we’re making.
We can’t see the fool that we’re

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making of ourselves.
Just remember that if you go

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through a phase of wanting to
make some dumb decisions, listen

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when your friends say things to
you because you probably don’t

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realize the way you’re being
perceived and seen and

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understood.
Well, that’s where Jude is at.

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He has these reputation and he’s
willing to barter his identity

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for a one night stand.
There’s no commitment to this

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man, but heck, it’s going to
change in a matter of a couple

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of chapters.
How?

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Why?
What is it that changes Judah?

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And that’s what I want you to
really get your head around from

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this study is that what God
changes in Judah is what the

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same thing that he does in your
life and my life.

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And he brings ironic situations
to bring the reality of our

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decisions back on ourselves.
And if we’re honest with

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ourselves, we see the way he’s
working.

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Have a look at it.
Judah has a level of conscience.

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He always does, always has,
right?

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He was a little bit
uncomfortable with killing his

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brother.
Let’s just tell him it’s not.

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I don’t get bottom of fingers,
right?

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Judah says to his daughter
Tamar, grow up in your father’s

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00:30:23,680 –> 00:30:28,080
house because he thought he
didn’t want Sheila to die like

432
00:30:28,080 –> 00:30:32,240
his brothers.
Sorry, that was actually for

433
00:30:32,240 –> 00:30:33,520
something different.
Verse 23.

434
00:30:33,520 –> 00:30:34,560
I was meant to make a different
point.

435
00:30:34,560 –> 00:30:37,560
We’re running out of time.
Verse 23, Judah said.

436
00:30:37,600 –> 00:30:42,560
Let her keep these things for
herself, otherwise we’ll appear

437
00:30:42,560 –> 00:30:44,840
to be dishonest.
What does that show us?

438
00:30:44,840 –> 00:30:47,360
Shows us a man who’s more
worried about the way he

439
00:30:47,360 –> 00:30:51,840
appears, the way he thinks he
appears, than the facts are that

440
00:30:51,840 –> 00:30:55,040
he does or doesn’t get the goat
back to Tamar.

441
00:30:56,920 –> 00:30:58,200
But I want you to appreciate
this.

442
00:30:58,200 –> 00:31:05,840
In verse 24, after three months,
Judah was told, Now if you ever

443
00:31:05,840 –> 00:31:09,240
do a study of Jacob, just take
notice of how many things Jacob

444
00:31:09,240 –> 00:31:13,520
is told but doesn’t hear about.
It’s things like Reuben taking

445
00:31:13,520 –> 00:31:15,840
advantage of Bill Hart.
It’s like what happened to

446
00:31:15,840 –> 00:31:18,240
Dinah.
It’s like his family of Laban

447
00:31:18,240 –> 00:31:21,840
who hates him and he’s told they
had Jacob hears lots of things,

448
00:31:21,840 –> 00:31:24,280
never sees it.
And this is what’s happening to

449
00:31:24,280 –> 00:31:27,000
Judah.
Judah hears, he’s told that your

450
00:31:27,000 –> 00:31:30,680
daughter-in-law, Tamar, has
become a prostitute and as a

451
00:31:30,680 –> 00:31:32,640
result, she’s now pregnant.
And what does Judah do?

452
00:31:33,280 –> 00:31:37,320
The other hypocrite just says,
well, bring her out, let her be

453
00:31:37,320 –> 00:31:40,600
burnt.
How hypocritical is that?

454
00:31:41,880 –> 00:31:46,360
He’s the other half of that, but
he’s calling for her to be

455
00:31:46,360 –> 00:31:49,400
brought out and burnt.
Did he even ask a question?

456
00:31:50,920 –> 00:31:55,640
Did he give her a trial, a fair,
open opportunity to say how she

457
00:31:55,640 –> 00:31:58,040
got to this situation?
Nothing.

458
00:31:59,120 –> 00:32:02,280
Why?
Because Judy’s looking at the

459
00:32:02,280 –> 00:32:07,240
situation going good, I’m done.
I never wanted her to marry

460
00:32:07,240 –> 00:32:09,840
Sheila anyway.
I want her out of my life.

461
00:32:10,920 –> 00:32:12,720
So if I can burn her for this,
great.

462
00:32:15,800 –> 00:32:17,720
Nothing’s changed in this man so
far, has it?

463
00:32:18,840 –> 00:32:22,440
But see how these things are all
coming together and they’re

464
00:32:22,440 –> 00:32:26,480
coming to 1 enormous climactic
moment in his life.

465
00:32:26,760 –> 00:32:29,280
He’s told her to go back and
live in your father’s house, but

466
00:32:29,280 –> 00:32:33,240
he’s the one that can call the
shots and say bring her out of

467
00:32:33,440 –> 00:32:36,680
her father’s house and we’re
going to burn it.

468
00:32:38,520 –> 00:32:41,680
It was a priest’s daughter that
would be burnt, was the custom

469
00:32:41,680 –> 00:32:44,680
at the time.
So he thinks that he’s a

470
00:32:44,680 –> 00:32:49,360
priestly family because he’s
associated with a noble family.

471
00:32:49,480 –> 00:32:54,600
Remember, Dom Harm, not Jacob
where he should be.

472
00:32:54,640 –> 00:32:57,400
There’s again the irony.
He brings her out and says,

473
00:32:57,400 –> 00:33:00,480
let’s burn it.
Now I want you to think about

474
00:33:00,480 –> 00:33:03,520
this situation, just really
grasp what this moment would

475
00:33:03,520 –> 00:33:07,880
have been like.
You imagine everyone’s gathered

476
00:33:07,880 –> 00:33:11,640
around and there’s Jacob’s
family here, there’s Tamar’s

477
00:33:11,640 –> 00:33:15,720
family here, and there’s the
locals from the town.

478
00:33:16,760 –> 00:33:19,760
I can prove they’re all there,
but just believe me, there’s a

479
00:33:19,760 –> 00:33:24,760
whole group of people because
they are bringing her out.

480
00:33:25,920 –> 00:33:28,040
What for?
To burn it.

481
00:33:29,440 –> 00:33:32,960
You imagine they’re stocking the
fire, the fire big enough to

482
00:33:32,960 –> 00:33:36,040
burn someone.
Just feel the drama of this

483
00:33:36,040 –> 00:33:40,520
moment.
And she sends a word.

484
00:33:41,440 –> 00:33:46,920
She sends a servant off with a
message to her father-in-law,

485
00:33:48,200 –> 00:33:53,960
and the message is this, I’m
pregnant by the man to whom

486
00:33:53,960 –> 00:34:01,600
these belong.
As she’s walking out to be

487
00:34:01,600 –> 00:34:07,080
burnt, the servant is taking the
message to Judah.

488
00:34:11,600 –> 00:34:16,199
Oh, Can you imagine Judah in
that crowd?

489
00:34:17,000 –> 00:34:23,719
Where’s he sitting on the high
and mighty throne, deciding her

490
00:34:23,719 –> 00:34:29,040
future, giving her verdict
without a voice, without an

491
00:34:29,040 –> 00:34:33,320
opportunity to speak for
herself, and sitting up there

492
00:34:33,320 –> 00:34:38,800
calling the shots?
She’s just ripped the carpet out

493
00:34:38,800 –> 00:34:43,960
from under his feet.
More than that, that’s the

494
00:34:43,960 –> 00:34:48,960
message that was sent.
And Judah’s drawer would just

495
00:34:48,960 –> 00:34:55,000
drop.
Then says then there’s always a

496
00:34:55,000 –> 00:34:56,679
break.
Every translation has a break

497
00:34:56,679 –> 00:34:59,360
here.
So she sent one message saying

498
00:34:59,360 –> 00:35:03,000
this to Judah.
And then she stands there in

499
00:35:03,000 –> 00:35:07,640
front of all these people and
she goes, I want you to identify

500
00:35:08,240 –> 00:35:11,640
whose seal, cord and staff this
is.

501
00:35:11,760 –> 00:35:16,280
She says that publicly to who?
To the guy that wishes he could

502
00:35:16,280 –> 00:35:20,240
fall through the cracks in the
seat, that he’s on his high,

503
00:35:20,240 –> 00:35:26,240
mighty pedestal.
But she says, identify.

504
00:35:26,240 –> 00:35:28,840
Do you know what that word
means?

505
00:35:29,480 –> 00:35:32,680
Not that I mean to Hebrew words
in particular, but that is the

506
00:35:32,680 –> 00:35:37,640
exact phrase that Judas said to
his dad as he carried a coat

507
00:35:37,640 –> 00:35:42,640
into his dad and said, dad, do
you think it’s your favorite

508
00:35:42,640 –> 00:35:46,840
boy’s coat?
Can you identify the coat for

509
00:35:46,840 –> 00:35:57,040
me?
And here he is exposed with

510
00:35:57,040 –> 00:36:02,160
exactly the same behaviour,
caught in that situation.

511
00:36:02,360 –> 00:36:08,160
This is the way God worked.
God gives us opportunity to

512
00:36:08,160 –> 00:36:14,120
learn from our mistakes.
Now I want you to think about

513
00:36:14,120 –> 00:36:21,240
this.
Judah has a choice how to

514
00:36:21,240 –> 00:36:26,640
respond.
He could deny that and push

515
00:36:26,640 –> 00:36:33,240
ahead with the burning.
Or he could face up to the facts

516
00:36:33,360 –> 00:36:39,720
with all that public humiliation
and goes, Yep, I’m wrong.

517
00:36:42,800 –> 00:36:48,080
Those words don’t come easily.
And he said every bit of it.

518
00:36:49,680 –> 00:36:55,960
She is more righteous than me.
He owned it.

519
00:36:58,080 –> 00:37:03,360
He called it what it is.
They were both involved in this.

520
00:37:03,360 –> 00:37:08,200
No, she’s more righteous than he
was.

521
00:37:10,000 –> 00:37:12,880
And in that publicly
embarrassing moment where he

522
00:37:12,880 –> 00:37:17,480
thought he was on his high and
mighty throne, he’s been pulled

523
00:37:17,480 –> 00:37:21,240
right down to the ground.
And she’s been shown to be the

524
00:37:21,240 –> 00:37:27,240
righteous party who simply
wanted what his word to be

525
00:37:27,600 –> 00:37:32,800
because he promised a child to
her and he was playing games and

526
00:37:32,800 –> 00:37:39,320
not giving her his third son.
And she just wanted what was

527
00:37:39,320 –> 00:37:43,600
rightfully hers and she stuck to
it.

528
00:37:45,400 –> 00:37:48,800
He was the guy that was being
unrighteous.

529
00:37:50,080 –> 00:37:57,840
Can you feel that?
Just imagine the moment for

530
00:37:57,840 –> 00:38:07,600
Judah, not only realizing that
first statement that he’s about

531
00:38:07,600 –> 00:38:13,720
to be exposed, but because he
doesn’t act, she takes to that

532
00:38:13,720 –> 00:38:20,960
next level and says identify it.
And we have proof that Judah has

533
00:38:20,960 –> 00:38:23,560
struggling in his mind what he
did to his dad.

534
00:38:23,560 –> 00:38:25,360
He knows that we’re going to see
that in the next study.

535
00:38:25,640 –> 00:38:28,560
It’s playing in his mind.
It’s affecting him.

536
00:38:29,920 –> 00:38:33,240
And I think this moment had
dramatic impact on Judah.

537
00:38:33,400 –> 00:38:37,720
His conscience is just screaming
at him.

538
00:38:41,760 –> 00:38:44,240
Remember, this is the guy that
was hypocritical about we might

539
00:38:44,240 –> 00:38:47,080
appear to have not delivered the
goat to Tamer.

540
00:38:48,920 –> 00:38:54,720
How’s he appearing now?
It’s a huge lesson here.

541
00:38:54,720 –> 00:38:57,800
I want to make this point really
clearly.

542
00:39:00,360 –> 00:39:04,960
When we get confronted with
something we’ve done wrong and

543
00:39:04,960 –> 00:39:15,160
we all do it, we all do things
wrong, own it, face up, call it

544
00:39:15,160 –> 00:39:19,600
what it is.
Because if Judah tried to lie in

545
00:39:19,600 –> 00:39:22,520
that situation, what do you
think that whole crowd of people

546
00:39:22,520 –> 00:39:26,560
would have been thinking?
They know what happened.

547
00:39:27,880 –> 00:39:32,360
They know that signet, that
staff, that seal the cord, they

548
00:39:32,360 –> 00:39:34,680
know his identity is in her
hands.

549
00:39:35,280 –> 00:39:36,960
They know the truth of the
situation.

550
00:39:36,960 –> 00:39:41,360
They know his reputation.
He’s a fool to think he could

551
00:39:41,360 –> 00:39:45,200
lie.
And so are we when we try to

552
00:39:45,200 –> 00:39:50,280
pull the wool over our brothers
and sisters of Rally People and

553
00:39:50,280 –> 00:39:56,040
act as if we don’t do something
or haven’t done something when

554
00:39:56,040 –> 00:39:58,440
we’ve been caught out for it.
So there’s a really important

555
00:39:58,440 –> 00:39:59,640
lesson to learn.
Own up.

556
00:40:00,440 –> 00:40:04,320
To your situation, face up to
what it is now.

557
00:40:05,840 –> 00:40:07,160
I want to pull all that story
together.

558
00:40:08,320 –> 00:40:13,680
What is Judah being taught?
It’s one word and it’s empathy.

559
00:40:15,440 –> 00:40:22,040
Just appreciate someone else’s
position for a minute of your

560
00:40:22,040 –> 00:40:24,560
life, Judah.
Just grasp this.

561
00:40:29,920 –> 00:40:35,200
Life has taken Judah down a path
that led him to appreciate, and

562
00:40:35,200 –> 00:40:37,720
I say appreciate in an
incredible way, his father’s

563
00:40:37,720 –> 00:40:41,960
story.
Just think, what’s it like Judah

564
00:40:42,920 –> 00:40:48,880
to have lost a grown son or two
actually?

565
00:40:50,640 –> 00:40:56,560
Because at this point, Jacob has
lost a 17 year old son and he’s

566
00:40:56,560 –> 00:41:01,920
about to lose another son.
Judah’s lost two grown sons

567
00:41:02,960 –> 00:41:09,920
killed by God.
What’s it like, Judah, to be

568
00:41:09,920 –> 00:41:16,800
protecting yours youngest son?
Because that’s what you’re angry

569
00:41:16,800 –> 00:41:19,840
at your dad about protecting
Joseph?

570
00:41:20,320 –> 00:41:25,080
Yeah.
What’s it like to lose the wife

571
00:41:25,080 –> 00:41:29,920
that you live love and they’d be
left with this woman, Tamar,

572
00:41:29,920 –> 00:41:33,720
that you never actually did
love, but now you’ve got to live

573
00:41:33,720 –> 00:41:41,640
with her?
That’s more than that.

574
00:41:42,560 –> 00:41:50,360
What’s it like to have children
that you didn’t want to have?

575
00:41:52,360 –> 00:41:57,320
Because Judo now has two twins
about to be born.

576
00:41:57,320 –> 00:42:02,400
He doesn’t know that quite yet.
That’s the final piece that will

577
00:42:02,400 –> 00:42:08,480
fit into this puzzle.
What’s it like to be tricked by

578
00:42:08,480 –> 00:42:11,040
a veil that was over Tamar’s
eyes?

579
00:42:12,320 –> 00:42:14,440
Bit like the coat that you gave
to your dad.

580
00:42:16,120 –> 00:42:19,600
A bit like the coat that your
dad tricked your dad’s dad with.

581
00:42:27,720 –> 00:42:34,520
Just stop and think about that
for a minute and discern whether

582
00:42:34,520 –> 00:42:50,740
you’re an honest, truthful man.
Identify this code and in that

583
00:42:50,740 –> 00:43:02,120
moment Judah is taught the value
of family, of relationships, of

584
00:43:02,160 –> 00:43:07,040
all the things that he despised
and was bitter about and all got

585
00:43:07,040 –> 00:43:09,400
turned around and put back on
his head.

586
00:43:11,520 –> 00:43:14,760
But the most encouraging thing
is that is what is going to

587
00:43:14,760 –> 00:43:18,480
rebuild him.
And in trials, we think that

588
00:43:18,480 –> 00:43:22,080
that breaks us, we give up.
And we think, I can’t recover

589
00:43:22,080 –> 00:43:24,560
from this.
And Judah’s standing up there

590
00:43:24,560 –> 00:43:27,000
calling the shots on her.
He’s now embarrassed.

591
00:43:27,000 –> 00:43:29,240
He could go out and go, I can’t
recover.

592
00:43:29,640 –> 00:43:35,880
I’m past it.
That is what is going to rebuild

593
00:43:35,880 –> 00:43:39,880
Judah and change him.
Those very experiences.

594
00:43:40,880 –> 00:43:43,240
And that’s what I want you to
grasp in your life, too.

595
00:43:43,480 –> 00:43:46,960
The mistakes are learning,
opportunities to become a better

596
00:43:46,960 –> 00:43:50,400
person, to grow.
I very much hope you don’t have

597
00:43:50,400 –> 00:43:58,600
to go to the moral despair of
where Judah is brought, but

598
00:43:58,600 –> 00:44:03,440
that’s how we learnt.
I want to put it this way.

599
00:44:03,800 –> 00:44:09,960
The meals of God’s Providence
and the way God works in our

600
00:44:09,960 –> 00:44:15,120
life is through Providence.
And Providence grinds through

601
00:44:15,120 –> 00:44:21,280
our life very, very slowly.
And this wheel has turned over

602
00:44:21,280 –> 00:44:25,480
20 something years.
But what it does is it grinds

603
00:44:25,680 –> 00:44:30,800
incredibly precise because it’s
God’s meal.

604
00:44:31,720 –> 00:44:34,720
God knows exactly what he’s
doing in our life.

605
00:44:36,680 –> 00:44:42,640
The precision is incredible.
It’s ironic, isn’t it?

606
00:44:44,320 –> 00:44:46,240
It’s the way God works.
Just think about this man.

607
00:44:47,480 –> 00:44:52,400
Same problem.
And God ended his life in a

608
00:44:52,400 –> 00:44:58,560
prison without his eyes, doing
the job that was normally

609
00:44:58,560 –> 00:45:07,040
allocated to the ladies so that
he could learn truthfulness.

610
00:45:12,040 –> 00:45:18,400
That’s a huge lesson to learn.
It’s called irony.

611
00:45:20,720 –> 00:45:22,880
Irony is the kind of thing,
let’s define it for a second.

612
00:45:22,880 –> 00:45:25,720
It’s like irony is like when the
ambulance runs over and kills

613
00:45:25,720 –> 00:45:27,120
you.
You know, the one that was

614
00:45:27,120 –> 00:45:31,760
coming to help you ambulance.
I’ll use that as an analogy.

615
00:45:31,760 –> 00:45:37,240
Maybe irony is when the fire
engine burns up or the fire

616
00:45:37,240 –> 00:45:42,640
station burns up.
See how there’s a similarity in

617
00:45:42,640 –> 00:45:44,840
it?
It’s like us drawing a tree on a

618
00:45:44,840 –> 00:45:46,080
piece of paper.
That’s irony.

619
00:45:50,640 –> 00:45:57,160
Irony happens in your life too,
and God controls it.

620
00:45:59,240 –> 00:46:09,440
He allows it to occur by our own
dumb decisions that we are being

621
00:46:09,440 –> 00:46:19,080
forced to have to own, man up to
and face the consequences of.

622
00:46:22,240 –> 00:46:26,520
And that’s what makes a man a
man or a woman a woman.

623
00:46:26,760 –> 00:46:35,040
We’re picking on men in this
story face up to the truth of

624
00:46:35,040 –> 00:46:39,760
the situation because our day is
coming.

625
00:46:40,680 –> 00:46:45,000
Jesus says to us the judgement
that you judge on other people,

626
00:46:46,040 –> 00:46:48,880
bring her out and burn her.
That’s how you’ll be judged.

627
00:46:49,760 –> 00:46:52,320
The measure that you meet on
people is the way it’ll be

628
00:46:52,320 –> 00:46:56,080
measured to you.
Again at the judgement seat.

629
00:46:58,760 –> 00:46:59,960
And young people, don’t be
fooled.

630
00:47:01,480 –> 00:47:06,800
God is not mocked.
What you sow in your life,

631
00:47:07,720 –> 00:47:23,080
you’re right.
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