359: Podcast Showcase – Faith Works

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Hello, this is Brother Chris.
As mentioned in our previous

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episode, we have something
special planned for the month of

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August and this is going to be
the first episode of that as we

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are coming up on the eighth year
of doing good Christadelphian

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talks.
One of the things that I’ve been

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super encouraged about
personally and been able to see

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is all the other podcasts that
are out there by

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Christadelphians that have been
popping up both around the same

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time we did and also in the last
several years.

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So for this month, we are going
to be highlighting 4 different

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Christadelphian podcasts that
have been published.

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We will be picking a specific
episode from that podcast about

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your appetite and get you
started, but our general

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recommendation is just to
subscribe and listen to these

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podcasts as well.
They’re different from what good

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Christadelphian Talks are, but
they are super encouraging and

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we wanted to just raise the
profile and make sure that

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everybody knows about them
because they are awesome to be

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able to listen to.
For this week specifically,

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we’re listening to an episode
from the Faith Works podcast,

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which is done by two brothers
from the Enfield Ecclesia in

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Adelaide, Australia.
I won’t go too much into

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explaining what the point of
their podcast is because we’re

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going to leave the introduction
in so you can hear it just as if

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you were listening to their
episode.

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This specifically is their third
episode where they have an

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interview with brother Josh
Kempster talking about the

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judgment seat, but they also
have stuff that they talk about

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at the beginning.
So I would encourage you to

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listen to all of it and enjoy
it.

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I got to meet brother George
Richards, who’s one of the

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brothers that does it, and
really enjoy chatting with him

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and being able to talk to him
about starting this podcast and

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what he and brother Remy Wigzel
do as they record it.

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So it was super fun to be able
to talk with them at the Ottawa

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Bible School just this past
week.

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And I hope that you find this as
encouraging and is exciting to

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listen to as I have.
I’ve loved all the episodes that

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they’ve done.
So I would encourage you to

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subscribe as well.
And if you have any feedback for

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them or anything that you enjoy
about it, feel free to reach out

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to them as well.
They mention how to contact them

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in the opening of their podcast
episode that we’re playing here.

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So I hope that you find both
this particular episode and the

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ones through the rest of the
month of August to be

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encouraging and a change from
what we’ve been doing.

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We have a bunch of exciting
things planned for good

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Christalphine talks as well
coming up.

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But this is our special kind of
summer thing that we do.

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Normally would be in the month
of July, but this time because

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of obviously all the
coordination with the other

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podcasts and getting permission
to be able to share their stuff

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on here, we had to push it a
little bit until August.

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But I hope that you find all of
these encouraging.

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And so with that, we are going
to roll right into the

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introduction for episode 3 of
the Faith Works podcast.

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Faith Works is a podcast where
young voices explore faith,

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reason and rule life application
of Scripture.

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It is designed as a forum for
open and easy listening, Bible

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discussion and is rooted in
conversation and discovery.

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Faith Works bridges generations
encouraging thoughtful dialogue

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and practical faith in action.
Welcome to Faith Works.

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Well, welcome everyone.
We’re actually recording this

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the same week we released our
first episode.

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So we just want to have, we just
want to give a big shout out to

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everyone who listened to Episode
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Lot of good feedback.
We received a lot of lessons as

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well, so that’s been good.
Thanks for the feedback and

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support from everyone really.
Yeah, and keep the feedback

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coming.
It’s good stuff.

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I think you can comment in
Spotify, yeah.

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We’ve had a few comments
already, so thanks again to

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those guys, they know who they
are.

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Yeah, that’s it.
And we’ll start writing out the

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five star comments.
Thanks, brother.

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Craig Stein.
I think there’s also an e-mail

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address that people can.
Yeah, that’s in the show notes.

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So if you’ve got anything you
want to address to us, feel free

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to e-mail us in the at our Gmail
account in the show notes.

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And if you’re under 45, we’re
also on Instagram now, which is,

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that is true.
So you can also message us by

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Instagram.
Yeah, that’s pretty cool as

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well.
So thanks everyone for the

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feedback.
You’ll probably notice some

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things change as the podcast
goes on and that is based off

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your feedback.
So we do really appreciate the

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feedback.
So keep it coming even even if

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you’ve got suggestions on.
We’d love to hear them.

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Topics and speakers and whatever
else that’d be, that’d be great.

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So.
But just like most weeks, we’ll

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get cracking into what was once
called current events, but is

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now called what George?
Current of threads, pretty good.

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It’s a little bit of a play on
words because what we’re going

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to be doing is we’re going to be
giving our current events

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segment a bit more of a
structure so it can really

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follow, as it were, a story.
So we’ve got these threads, so

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to speak, current of threads, a
current of threads, maybe even.

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So we’re going to be looking,
and the way that we’ve based

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this is we’re going to be sort
of telling stories week in, week

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out about what’s going on around
the world, but looking

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specifically at the players fan
in Ezekiel 38, which is

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basically Armageddon, isn’t it?
R.E.M.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So who?

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Who are the key players in
Ezekiel 30?

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Eight, we have Schieber and
Deidan.

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We have the ships of Tarsus,
obviously have Gog, Magog, Yeah.

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Any more other ones that are
missing there, George?

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Yeah, and obviously the key
players where all happens,

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Armageddon all happens, which is
on the the mountains of Israel,

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the unwalled villages, as
Ezekiel 38 calls them.

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So what we’re going to be doing
from now on is just having this

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structure where we really look
at all the players.

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And just follow them.
And we’re just going to follow

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them basically to Kingdom come.
It would be awesome if we’re

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given this podcast and the Angel
knocks at the door, like how

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would that be?
That would just be amazing.

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It all happening in front of our
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So as we go week in, week out,
we’re going to be seeing these

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different players in the lead up
to Armageddon.

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That’s that’s sort of our vision
for this segment.

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So.
All before the felt, the shaves

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are gathered in the valley for
judgement.

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Yeah, that’s right.
So that’ll be really exciting

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just to see all this out play.
And I think and maybe even this

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week could be a little bit like
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But there might be some small
things which don’t really seem

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to fit in with the big picture.
But I think we’ll be able to

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look back one in time and just
see how it’s all unfolded.

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Yeah, yeah.
Over the weeks.

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So like R.E.M. said, we’ve got a
few different players.

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Is it you with 38?
Verse 2 talks about this

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confederacy, which is most
people will know but if you

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don’t it is basically this
confederacy made-up of the

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European nations headed from a
military perspective by Gog and

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Gog basically is interpreted as
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So the later and he’s the chief
pre Prince of of Meshach and

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Tubal.
And we can go feel free to if

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you’ve got any questions about
this segment, feel free to

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e-mail us or whatever.
But for the sake of time,

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basically that refers to ancient
times Russia.

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So Russia is going to be the
head of this Confederacy,

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particularly the military.
Military.

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I don’t know why I said it.
Military, the military aspect of

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the beast, knowing that the
religious aspect, which is also

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going to bring it together like
we see in Daniel 2, with the

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iron in clay being the Pope,
which Revelation talks about as

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well.
So one thread we’re always going

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to be looking at Russia and
what’s going on there

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particularly.
There’s always a lot going on

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with them as well and kind of
current events, so that’s always

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good to watch.
Always and just saying the

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formation of this beast, again,
bringing back the old boundaries

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of, you know, the Russian
Federation, you know, they’ve

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gone into Georgia and now
they’re going into Ukraine.

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So we’ll see what happens from
that perspective as well.

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So we’ll be looking at at the
story there with Russia,

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particularly in their war with
Ukraine.

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As we say them.
We’re going to be looking at

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Israel, which is obviously
central to the Bible.

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And like Rams already mentioned,
we’ll be looking at those who

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will oppose or try and impose
this, this confederacy.

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And that’s made-up of Sheba and
D Dan and the Young Lions as God

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is basically drawing them.
And Ezekiel uses the word

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basically being drawn to this
place in Israel and God through

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current events and whatever
else, is bringing all these

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different powers to Israel like
his prophesied.

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So just to kick things off this
week, we’ve seen something

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that’s maybe flown a little bit
under the radar, but is also

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pretty interesting, and it’s the
Houthis.

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Interesting.
Have you heard of the Houthis?

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I have not heard of the Houthis.
Yeah.

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So the Houthis, they’re they’re
what we call Shia Muslims.

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They’re a particular branch of
Islam and they are located on

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the Arabian Peninsula in a, in a
country called Yemen.

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So I heard of Yemen.
You’ve heard of Yemen?

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Yep.
Yemen So directly below Israel

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in the Arabian Peninsula is
Saudi Arabia, which basically

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makes up about 80% of the
peninsula.

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And right below that is Yemen.
So it’s about 1000 KS away from

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Israel and they’ve been using
these long range missiles and

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drones and whatever else to
attack Israel because they’re

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the whole we stand with
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They’re on the same side of the
Islamic faith, interestingly

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enough, their war a bit with
Saudi Arabia as well.

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And they they are Sunni Muslims,
which are more aligned with

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Sheba and Daidan, as we’ve seen
in Ezekiel 38.

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So they’re at war.
We’re beginning to see these

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powers emerge, you know, the
friends and the enemies of

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Israel.
But the interesting thing, and

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we don’t want to spend too much
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meant to be pretty quick, is
that they’re also beginning to

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control the Red Sea.
So they have control over the

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Red Sea because the Arabian
Peninsula, yeah, links with the

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Red Sea.
And they’ve got control of

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northern and western Yemen,
which actually includes the

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capital.
So they’re pretty well in

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control of Yemen at the moment.
And what they’re doing is

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they’re really impacting trade
through the Red Sea.

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Oh, interesting.
So what’s been happening of

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light is the UK and the US, who
are commonly known as Israel’s

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allies, have been sending
strikes to these Houthi rebels,

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which are backed by Iran, who
are also Shia Muslims.

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So they’ve been back in Yemen
and the Houthis and whatever

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else.
And the Houthis would be nowhere

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without Iran.
And they know, you know, they’ve

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been out of strike Israel from
1000 KS and actually do some

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damage.
And the only way they could do

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that would be through Iran
supporting them.

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But what’s been happening more
so of late is the fact that

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Trump has made a deal with the
Houthis where he will stop

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protecting Israel so that the
Houthis will stop attacking

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ships coming through the Red
Sea, really, which is pretty

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interesting.
So Trump, who’s always very pro

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Israel at the at the moment, is
basically letting.

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Letting them do what they want.
Have their way with Israel in

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that sense so they won’t attack,
you know, the tribe, the trade

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going through going through the
Red Sea there.

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So that’s pretty interesting.
So I think we sometimes look at

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Trump and we think, oh, he’s,
you know, God’s using him to

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protect Israel.
But I think this is an example

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of where we see Trump really
just serving himself.

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You know what we’re?
Doing again what’s best for

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America because that’s all he
hears.

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What?
Right now?

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Yeah.
That’s right.

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So that’s really what’s going
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Obviously the whole Gaza crisis
is ongoing, but the Houthis, you

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know, as they stand with
Palestine, while this has all

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been going on, they’ve also been
attacking Israel.

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So that’s really what’s
happening in the in the Holy

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Land at the moment.
Other pretty interesting news as

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well is the whole escalation of
the crisis between Pakistan and

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India.
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I guess dichotomy, if you like,
because India’s always been seen

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in Bible prophecy or by the
Christadelphians has been pro

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Israel was part of the
Commonwealth, the Young Lions

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who will oppose this Gogi
invasion and Pakistan is is

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Muslim as well.
So I was saying this, this

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battle between these two parties
and this is also current events.

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It’s also prophecy opening up in
our eyes because we have seen

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such a extended period of peace
between these two nations, which

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in times gone by, we’re always
at war with each other.

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We’ve seen a pretty extended
period of peace between the two

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countries, but now we’re just
saying war.

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So there’s this conflict going
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And I just, I went through
brother Andy Bolton’s worldwide

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watch that he has, which is
really good to to look at for

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just keeping yourself up to date
with current events where he

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quotes from the Daily Telegraph
basically saying this long

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period of peace between the two
nations is over.

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And now we’re ushering in this
new era of war, which hasn’t

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been seen for some time.
And the Bible prophecies when

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Christ returns back to the earth
that there’s going to be wars

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all over the place and these new
conflicts just escalating out of

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hand.
And Trump is also is a busy man,

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but Trump’s also involved in
this one too because both these

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countries have nuclear weapons.
So this has the potential to

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become nuclear.
Nuclear war, Yeah.

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Wow.
And that’s unlike with anything

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we’ve really seen before a
nuclear war.

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Correct.
We’re saying things we’ve never

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seen before and that can only oh
excitedly, hopefully can only

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mean one thing and that is Jesus
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earth.
In other news as well, we’re

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saying Russia sort of flexing
their muscles during parades

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through Saint Petersburg and
whatever I was in and Moscow and

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then in in Europe, Trump again
brokering these peace deal was

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with Ukraine and her allies.
And that’s the, the, the tide is

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sort of shifting a little bit
now.

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He, him and JD Vance, who’s the
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they’re becoming quite
frustrated with Russia because

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Putin’s standing his ground.
He doesn’t want peace at any

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terms, on any terms.
So while Trump is bringing all

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these European nations together
with Ukraine and trying to break

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this peace deal, Trump isn’t
batting an ally.

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And so they’re getting pretty
frustrated with that.

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And finally, big news.
The Catholic system is about to

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announce their new Pope.
So pretty exciting to see where

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they go with that and how their
choice of new Pope impacts the

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world’s landscape.
Especially from revelations here

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that unfolds.
That’s going to be a big part of

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how, yeah, this whole thing
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So that’s that is our current of
threads.

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Great debut.
Great debut for current of

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Threads, George.
I was really fascinating to be

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honest, to see the things going
on in this world and just the

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amount of content there from
just a few weeks of, of what’s

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going on in the world is
actually quite distressing to be

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honest.
Like if you had no hope, it’s

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quite sad saying that in every
aspect of the world, in every

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country in like economically and
socially and politically, how

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much is going on that’s so bad
and negative is actually quite

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upsetting and and sad.
But for Bible believers, like,

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you know, everyone listening
right now, it’s actually gives

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us great comfort knowing that
God is working in the kingdoms

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of man to bring about his plan
and purpose.

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So I guess jumping into our
thought from a talk then for

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this week I’ve taken back the
reigns from George.

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And this week I’ve spoken I’m
going to speak about a series I

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heard by by brother Ben
Brinkerhoff and he has it on on

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resentment and the story of
Judah.

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And I have really, really loved
these series or these talks, and

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I’ve actually shared them with a
few people because I believe the

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story of Judah is actually quite
fascinating.

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And if you don’t know it so
well, I’d suggest you

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familiarize yourself with it.
But this is a few things I’ve

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taken from his his first talk,
which I believe is called the

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seeds of resentment.
And there’s some one liners

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here.
He says hurt people tend to hurt

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people the way they’ve been
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And it seems a bit clunky there.
But what like that’s so true is

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in all of our lives.
If if you’ve been hurt in a

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certain way before, you feel
justified in reciprocating

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those.
Those feelings are the people.

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And just like in Judah’s life,
the example he saw of Jacob

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loving his mum Leah less than he
loved Joseph’s mum Rachel, he

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kind of impacted that.
And, and that made him feel

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justified in the way he sort of
perceived people in his life.

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And that definitely had an
impact on him in his life.

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And how he treated Joseph in
return.

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Yeah, exactly.
And how older brothers really

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treated.
But even, you know, the way he

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treated, you know, his kids
growing up, he, he didn’t

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really, he had that same view as
really how Jacob viewed them.

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And it naturally that that is,
if you’ve sort of gone through

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that, that battle and someone’s
hurt you in a way, naturally you

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feel justified and you’ll
reciprocate those feelings to

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other people.
But another one here that I

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really liked from him that he
that he put that I’ve actually

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really resonated with and felt
like he’s been powerful to me.

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And he says this, he says a form
of resentment is interpreting

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information pessimistically,
skewing information in other

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terms, therefore limited
information, interpreting it

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pessimistically allows justified
actions.

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So it’s a bit of a mouthful, but
basically what that means is

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that the limited information you
get of other people around you,

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what you might actually just
hear, maybe it’s just a whisper

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or maybe it’s even a rumour
because you’ve got that

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perception of them, you and then
in turn interpret it

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pessimistically and in a
negative way.

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And because you’ve had a little
rumor about a person you don’t

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like, that therefore means you
act in a way that’s probably

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unrighteous and you then judge
them or you spread more rumors

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about them.
And that is the the justified

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actions.
You think someone else has done

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something wrong, you don’t like
them, you think they’re a bad

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person.
So you take things into your own

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hands and it’s a justified in,
you know, in air quotes, it’s a

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justified action.
And that’s something that he

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really takes out from the story
of you of Judah is that idea of

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taking the information from
other people’s lives.

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And the way that we view other
people in our lives, the

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negative way that we’ll treat
other people in our lives

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because we’ve heard something
bad about them or, or we’ve

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heard a rumour about them.
And, and we act completely

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unrighteous and we kind of lash
out to other people and we, we

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potentially spread false rumours
or we say the wrong things about

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them.
And I felt that was really

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strong because I know, you know,
I’ve had examples of that in my

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life before and sort of how
that’s really the complete wrong

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lesson.
And Judah’s story teaches that

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that idea of resentment to
overcome.

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And I think that’s something
from this talk that resonated

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with me and something that I try
to try and call out as well.

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It’s not just doing it in your
own life, but you got to you

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can’t allow that those actions
to take place in peoples lives

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as well.
You have to try and stand for a

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try.
But that’s sort of been the that

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thought from a talk I got this
week was from was from Uncle

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Ben’s talks on Judah.
Yeah.

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And it’s all, it’s all a matter
of perspective.

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Exactly.
And I think, like you say, Judah

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almost didn’t stand a chance
right from the word go because

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he saw this infighting and this
hierarchy in his family from

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such a young age that it’s
almost like he never had a

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chance.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So I think our our perspective

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is based on how we’re moulded
and how we interact with the

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world from a really young age.
Yeah, and it is.

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It’s remarkable to see the story
of Judah unfold because you

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think about how how many issues
they had in Jacob’s family and

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and Joseph’s family and how many
things that went wrong.

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But yet God still worked through
the 12 tribes, the 12 sons, the

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12 tribes of Israel.
And that goes all the way

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through the Old Testament.
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they’re still, you know,
described as in the Kingdom as

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like inheriting that land.
And like, it’s the fact that

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God, no, no matter how messed up
the family was, God still

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somehow worked through them to
bring about his plan and

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purpose.
And again, Uncle Ben made that

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point clear.
And I think that’s it.

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That was a pretty strong point
taken away from that.

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But that’s our thought from the
talk, from the way we’ve now

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going to have a conversation
with Josh, which was actually a

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really good conversation on the
judgement seat.

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He did rephrase.
Sorry, reshape.

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I’d say my thinking a little bit
on the judgement seat.

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It was a really uplifting
conversation and and it was

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really, really great to get into
it and I think you’ll probably

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get a lot out of it, just like
George and I did.

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Yeah, he went to some quotes
that I’ve never even seen

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before.
Yeah, exactly.

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That just broadened both our
horizons, looking at the

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judgement and how we can the
judgement can be something that

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we can actually look forward to.
Yeah, to not give too much away.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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All right, let’s jump into that
now.

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Welcome to our next segment and
this segment is called What’s

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Your Study?
And this week we have Josh

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Kempster joining with us very.
Excited.

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To have Josh.
Well, thanks Randy and George, I

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actually am pretty excited about
this.

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All right, good.
We put it off a couple of weeks.

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Yeah, it’s taken a while to get
here, but we’re finally made it.

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That’s it.
We’ve, we’ve bought it together.

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Anyway, Josh, do you mind giving
us a bit of an introduction

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about yourself?
Sure.

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Well, you’ve said my name.
That’s pretty key one.

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What about?
Your second name.

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Yes, well, actually, funny
thing, my second name is an

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indication to how original my
parents were.

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They named they gave me the same
second name as my dad and I gave

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my brother the same second name
as well.

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So we all have the name James
and my sisters are both have the

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middle name Jane which is the
same as my mum so.

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There’s there’s two boys with
James and there’s 2 girls with

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Jane.
Both of which are are parents

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middle names as well.
Fantastic.

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My parents are even less
original, we don’t even have

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middle names.
OK, 27.

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Thoughts of thought so.
I was 27.

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I go to Woodville Ecclesia in
Adelaide, get to see Raymond

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George fairly often.
This is quite a treat.

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What else do you want to know
about me?

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I guess probably that’s, that’s
a good introduction to I guess

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who you are and this topic.
I guess you probably want to

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introduce that because this is
an exciting one.

438
00:23:09,000 –> 00:23:11,880
This is something that I don’t
think I’ve really had much on.

439
00:23:12,200 –> 00:23:16,160
There’s one that comes to mind
particularly on it, but I wanted

440
00:23:16,160 –> 00:23:18,280
you to give us a good
instruction to what it is.

441
00:23:18,760 –> 00:23:23,520
All right, so the subject that
I’ve been studying a bit, which

442
00:23:23,520 –> 00:23:27,880
came from some questions I had,
but also a talk I was asked to

443
00:23:27,880 –> 00:23:29,240
do.
There was good resurrection and

444
00:23:29,240 –> 00:23:31,320
judgement that they wanted to
focus mainly on the judgement

445
00:23:31,320 –> 00:23:34,840
seat, which was why I I also
wanted to focus on that because

446
00:23:34,840 –> 00:23:38,320
IA lot of questions about that.
And I think some sometimes I

447
00:23:38,320 –> 00:23:39,640
just didn’t really gel in my
head.

448
00:23:39,640 –> 00:23:44,520
Things like, you know, why is
there a judgement seat if like

449
00:23:44,520 –> 00:23:48,480
God knows exactly who we are?
What’s the whole, the reason for

450
00:23:48,480 –> 00:23:50,280
this process?
What’s it actually look like?

451
00:23:51,280 –> 00:23:55,600
And you know, if we say we’re
saved by grace, why do we go so

452
00:23:55,600 –> 00:23:58,040
much into works things like
that?

453
00:23:58,040 –> 00:24:01,080
And you know, where is the
judgement seat?

454
00:24:01,080 –> 00:24:02,600
Are there really angels
involved?

455
00:24:02,600 –> 00:24:05,360
Are we at like some big campsite
at Sinai?

456
00:24:06,560 –> 00:24:10,160
Yeah, all those sort of
questions got me interested in

457
00:24:10,160 –> 00:24:11,880
it.
I wouldn’t claim to have all the

458
00:24:11,920 –> 00:24:13,760
answers, but.
Yeah, and that’s the thing

459
00:24:13,760 –> 00:24:16,640
that’s probably worth mentioning
is, is there’s a lot that we

460
00:24:16,640 –> 00:24:17,960
still don’t know about the
judgement scene.

461
00:24:19,240 –> 00:24:22,280
Like we know that it will occur.
We know roughly the time frame

462
00:24:22,760 –> 00:24:25,920
when Christ returns.
But there’s a lot of things that

463
00:24:25,920 –> 00:24:28,160
we still kind of in the dark on
because it’s not really up.

464
00:24:28,160 –> 00:24:30,160
Like it’s something so far out
of our control.

465
00:24:30,480 –> 00:24:33,440
We’re not the ones judging.
It’s ultimately in God, God in

466
00:24:33,440 –> 00:24:36,560
Christ’s hand, and it’s
something that we’re just going

467
00:24:36,560 –> 00:24:39,960
to be participating in and we’re
just going to be beneficiaries

468
00:24:39,960 –> 00:24:43,560
of, you know, judge righteous or
judge unrighteous, I guess, as

469
00:24:43,560 –> 00:24:43,880
well.
Yeah.

470
00:24:45,320 –> 00:24:48,960
So what what would your
perception of the judgement say

471
00:24:48,960 –> 00:24:53,800
have been growing up like?
Was it, you know, did your ideas

472
00:24:53,800 –> 00:24:56,920
kind of what were they falling
above what your family or what

473
00:24:56,920 –> 00:25:00,120
your parents taught you or what
your you heard from the platform

474
00:25:00,120 –> 00:25:02,680
at your meeting?
What was sort of your perception

475
00:25:03,120 –> 00:25:05,400
of the judgement and did that
change over time?

476
00:25:05,520 –> 00:25:09,640
I think I don’t know about you,
but I couldn’t pin if it was

477
00:25:09,640 –> 00:25:12,240
exactly like parents or ecclesia
or not, but some of the like

478
00:25:12,240 –> 00:25:17,240
core memories of that formulated
my picture of the judgement.

479
00:25:17,240 –> 00:25:20,680
So it would be some meditations
that I might have heard, like

480
00:25:20,680 –> 00:25:25,280
ecclesial events or Bible school
or young people’s events where

481
00:25:25,480 –> 00:25:31,760
we get this picture like where
lined up, we’re in camps and we

482
00:25:31,760 –> 00:25:35,600
sit down with an Angel in a tent
in front of sign up Mount Sinai

483
00:25:35,600 –> 00:25:38,240
and we’re going through our
lives and it’s this like long

484
00:25:38,960 –> 00:25:43,120
year, years long process.
And one day it’s your turn after

485
00:25:43,120 –> 00:25:45,960
going through your whole life.
I couldn’t pin.

486
00:25:46,280 –> 00:25:48,800
I think those sort of things are
the where where people have

487
00:25:48,800 –> 00:25:52,800
dramatised it, not claiming that
that’s actually exactly how it

488
00:25:52,800 –> 00:25:56,800
worked, but tried to dramatise
it to get us into the mode of

489
00:25:57,480 –> 00:26:00,640
the power of what it would be
like to be accepted versus the

490
00:26:00,640 –> 00:26:04,080
dread to be rejected.
I think people have dramatized

491
00:26:04,080 –> 00:26:07,760
and that became like almost fact
in my head that then one day

492
00:26:07,760 –> 00:26:10,800
I’ll line up and see someone go
one way and someone go another

493
00:26:11,560 –> 00:26:13,640
after talking it through with an
Angel.

494
00:26:14,440 –> 00:26:18,480
Is it like, what about, is it
something that maybe perhaps

495
00:26:18,480 –> 00:26:19,880
younger, it was something you
feared?

496
00:26:19,920 –> 00:26:22,240
Is that if that’s an appropriate
term to use?

497
00:26:23,040 –> 00:26:25,760
Because for some, for a lot of
people, it’s still, it’s an

498
00:26:25,760 –> 00:26:29,080
intimidating topic.
Yeah, I’m actually probably on

499
00:26:29,080 –> 00:26:34,080
the wrong side of this.
Like I think that I’ve never

500
00:26:34,080 –> 00:26:38,880
feared enough in a way.
And I know that sounds wrong.

501
00:26:38,880 –> 00:26:42,280
Like we’re now in like a lot of
people encourage us to don’t

502
00:26:42,280 –> 00:26:45,160
fear the judgement seat, but
there obviously is something to

503
00:26:45,160 –> 00:26:49,160
fear about the judgement seat.
Rejection is a scary thing, but

504
00:26:49,160 –> 00:26:53,880
I funnily enough, have never
considered it enough to like

505
00:26:53,880 –> 00:26:56,080
really be terrified or fearful
at the thought.

506
00:26:56,080 –> 00:26:59,720
Whereas I know I’ve talked to
other people and I’ve talked to

507
00:26:59,720 –> 00:27:03,040
Annie, my sister, that was like
always her probably biggest fear

508
00:27:03,040 –> 00:27:04,360
when she was young.
It was rejection at the

509
00:27:04,360 –> 00:27:05,600
judgement seat.
It just wasn’t something that

510
00:27:05,600 –> 00:27:09,720
was in my consciousness.
But I think there is there is

511
00:27:09,720 –> 00:27:13,240
some level of fear that we are
told from various Bible quotes

512
00:27:13,240 –> 00:27:16,800
that people do have for for the
judgement seat.

513
00:27:17,800 –> 00:27:20,520
Do you feel then that your
perception has changed and over

514
00:27:20,520 –> 00:27:23,160
time, or it’s almost been
strengthened by what you already

515
00:27:23,160 –> 00:27:25,800
know?
Probably a little bit changed

516
00:27:25,920 –> 00:27:29,560
over time, yeah.
But like, there’s, there’s some

517
00:27:29,560 –> 00:27:32,240
details like of the stuff that I
was just talking about that

518
00:27:32,560 –> 00:27:36,080
definitely we, we don’t have any
biblical basis for.

519
00:27:36,080 –> 00:27:38,120
So my perception of the
judgement seat has probably

520
00:27:38,120 –> 00:27:41,320
become more pared back just to
the bare bones of what we do

521
00:27:41,320 –> 00:27:43,960
know.
And the rest we’ll find out, I

522
00:27:44,000 –> 00:27:45,280
think.
Amazing.

523
00:27:45,600 –> 00:27:47,920
Yeah.
Did you feel yourself having to

524
00:27:47,920 –> 00:27:51,200
sort of because you said you did
it for a youth group talk, did

525
00:27:51,200 –> 00:27:56,160
you feel yourself having to sort
of censor to a degree or you

526
00:27:56,160 –> 00:28:01,160
just told them straight, but
this is what the judgement is.

527
00:28:01,160 –> 00:28:04,920
This is what the Bible tells us.
Yeah, I didn’t feel like I have

528
00:28:04,920 –> 00:28:07,320
to censor.
I’d really probably censor what

529
00:28:07,320 –> 00:28:10,400
I say enough.
The thing that I actually

530
00:28:10,400 –> 00:28:13,160
focused on it could have, it
could have been like a multi

531
00:28:13,160 –> 00:28:15,120
part series, but it was just one
youth group.

532
00:28:15,120 –> 00:28:17,720
And I think the thing I really
wanted to get across that was

533
00:28:17,720 –> 00:28:20,400
eye opening to me was the
purpose of the judgement seat.

534
00:28:20,720 –> 00:28:24,240
Because that’s one of the big
questions, it seems when when if

535
00:28:24,240 –> 00:28:26,080
you were to pose the question
like what’s the purpose of the

536
00:28:26,080 –> 00:28:27,960
judgement seat, it’d seem
obvious.

537
00:28:28,120 –> 00:28:32,560
Like it would you’d say to
separate the righteous from the

538
00:28:32,560 –> 00:28:35,360
unrighteous.
Sure, that’s like definitely the

539
00:28:35,360 –> 00:28:40,880
main objective, but why do we go
about why does Christ God go

540
00:28:40,880 –> 00:28:42,560
about it in the way that he
does?

541
00:28:42,880 –> 00:28:46,360
Because there’s a lot of quotes
that mention things like giving

542
00:28:46,360 –> 00:28:48,200
account at the judgement seat of
Christ.

543
00:28:48,200 –> 00:28:51,000
Why do we have to give account?
Why does anyone have to give

544
00:28:51,000 –> 00:28:53,320
some sort of account?
Isn’t it gives you like a

545
00:28:53,320 –> 00:28:56,640
courtroom type setting where you
got your lawyers on one side and

546
00:28:56,640 –> 00:29:04,400
you’re trying to justify
yourself And why is there like

547
00:29:04,960 –> 00:29:07,680
different questions?
Why do we go through our works?

548
00:29:07,680 –> 00:29:09,960
If that’s a picture that we have
of the judgement seat when we

549
00:29:09,960 –> 00:29:13,440
say that we’re saved by grace
and not works.

550
00:29:14,280 –> 00:29:19,440
So the purpose then I think and
my favorite quote that I now go

551
00:29:19,440 –> 00:29:23,360
to or the a pair of quotes I go
to in on that front is Romans

552
00:29:23,360 –> 00:29:27,240
14.
There’s quite a lot about the

553
00:29:27,240 –> 00:29:31,040
judgement seat, which made a
challenging study in itself

554
00:29:31,040 –> 00:29:34,600
because it’s it’s sort of spread
all over the place.

555
00:29:34,600 –> 00:29:37,040
There’s no one going here for
the judgement seat.

556
00:29:37,040 –> 00:29:45,120
But Romans 14 verse 10 to 12, I
think are the ones that the

557
00:29:45,120 –> 00:29:47,120
verses that I really like to
pick it up.

558
00:29:47,920 –> 00:29:50,600
Why does that judge?
So the context is like weak and

559
00:29:50,600 –> 00:29:55,280
strong brother, but that’s also
kind of a can stand alone

560
00:29:55,280 –> 00:29:56,920
outside the context of it as
well.

561
00:29:57,240 –> 00:30:00,600
It does say, for we must, we
shall all stand before the

562
00:30:00,600 –> 00:30:03,160
judgement seat of Christ.
For it is written, as I live,

563
00:30:03,160 –> 00:30:05,840
saith the Lord, every knee shall
bow to me, and every tongue

564
00:30:05,840 –> 00:30:08,520
shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall

565
00:30:08,520 –> 00:30:13,440
give account of himself to God.
So there it says, as I live,

566
00:30:13,520 –> 00:30:16,040
every knee shall bow to me, and
every tongue confess to God.

567
00:30:16,360 –> 00:30:21,880
It’s quoted from Isaiah 45 and
I’ve never really made that

568
00:30:21,880 –> 00:30:24,520
connection before that it’s
comes from Isaiah 45.

569
00:30:24,520 –> 00:30:30,640
But I love the way Paul often
just throws in and a quote

570
00:30:30,640 –> 00:30:35,240
reverse and the context actually
unlocks what he’s saying even

571
00:30:35,240 –> 00:30:37,680
more than just the verse that he
picks.

572
00:30:37,680 –> 00:30:42,280
Because if you go to the next
verse in Isaiah 45, so Isaiah

573
00:30:42,280 –> 00:30:48,200
4523 says the whole context is a
judgement seat picture because

574
00:30:48,200 –> 00:30:50,920
it says assemble yourselves and
come draw near together.

575
00:30:50,920 –> 00:30:53,960
The ye that are escaped to the
nations, which is us we’re we’re

576
00:30:53,960 –> 00:30:56,720
escaped out of the nations.
That’s verse 20.

577
00:30:56,720 –> 00:31:02,840
But then verse 2322 look unto me
and be saved all the ends of the

578
00:31:02,840 –> 00:31:05,440
earth, for I am a God, I’m God,
and there is none else.

579
00:31:05,920 –> 00:31:08,880
And verse 23 is the verse that
pull quotes.

580
00:31:08,880 –> 00:31:11,640
I’ve sworn by myself, the word
is gone out of my mouth in

581
00:31:11,640 –> 00:31:14,680
righteousness, and shall not
return that unto me every knee

582
00:31:14,680 –> 00:31:18,920
shall bow, every tongue confess.
For what purpose verse 24 says,

583
00:31:18,920 –> 00:31:22,600
surely shall one say in the Lord
have thy righteousness and

584
00:31:22,600 –> 00:31:27,120
strength even to him shall men
come and all that are incensed

585
00:31:27,120 –> 00:31:31,240
against him shall be ashamed.
So the purpose of the judgement

586
00:31:31,240 –> 00:31:34,880
state then in my mind the the
shortened version after all of

587
00:31:34,880 –> 00:31:41,360
that rambling is that someone
can say, surely in Yahweh have

588
00:31:41,360 –> 00:31:44,560
thy righteousness and strength.
It’s not mine, it’s not anything

589
00:31:44,560 –> 00:31:46,800
of me.
So the whole process that builds

590
00:31:46,800 –> 00:31:50,240
up to that has to get us to the
point where we go like genuinely

591
00:31:50,240 –> 00:31:53,440
with all our heart and soul
realize, yeah, I’m nothing.

592
00:31:53,680 –> 00:31:56,400
We say that now we know that’s
where we need to get.

593
00:31:56,400 –> 00:31:59,520
But are we truly there in in our
heart?

594
00:31:59,520 –> 00:32:04,120
Have we got to the point where
we go only in God do I have

595
00:32:04,120 –> 00:32:06,520
righteousness and strength.
And those that aren’t prepared

596
00:32:06,520 –> 00:32:10,320
to say that all those that are
incensed against him that would

597
00:32:10,320 –> 00:32:13,440
be ashamed.
Well, that would be those that

598
00:32:14,320 –> 00:32:15,760
have weeping and gnashing of
teeth.

599
00:32:16,520 –> 00:32:19,680
Yeah, that’s such a good point
actually, because like I think

600
00:32:19,680 –> 00:32:23,360
about George and I was speaking
about this before the show

601
00:32:23,360 –> 00:32:27,840
started about how it feels at
times up and and not to take

602
00:32:27,840 –> 00:32:29,880
anything like away from God’s
master plan.

603
00:32:29,880 –> 00:32:32,640
But it feels like an our current
day and age that it feels like

604
00:32:32,640 –> 00:32:36,280
an old wives tale of the Bible,
the story of it God, because our

605
00:32:36,280 –> 00:32:39,720
society is so modern and new.
It seems like so different from

606
00:32:39,720 –> 00:32:43,880
like God’s plan and purpose.
But that whole point of it being

607
00:32:43,880 –> 00:32:47,560
like man has to recognize his
position before God.

608
00:32:48,080 –> 00:32:49,920
That is such a great point
because it’s so hard even as

609
00:32:49,920 –> 00:32:52,640
Bible believers just to stay
humble, like to have that humble

610
00:32:52,640 –> 00:32:56,400
and contrite spirit.
It’s like it feels so

611
00:32:56,400 –> 00:32:59,240
challenging because the more you
do think about it, the more you

612
00:32:59,240 –> 00:33:01,200
can always think like it’s the
opposite.

613
00:33:01,200 –> 00:33:02,720
Like you think you’re humble,
you’re not.

614
00:33:03,120 –> 00:33:05,760
And so it’s like it’s, it’s
almost impossible to get to that

615
00:33:05,760 –> 00:33:09,000
point of recognizing.
And it’s that similar to in

616
00:33:09,320 –> 00:33:13,160
Exodus when Moses goes before or
when God speaks to Moses, the

617
00:33:13,160 –> 00:33:17,760
whole plan of the Exodus was to
know that that they shall know

618
00:33:17,840 –> 00:33:20,600
that I am God.
And like his power was actually

619
00:33:20,600 –> 00:33:23,760
demonstrated in the earth.
And it’s that same ideas that

620
00:33:23,800 –> 00:33:27,520
God had to bring Pharaoh and
Egypt to its knees through such

621
00:33:27,520 –> 00:33:29,280
a disastrous event.
And obviously the judgement

622
00:33:29,280 –> 00:33:33,760
isn’t as playwritten as that,
but it’s the same like attitude

623
00:33:33,760 –> 00:33:38,200
and the same idea of knowing
God, that we have to know

624
00:33:38,200 –> 00:33:41,080
opposition before God’s throne.
100% yeah.

625
00:33:41,280 –> 00:33:43,840
There’s the purpose of the
judgement seat is no different

626
00:33:43,840 –> 00:33:45,520
to the rest of the purpose of
God with the earth.

627
00:33:45,560 –> 00:33:50,120
It’s to bring, it’s to make man
humble and God’s glory shine.

628
00:33:50,120 –> 00:33:51,560
It’s to fill the earth with his
glory.

629
00:33:52,440 –> 00:33:57,640
And if any man, any person got
into the judgement seat without

630
00:33:57,640 –> 00:34:00,160
first sorry, got into the
Kingdom or gained immortality

631
00:34:00,160 –> 00:34:03,440
without first recognizing that
only in God, our righteousness

632
00:34:03,440 –> 00:34:06,600
and strength, then there’s some
bit of man’s glory in there.

633
00:34:06,840 –> 00:34:09,080
But that has to be removed.
That’s true.

634
00:34:10,239 –> 00:34:14,480
Yeah, I’ve heard.
Excuse me, the judgement has

635
00:34:14,480 –> 00:34:19,440
almost been this final, this
final testing phase, if that’s

636
00:34:19,480 –> 00:34:22,159
the right word for it.
But yeah, that that final

637
00:34:22,440 –> 00:34:27,679
proving the final going through
the fire in a sense to to say,

638
00:34:27,679 –> 00:34:31,120
because, you know, the Bible
says no flesh shall glorify

639
00:34:31,120 –> 00:34:34,440
themselves before me.
It’s almost like that final

640
00:34:36,000 –> 00:34:38,520
appreciation, that final
humility, because I think, you

641
00:34:38,520 –> 00:34:43,239
know, in our lives today, it’s
quite difficult to submit

642
00:34:43,239 –> 00:34:46,639
ourselves before God.
Because I think the thing about

643
00:34:46,639 –> 00:34:50,760
the judgement said is everything
will be quite will be open and

644
00:34:50,760 –> 00:34:54,639
honest with with God before God.
And it’ll be very physical and

645
00:34:54,639 –> 00:34:56,600
visual.
And it’s almost like it’s this

646
00:34:56,600 –> 00:35:00,400
final testing the triangle of
our faith.

647
00:35:00,760 –> 00:35:06,560
Yeah, the there’s no, like when
Christ returns, there’s nothing

648
00:35:06,560 –> 00:35:10,360
you can do to change whether
you’ll be in the Kingdom or not.

649
00:35:10,680 –> 00:35:13,520
But there’s further character
affinement that can definitely

650
00:35:13,520 –> 00:35:16,640
be done.
Like we’re not, we’re not all

651
00:35:16,640 –> 00:35:20,960
those people who are transformed
people and ready for the the

652
00:35:20,960 –> 00:35:24,520
Kingdom of God or, sorry, ready
for Christ’s return and not

653
00:35:24,520 –> 00:35:26,440
necessarily ready for the
Kingdom of God.

654
00:35:26,600 –> 00:35:29,000
There’s a there’s a process that
still needs to be developed to

655
00:35:29,000 –> 00:35:30,520
be brought through the through
the fire.

656
00:35:30,720 –> 00:35:31,720
Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.

657
00:35:32,360 –> 00:35:35,160
Good point.
Do you find this topic because

658
00:35:35,160 –> 00:35:38,720
it’s so like it’s so hard to
implement this topic into like a

659
00:35:38,720 –> 00:35:41,640
daily life like it’s so hard to
be like thinking about Oh yeah,

660
00:35:41,640 –> 00:35:43,520
judgement.
Say, you know, going down

661
00:35:43,520 –> 00:35:47,480
Grenfell St. on your way to work
because it’s such like it

662
00:35:47,480 –> 00:35:51,320
because it’s and it’s the return
of Christ stage.

663
00:35:52,040 –> 00:35:55,360
Do you ever feel, have you being
able to think about that and

664
00:35:55,360 –> 00:35:57,800
like meditate on some of the
things that you’ve studied in

665
00:35:57,800 –> 00:35:59,760
this, in this passage during
your days?

666
00:35:59,920 –> 00:36:02,640
Yeah, yeah, there’s probably two
things that have actually been

667
00:36:02,640 –> 00:36:07,080
one of the more life changing
studies that I’ve done out of

668
00:36:07,080 –> 00:36:13,280
this.
One is that we know that God

669
00:36:13,280 –> 00:36:16,120
says that all the work, the
hidden works of darkness and all

670
00:36:16,120 –> 00:36:21,880
the councils of the heart will
be revealed, and also that at

671
00:36:21,880 –> 00:36:23,920
every man’s work will be made
manifest.

672
00:36:23,920 –> 00:36:27,080
So at the judgement seat,
everyone will be shown for what

673
00:36:27,080 –> 00:36:29,800
they really are and every single
work will be shown, whether it

674
00:36:29,800 –> 00:36:32,800
was a work that should be burned
up or whether it was a work that

675
00:36:32,800 –> 00:36:35,320
was tried.
And that comes down to what was

676
00:36:35,320 –> 00:36:38,720
in the councils of the heart.
So that’s the first thing on a

677
00:36:38,720 –> 00:36:44,680
practical point of view, if you
think, did I say already the

678
00:36:44,680 –> 00:36:47,760
quote like some men’s sins go
beforehand, whereas others.

679
00:36:48,280 –> 00:36:50,520
Yeah, so there’s that quote as
well.

680
00:36:50,880 –> 00:36:53,720
Some men’s sins go beforehand
and others go after judgement.

681
00:36:53,720 –> 00:36:58,040
I think it’s first Timothy 5.
That basically means some people

682
00:36:58,440 –> 00:37:01,360
will be shown for what they are.
Some people’s sins will be

683
00:37:01,360 –> 00:37:06,080
exposed here and now.
And that’s a, we know of that

684
00:37:06,080 –> 00:37:09,200
happening in our, like in our
circles in Christadelphia

685
00:37:09,600 –> 00:37:10,920
people.
There’s some people who’ve done

686
00:37:10,920 –> 00:37:14,200
horrible things, but they come
back from that.

687
00:37:15,440 –> 00:37:17,720
But I almost imagined they’ve
got, they’re going to have an

688
00:37:17,720 –> 00:37:20,240
easier time at judgement because
we’ve all got those things that

689
00:37:20,480 –> 00:37:22,200
we hide.
There’s the hidden counsels of

690
00:37:22,200 –> 00:37:24,560
the heart.
And it’s just means that it’s

691
00:37:24,560 –> 00:37:27,480
going to be a bit of a rougher
burning stage for the rest of

692
00:37:27,480 –> 00:37:29,680
us.
Some of them have kind of gone

693
00:37:29,680 –> 00:37:31,560
through that humiliation process
now.

694
00:37:32,120 –> 00:37:34,200
Yeah, that’s such a good point.
I’ve never even thought about

695
00:37:34,200 –> 00:37:37,600
that sort of thing before.
Yeah, because someone said to me

696
00:37:37,800 –> 00:37:40,960
the other day that the judgement
say isn’t about humiliating us,

697
00:37:41,720 –> 00:37:44,080
but I actually would disagree
with that and say it is about

698
00:37:44,080 –> 00:37:47,440
humiliating us.
We’re meant to be made

699
00:37:47,680 –> 00:37:51,640
absolutely humble.
It’s that’s and it sounds like

700
00:37:52,280 –> 00:37:56,320
it’s different from belittling,
but it’s humiliating.

701
00:37:57,320 –> 00:38:00,440
And the second practical thing,
the more more practical thing

702
00:38:00,440 –> 00:38:04,200
I’d say that I’ve learned is
that that means that there are

703
00:38:04,200 –> 00:38:06,640
hidden things that I probably
don’t even realise that I’ve

704
00:38:06,640 –> 00:38:09,000
done wrong.
That when I come to the

705
00:38:09,000 –> 00:38:11,800
judgement seat and you know,
whatever the judgement process

706
00:38:11,800 –> 00:38:14,960
is exactly, whether that
involves an Angel or Christ

707
00:38:15,200 –> 00:38:19,640
exposing my works, there’ll
probably be things that he says

708
00:38:19,640 –> 00:38:22,640
that I was like, whoa, I just
did that without thinking.

709
00:38:22,640 –> 00:38:26,200
That’s wrong, that’s immoral.
And that process has led me to

710
00:38:26,200 –> 00:38:30,040
think and self examine a lot
more about everything I do.

711
00:38:30,080 –> 00:38:32,520
Things like everyday things that
I do.

712
00:38:33,120 –> 00:38:36,000
Maybe speeding or, you know,
jumping in the car and not

713
00:38:36,000 –> 00:38:39,080
putting a seat belt on, like
driving down the street before

714
00:38:39,080 –> 00:38:41,960
putting it on.
Or like using someone else’s

715
00:38:41,960 –> 00:38:44,400
Netflix or downloading audio
things.

716
00:38:44,720 –> 00:38:47,480
Yeah, downloading audio books
for free or like watching movies

717
00:38:47,480 –> 00:38:50,600
on free websites.
That’s that’s stealing and it

718
00:38:50,600 –> 00:38:53,440
doesn’t matter like, and
there’ll be things like that I

719
00:38:53,440 –> 00:38:56,120
haven’t thought of, Yeah.
Because we just, we justify it

720
00:38:56,120 –> 00:38:57,720
where it’s like, oh, it doesn’t
even mean anything.

721
00:38:57,720 –> 00:38:59,600
No one would care.
Exactly because it sort.

722
00:38:59,600 –> 00:39:01,400
Of works in the opposite way I’m
in.

723
00:39:01,560 –> 00:39:06,000
Places like Matthew tell us that
the people who did good before

724
00:39:06,360 –> 00:39:09,560
Jesus Christ and who were judged
accordingly said they didn’t

725
00:39:09,560 –> 00:39:11,840
even realise they were doing
them, it was just a way of life

726
00:39:11,840 –> 00:39:13,760
for them.
So yeah, it makes sense that

727
00:39:13,760 –> 00:39:15,760
almost the opposite is true as
well.

728
00:39:15,880 –> 00:39:18,240
Yeah, so I’d say that’s the big
thing.

729
00:39:18,320 –> 00:39:21,200
I’ve probably more carefully
self examined a lot of the

730
00:39:21,200 –> 00:39:23,760
things that I do and not just
glossed over them.

731
00:39:24,120 –> 00:39:26,880
Being like this is exactly the
sort of thing that Christ will

732
00:39:27,080 –> 00:39:30,560
go, no, you’re doing this, We’re
not just going to gloss over

733
00:39:30,560 –> 00:39:32,360
that.
You do need to realize before

734
00:39:32,360 –> 00:39:34,640
you’re made immortal that that’s
not an acceptable.

735
00:39:34,640 –> 00:39:35,920
Practice.
That’s true, yeah.

736
00:39:36,280 –> 00:39:38,000
Yeah.
And that would, I feel like

737
00:39:38,000 –> 00:39:40,240
that’s actually a comforting
thing because you’re learning if

738
00:39:40,240 –> 00:39:44,720
you are able to acknowledge
those habitual sins of speeding

739
00:39:44,720 –> 00:39:48,440
or using someone else’s Netflix
password or, or whatever it is,

740
00:39:49,680 –> 00:39:52,000
it it brings you to that.
It’s like it makes you almost

741
00:39:52,000 –> 00:39:54,200
reshape your thinking where
you’re like, oh, that is

742
00:39:54,200 –> 00:39:56,400
actually bad.
And that teaches you that

743
00:39:56,400 –> 00:39:59,360
humility.
I’d, I’d suggest maybe like at

744
00:39:59,360 –> 00:40:01,400
an earlier stage than than what
it could be.

745
00:40:01,680 –> 00:40:03,640
And so it’s kind of like a
positive thing because like when

746
00:40:03,640 –> 00:40:06,440
you go on a Sunday morning or,
you know, when you do the bread

747
00:40:06,440 –> 00:40:08,600
and the wine and you examine
yourself, you’ve now got these

748
00:40:08,600 –> 00:40:10,840
things where you’re like, these
are some more things I can work

749
00:40:10,840 –> 00:40:12,160
on.
And you you become before the

750
00:40:12,160 –> 00:40:14,600
cross.
Before Christ’s body even more

751
00:40:14,600 –> 00:40:18,000
in depth, because one thing I’ve
got run in my margin, especially

752
00:40:18,000 –> 00:40:21,560
on Sunday or when it comes to
self examination, is the like

753
00:40:21,560 –> 00:40:23,640
the more you sin, the more
you’re forgiven.

754
00:40:23,960 –> 00:40:26,800
Hence the more you love because
you’ve been getting forgiven

755
00:40:26,800 –> 00:40:30,640
this massive amount of way.
And the more you can acknowledge

756
00:40:30,640 –> 00:40:32,560
that you do wrong, the more you
should actually love.

757
00:40:32,560 –> 00:40:35,520
And it’s actually like it’s a an
optimistic thing in the way.

758
00:40:35,520 –> 00:40:37,400
It’s like you’re able to
acknowledge where it’s wrong.

759
00:40:37,400 –> 00:40:39,400
And because of that, it’s like,
how good is this that you’ve got

760
00:40:39,400 –> 00:40:40,680
to help out of it.
Yeah.

761
00:40:41,040 –> 00:40:45,200
Yeah, exactly.
Because I sort of from, from my

762
00:40:45,200 –> 00:40:48,600
own perspective, the judgement
seat has been, and you know,

763
00:40:48,600 –> 00:40:51,800
This is why I feel people said
it’s going to take forever to go

764
00:40:51,800 –> 00:40:53,960
through the judgement because
everyone’s sin is going to be

765
00:40:53,960 –> 00:40:57,440
exposed.
But it’s never sat right with

766
00:40:57,440 –> 00:40:59,600
me.
If we confess our sins and

767
00:40:59,600 –> 00:41:02,640
believe our sins are forgiven
in, in this life, we’ll pray

768
00:41:02,640 –> 00:41:06,520
judgement, then why does God or
the Angel, whoever it might be,

769
00:41:07,200 –> 00:41:10,600
bring up those sins again when
God has said, you know, in the

770
00:41:10,600 –> 00:41:14,160
Psalms, I’ve separated you from
your sins as far as the aces

771
00:41:14,160 –> 00:41:17,240
from the West?
Is that how you would explain

772
00:41:17,240 –> 00:41:20,600
that then, That there are all
these unconscious sins that we

773
00:41:20,600 –> 00:41:23,800
don’t even think about and they
will be part of the judgement

774
00:41:23,800 –> 00:41:26,480
process?
Yeah, I, I think so.

775
00:41:26,520 –> 00:41:28,400
That’s going to I think that’s a
large part of it because like

776
00:41:28,400 –> 00:41:33,760
you say, God’s forgiven us.
If if we had forgiven someone

777
00:41:33,760 –> 00:41:36,680
and then later we were like, oh,
yeah, now I’m just ordering my

778
00:41:36,680 –> 00:41:39,000
friends.
I’m like saying which one’s a

779
00:41:39,000 –> 00:41:40,320
real?
Oh, no, he did that thing to me.

780
00:41:40,320 –> 00:41:41,960
Well, you didn’t forgive him
then, right.

781
00:41:43,320 –> 00:41:45,400
So I do agree.
If it’s a forgiven sin, it

782
00:41:45,400 –> 00:41:49,280
doesn’t really make sense to me
to be brought up at all when

783
00:41:49,280 –> 00:41:51,760
he’s as far as he exists from
the West.

784
00:41:52,200 –> 00:41:55,960
There may be some that we think
we’ve confessed and ask

785
00:41:55,960 –> 00:41:58,520
forgiveness for that that
forgiveness was perhaps selfish.

786
00:41:58,520 –> 00:42:01,600
More than that request or
repentance was more selfish than

787
00:42:01,600 –> 00:42:03,840
genuine.
And we need to be called out for

788
00:42:03,840 –> 00:42:07,320
that, to be brought low, to be
made into nothing, to get to the

789
00:42:07,320 –> 00:42:10,640
point where we go no OK in
righteousness, in God only have

790
00:42:10,640 –> 00:42:13,480
our righteousness and strength.
Yeah, because you can think

791
00:42:13,480 –> 00:42:16,840
about at the time of Christ is
that attitude.

792
00:42:17,040 –> 00:42:19,200
I think that like it’s sort of
similar.

793
00:42:19,200 –> 00:42:21,440
That makes me think of prayer.
It’s like God already knows the

794
00:42:21,440 –> 00:42:24,720
things that we’re going to bring
to him in prayer before we say

795
00:42:24,720 –> 00:42:28,400
it, but he wants to see that
willing spirit to, to have that

796
00:42:28,400 –> 00:42:30,760
humility and to bring it before
God and acknowledge your

797
00:42:30,760 –> 00:42:34,040
position of like, I can’t do
this, it’s out of my control,

798
00:42:34,040 –> 00:42:37,840
but I know you can.
And I think in a similar sort of

799
00:42:37,840 –> 00:42:39,960
way, it that helps with this
sort of thing as well, because

800
00:42:39,960 –> 00:42:43,040
it’s, you’re bringing yourself
before God, before Christ,

801
00:42:43,040 –> 00:42:46,280
asking for forgiveness.
And it’s that attitude of pure

802
00:42:46,760 –> 00:42:50,160
underlying humiliation.
And you’re, yeah, you’re kind

803
00:42:50,160 –> 00:42:54,120
of, you know, your position.
And that’s such a hard thing to

804
00:42:54,120 –> 00:42:55,400
do.
Like we were saying before, like

805
00:42:56,840 –> 00:42:59,360
to know your position and all of
a sudden be like, oh, what I’m

806
00:42:59,360 –> 00:43:03,080
actually doing is wrong because
that human pride can get in the

807
00:43:03,080 –> 00:43:04,720
way.
And it just stops us from

808
00:43:04,920 –> 00:43:06,520
recognizing what we’re doing is
bad.

809
00:43:06,800 –> 00:43:11,120
Yeah, and I think we also often
focus a lot on like, you know,

810
00:43:11,160 –> 00:43:13,920
the bad things and like all
those being called out.

811
00:43:13,920 –> 00:43:17,080
But every man’s work we made
manifest for what it is.

812
00:43:17,080 –> 00:43:20,520
So those people like the sheep
or the judgement seat will be

813
00:43:20,840 –> 00:43:22,920
called out for their good work,
which is a positive thing to

814
00:43:22,920 –> 00:43:25,280
think about, that there’ll be
good works that we never realise

815
00:43:25,280 –> 00:43:27,720
we did, which you mentioned
earlier.

816
00:43:28,720 –> 00:43:32,960
And that made me question like,
what’s the value of that?

817
00:43:32,960 –> 00:43:37,480
If the point was all about God’s
righteousness and then you’ve

818
00:43:37,480 –> 00:43:40,960
gone and praise someone for
something they did, is that not

819
00:43:40,960 –> 00:43:43,440
like giving glory to them?
It feels like it’s going against

820
00:43:43,440 –> 00:43:47,400
the purpose of the judgement
seat, but those people didn’t

821
00:43:47,400 –> 00:43:51,000
weren’t even aware of that.
And the fact that it’s called

822
00:43:51,000 –> 00:43:54,680
out as a good work that is
glorifying God shows that

823
00:43:55,000 –> 00:43:57,960
everything that they do is
putting God first and it’s

824
00:43:57,960 –> 00:44:00,680
actually showing God’s
righteousness in another person.

825
00:44:00,920 –> 00:44:02,840
It’s not building up their
pride.

826
00:44:03,120 –> 00:44:06,080
There’s the balance of, you
know, there’s the things you’ve

827
00:44:06,080 –> 00:44:08,400
done wrong, but these are the
things that really captured

828
00:44:08,400 –> 00:44:10,160
God’s glory.
And all the world gets to see

829
00:44:10,160 –> 00:44:14,800
God’s glory shown in you, which
is a positive thing to think

830
00:44:14,800 –> 00:44:16,280
about as well.
Yeah.

831
00:44:16,960 –> 00:44:21,040
So I guess getting to the bones
of it then when you did this

832
00:44:21,080 –> 00:44:25,600
personal study for yourself and
you looked at all the quotes in

833
00:44:25,600 –> 00:44:28,760
the Bible about what the Bible
actually says, what’s the

834
00:44:28,760 –> 00:44:32,880
picture that you were able to
conjure that you shared with the

835
00:44:32,880 –> 00:44:34,680
youth group?
And are you able to share that

836
00:44:34,680 –> 00:44:36,520
with us now?
Just the picture of the

837
00:44:36,520 –> 00:44:38,440
judgement bringing all these
verses together.

838
00:44:40,080 –> 00:44:44,720
I probably mostly focused on
that purpose of the judgement

839
00:44:44,720 –> 00:44:49,080
seat and the the, the meaning
that that has for us now rather

840
00:44:49,080 –> 00:44:51,360
than like picturing yourself
there.

841
00:44:52,120 –> 00:44:56,200
So it’s hard to give a really,
I’d struggle to give like a

842
00:44:56,200 –> 00:44:58,560
really good picture of it that
wasn’t dramatized.

843
00:44:58,560 –> 00:45:01,120
I think some of those dramatized
pictures are good for helping us

844
00:45:01,320 –> 00:45:04,680
imagine something, but there’s a
few details that I’d say, like I

845
00:45:04,680 –> 00:45:08,200
think the angels are involved in
some measure, the power of the

846
00:45:08,200 –> 00:45:11,040
tears, which is a which is about
judgement.

847
00:45:11,680 –> 00:45:15,560
Jesus says that the reapers, so
the servants of the household at

848
00:45:15,560 –> 00:45:17,280
first say, can we go and gather
up the tears?

849
00:45:17,280 –> 00:45:19,760
And he says, no, that’s a role
reserved for the angels.

850
00:45:19,760 –> 00:45:22,920
The reapers, they’re going to do
it and they’re going to separate

851
00:45:22,920 –> 00:45:25,520
it into barns.
There’s some, there’s certainly

852
00:45:25,520 –> 00:45:30,400
some role the angels play.
Matthew 25 when he comes and

853
00:45:30,400 –> 00:45:33,840
sits on his throne with all the
holy angels are with him and

854
00:45:33,840 –> 00:45:38,800
they separate sheep and goats.
So that’s I think a fairly good

855
00:45:38,800 –> 00:45:41,200
indicator that there’s going to
be Christ on a throne.

856
00:45:42,160 –> 00:45:45,280
People will come before him.
The word judgement seat is a

857
00:45:45,280 –> 00:45:50,000
word that’s used of Christ’s
judgement or of a literal

858
00:45:50,200 –> 00:45:53,400
judgement seat with like the one
of Gallio in Acts where they

859
00:45:53,400 –> 00:45:55,000
brought Paul before a judgement
seat.

860
00:45:55,000 –> 00:45:59,520
So that scene, that picture we
have, while I was challenged,

861
00:45:59,640 –> 00:46:03,000
challenged by initially, I think
I’ll sort of come back to a

862
00:46:03,000 –> 00:46:05,840
fairly traditional view of how
it works.

863
00:46:06,240 –> 00:46:09,320
I couldn’t say with any
confidence that it was at Sinai.

864
00:46:09,880 –> 00:46:13,240
There’s a couple of quotes that
say that the Saints March from

865
00:46:13,240 –> 00:46:16,480
Sinai when they take on go, but
that doesn’t necessarily mean

866
00:46:16,480 –> 00:46:19,920
that the judgement was there.
Yeah.

867
00:46:19,920 –> 00:46:23,360
So I say it’s a little bit
imperfect and I’ve still got

868
00:46:23,360 –> 00:46:26,040
more study to do here, but I
think there are some things that

869
00:46:26,040 –> 00:46:28,240
we can’t know and we do have to
fill in the gaps with our

870
00:46:28,240 –> 00:46:33,160
imaginations, which are less.
Yeah, I like how you did focus

871
00:46:33,160 –> 00:46:36,960
on sort of, I guess our attitude
towards it and what we think

872
00:46:36,960 –> 00:46:39,040
about now, because you think
about Matthew 25.

873
00:46:39,120 –> 00:46:42,680
And that’s been like the parable
of the talents, parable of the

874
00:46:42,680 –> 00:46:44,680
virgins and the sheep and the
goats.

875
00:46:44,680 –> 00:46:47,600
They’re all parable was in the
way of the judgement seat.

876
00:46:47,600 –> 00:46:50,120
Like you’ve got the master of
the house going away or the

877
00:46:50,120 –> 00:46:52,480
bride going away and then he’s
going to return at some point.

878
00:46:52,800 –> 00:46:56,880
But the focus of those first two
is all about like how we prepare

879
00:46:56,880 –> 00:46:59,480
ourselves in the time he’s gone.
Like in the parable of the

880
00:46:59,480 –> 00:47:02,720
virgins, you’ve obviously got
the five unwise who aren’t, who

881
00:47:02,720 –> 00:47:04,520
aren’t ready for it at all, and
then they’re locked out and

882
00:47:04,520 –> 00:47:08,120
they’re not allowed back in.
And the parable of the talents,

883
00:47:08,120 –> 00:47:10,720
you’ve got the one talent being
who, who saw God as just a

884
00:47:10,720 –> 00:47:14,560
completely or the master or the
father is a completely wrong man

885
00:47:14,920 –> 00:47:19,920
and just saw him as this scary
and and this wrathful God who

886
00:47:21,440 –> 00:47:23,520
who raped or what does it say
about he?

887
00:47:23,520 –> 00:47:27,000
You were a hard man.
Yeah, and and yeah, yeah,

888
00:47:27,000 –> 00:47:29,240
exactly.
And it’s an attitude of like

889
00:47:29,240 –> 00:47:32,320
that was like cast out, but it
was the attitude of putting what

890
00:47:32,320 –> 00:47:35,080
you’ve got now to good works.
And that was a thing that that

891
00:47:35,080 –> 00:47:36,960
Christ emphasized the people at
the time.

892
00:47:36,960 –> 00:47:38,960
Like that was the thing he
wanted them to be taken away

893
00:47:38,960 –> 00:47:42,160
with was like how you prepare
while I’m gone.

894
00:47:42,720 –> 00:47:45,160
Knowing that this is going to
happen is is ultimately the most

895
00:47:45,160 –> 00:47:47,680
important thing.
And it’s not what we’re getting

896
00:47:47,680 –> 00:47:49,960
judged on our works.
Obviously we understand that

897
00:47:49,960 –> 00:47:53,480
that’s like we’re not, it’s not
what we do physically.

898
00:47:53,480 –> 00:47:55,760
Like we’re good tick off.
You know, we understand that’s,

899
00:47:55,800 –> 00:47:59,440
that’s not quite how how it
works, but it’s the idea of like

900
00:47:59,440 –> 00:48:02,280
putting our best foot forward
and understanding that it’s not

901
00:48:02,280 –> 00:48:05,920
in our hands and that God saving
us for who we’re going to

902
00:48:05,920 –> 00:48:07,280
become.
And that starts with the

903
00:48:07,280 –> 00:48:09,600
transformations we take in our
lives each and every day.

904
00:48:10,440 –> 00:48:14,160
So I guess that’s another way in
which you can think about the

905
00:48:14,320 –> 00:48:16,640
the judgement, say in your day,
each and every life.

906
00:48:16,920 –> 00:48:18,840
Yeah.
Yeah, each and every day as

907
00:48:18,960 –> 00:48:21,280
opposed.
Yeah, yeah, that’s right.

908
00:48:22,640 –> 00:48:26,880
So it seems up there is you went
you alerted to Corinthians

909
00:48:27,000 –> 00:48:32,720
earlier and there’s obviously
different rewards post judgement

910
00:48:32,720 –> 00:48:35,560
as well.
So Corinthians talks about, you

911
00:48:35,560 –> 00:48:40,200
know, people whose works will be
wood, hay, stubble, gold and

912
00:48:40,200 –> 00:48:45,000
then following the judgement.
I mean, we’re all given eternal

913
00:48:45,000 –> 00:48:47,640
life if we’re all accepted as
part of God’s Kingdom.

914
00:48:49,680 –> 00:48:53,680
Jesus talks about how the 12
disciples would sit on 12

915
00:48:53,680 –> 00:48:57,560
Thrones judging the 12 tribes
over, which seems like a greater

916
00:48:58,200 –> 00:49:02,120
station than others and then
others will be door keepers and

917
00:49:02,120 –> 00:49:03,400
all these sorts of different
things.

918
00:49:03,680 –> 00:49:09,040
How do you, how do you sort of
explain that side of it as well?

919
00:49:09,760 –> 00:49:11,960
Did you look into that part of
it as well?

920
00:49:12,360 –> 00:49:15,880
Yeah, well, I think that First
Corinthians 3 is a really good

921
00:49:15,880 –> 00:49:19,880
one because it shows that no
matter what, in the end you’ve

922
00:49:19,880 –> 00:49:22,520
got all your works and all your
works themselves could be burned

923
00:49:22,520 –> 00:49:25,320
out.
But if you, if you with a

924
00:49:25,320 –> 00:49:28,360
genuine heart have built those
on the foundation of Jesus

925
00:49:28,360 –> 00:49:31,280
Christ, because it says the
foundation will still be left,

926
00:49:31,720 –> 00:49:35,160
then Christ, there will be a
place for you in the Kingdom.

927
00:49:35,200 –> 00:49:38,520
But the works that you do build
up throughout your life are an

928
00:49:38,520 –> 00:49:41,520
indicator as to the abilities
and talents that you’ve been

929
00:49:41,520 –> 00:49:44,920
given, I suppose.
And God will reward people

930
00:49:44,920 –> 00:49:48,680
according to their several
abilities, which is like quote,

931
00:49:49,360 –> 00:49:51,240
like like the power of the
talents and the power of the

932
00:49:51,240 –> 00:49:56,240
pounds indicates and will be
given a roll over 10 cities, I

933
00:49:56,240 –> 00:49:58,040
think.
And we can always trust in the

934
00:49:58,200 –> 00:49:59,920
complete wisdom of God.
There’s not going to be anyone

935
00:49:59,920 –> 00:50:02,320
who’s disgruntled with what
they’ve been given.

936
00:50:02,320 –> 00:50:06,720
Everyone will be given a role
that’s suited to them that is a

937
00:50:06,720 –> 00:50:12,360
reward for what they’ve done and
that God knows they’ll thrive in

938
00:50:12,360 –> 00:50:16,880
for eternity.
And that’s a pretty simple view

939
00:50:16,880 –> 00:50:18,960
of it as to what all of those
roles are.

940
00:50:19,320 –> 00:50:24,680
I mean, it’s some cool things
you could look into, but when I

941
00:50:24,720 –> 00:50:27,880
also don’t know whether that’s
exactly the stage at judgement

942
00:50:27,880 –> 00:50:31,960
seat or little like a roles are
given after the judgement seat

943
00:50:31,960 –> 00:50:34,840
after people have been sorted
into sheep and goats.

944
00:50:36,000 –> 00:50:38,200
Yeah, something to look into a
little more there too.

945
00:50:39,440 –> 00:50:42,520
Because I think, you know, when
it talks about, you know, you’re

946
00:50:42,520 –> 00:50:45,400
going to be kings as pray some
like do I fit into either a

947
00:50:45,400 –> 00:50:48,800
priestly role or a kingly role?
And it’s like, do I fit into

948
00:50:48,920 –> 00:50:51,400
either of them or none of them?
You’re looking pretty kingly on

949
00:50:51,400 –> 00:50:55,040
that couch.
Yeah.

950
00:50:55,080 –> 00:50:59,520
I mean, I suppose before we get
to your 3 rules for life much

951
00:50:59,520 –> 00:51:03,080
anticipated segment, is there
anything that you want to leave

952
00:51:03,080 –> 00:51:06,000
people with like in your study
that you learned that you might

953
00:51:06,040 –> 00:51:09,880
want to express?
Apart from the things I’ve said,

954
00:51:09,880 –> 00:51:13,360
I’d say one other thing that
people often bring up about this

955
00:51:13,360 –> 00:51:17,720
is fear of the judgement seat.
Actually fear the judgement seat

956
00:51:17,720 –> 00:51:20,160
or it should be something we
anticipate, look forward to.

957
00:51:20,960 –> 00:51:24,120
It’s very hard to answer that
question outright.

958
00:51:24,120 –> 00:51:26,520
Like if you have some fear of
the judgement seat, does that

959
00:51:26,520 –> 00:51:29,560
just mean that you’re not going
to be judged worthy?

960
00:51:31,600 –> 00:51:36,160
The but there are a few things
that we do know 1 is in First

961
00:51:36,160 –> 00:51:38,240
Corinthians, I think it’s First
Corinthians 4.

962
00:51:39,520 –> 00:51:42,760
Paul says it might be so
Corinthians 5, one of the two.

963
00:51:43,040 –> 00:51:47,280
Paul says that knowing therefore
the terror of the Lord we

964
00:51:47,280 –> 00:51:50,280
command men about this.
The immediately preceding verses

965
00:51:50,280 –> 00:51:54,480
were about the judgement seat so
that he acknowledges that there

966
00:51:54,480 –> 00:51:58,200
is a terror when it comes to
this, but he goes on.

967
00:51:58,200 –> 00:52:00,120
I actually I’m going to flip it
up because second.

968
00:52:00,400 –> 00:52:02,880
Corinthians 5, yeah. 2nd
Corinthians 5.

969
00:52:02,880 –> 00:52:07,000
Cool.
He goes on in the later verses

970
00:52:07,040 –> 00:52:12,160
to say, yeah, so he says Knowing
therefore the terror of the

971
00:52:12,160 –> 00:52:16,000
Lord, we persuade men, etcetera.
And he goes on talks a little

972
00:52:16,000 –> 00:52:19,240
bit more about giving occasion
to glory.

973
00:52:19,480 –> 00:52:23,160
But verse 14 then brings up that
the love of Christ constrains us

974
00:52:23,160 –> 00:52:25,960
because we thus judge that if
one died for all, then we’re all

975
00:52:25,960 –> 00:52:28,280
dead.
And you find a similar sentiment

976
00:52:28,280 –> 00:52:32,680
in first of John, the end of
first of John 4, where we come

977
00:52:32,680 –> 00:52:37,240
to the judgement seat of Christ
without fear, because perfect

978
00:52:37,240 –> 00:52:41,640
love casts out fear, right.
So the question is, should we

979
00:52:41,640 –> 00:52:45,480
have any fear?
Well, if we have perfect love,

980
00:52:45,480 –> 00:52:48,080
then no.
But would anyone claim to have

981
00:52:48,080 –> 00:52:51,040
perfect love in this life?
I expect not.

982
00:52:51,120 –> 00:52:53,520
It’s the it’s the end goal we
should reach.

983
00:52:53,840 –> 00:52:58,000
But there is the fact is that we
we have perfect love for God and

984
00:52:58,000 –> 00:52:59,320
we are not.
We acknowledge that he’s

985
00:52:59,320 –> 00:53:01,640
promised us this, but we doubt
ourselves.

986
00:53:01,920 –> 00:53:06,520
We doubt ourselves a little and
therefore we fear the outcome in

987
00:53:06,520 –> 00:53:08,000
the end.
That is a little bit of a doubt

988
00:53:08,000 –> 00:53:10,520
of God’s promise.
But we do, a lot of us do

989
00:53:10,520 –> 00:53:12,800
harbour that and there’s some
people who are really quite

990
00:53:12,800 –> 00:53:14,680
confident in it.
And that’s I think, a place that

991
00:53:14,680 –> 00:53:21,160
we should all strive to get to.
But rejection is a fearful thing

992
00:53:21,600 –> 00:53:26,480
and the words for like weeping
and gnashing of teeth are only

993
00:53:26,480 –> 00:53:31,280
used in context of judgement,
except for twice weeping.

994
00:53:31,360 –> 00:53:35,560
Whaling is used of one of those
times is of the mothers of

995
00:53:35,560 –> 00:53:37,280
Bethlehem who lost their
children.

996
00:53:37,320 –> 00:53:42,600
So it’s that’s like a mother’s
bond with a child and something

997
00:53:42,600 –> 00:53:45,000
that the three of us are never
going to experience, but is one

998
00:53:45,000 –> 00:53:47,480
of the strongest bonds in nature
that God’s ever created.

999
00:53:47,560 –> 00:53:52,160
And it’s broken.
So it’s a it’s a terrifying

1000
00:53:52,160 –> 00:53:53,840
thing.
And there’s always that little

1001
00:53:53,840 –> 00:53:55,720
niggling doubt that I don’t want
that to be me.

1002
00:53:56,760 –> 00:54:02,480
But if we have perfect love and
appreciate more so that God has

1003
00:54:02,480 –> 00:54:06,200
perfect love, realise that he
has promised us that he wants to

1004
00:54:06,200 –> 00:54:09,360
save us, then we can have
confidence that he will do it.

1005
00:54:09,960 –> 00:54:13,360
The rest just lies with us,
whether we examine our faith and

1006
00:54:13,360 –> 00:54:17,560
go, OK, I truly am all I.
All I am is for Christ.

1007
00:54:18,480 –> 00:54:20,240
Yeah, because it’s not that
belief in us, but it’s that

1008
00:54:20,240 –> 00:54:22,760
belief in God to save.
It’s got nothing to do with us.

1009
00:54:22,960 –> 00:54:25,800
And it was not super practical.
Sometimes it’s hard to put that

1010
00:54:25,800 –> 00:54:31,800
into really practical terms.
But yeah, it’s let’s not doubt

1011
00:54:31,800 –> 00:54:36,160
God, it’s the main thing.
And I think something that

1012
00:54:36,160 –> 00:54:39,840
struck me recently R.E.M.
Just before we wrap up shortly,

1013
00:54:40,200 –> 00:54:44,160
but looking at our life today
has been a training ground has

1014
00:54:44,760 –> 00:54:47,640
when I think about it, it’s sort
of life changing and I think

1015
00:54:47,640 –> 00:54:52,880
it’s training ground almost for
for judgement where you know,

1016
00:54:52,880 –> 00:54:55,360
Philippians talks about, you
know, the good work that God

1017
00:54:55,360 –> 00:54:58,240
started in us.
He will bring about, you know,

1018
00:54:58,680 –> 00:55:01,760
at the day of Christ’s return.
So it’s almost like this

1019
00:55:01,760 –> 00:55:04,000
judgement.
This final process is is the

1020
00:55:04,000 –> 00:55:07,080
culmination of everything that
we’ve done because we’ve been

1021
00:55:07,080 –> 00:55:10,360
preparing for all our lives.
And that’s why we should look at

1022
00:55:10,360 –> 00:55:14,440
this life is so transit train
everything that happens to us.

1023
00:55:14,440 –> 00:55:18,640
We can almost with with faith
anyway, sort of it’s ward off a

1024
00:55:18,640 –> 00:55:22,440
duck’s back almost because it’s
just training us for that time.

1025
00:55:22,440 –> 00:55:25,680
And like you were talking about
before, there are people who may

1026
00:55:25,680 –> 00:55:32,040
have suffered humiliation in
this life already and who are

1027
00:55:32,600 –> 00:55:38,040
perhaps going to feel, you know,
less of a burden than maybe

1028
00:55:38,040 –> 00:55:40,880
others who’ve hidden that in
their lives.

1029
00:55:41,000 –> 00:55:42,720
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that thought that

1030
00:55:42,720 –> 00:55:47,920
you finish like the judgement
seat is just the end of the

1031
00:55:47,920 –> 00:55:51,080
process that God started, but
there’s a lot more to be done.

1032
00:55:51,080 –> 00:55:53,880
That judgement seat, it’s almost
speed running what the rest of

1033
00:55:54,440 –> 00:55:57,160
our life would have taken to
develop in US.

1034
00:55:58,240 –> 00:56:00,840
But I guess this is the, this is
the crux, Josh.

1035
00:56:01,160 –> 00:56:02,720
This is our three rules for
life.

1036
00:56:02,720 –> 00:56:04,640
Do you want to get us started
with your first one?

1037
00:56:04,960 –> 00:56:08,120
Yeah, So my first one’s
unrelated to the topic or maybe

1038
00:56:08,120 –> 00:56:09,560
the last two related to the
topic.

1039
00:56:09,680 –> 00:56:11,400
That’s all good.
Perfect.

1040
00:56:12,040 –> 00:56:16,800
My first one is and so I’ve got
it on my phone home screen.

1041
00:56:16,840 –> 00:56:20,320
Always believe that others are a
work in progress, never give up

1042
00:56:20,320 –> 00:56:22,560
on them.
That’s the that’s the short

1043
00:56:22,560 –> 00:56:27,480
version.
In essence, we’re all just

1044
00:56:28,280 –> 00:56:31,640
desperately sick people with the
terminal disease that it that no

1045
00:56:31,640 –> 00:56:34,320
one, no human, has ever
survived, even Christ.

1046
00:56:34,320 –> 00:56:38,960
That’s mortality.
So to think that others are

1047
00:56:39,000 –> 00:56:43,800
beyond saving at any point is, I
think really, quite, really

1048
00:56:43,800 –> 00:56:46,600
quite wrong.
And if we always believe that

1049
00:56:46,600 –> 00:56:49,320
others are a work in progress,
we’ll treat them with compassion

1050
00:56:49,320 –> 00:56:52,440
and love and always be OK.
So they’ve done that Hurtful.

1051
00:56:52,440 –> 00:56:54,640
The thing that I could translate
is hurtful to me.

1052
00:56:54,800 –> 00:56:57,680
But instead, I’ll, I’ll go,
well, how can I help them?

1053
00:56:57,680 –> 00:57:01,040
They’re a work in progress.
And in a way that does relate to

1054
00:57:01,040 –> 00:57:03,000
what we were talking about
because we’re all, we have to

1055
00:57:03,000 –> 00:57:05,440
acknowledge that we’re all work
in progress for the judgement.

1056
00:57:05,440 –> 00:57:07,480
So.
Yeah, good little, good little

1057
00:57:07,960 –> 00:57:12,640
there.
The two that are actually rules,

1058
00:57:12,840 –> 00:57:15,760
probably two other rules for
life that I’d like to think of

1059
00:57:15,760 –> 00:57:21,120
anyway, but a judgement related
as well on the lines of like we

1060
00:57:21,120 –> 00:57:23,720
need to be made small and
realise how small and humble we

1061
00:57:23,720 –> 00:57:27,680
are.
First one is you have no rights

1062
00:57:28,720 –> 00:57:32,480
and the second one is you own
nothing interesting.

1063
00:57:33,920 –> 00:57:38,440
So to expand on that slightly,
because you pose A quizzical

1064
00:57:38,440 –> 00:57:41,160
look, right?
No, no, it’s it’s yeah, I like

1065
00:57:41,240 –> 00:57:41,920
it.
I like it.

1066
00:57:41,920 –> 00:57:45,120
A lot you have no, the only
right that we really have, the

1067
00:57:45,120 –> 00:57:50,720
only thing we deserve is death.
That’s the wages that we’ve that

1068
00:57:50,720 –> 00:57:52,920
we have been offered for our
sins.

1069
00:57:53,440 –> 00:57:57,440
But we’re given so much more.
So if we have a realisation that

1070
00:57:57,440 –> 00:58:00,600
we have no rights, anytime we
stand up for ourselves, it’s not

1071
00:58:00,600 –> 00:58:03,080
a humble, it’s not a humble
thing at all.

1072
00:58:03,520 –> 00:58:06,240
But we’ve got no rights.
We have nothing to stand up for

1073
00:58:07,400 –> 00:58:10,080
and the idea of owning nothing,
everything is God’s.

1074
00:58:10,080 –> 00:58:12,960
That’s pretty straightforward.
So anything we have sort of just

1075
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on loan until and we are the
stewards of God to decide what

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to do with it.
So it was.

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Always believe that others are a
work in progress.

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Never give up on them.
Yeah. #2.

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You have no rights.
And #3.

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You owe nothing.
Perfect.

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Thanks for coming in tonight,
Josh.

1082
00:58:32,240 –> 00:58:34,280
Yeah, thanks.
Thanks for wrapping that up.

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00:58:34,440 –> 00:58:38,400
It was quite a sobering topic,
but I think the love of Christ,

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00:58:39,160 –> 00:58:42,040
I think we it ended on a really
positive note.

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00:58:42,040 –> 00:58:45,880
So thanks for bringing it
positive and and reloading it

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back to to Christ and the love
that he had.

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For us, well, hopefully it ends
on a positive note for everyone.

1088
00:58:51,760 –> 00:58:54,320
Yeah, yeah, long term, right.
Yeah, no thanks heaps.

1089
00:58:54,360 –> 00:58:55,760
Josh, appreciate it.
Thanks heaps for having.

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Me So if you’ve got any
questions, feel free to leave

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them in the comments below.
And yeah, stay tuned for our

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next episode.
See you later guys.