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\nclass.
\nToday we got Romans 8 versus 12 <\/p>\n
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\nto 39 and can I get James
\nSimpson to come up please? <\/p>\n
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\nEven that James and have great
\npleasure in calling brother Ben <\/p>\n
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\nto do his study.
\nSuffer in the flesh for Christ’s<\/p>\n
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\nsake, and fulfill your
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\nAre we ready?
\nGood morning. <\/p>\n
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\nWell, young people, my dear
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\nI’m not sure.
\nIf I’ve fulfilled your <\/p>\n
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\nexpectations, but I think that
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\ndiscussion that we had earlier
\nthis week, didn’t we? <\/p>\n
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\nThe only one thing I’d request
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\nAnd I don’t know you and I have
\nget up here and I talk and blah <\/p>\n
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\nblah blah blah.
\nRight. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd then after the studies, you
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\nconversations with each other,
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\nBut I’d actually love to have
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\nI’d love.
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\nabout whether these studies mean
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\nTo you yet what you might find
\nthat was interesting. <\/p>\n
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\nTo reflect on your own personal
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\napply to things that you’re
\ndealing with, stresses in your <\/p>\n
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\nlife, things that you are
\nconcerned about, whether their <\/p>\n
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\nrelationships, where their
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\nwhether their friendships that
\nare happening or not happening <\/p>\n
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\nor stopped happening or anything
\nalong those lines. <\/p>\n
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\nThe application of your faith to
\nyour. <\/p>\n
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\nLife or just a chat Don’t feel
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\nAloof at all because I I
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\nyou and get to know you.
\nI’m going to be in New Zealand <\/p>\n
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\nfor a long time and I think
\nwe’re going to be friends for a <\/p>\n
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\nlong time, so you might as well
\nget to know each other. <\/p>\n
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\nSo I’d really appreciate that.
\nAnd by the way, this afternoon I<\/p>\n
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\nplan to kick your butt in
\nsports. <\/p>\n
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\nSo, you know, I mean, I might as
\nwell know you. <\/p>\n
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\nAfter I plow you.
\nOver in rugby, I can at least <\/p>\n
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\npull you up and say hi, you
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\nright?
\nBut then the real sport. <\/p>\n
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\nRight.
\nSo I guess we can start the <\/p>\n
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\nrecording now.
\nOur last class together, you <\/p>\n
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\nknow?
\nRomans 8 it’s. <\/p>\n
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\nA great chapter, isn’t it?
\nAny chapter that begins with no <\/p>\n
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\ncondemnation for those in Christ
\nJesus. <\/p>\n
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\nThat has to be a good chapter.
\nThat has to be a chapter worth <\/p>\n
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\nstudying.
\nAnd in this chapter really <\/p>\n
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\ndoesn’t disappoint us, does it?
\nIt really rewards study. <\/p>\n
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\nBut this chapter uses a really.
\nFascinating and interesting. <\/p>\n
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\nWord, doesn’t it?
\nAnd in fact our our reading <\/p>\n
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\nbrother brother James as he
\nbegan his reading he uses this <\/p>\n
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\nword and it’s found in Romans
\nchapter 8 and verse 12 where we <\/p>\n
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\nread.
\nTherefore, brethren, we are <\/p>\n
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\ndebtors.
\nWe’re debtors. <\/p>\n
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\nThat’s the King James word, at
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\nYou know what’s so interesting
\nabout the word debtor? <\/p>\n
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\nI mean, imagine if you were
\nwriting a chapter about your <\/p>\n
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\nhope in Christ.
\nWould you have? <\/p>\n
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\nCalled your reader’s debtor.
\nLet me think about this I’m. <\/p>\n
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\nI’m writing a chapter.
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\nI’m.
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\nTrying to inspire you, even
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\nand I’m.
\nCalling you a debtor. <\/p>\n
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\nI mean, what kind of hope
\ninvolves being a debtor? <\/p>\n
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\nI have a lot of debt.
\nYou know, a SB bank has a lot of<\/p>\n
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\ndebt on me, right?
\nAnd I’d actually like to relieve<\/p>\n
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\nThat would actually, I actually <\/p>\n
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\nI owe to the bank. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd if Paul says in Romans <\/p>\n
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\nchapter 8, verse 12 that we’re
\ndebtors, that means we owe <\/p>\n
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\nsomething.
\nWe have an obligation. <\/p>\n
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\nYou know, that’s an equally
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\nAn equally valid way of putting
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\nobligation.
\nSo I ask you young people, <\/p>\n
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\nyou’re in Christ Jesus.
\nIf you’re not, imagine for a <\/p>\n
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\nWhat’s your obligation? <\/p>\n
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\nWhat is the debt that you have
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\nWhat is your obligation in
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\nBecause you have one.
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\nUntil verse 17, because Paul
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\nsort of trying to explain what
\nthis debt is so you know people <\/p>\n
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\nAnd so for a moment let’s just
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\nVerse 17, reading out the new <\/p>\n
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\nKing James Version and if
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\nGod and joiners with Christ, if
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\nIt says if indeed, and I’ll read
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\nIf you’re reading your King
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\nYou know who still has their <\/p>\n
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\nYou know, we have these <\/p>\n
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\nSo young people, our obligation
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\nobligation.
\nBut I can’t. <\/p>\n
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\nour eyes and you see the text
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\nIn Romans 8 is translated as
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\nSo we find this and now this
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\nin scripture, but this is one of
\nthe places it’s used. <\/p>\n
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\nSo let’s take a look at this
\nparable and see if we learn <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s very interesting and and
\ncommon parable. <\/p>\n
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\njust familiarize ourselves again
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\nof his service, And when he had
\nbegun to reckon, one was brought<\/p>\n
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\nonto him, which owed him 10,000
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\nBut for as much as he had not to
\npay, his Lord commanded him to <\/p>\n
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\nand payment to be made.
\nThe servant therefore fell down <\/p>\n
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\nThen the Lord of that servant
\nwas moved with compassion and <\/p>\n
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\nloosed him and forgave the debt.
\nNow this man owed a debt which <\/p>\n
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\nby my calculations was 200,000
\nyears wages. <\/p>\n
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\nHere’s the calculation.
\nOne talent equals 6000 dinari. <\/p>\n
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\nJust take my word for that one. <\/p>\n
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\nThat’s what Wikipedia says, and
\nthey must be right. <\/p>\n
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\nOne dinari equals one day’s
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\nWe actually have a reference for
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\nSo one talent is 6000 days
\nwages, which is the equivalent <\/p>\n
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\nof 20 years wages.
\nSo 10,000 talents must be <\/p>\n
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\n200,000 years wages for the
\ncommon laborer. <\/p>\n
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\nSo it’s been 2000 years since
\nthis parable was given, right? <\/p>\n
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\nSo they’re like 1% of the way
\nthere, if they’d worked. <\/p>\n
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\nEvery day from the day that
\nChrist gave the parable till <\/p>\n
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\nnow.
\nSo if a yearly wage in that time<\/p>\n
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\nfor just a laborer with no skill
\nwould be $15,000 a year. <\/p>\n
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\nYou can think of that as $3
\nbillion is how much this man <\/p>\n
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\nowed.
\nSo it’s quite a big debt. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd he was to be sold into
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\ngreat amount that he could not
\nrepay. <\/p>\n
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\nBut he fell down.
\nHe begged for patience. <\/p>\n
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\nTo repay the price and the word
\nI can passion on him, and did <\/p>\n
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\nnot give him just more time to
\npay, but the Lord actually <\/p>\n
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\nforgave the debt altogether.
\nNow here’s my question for you, <\/p>\n
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\nwould you?
\nSay that the man in this parable<\/p>\n
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\nwas under an obligation before
\nthe Lord forgave the debt. <\/p>\n
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\nThat’s an easy one.
\nYeah, he was definitely under an<\/p>\n
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\nobligation before the Lord
\nforgave him. <\/p>\n
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\nBut was he under an obligation
\nafter his Lord forgave the debt?<\/p>\n
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\nNow we may be tempted to answer
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\nwas.
\nForgiven, wasn’t it? <\/p>\n
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\nBut let’s just continue in this.
\nParable a little bit picking up <\/p>\n
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\nthen.
\nWhere we left off, but the same <\/p>\n
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\nservant went out and found one
\nof his fellow servants which <\/p>\n
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\nowed him 100 pence.
\nAnd he laid hands on him, and <\/p>\n
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\ntook him by the throat, and
\nsaid, Pay me that thou oest. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd his fellow servant fell down
\nat his feet, and besought him, <\/p>\n
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\nsaying, I have patience with me,
\nand I will pay thee all. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd he would not but when and
\ncast him into prison, until he <\/p>\n
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\nshould pay the debt.
\nSo when his fellow servant saw <\/p>\n
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\nwhat was done, they were very
\nsorry, and came and told unto <\/p>\n
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\ntheir Lord all that was done.
\nThan the Lord, after that he had<\/p>\n
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\ncalled him, said unto him, O
\nthou wicked servant, I forgave <\/p>\n
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\nthee all that debt, because thou
\ndesirest me, Should not thou <\/p>\n
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\nalso have had compassion on thy
\nfellow servant, even as I had <\/p>\n
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\npity on thee?
\nAnd as the Lord was wrath and <\/p>\n
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\ndelivered him to the tormentors,
\ntell he should pay all that was <\/p>\n
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\ndue him.
\nSo was the servant under an <\/p>\n
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\nobligation?
\nEven after the enormous debt was<\/p>\n
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\nWhat do you think? <\/p>\n
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\nYeah, he was, wasn’t he?
\nThe quarterly was, because the <\/p>\n
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\ndebt was sort of charged to him
\nagain. <\/p>\n
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\nBut in the second case, the
\nobligation was to follow his <\/p>\n
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\nLord’s example.
\nSee, he was obliged to forgive. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd in that case, forgiving
\nreally meant suffering some <\/p>\n
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\nfinancial loss.
\nSo what’s the point of this <\/p>\n
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\nparable?
\nWhy do I take us here? <\/p>\n
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\nBecause I think this parable
\nwill illustrates that even after<\/p>\n
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\nthe debt is forgiven, there’s
\nstill an obligation. <\/p>\n
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\nThe obligation is to be like the
\nLord. <\/p>\n
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\nThere’s an obligation even for
\nthose who have freedom in <\/p>\n
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\nChrist.
\nAnd Paul tells us that our <\/p>\n
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\nobligation, our obligation.
\nYoung people is to suffer. <\/p>\n
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\nOK, so here’s Baptized.
\nRaise your hand. <\/p>\n
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\nYour obligation is to suffer.
\nHow should we suffer? <\/p>\n
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\nWell, Paul begiarly begins to
\nanswer this suffering question <\/p>\n
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\nin Romans 8 versus 14 through
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\nSo how should we suffer?
\nRomans 8 and verse 14. <\/p>\n
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\nFor as many as are led by the
\nSpirit of God, these are the <\/p>\n
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\nsons of God.
\nFor you did not receive the <\/p>\n
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\nSpirit of bondage again to fear,
\nbut you received the. <\/p>\n
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\nSpirit of adoption by whom we
\ncrowd of a Father, The spirit <\/p>\n
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\nhimself bears witness with our
\nspirit that were the children of<\/p>\n
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\nGod.
\nOK, so as a starter. <\/p>\n
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\nPaul’s saying to us that our
\nsuffering brings tears, and Paul<\/p>\n
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\nsays that we cry out ABBA
\nfather. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd Paul tells us in the next
\nverse, which is a little bit <\/p>\n
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\nmysterious, that that is the
\nspirit bearing witness with our <\/p>\n
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\nspirit that we’re the children
\nof God. <\/p>\n
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\nOK, now how is our spirit
\nbearing witness of the spirit of<\/p>\n
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\nGod when we cry?
\nABBA Father, now I don’t know <\/p>\n
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\nabout you.
\nBut I’m a sobby mess. <\/p>\n
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\nI still cry right I if if, if
\nthey play the right hymn on <\/p>\n
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\nSunday morning, I’m crying.
\nI can’t even help it. <\/p>\n
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\nBut maybe you all are tough
\nguys. <\/p>\n
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\nYou play rugby in this country.
\nI don’t know you know we we we <\/p>\n
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\nwere wear helmets in the states
\nwe’re wimps. <\/p>\n
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\nBut but to cry it’s in itself is
\nit’s natural and it’s very <\/p>\n
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\nspirit.
\nBut my question is not that we <\/p>\n
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\ncry, but what do we cry when we
\nfeel that pain inside we feel. <\/p>\n
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\nThat pain inside.
\nWhat do we say? <\/p>\n
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\nWhat do we do?
\nFor example, do we? <\/p>\n
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\nDo we?
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\nAngry or harsh things when we
\nget to that point. <\/p>\n
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\nI I call it the breaking point
\nand all. <\/p>\n
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\nParents in the crowd, you all
\nknow what the breaking point was<\/p>\n
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\nand.
\nIs we had a breaking point in <\/p>\n
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\nthe car on the way here this
\nmorning. <\/p>\n
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\nWe all know about the breaking
\npoint and we get to that <\/p>\n
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\nbreaking point.
\nHow do we relieve the tension <\/p>\n
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\nand the hurt and the sadness and
\nthe frustration that we feel <\/p>\n
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\ninside?
\nDo we cry ABBA Father? <\/p>\n
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\nBecause when we do cry ABBA
\nFather, that’s the Spirit of <\/p>\n
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\nGod, the Spirit of Christ, the
\nSon of God, bearing witness with<\/p>\n
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\nour Spirit because.
\nAt that moment when we cry and <\/p>\n
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\nwe.
\nCry ABBA, Father both our <\/p>\n
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\nspirit.
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\nactually in perfect unison at
\nthat moment. <\/p>\n
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\nOur emotion has actually joined
\nperfectly with our faith in <\/p>\n
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\nsuffering.
\nLike Christ. <\/p>\n
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\nYou know, perhaps the best
\nexample of this we can think <\/p>\n
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\nabout is Jesus in the Garden of
\nthe Gethsemane, now any of us. <\/p>\n
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\nIf we were under the pressures
\nand the strains and the stresses<\/p>\n
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\nof Christ, do you think you’d be
\ncrying? <\/p>\n
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\nI’d be crying, and you each
\nwould also be crying if you had <\/p>\n
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\nto face what Jesus was about to
\nface and at that moment in the <\/p>\n
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\ngarden.
\nHe cried, Father. <\/p>\n
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\nNot my will be done, but yours.
\nAnd you see, that’s the perfect <\/p>\n
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\nexample, he cried.
\nNot my will be done, but yours. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd so his spirit bore witness
\nwith the Spirit of God. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd they’re joined because trust
\nme. <\/p>\n
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\nWhen people feel stressed and
\nstrained and agitated, intense <\/p>\n
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\nand under incredible pressure,
\nhow often do they cry God’s will<\/p>\n
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\nbe done?
\nHow often do they cry ABBA <\/p>\n
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\nFather?
\nHow often instead do they find <\/p>\n
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\nother methods and Ways and Means
\nto relieve that tension to give <\/p>\n
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\nthemselves some momentary
\ncomfort? <\/p>\n
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\nBy taking out their pain on
\nsomeone else, hurting someone <\/p>\n
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\nelse or abusing themselves in
\nsome way or some form. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd this word ABBA, as you know,
\nis a softening of the Hebrew <\/p>\n
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\nword of which means father.
\nSo it’s kind of like daddy. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd I guess as a father you kind
\nof get a sense of the small <\/p>\n
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\nchild who’s hurting and he’s
\ncrying daddy. <\/p>\n
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\nTo you.
\nAnd you get the sense in that <\/p>\n
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\nmoment that that our God is not
\na distant or aloof God. <\/p>\n
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\nHe’s a nurturing God.
\nHe’s the Al Shadai, which means <\/p>\n
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\nthe nurturer and perhaps being a
\nfather. <\/p>\n
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\nNow I understand those words
\nmore because what Paul’s saying <\/p>\n
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\nhere is that God is looking at
\nus like children, like children.<\/p>\n
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\nLike, he really cares.
\nAnd he’s not distant from the <\/p>\n
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\npain.
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\ntension or our struggle.
\nAnd there’s something I really <\/p>\n
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\nwant to make clear for you.
\nThere’s something I really want <\/p>\n
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\nto make clear.
\nSo, so pay attention to this. <\/p>\n
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\nThis is important, that it’s not
\nyoung people. <\/p>\n
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\nThat emotion is evil and that.
\nThe righteous thing to do is to <\/p>\n
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\nstuff up all your emotion and
\njust pretend it doesn’t exist, <\/p>\n
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\nand to ignore all your tension
\nand your agitation and all your <\/p>\n
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\npassion.
\nIgnore all that and to live. <\/p>\n
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\nLike a stoic because that’s the
\nway to life, because that’s not <\/p>\n
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\nwhat I’m saying.
\nAnd if you thought that what I <\/p>\n
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\nwas saying, then you’ve got me
\nwrong because that’s not what <\/p>\n
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\nI’m saying, what I’m saying.
\nIs let the Spirit of God that is<\/p>\n
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\nwithin you guide you in whatever
\nthe trial, whatever the joy and.<\/p>\n
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\nWhatever the experience and
\nwhatever the emotion is that, <\/p>\n
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\nlet the Spirit of God guide you.
\nSo when it all becomes too much,<\/p>\n
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\nyou cry.
\nABBA, dear God, help me to do <\/p>\n
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\nyour will.
\nIt’s not that emotion is wrong. <\/p>\n
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\nIs that you yield yourself to
\nGod to do His will. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s not that emotion is wrong,
\nbut that emotion, when acted <\/p>\n
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\nupon, could be for your benefit
\nor for your good, or to hurt <\/p>\n
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\nothers, or for any other purpose
\nother than God’s will. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd what I’m asking of you is to
\nrecognize that for what it is. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd yield it to the Father not
\nto ignore it, because God <\/p>\n
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\ndoesn’t ignore it, does he?
\nHe sends that Angel to his son <\/p>\n
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\nin the garden.
\nThat his son might feel comfort,<\/p>\n
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\nbut we’re in Christ, you say.
\nOr maybe Paul’s readers were <\/p>\n
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\nsaying.
\nWe’re in Christ, you know, We <\/p>\n
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\nsuffered under the law.
\nWhat about this freedom in <\/p>\n
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\nChrist that you’ve been talking
\nabout, Paul? <\/p>\n
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\nWe’ve suffered before being, you
\nknow, being in Christ. <\/p>\n
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\nIt just seems like we’re
\nsuffering before we’re suffering<\/p>\n
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\nnow.
\nIt’s all just suffering. <\/p>\n
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\nPaul.
\nWhere’s the benefits? <\/p>\n
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\nWhere’s the benefits of being
\nin? <\/p>\n
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\nChrist.
\nAnd Paul says, in fact, <\/p>\n
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\nsomething really important has
\nchanged when you’re in Christ. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd what’s important that has
\nchanged is that now your sons. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd daughters of God.
\nNo, Okay. <\/p>\n
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\nWhat’s the benefit of that you
\nsee? <\/p>\n
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\nIf you think about a sun and you
\nthink about a slave, and you <\/p>\n
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\nthink about, maybe, if you can,
\nan agrarian lifestyle. <\/p>\n
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\nSee the sun and the slave.
\nThey both go out in the heat of <\/p>\n
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\nthe day to do the work.
\nThey both have to bear that <\/p>\n
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\nheat, and they’re both fed by
\nthe land and by the master who <\/p>\n
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\nowns the land.
\nThey’re fed and they’re given <\/p>\n
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\nwater and they’re giving shelter
\nand so really, why bearing the <\/p>\n
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\nheat of the day, It doesn’t
\nreally appear very much as if <\/p>\n
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\nthe sun and as a slave are very
\ndifferent at all, for they’re <\/p>\n
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\nboth working and what’s the
\ndifference? <\/p>\n
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\nBetween the sun and the slave.
\nThen the difference between the <\/p>\n
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\nsun and the slave is that the
\nsun has a hope. <\/p>\n
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\nThe slave knows.
\nThat while working, there will <\/p>\n
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\nonly be work until death.
\nBut the son has a hope for an <\/p>\n
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\ninheritance.
\nAnd so Paul says you’re you’re <\/p>\n
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\nstill burying the heat of the
\nday. <\/p>\n
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\nThere’s still suffering in the
\nworld. <\/p>\n
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\nGod hasn’t taken away the
\nsuffering, not at all. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd he’s not going to.
\nThe difference is you have a <\/p>\n
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\nhope, your son now.
\nAnd to Paul, that is a really, <\/p>\n
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\nreally important.
\nDifference because it’s not just<\/p>\n
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\nfutile anymore.
\nBut why should we suffer? <\/p>\n
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\nAnd maybe you ask the question,
\nif you have gone through some <\/p>\n
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\nsuffering and some people have
\ngone through intense personal <\/p>\n
340
\n00:23:23,100 –> 00:23:27,020
\nsuffering and you, you ask
\nyourself the question, why <\/p>\n
341
\n00:23:27,020 –> 00:23:29,860
\nshould I suffer?
\nAnd maybe the words come across <\/p>\n
342
\n00:23:29,860 –> 00:23:31,260
\nyour lips.
\nI don’t want to put them in your<\/p>\n
343
\n00:23:31,260 –> 00:23:33,540
\nlips if they aren’t there, but
\nperhaps they’ve come across your<\/p>\n
344
\n00:23:33,540 –> 00:23:35,480
\nlips.
\nWhy do we suffer? <\/p>\n
345
\n00:23:35,720 –> 00:23:41,880
\nDoesn’t God love us?
\nAnd what Paul is really doing <\/p>\n
346
\n00:23:41,880 –> 00:23:44,960
\nis, is he’s really helping us
\nunderstand that very question. <\/p>\n
347
\n00:23:46,280 –> 00:23:49,120
\nSo there’s actually another
\nquestion worth asking before. <\/p>\n
348
\n00:23:49,120 –> 00:23:50,080
\nWe go to that.
\nQuestion. <\/p>\n
349
\n00:23:50,680 –> 00:23:57,680
\nAnd that is, are we entitled to
\nany less suffering because we’re<\/p>\n
350
\n00:23:57,680 –> 00:24:01,780
\nin Christ?
\nDo you see that? <\/p>\n
351
\n00:24:01,780 –> 00:24:04,820
\nThat’s it’s a similar question,
\nbut not exactly the same. <\/p>\n
352
\n00:24:06,500 –> 00:24:12,500
\nAre we entitled to any less
\nsuffering because we’re in <\/p>\n
353
\n00:24:12,500 –> 00:24:15,620
\nChrist Now?
\nWhat Paul needs to do is first <\/p>\n
354
\n00:24:15,620 –> 00:24:18,340
\nestablish a correct
\nunderstanding of suffering, and <\/p>\n
355
\n00:24:18,340 –> 00:24:21,900
\nhe really tries to do that
\nbetween verses 21 and 23. <\/p>\n
356
\n00:24:23,180 –> 00:24:27,500
\nHe’s trying to give us a correct
\nunderstanding of suffering, and <\/p>\n
357
\n00:24:27,500 –> 00:24:30,180
\nPaul explains it this way.
\nAnd I’ll just summarize briefly.<\/p>\n
358
\n00:24:30,950 –> 00:24:34,830
\nHe says, listen, suffering is
\njust a part of this world. <\/p>\n
359
\n00:24:35,030 –> 00:24:39,190
\nI if you go to any country in
\nthe world from from the Far East<\/p>\n
360
\n00:24:39,350 –> 00:24:43,510
\nto the far West to the far
\nnorth, the far South, there’s <\/p>\n
361
\n00:24:43,670 –> 00:24:46,710
\ndeath everywhere.
\nTell me the country where people<\/p>\n
362
\n00:24:46,710 –> 00:24:49,630
\nlive and they don’t die.
\nTell the country, tell me the <\/p>\n
363
\n00:24:49,630 –> 00:24:51,750
\ncountry people live.
\nAnd there’s not murder and <\/p>\n
364
\n00:24:51,750 –> 00:24:55,510
\nthere’s not stealing, there’s
\nnot selfishness, there’s not <\/p>\n
365
\n00:24:55,510 –> 00:25:00,230
\ndisease, says suffering is just
\npart of this world. <\/p>\n
366
\n00:25:01,790 –> 00:25:04,870
\nHe says all of creation groans
\nin pain. <\/p>\n
367
\n00:25:06,630 –> 00:25:10,110
\nAll of creation is under the
\nbondage of corruption. <\/p>\n
368
\n00:25:11,030 –> 00:25:14,750
\nAll of creation is subject to
\nvanity and that word. <\/p>\n
369
\n00:25:14,750 –> 00:25:18,030
\nVanity in the King James is
\nfutility and other translations.<\/p>\n
370
\n00:25:18,110 –> 00:25:20,830
\nBut really, when you look it up,
\nit really means misuse. <\/p>\n
371
\n00:25:21,540 –> 00:25:25,340
\nMeans creation is not being used
\nthe way God intended it to be <\/p>\n
372
\n00:25:25,340 –> 00:25:27,460
\nused.
\nGod created the world with a <\/p>\n
373
\n00:25:27,460 –> 00:25:30,620
\npurpose, and it’s not being used
\nfor the purpose for which He <\/p>\n
374
\n00:25:30,620 –> 00:25:35,260
\ncreated it.
\nIt’s being misused, and perhaps <\/p>\n
375
\n00:25:35,260 –> 00:25:36,580
\nthe worst.
\nForm of suffering. <\/p>\n
376
\n00:25:38,100 –> 00:25:40,220
\nAccording to Paul.
\nIs that there’s. <\/p>\n
377
\n00:25:40,220 –> 00:25:42,380
\nWaiting.
\nWe’re waiting. <\/p>\n
378
\n00:25:42,380 –> 00:25:43,660
\nWe don’t know when it’s going to
\nend. <\/p>\n
379
\n00:25:44,420 –> 00:25:46,660
\nWe don’t know when our our hopes
\ngoing to appear. <\/p>\n
380
\n00:25:47,500 –> 00:25:50,710
\nRomans 8, verse 22.
\nBut we know that the whole <\/p>\n
381
\n00:25:50,710 –> 00:25:55,430
\ncreation everywhere, it groans
\nand travails and pain together <\/p>\n
382
\n00:25:55,430 –> 00:25:59,590
\nuntil now.
\nNow the question is that I want <\/p>\n
383
\n00:25:59,590 –> 00:26:02,590
\nto ask you, and I want you to
\nthink about this, If all <\/p>\n
384
\n00:26:02,590 –> 00:26:06,510
\ncreation suffers and groans of
\npain because it’s being misused <\/p>\n
385
\n00:26:07,430 –> 00:26:11,670
\nor subject to vanity, can we
\nsingle out our personal <\/p>\n
386
\n00:26:11,670 –> 00:26:14,390
\nsuffering and blame?
\nGod. <\/p>\n
387
\n00:26:17,370 –> 00:26:21,570
\nIf all of creation is subject to
\nsuffering, is subject to misuse,<\/p>\n
388
\n00:26:21,730 –> 00:26:26,290
\nis being used the way God and
\nnot intended to be used, can I <\/p>\n
389
\n00:26:26,290 –> 00:26:31,530
\nthen take my personal suffering
\nand single it out and say God’s <\/p>\n
390
\n00:26:31,530 –> 00:26:39,220
\nto be blamed?
\nFor that it’s an important <\/p>\n
391
\n00:26:39,380 –> 00:26:42,140
\nquestion actually, and I want us
\nto be clear on this because <\/p>\n
392
\n00:26:42,140 –> 00:26:48,140
\nthere’s an attitude, there’s an
\nattitude that underlines this, I<\/p>\n
393
\n00:26:48,140 –> 00:26:53,170
\nremember in the States at least.
\n9\/11 was such a big deal, and of<\/p>\n
394
\n00:26:54,090 –> 00:26:57,890
\ncourse it was globally as well.
\nAnd the question really came up <\/p>\n
395
\n00:26:57,930 –> 00:27:01,050
\na lot after this horrible
\ntragedy. <\/p>\n
396
\n00:27:02,330 –> 00:27:06,170
\nAnd that question was how could
\nGod allow this to happen? <\/p>\n
397
\n00:27:06,690 –> 00:27:09,210
\nI don’t know if that question
\nwas asked here in New Zealand, <\/p>\n
398
\n00:27:09,410 –> 00:27:14,010
\nbut especially is very poignant
\nin the United States, which is a<\/p>\n
399
\n00:27:14,010 –> 00:27:17,890
\ncountry that often is considered
\nto be religious and probably <\/p>\n
400
\n00:27:17,890 –> 00:27:21,710
\nrightfully so.
\nHow could God allow this to <\/p>\n
401
\n00:27:21,710 –> 00:27:24,070
\nhappen?
\nBut there’s an attitude <\/p>\n
402
\n00:27:24,070 –> 00:27:28,390
\nunderlying that question, and
\nthat attitude is this. <\/p>\n
403
\n00:27:30,430 –> 00:27:37,270
\nIt’s that as humans, we’re
\nentitled to a good life, and <\/p>\n
404
\n00:27:37,270 –> 00:27:41,670
\nthat God is accountable and
\nactually should be questioned <\/p>\n
405
\n00:27:41,790 –> 00:27:45,550
\nfor anything that disrupts that
\ngood life. <\/p>\n
406
\n00:27:50,250 –> 00:27:54,130
\nThat’s that attitude.
\nThat actually all of us, we’re <\/p>\n
407
\n00:27:54,130 –> 00:27:57,130
\nentitled to happiness.
\nWe’re entitled. <\/p>\n
408
\n00:27:57,130 –> 00:28:00,690
\nTo a Good Wife.
\nIt’s your human right to have a <\/p>\n
409
\n00:28:00,690 –> 00:28:04,370
\nGood Wife.
\nAnd that if anything disrupts <\/p>\n
410
\n00:28:04,370 –> 00:28:08,810
\nthat Good Wife, whether it be
\ndisease or pain or tragedy of <\/p>\n
411
\n00:28:08,810 –> 00:28:12,570
\nany type of any sort, then God
\nis accountable to us. <\/p>\n
412
\n00:28:13,930 –> 00:28:22,730
\nTo explain why we have not had
\nThe Good Wife we deserve, I ask <\/p>\n
413
\n00:28:22,730 –> 00:28:26,530
\nyou do you really think that’s
\nthe right attitude? <\/p>\n
414
\n00:28:29,890 –> 00:28:32,850
\nAnd actually, what Paul’s
\nputting forward is an <\/p>\n
415
\n00:28:32,850 –> 00:28:38,810
\nalternative way of thinking.
\nHe’s actually saying that the <\/p>\n
416
\n00:28:38,810 –> 00:28:41,610
\nfather loves you.
\nLike a child. <\/p>\n
417
\n00:28:44,580 –> 00:28:49,780
\nIf suffering is a consequence of
\nsin, and suffering is the way of<\/p>\n
418
\n00:28:49,780 –> 00:28:54,380
\nthe sinful and misused world,
\nwe’re not entitled to a life <\/p>\n
419
\n00:28:54,380 –> 00:28:58,100
\nfree from suffering, and no man
\nis entitled to a life free from <\/p>\n
420
\n00:28:58,100 –> 00:29:00,460
\nsuffering and no human being on
\nthis planet. <\/p>\n
421
\n00:29:00,460 –> 00:29:03,620
\nToday will have a life free from
\nsuffering. <\/p>\n
422
\n00:29:05,380 –> 00:29:10,900
\nWhat are we given instead?
\nInstead, we’re given hope. <\/p>\n
423
\n00:29:13,690 –> 00:29:19,050
\nSo though, no matter what the
\nsuffering is, we’re not going to<\/p>\n
424
\n00:29:19,050 –> 00:29:24,610
\nlose the love of God.
\nAnd therefore, according to <\/p>\n
425
\n00:29:24,610 –> 00:29:28,650
\nPaul, God is not to be blamed
\nfor suffering. <\/p>\n
426
\n00:29:30,530 –> 00:29:34,210
\nGod is to be thanked for
\nproviding hope. <\/p>\n
427
\n00:29:35,730 –> 00:29:38,690
\nDo you see how miles apart those
\ntwo things are? <\/p>\n
428
\n00:29:40,570 –> 00:29:42,850
\nGod is not to be blamed for
\nsuffering. <\/p>\n
429
\n00:29:44,970 –> 00:29:52,050
\nGod is to be thanked that
\nthere’s hope, and that hope is <\/p>\n
430
\n00:29:52,050 –> 00:29:54,170
\nbigger than you.
\nIt’s bigger than me. <\/p>\n
431
\n00:29:54,170 –> 00:29:58,690
\nIt’s bigger than our problems.
\nThat hope is for God’s glory to <\/p>\n
432
\n00:29:58,690 –> 00:30:01,010
\nbe revealed in us and in all the
\nworld. <\/p>\n
433
\n00:30:02,130 –> 00:30:06,170
\nAnd when God’s glory is in all
\nthe world, then suffering will <\/p>\n
434
\n00:30:06,170 –> 00:30:16,400
\nend.
\nSo picking up in verse 23, we <\/p>\n
435
\n00:30:16,400 –> 00:30:22,120
\nread about one particular
\nimportant type of suffering, and<\/p>\n
436
\n00:30:22,120 –> 00:30:25,000
\nthat’s the suffering which is
\nwaiting. <\/p>\n
437
\n00:30:30,520 –> 00:30:34,400
\nNot only that Paul says, but we
\nalso have the first fruits of <\/p>\n
438
\n00:30:34,400 –> 00:30:37,960
\nthe Spirit.
\nEven we ourselves grown within <\/p>\n
439
\n00:30:37,960 –> 00:30:44,640
\nourselves, eagerly waiting.
\nFor the adoption, the redemption<\/p>\n
440
\n00:30:45,360 –> 00:30:49,650
\nof our body.
\nIt really made me pause. <\/p>\n
441
\n00:30:50,730 –> 00:30:52,410
\nReally thought hard about this
\nverse. <\/p>\n
442
\n00:30:53,410 –> 00:30:59,570
\nDo I thought hard about?
\nI thought hard about whether or <\/p>\n
443
\n00:30:59,570 –> 00:31:07,370
\nnot waiting is in fact suffering
\nfor me. <\/p>\n
444
\n00:31:09,290 –> 00:31:11,370
\nSo I guess I’ll pose the
\nquestion to you. <\/p>\n
445
\n00:31:13,490 –> 00:31:24,010
\nIs waiting for the adoption?
\nSuffering for you, maybe. <\/p>\n
446
\n00:31:24,010 –> 00:31:25,610
\nIt doesn’t seem much like
\nsuffering. <\/p>\n
447
\n00:31:28,130 –> 00:31:31,770
\nAnd if that’s the case, I think
\nyou should pause and think for a<\/p>\n
448
\n00:31:31,770 –> 00:31:40,490
\nmoment, because that probably
\nmeans that to some extent, to <\/p>\n
449
\n00:31:40,490 –> 00:31:46,730
\nsome measure, you’re actually
\nfinding your reward in this <\/p>\n
450
\n00:31:46,730 –> 00:31:51,670
\nworld.
\nYou’re finding your reward in <\/p>\n
451
\n00:31:51,670 –> 00:32:00,110
\nthis world and that’s satisfying
\nyou and so doesn’t really feel <\/p>\n
452
\n00:32:00,110 –> 00:32:06,430
\nlike much like pain doesn’t feel
\nvery bad at all to wait, kind of<\/p>\n
453
\n00:32:06,430 –> 00:32:08,550
\nlike what’s going on.
\nKind of like the world. <\/p>\n
454
\n00:32:09,230 –> 00:32:13,790
\nKind of love the world now, I
\nask you. <\/p>\n
455
\n00:32:15,190 –> 00:32:24,470
\nWhat if your reward in the world
\nis taken away and there’s <\/p>\n
456
\n00:32:24,470 –> 00:32:29,070
\nsadness about that?
\nWho are you going to blame? <\/p>\n
457
\n00:32:31,350 –> 00:32:36,310
\nWill you blame God if whatever
\nin the world you’re finding so <\/p>\n
458
\n00:32:36,310 –> 00:32:40,390
\nsatisfying is taken away, Will
\nyou blame God that that was <\/p>\n
459
\n00:32:40,390 –> 00:32:42,670
\ntaken away?
\nYour reward in this world? <\/p>\n
460
\n00:32:46,310 –> 00:32:47,950
\nAnd Paul was really saying that
\nfor. <\/p>\n
461
\n00:32:47,950 –> 00:32:52,470
\nThose that wait.
\nThey’re comforted by something, <\/p>\n
462
\n00:32:53,110 –> 00:32:58,670
\nand what they’re comforted by is
\nthey’re comforted by a hope, and<\/p>\n
463
\n00:32:58,670 –> 00:33:00,230
\nthey’re hoping for something
\nbetter. <\/p>\n
464
\n00:33:02,910 –> 00:33:08,790
\nAnd versus 24 and 25, Paul says
\nThis we were saved in this hope.<\/p>\n
465
\n00:33:09,490 –> 00:33:11,690
\nBut hope that is seen is is not
\nhope. <\/p>\n
466
\n00:33:11,690 –> 00:33:15,050
\nFor why does one still hope for
\nwhat he sees, but we hope for <\/p>\n
467
\n00:33:15,050 –> 00:33:18,930
\nwhat we do not see.
\nThen we eagerly wait. <\/p>\n
468
\n00:33:20,410 –> 00:33:24,730
\nFor it with perseverance.
\nIf you’re going to have hope, <\/p>\n
469
\n00:33:24,770 –> 00:33:29,130
\nyou got to be waiting if you’re
\nactually getting your reward in <\/p>\n
470
\n00:33:29,130 –> 00:33:33,490
\nthis world.
\nIf you’re getting your reward in<\/p>\n
471
\n00:33:33,490 –> 00:33:36,170
\nthis world, you’re actually not
\nwaiting for anything. <\/p>\n
472
\n00:33:37,030 –> 00:33:39,270
\nAnd I’d also say to you, you.
\nProbably don’t have a lot of <\/p>\n
473
\n00:33:39,270 –> 00:33:42,670
\nhope because why would you have
\nhope for something you’re <\/p>\n
474
\n00:33:42,670 –> 00:33:44,750
\nalready seeing and you’re
\nalready experiencing. <\/p>\n
475
\n00:33:47,150 –> 00:33:51,350
\nBut to Paul, now this, by the
\nway, this challenged me, this, <\/p>\n
476
\n00:33:51,350 –> 00:33:54,510
\nthis little bit, this really
\njust really challenged me. <\/p>\n
477
\n00:33:54,670 –> 00:33:58,430
\nSo you have to know that every
\nquestion I ask you, I’ve already<\/p>\n
478
\n00:33:58,430 –> 00:34:02,630
\nasked myself.
\nAnd if it’s hard for you, it was<\/p>\n
479
\n00:34:02,630 –> 00:34:06,860
\nhard for me.
\nBut I can’t But look at the text<\/p>\n
480
\n00:34:06,980 –> 00:34:14,340
\nand tell you what it says.
\nAnd if you get your reward from <\/p>\n
481
\n00:34:14,340 –> 00:34:17,260
\nthis world, then you can see it
\nand you’re not waiting for it. <\/p>\n
482
\n00:34:17,260 –> 00:34:19,020
\nAnd I.
\nAsk you then where is your hope?<\/p>\n
483
\n00:34:20,300 –> 00:34:28,900
\nAnd it probably isn’t a very big
\nhope now. <\/p>\n
484
\n00:34:29,139 –> 00:34:31,260
\nWhere does hope?
\nCome from exactly. <\/p>\n
485
\n00:34:33,080 –> 00:34:35,320
\nWhere do we get hope?
\nWhat if we want to fill <\/p>\n
486
\n00:34:35,320 –> 00:34:39,000
\nourselves up with some hope?
\nYou know, refue ourselves with <\/p>\n
487
\n00:34:39,000 –> 00:34:40,320
\nsome hope?
\nWhere do we get that hope? <\/p>\n
488
\n00:34:41,000 –> 00:34:45,320
\nNow I tell you what.
\nDo you know how you get it? <\/p>\n
489
\n00:34:46,000 –> 00:34:48,080
\nDo you know you get this hope
\nthat maybe you don’t have enough<\/p>\n
490
\n00:34:48,080 –> 00:34:50,159
\nof?
\nDo you know how you get that <\/p>\n
491
\n00:34:50,159 –> 00:34:56,320
\nhope?
\nDo The answer is is you suffer? <\/p>\n
492
\n00:35:00,950 –> 00:35:02,910
\nAll makes perfect sense.
\nJust turn to Romans 5. <\/p>\n
493
\n00:35:03,710 –> 00:35:12,060
\nCome on, turn on Romans 5.
\nHow do we get this hope? <\/p>\n
494
\n00:35:12,540 –> 00:35:14,340
\nWe want to throw ourselves a
\nlittle bit more hope. <\/p>\n
495
\n00:35:14,580 –> 00:35:18,180
\nHow do I get that hope?
\nI don’t want to find my reward <\/p>\n
496
\n00:35:18,180 –> 00:35:21,220
\nin this world.
\nI don’t want to be so satisfied <\/p>\n
497
\n00:35:21,220 –> 00:35:23,660
\nwith this world.
\nI don’t want to blame God when <\/p>\n
498
\n00:35:23,660 –> 00:35:25,580
\nthe rewards of this world are
\ntaken away from me. <\/p>\n
499
\n00:35:25,900 –> 00:35:27,700
\nI want hope.
\nHow do I get that hope? <\/p>\n
500
\n00:35:28,460 –> 00:35:32,980
\nPaul says Rooms 5, first one,
\ntherefore being justified by <\/p>\n
501
\n00:35:32,980 –> 00:35:36,270
\nfaith.
\nWe have peace with God through <\/p>\n
502
\n00:35:36,310 –> 00:35:41,150
\nour Lord Jesus Christ, by whom
\nwe have access by faith and to <\/p>\n
503
\n00:35:41,150 –> 00:35:45,990
\nthe grace wherein we stand and
\nrejoice in the hope of the glory<\/p>\n
504
\n00:35:45,990 –> 00:35:48,670
\nof God.
\nThis is the part to pay <\/p>\n
505
\n00:35:48,670 –> 00:35:53,190
\nattention to, and not only so,
\nbut we glory and tribulation <\/p>\n
506
\n00:35:53,190 –> 00:35:57,830
\nalso, and suffering, knowing
\nthat tribulation work with <\/p>\n
507
\n00:35:57,830 –> 00:36:04,070
\npatience and patience,
\nexperience and experience. <\/p>\n
508
\n00:36:05,680 –> 00:36:13,440
\nHope and hope maketh not
\nashamed, because the love of God<\/p>\n
509
\n00:36:13,440 –> 00:36:17,360
\nis shed abroad in our hearts by
\nthe Holy Spirit which is given <\/p>\n
510
\n00:36:17,360 –> 00:36:19,360
\nunto us.
\nSo you want some more of this <\/p>\n
511
\n00:36:19,360 –> 00:36:21,680
\nhope?
\nYou’d like to have some more <\/p>\n
512
\n00:36:21,680 –> 00:36:25,600
\nhope in your life.
\nHow are you going to get that <\/p>\n
513
\n00:36:25,600 –> 00:36:27,960
\nhope?
\nI’ll tell you. <\/p>\n
514
\n00:36:29,640 –> 00:36:36,640
\nGoing to suffer.
\nNow, how do we know they’re not <\/p>\n
515
\n00:36:36,640 –> 00:36:38,000
\ngoing to be disappointed by
\nhope? <\/p>\n
516
\n00:36:39,360 –> 00:36:41,600
\nHow do we know hope is not going
\nto disappoint us? <\/p>\n
517
\n00:36:43,840 –> 00:36:45,640
\nPaul says.
\nThe tribulation work with <\/p>\n
518
\n00:36:45,640 –> 00:36:48,400
\npatience and patience,
\nendurance, endurance, hope. <\/p>\n
519
\n00:36:50,160 –> 00:36:55,280
\nSo perhaps for you and I,
\nactually the world suffers, but <\/p>\n
520
\n00:36:55,280 –> 00:36:57,680
\nyou and I need to suffer a
\nlittle bit more than the world <\/p>\n
521
\n00:37:00,080 –> 00:37:02,360
\nbecause suffering actually helps
\nus. <\/p>\n
522
\n00:37:03,220 –> 00:37:07,380
\nTo understand that putting hope
\nin this world is no hope at all.<\/p>\n
523
\n00:37:09,820 –> 00:37:13,100
\nIn this way, suffering brings us
\nto the love of Christ, because <\/p>\n
524
\n00:37:14,740 –> 00:37:20,020
\nwe realize that the love of
\nChrist can never disappoint us. <\/p>\n
525
\n00:37:20,180 –> 00:37:24,100
\nYou know, whatever you find in
\nthis world that you love, I love<\/p>\n
526
\n00:37:24,100 –> 00:37:26,020
\nmy wife.
\nShe could be taken from me. <\/p>\n
527
\n00:37:27,020 –> 00:37:29,380
\nI love my children.
\nThey could be taken from me. <\/p>\n
528
\n00:37:30,260 –> 00:37:32,980
\nDisease or or accidents or
\nwhatever it is. <\/p>\n
529
\n00:37:33,140 –> 00:37:35,620
\nI love my job.
\nThat could be taken from me. <\/p>\n
530
\n00:37:36,220 –> 00:37:38,980
\nI love my economic security that
\ncould be taken from me. <\/p>\n
531
\n00:37:39,140 –> 00:37:42,500
\nAnything I put hope in this
\nworld can be taken from me. <\/p>\n
532
\n00:37:43,460 –> 00:37:45,180
\nWhat about our brethren and
\nIran? <\/p>\n
533
\n00:37:46,740 –> 00:37:51,660
\nEverything has been taken from
\nthem, even their dignity. <\/p>\n
534
\n00:37:54,500 –> 00:37:57,220
\nBut you know it can never be
\ntaken from you. <\/p>\n
535
\n00:37:59,850 –> 00:38:02,130
\nBut you know it can never be
\ntaken from you. <\/p>\n
536
\n00:38:02,530 –> 00:38:04,650
\nThat will never make you
\nashamed. <\/p>\n
537
\n00:38:05,450 –> 00:38:12,170
\nYou can never lose it.
\nNo one could ever take it away. <\/p>\n
538
\n00:38:13,610 –> 00:38:18,290
\nIt’s the love of Christ.
\nSo it will never disappoint you <\/p>\n
539
\n00:38:21,290 –> 00:38:26,730
\nbecause it’s the one thing that
\nno disease and no accident and <\/p>\n
540
\n00:38:26,730 –> 00:38:29,820
\nno tragedy.
\nAnd no difficulty and no <\/p>\n
541
\n00:38:29,820 –> 00:38:33,580
\nsuffering at all can take away.
\nSuffering will take away all. <\/p>\n
542
\n00:38:33,580 –> 00:38:38,260
\nThose other things.
\nBut I can’t take away the love <\/p>\n
543
\n00:38:38,260 –> 00:38:45,420
\nof Christ.
\nAnd so suffering brings us to <\/p>\n
544
\n00:38:45,420 –> 00:38:51,700
\nhope because we realize the one
\nthing that endures, the one <\/p>\n
545
\n00:38:51,700 –> 00:38:56,060
\nthing that endures eternally, is
\nthe love of Christ. <\/p>\n
546
\n00:38:57,750 –> 00:38:59,430
\nIt’s the one thing that won’t
\ndisappoint. <\/p>\n
547
\n00:39:01,350 –> 00:39:06,190
\nNow what is this amazing source
\nof hope for Paul? <\/p>\n
548
\n00:39:06,310 –> 00:39:09,950
\nHow does Paul get this hope?
\nIt’s not suffering. <\/p>\n
549
\n00:39:09,950 –> 00:39:13,110
\nAnd given that he had the hope
\nand suffering brings him to a <\/p>\n
550
\n00:39:13,110 –> 00:39:14,950
\ngreater hope.
\nBut where’s the hope come from? <\/p>\n
551
\n00:39:15,070 –> 00:39:18,550
\nTurns with me to Romans 15.
\nThis is a great cross reference.<\/p>\n
552
\n00:39:18,550 –> 00:39:22,510
\nMarket in your market in your
\nmargin, Romans 15. <\/p>\n
553
\n00:39:30,250 –> 00:39:38,550
\nAnd read with me verse four, are
\nwe all there? <\/p>\n
554
\n00:39:39,590 –> 00:39:46,030
\nFor whatsoever things were
\nwritten before, were written for<\/p>\n
555
\n00:39:46,030 –> 00:39:52,390
\nour learning that we through
\npatience and the comfort of the <\/p>\n
556
\n00:39:52,390 –> 00:39:55,590
\nscriptures.
\nMight have hope. <\/p>\n
557
\n00:39:59,760 –> 00:40:02,760
\nYou think I’m just bringing up
\nthis Bible reading thing because<\/p>\n
558
\n00:40:03,080 –> 00:40:04,640
\nit’s my own little personal
\nthing. <\/p>\n
559
\n00:40:08,600 –> 00:40:17,040
\nWhat is Paul’s source of hope?
\nIt’s the comfort of the <\/p>\n
560
\n00:40:17,040 –> 00:40:21,320
\nScriptures and the patience of
\nthe Scriptures. <\/p>\n
561
\n00:40:22,120 –> 00:40:25,160
\nThat’s how he gets hope.
\nAnd you know what? <\/p>\n
562
\n00:40:25,160 –> 00:40:27,080
\nI don’t know how to be subtle
\nhere, so I’m going to kind of <\/p>\n
563
\n00:40:27,080 –> 00:40:29,360
\njust try to be blunt.
\nI don’t have a problem with <\/p>\n
564
\n00:40:29,360 –> 00:40:30,160
\nblunt.
\nI’m good at Blunt. <\/p>\n
565
\n00:40:32,480 –> 00:40:38,920
\nAnd the blunt point is that if
\nyou don’t read the Bible and <\/p>\n
566
\n00:40:38,920 –> 00:40:46,240
\ntalk about the Bible and discuss
\nyour faith that you’ll lose that<\/p>\n
567
\n00:40:46,240 –> 00:40:48,840
\nhope.
\nYou just will. <\/p>\n
568
\n00:40:52,840 –> 00:40:57,280
\nAnd Paul says here that.
\nIn all his sufferings and all <\/p>\n
569
\n00:40:57,280 –> 00:41:00,800
\nthe things he’s had to endure
\nthat it was the. <\/p>\n
570
\n00:41:00,800 –> 00:41:08,840
\nScriptures that gave him hope.
\nIt can produce in you. <\/p>\n
571
\n00:41:10,120 –> 00:41:14,880
\nA love of Christ which no one
\ncan take away and which <\/p>\n
572
\n00:41:14,880 –> 00:41:18,760
\nsuffering will only make
\nstronger. <\/p>\n
573
\n00:41:21,240 –> 00:41:23,000
\nSuffering will only make
\nstronger. <\/p>\n
574
\n00:41:28,610 –> 00:41:34,210
\nAnd so, back in Romans 8, Paul
\nspeaks and clarifies for us in <\/p>\n
575
\n00:41:34,210 –> 00:41:38,210
\nmore clear terms what that hope
\nreally is. <\/p>\n
576
\n00:41:38,250 –> 00:41:40,410
\nWhat is that hope?
\nWhat is he hoping? <\/p>\n
577
\n00:41:40,410 –> 00:41:45,050
\nFor I should say.
\nAnd Romans 8IN verse 28. <\/p>\n
578
\n00:41:45,330 –> 00:41:47,130
\nPaul talks about what he hopes
\nfor. <\/p>\n
579
\n00:41:49,530 –> 00:41:52,610
\nReading out of the King James
\nVersion and we know. <\/p>\n
580
\n00:41:53,390 –> 00:41:57,590
\nThat all things work together
\nfor good to them that love God, <\/p>\n
581
\n00:41:57,590 –> 00:41:59,470
\nwho are called according to his
\npurpose. <\/p>\n
582
\n00:42:00,670 –> 00:42:06,190
\nFor whom he did for know he also
\ndid predestinate to be conformed<\/p>\n
583
\n00:42:06,310 –> 00:42:11,230
\nto the image of his Son, that he
\nmight be the first born among <\/p>\n
584
\n00:42:11,230 –> 00:42:14,750
\nmany brethren, And moreover,
\nwhom he did predestinate, then <\/p>\n
585
\n00:42:14,750 –> 00:42:16,150
\nhe.
\nCalled and he called. <\/p>\n
586
\n00:42:16,790 –> 00:42:19,070
\nHe also justified and he
\njustified them he also <\/p>\n
587
\n00:42:19,070 –> 00:42:22,230
\nglorified.
\nNow what are those verses mean? <\/p>\n
588
\n00:42:22,940 –> 00:42:24,780
\nWhy does Paul?
\nTalk about those verses. <\/p>\n
589
\n00:42:25,180 –> 00:42:28,060
\nHow do those clarify for for us
\nwhat the hope is? <\/p>\n
590
\n00:42:29,660 –> 00:42:31,580
\nI’ll tell you what these verses
\nare there to do. <\/p>\n
591
\n00:42:32,900 –> 00:42:36,180
\nWhat these verses are there to
\ndo and demonstrate for you is <\/p>\n
592
\n00:42:36,180 –> 00:42:42,620
\nthat your hope?
\nYour hope can come with <\/p>\n
593
\n00:42:42,620 –> 00:42:47,020
\ntremendous confidence.
\nYou can have confidence in that <\/p>\n
594
\n00:42:47,020 –> 00:42:47,900
\nhope.
\nDo you know why? <\/p>\n
595
\n00:42:48,460 –> 00:42:51,380
\nBecause Paul has said that God
\nhas known you since he created <\/p>\n
596
\n00:42:51,380 –> 00:42:56,000
\nthe first human being.
\nSince Paul, Paul says since <\/p>\n
597
\n00:42:56,120 –> 00:43:01,200
\nsince God created the first man,
\nhe’s known those who are his. <\/p>\n
598
\n00:43:02,800 –> 00:43:08,440
\nAnd not only has he known them
\nthat he’s predestined them, that<\/p>\n
599
\n00:43:08,440 –> 00:43:13,200
\nthey would be in the image of
\nhis son and he has his son <\/p>\n
600
\n00:43:13,320 –> 00:43:16,560
\nJesus.
\nAnd remember that Adam made a <\/p>\n
601
\n00:43:16,560 –> 00:43:20,760
\nson in his likeness.
\nAdam made Seth and his likeness <\/p>\n
602
\n00:43:20,840 –> 00:43:23,780
\nand after his image.
\nAnd there you have Christ in the<\/p>\n
603
\n00:43:23,820 –> 00:43:28,660
\nimage of God, and he’s trying to
\nmake each one of his sons and <\/p>\n
604
\n00:43:28,660 –> 00:43:31,940
\nhis daughters into the image of
\nChrist, to be born after the <\/p>\n
605
\n00:43:31,940 –> 00:43:34,580
\nimage of Christ.
\nAnd think this was God’s purpose<\/p>\n
606
\n00:43:34,580 –> 00:43:36,740
\nfrom the beginning.
\nAnd he knew who was his. <\/p>\n
607
\n00:43:36,980 –> 00:43:41,900
\nHe knew you before you were
\nborn, And he has been working <\/p>\n
608
\n00:43:41,900 –> 00:43:45,420
\nwith you to bring you to the
\npoint where you are conformed to<\/p>\n
609
\n00:43:45,420 –> 00:43:48,940
\nthat image of his Son, that you
\nwould be a son and daughter of <\/p>\n
610
\n00:43:48,940 –> 00:43:54,640
\nGod.
\nHe’s destined you to be his. <\/p>\n
611
\n00:43:55,840 –> 00:43:59,880
\nYou are not an accident.
\nSometimes you look around the <\/p>\n
612
\n00:43:59,880 –> 00:44:04,360
\nroom and you think to yourself,
\nwell, I can see that God’s. <\/p>\n
613
\n00:44:04,360 –> 00:44:08,200
\nCalling him and him and her.
\nBut you know what? <\/p>\n
614
\n00:44:09,880 –> 00:44:13,040
\nI think I was just kind of.
\nI think I was just kind of an <\/p>\n
615
\n00:44:13,040 –> 00:44:16,620
\naccident, you know, like.
\nLike the Angel said, well, this <\/p>\n
616
\n00:44:16,620 –> 00:44:19,060
\nis a reject.
\nBut you know, OK, pass it <\/p>\n
617
\n00:44:19,060 –> 00:44:22,500
\nthrough, you know, and if and
\nyou get the sense that you’re a <\/p>\n
618
\n00:44:22,500 –> 00:44:25,500
\nfraud.
\nMaybe everyone else has this <\/p>\n
619
\n00:44:25,500 –> 00:44:27,780
\nfigured out, But I’m a fraud.
\nI’m personally a fraud. <\/p>\n
620
\n00:44:30,780 –> 00:44:32,460
\nI don’t know why God’s working
\nwith me. <\/p>\n
621
\n00:44:33,700 –> 00:44:35,540
\nI don’t know if the angels
\nreally do care. <\/p>\n
622
\n00:44:36,900 –> 00:44:40,460
\nMaybe I’m just here by accident.
\nMaybe it’s all just an accident.<\/p>\n
623
\n00:44:41,620 –> 00:44:47,270
\nWhy me?
\nThere’s a lot of selfishness in <\/p>\n
624
\n00:44:47,270 –> 00:44:49,030
\nthat, those words.
\nWhy me, by the way? <\/p>\n
625
\n00:44:50,590 –> 00:44:52,190
\nSo a lot of selfishness in those
\nwords. <\/p>\n
626
\n00:44:53,070 –> 00:44:57,790
\nBecause God doesn’t merely want
\nyou, He wants you to reflect <\/p>\n
627
\n00:44:57,790 –> 00:45:01,030
\nhim.
\nYou probably can’t do a lot for <\/p>\n
628
\n00:45:01,030 –> 00:45:06,830
\nGod, but God can do a whole heck
\nof a lot through you. <\/p>\n
629
\n00:45:06,830 –> 00:45:11,350
\nIf you’d let him.
\nIf you’d let him. <\/p>\n
630
\n00:45:14,040 –> 00:45:18,200
\nAnd God knows.
\nAnd you’re here because he knows<\/p>\n
631
\n00:45:18,360 –> 00:45:23,000
\nthat if you let him, he can do
\ntremendous good. <\/p>\n
632
\n00:45:26,120 –> 00:45:33,800
\nIf you let God work through you,
\nif you actually let him put his <\/p>\n
633
\n00:45:33,840 –> 00:45:38,720
\nimage and likeness on you, he
\ncan do tremendous good. <\/p>\n
634
\n00:45:40,710 –> 00:45:44,310
\nHe doesn’t want you.
\nHe doesn’t want me. <\/p>\n
635
\n00:45:46,590 –> 00:45:51,470
\nHe wants him in you.
\nHe wants himself in me. <\/p>\n
636
\n00:45:53,190 –> 00:45:55,230
\nHe wants me to change, to be
\nlike him. <\/p>\n
637
\n00:45:57,510 –> 00:46:02,630
\nSo never doubt what God can do
\nthrough you, only question <\/p>\n
638
\n00:46:02,630 –> 00:46:07,450
\nwhether you’re letting him.
\nAnd what Paul is saying is that <\/p>\n
639
\n00:46:07,450 –> 00:46:11,210
\nhope is sure you are not an
\naccident, you are not a fraud, <\/p>\n
640
\n00:46:11,370 –> 00:46:17,330
\nyou are here on purpose.
\nAnd that God has known you from <\/p>\n
641
\n00:46:17,330 –> 00:46:20,890
\nthe beginning and he has been
\nworking to change you into the <\/p>\n
642
\n00:46:20,890 –> 00:46:23,530
\nimage of his son and he’s still
\nworking and he’s not going to <\/p>\n
643
\n00:46:23,530 –> 00:46:26,730
\ngive up and so.
\nPaul says that. <\/p>\n
644
\n00:46:26,730 –> 00:46:35,050
\nHope is a sure hope is a sure
\nhope is a hope which will not <\/p>\n
645
\n00:46:35,050 –> 00:46:40,100
\ndisappoint.
\nAnd Paul says not only that, but<\/p>\n
646
\n00:46:40,100 –> 00:46:42,860
\nI am saved by that hope, Paul
\nsays. <\/p>\n
647
\n00:46:44,980 –> 00:46:50,460
\nAnd Paul is willing to suffer.
\nBecause the Paul you understand <\/p>\n
648
\n00:46:50,660 –> 00:46:55,740
\nthat suffering is just nothing.
\nIt’s just nothing in comparison <\/p>\n
649
\n00:46:55,940 –> 00:46:58,540
\nto the hope.
\nI don’t think the world sees it <\/p>\n
650
\n00:46:58,540 –> 00:47:00,220
\nthat way.
\nI think most people see <\/p>\n
651
\n00:47:00,220 –> 00:47:09,420
\nsuffering in relation to hope.
\nThat’s the Wellington skyline, I<\/p>\n
652
\n00:47:09,420 –> 00:47:11,940
\nguess, taken from my a boat out
\nin the harbor. <\/p>\n
653
\n00:47:13,780 –> 00:47:15,500
\nI think people see things this
\nway. <\/p>\n
654
\n00:47:15,500 –> 00:47:18,900
\nThey can see, you know, I can
\nhave. <\/p>\n
655
\n00:47:19,900 –> 00:47:22,220
\nIt’s one of the riches of the
\nworld and all these wonderful <\/p>\n
656
\n00:47:22,220 –> 00:47:25,340
\nthings and expensive things and
\nnice things. <\/p>\n
657
\n00:47:26,900 –> 00:47:32,470
\nOr I could suffer for Christ.
\nThey see the suffering for <\/p>\n
658
\n00:47:32,470 –> 00:47:34,590
\nChrist in relation to the world
\nand its riches. <\/p>\n
659
\n00:47:34,590 –> 00:47:35,950
\nAnd they say this is a tough
\ncall. <\/p>\n
660
\n00:47:35,950 –> 00:47:37,310
\nI don’t know which one should I
\nwant? <\/p>\n
661
\n00:47:37,630 –> 00:47:42,430
\nShould I want all the world has
\nto offer me or should I want to <\/p>\n
662
\n00:47:42,430 –> 00:47:44,470
\nsuffer for Christ.
\nAnd they and they see this as <\/p>\n
663
\n00:47:44,470 –> 00:47:47,150
\nthis contrast.
\nBut you don’t, Paul actually he <\/p>\n
664
\n00:47:47,150 –> 00:47:50,310
\nnever saw things this way.
\nThis is not the way Paul sees <\/p>\n
665
\n00:47:50,310 –> 00:47:51,590
\nthings.
\nIt’s not the way he’s making <\/p>\n
666
\n00:47:51,590 –> 00:47:55,310
\ndecision.
\nBecause to the Paul, to Paul the<\/p>\n
667
\n00:47:55,310 –> 00:47:58,720
\nworld is suffering.
\nThat anything that he could <\/p>\n
668
\n00:47:58,720 –> 00:48:01,920
\npossibly get in this world can
\nbe taken away from him, or he <\/p>\n
669
\n00:48:01,920 –> 00:48:05,200
\ncould die and he loses it.
\nThen that the whole world is <\/p>\n
670
\n00:48:05,200 –> 00:48:08,080
\nsubject to misuse, the whole
\nworld is subject to vanity. <\/p>\n
671
\n00:48:08,680 –> 00:48:15,800
\nThat the world is suffering.
\nAnd so to Paul, it’s nothing. <\/p>\n
672
\n00:48:16,880 –> 00:48:21,840
\nHe sees it as done.
\nHe counts the world as done. <\/p>\n
673
\n00:48:22,880 –> 00:48:27,780
\nIt counts nothing for him.
\nBecause it’s only suffering. <\/p>\n
674
\n00:48:27,780 –> 00:48:30,500
\nAnd in fact he doesn’t even see
\nit as done. <\/p>\n
675
\n00:48:34,460 –> 00:48:39,220
\nHe sees it as irreversible
\ndeath. <\/p>\n
676
\n00:48:40,740 –> 00:48:45,540
\nAnd so to Paul.
\nThe real comparison, it’s not <\/p>\n
677
\n00:48:45,540 –> 00:48:48,100
\nbetween the world and its riches
\nand its wonders and all the <\/p>\n
678
\n00:48:48,100 –> 00:48:49,620
\nwonderful things that can give
\nhim. <\/p>\n
679
\n00:48:50,180 –> 00:48:53,380
\nThat’s not the comparison for
\nPaul. <\/p>\n
680
\n00:48:54,540 –> 00:49:00,890
\nThe comparison.
\nIs suffering with a hope or <\/p>\n
681
\n00:49:00,970 –> 00:49:04,010
\nirreversible death?
\nAnd I don’t think Paul thinks <\/p>\n
682
\n00:49:04,010 –> 00:49:06,370
\nabout suffering.
\nI think Paul sees it this way. <\/p>\n
683
\n00:49:08,690 –> 00:49:13,170
\nI think Paul sees it as
\nirreversible death versus the <\/p>\n
684
\n00:49:13,170 –> 00:49:17,010
\nglories of the Kingdom.
\nDo you think the world sees it <\/p>\n
685
\n00:49:17,010 –> 00:49:19,890
\nthis way?
\nBut you know what if you if you <\/p>\n
686
\n00:49:19,890 –> 00:49:22,920
\nthink about it.
\nAs as the as the wonderful <\/p>\n
687
\n00:49:22,920 –> 00:49:24,240
\nthings the world has to offer
\nyou. <\/p>\n
688
\n00:49:24,440 –> 00:49:27,840
\nOr suffering for Christ?
\nWell, that’s a hard. <\/p>\n
689
\n00:49:27,840 –> 00:49:28,800
\nWay to make a decision.
\nIt’s. <\/p>\n
690
\n00:49:30,160 –> 00:49:31,840
\nGoing to be real.
\nHard for you to choose, to set <\/p>\n
691
\n00:49:31,840 –> 00:49:33,000
\nyour mind on things of the
\nSpirit. <\/p>\n
692
\n00:49:33,000 –> 00:49:37,480
\nThat way if you if you see
\nthings in that light, it’s going<\/p>\n
693
\n00:49:37,480 –> 00:49:39,280
\nto be real hard for you to make
\ndecisions. <\/p>\n
694
\n00:49:40,520 –> 00:49:44,360
\nBut if you see it in the light
\nthat Paul sees it, if you, if <\/p>\n
695
\n00:49:44,360 –> 00:49:47,360
\nyou can, put yourself in his
\nposition as he’s writing these <\/p>\n
696
\n00:49:47,360 –> 00:49:49,820
\nthings.
\nAnd you see it this way. <\/p>\n
697
\n00:49:50,140 –> 00:49:52,140
\nBoy, it’s a lot easier to make
\ndecisions, isn’t it? <\/p>\n
698
\n00:49:53,660 –> 00:49:59,860
\nSuch subtle change of thinking.
\nAnd we look back at the parable <\/p>\n
699
\n00:49:59,860 –> 00:50:04,900
\nwe started with and we see a man
\nforgiven a very large debt. <\/p>\n
700
\n00:50:06,900 –> 00:50:09,500
\nAnd that servant was under an
\nobligation, even though the debt<\/p>\n
701
\n00:50:09,500 –> 00:50:11,660
\nwas forgiven.
\nAnd that obligation was in a <\/p>\n
702
\n00:50:11,660 –> 00:50:16,000
\nsense to be like his Lord.
\nThe obligation was to forgive <\/p>\n
703
\n00:50:16,040 –> 00:50:17,080
\nand.
\nFor and and. <\/p>\n
704
\n00:50:17,200 –> 00:50:21,520
\nNot only to forgive but to
\nsuffer the loss of wealth and <\/p>\n
705
\n00:50:21,520 –> 00:50:24,200
\nthe parable itself is prompted
\nby a question by Peter. <\/p>\n
706
\n00:50:24,440 –> 00:50:26,560
\nAnd Peter asked Jesus this
\nquestion. <\/p>\n
707
\n00:50:27,800 –> 00:50:29,560
\nThen Peter came to Jesus and
\nsaid Lord. <\/p>\n
708
\n00:50:29,680 –> 00:50:33,000
\nHow off shall I shall my brother
\nsin against me? <\/p>\n
709
\n00:50:34,160 –> 00:50:36,640
\nAnd I forgive him until seven
\ntimes? <\/p>\n
710
\n00:50:37,920 –> 00:50:42,000
\nAnd Jesus said unto him, Say not
\nunto thee until seven times, but<\/p>\n
711
\n00:50:42,000 –> 00:50:45,100
\nuntil 70 * 7.
\nThis Peter, I want to tell you a<\/p>\n
712
\n00:50:45,100 –> 00:50:51,340
\nstory, story about a man with a
\nvery large debt, and you’ll <\/p>\n
713
\n00:50:51,340 –> 00:50:55,260
\nremember from that story.
\nThat the man that owed the very <\/p>\n
714
\n00:50:55,260 –> 00:50:59,580
\nlarge debt, he owed 10,000
\ntalents and we talked about <\/p>\n
715
\n00:50:59,580 –> 00:51:02,140
\n10,000 talents.
\nThat was probably 200,000 years <\/p>\n
716
\n00:51:02,500 –> 00:51:10,300
\nof Labor, such that if a man had
\nworked from the day of Jesus <\/p>\n
717
\n00:51:10,300 –> 00:51:12,540
\ntill now, he’d be 1% done paying
\nthe debt. <\/p>\n
718
\n00:51:16,730 –> 00:51:19,770
\nNow, why would Jesus choose such
\nan impressively large amount? <\/p>\n
719
\n00:51:19,770 –> 00:51:22,690
\nNow he chooses that large amount
\nbecause it’s an impressively <\/p>\n
720
\n00:51:22,690 –> 00:51:26,050
\nlarge amount.
\nIt’s also the largest number the<\/p>\n
721
\n00:51:26,050 –> 00:51:29,490
\nGreeks really had.
\nBut there’s another reason he <\/p>\n
722
\n00:51:29,490 –> 00:51:31,290
\nchooses this impressively large
\namount. <\/p>\n
723
\n00:51:31,970 –> 00:51:36,410
\nCan someone think of a time or
\nstory in the Bible where 10,000 <\/p>\n
724
\n00:51:36,410 –> 00:51:40,930
\ntalents comes up?
\nWho said it? <\/p>\n
725
\n00:51:43,460 –> 00:51:47,140
\nVery good.
\nYou turn to Esther, Chapter 3 <\/p>\n
726
\n00:51:47,140 –> 00:51:53,580
\nversus 8:00 and 9:00.
\nWe’ll read about this <\/p>\n
727
\n00:51:53,580 –> 00:51:56,820
\nimpressively large debt.
\nOf course, not a debt. <\/p>\n
728
\n00:51:56,820 –> 00:52:05,740
\nIn this case, 10,000 talents,
\n200,000 years of Labor. <\/p>\n
729
\n00:52:06,460 –> 00:52:10,740
\nEsther, Chapter 3 and verses
\n8:00 and 9:00. <\/p>\n
730
\n00:52:16,120 –> 00:52:19,640
\nThen Hayman said to King
\nHajueris. <\/p>\n
731
\n00:52:20,760 –> 00:52:23,160
\nThere’s a certain people
\nscattered and dispersed among <\/p>\n
732
\n00:52:23,160 –> 00:52:25,400
\nall the.
\nPeople in all the provinces of <\/p>\n
733
\n00:52:25,400 –> 00:52:29,200
\nyour Kingdom.
\nTheir laws are different from <\/p>\n
734
\n00:52:29,240 –> 00:52:33,200
\nall the other peoples and they
\ndo not keep the King’s. <\/p>\n
735
\n00:52:33,200 –> 00:52:37,520
\nLaws.
\nTherefore, it is not fitting for<\/p>\n
736
\n00:52:37,520 –> 00:52:44,140
\nthe king to let them remain.
\nIf it pleases the king, let a <\/p>\n
737
\n00:52:44,140 –> 00:52:47,540
\ndecree be written that they be
\ndestroyed. <\/p>\n
738
\n00:52:48,860 –> 00:52:56,500
\nAnd I will pay 10,000 talents of
\nsilver into the hands of those <\/p>\n
739
\n00:52:56,500 –> 00:52:59,460
\nwho do the work.
\nTo bring it into the King’s <\/p>\n
740
\n00:52:59,460 –> 00:53:08,460
\ntreasuries.
\nNow imagine forgiving a <\/p>\n
741
\n00:53:08,460 –> 00:53:10,970
\ncharacter.
\nSuch as Heyman. <\/p>\n
742
\n00:53:14,930 –> 00:53:21,450
\nImagine not blaming God if you
\nheard there was a decree issued <\/p>\n
743
\n00:53:22,370 –> 00:53:25,130
\nfrom the king ordering your
\ndeath. <\/p>\n
744
\n00:53:27,530 –> 00:53:29,610
\nIn fact, I can’t even go there
\nin my head. <\/p>\n
745
\n00:53:30,410 –> 00:53:33,490
\nI can’t even imagine what that
\nwould feel like. <\/p>\n
746
\n00:53:34,090 –> 00:53:37,330
\nI can’t even imagine the
\nbitterness I would have over <\/p>\n
747
\n00:53:37,330 –> 00:53:46,690
\nsuch a decree.
\nHow would you respond to <\/p>\n
748
\n00:53:46,690 –> 00:53:49,530
\nsuffering like this?
\nInflicted by man like Haman? <\/p>\n
749
\n00:53:51,770 –> 00:53:57,410
\nYou know, forgiveness.
\nForgiveness is a hard thing to <\/p>\n
750
\n00:53:57,410 –> 00:54:00,890
\ngive, All right?
\nForgiveness basically means, <\/p>\n
751
\n00:54:01,290 –> 00:54:04,890
\nyeah, I’m not going to get.
\nBack whatever was done to you. <\/p>\n
752
\n00:54:05,050 –> 00:54:07,880
\nYou’re not going to get back.
\nYou’re not going to punish that <\/p>\n
753
\n00:54:07,880 –> 00:54:09,320
\nperson.
\nYou’re not going to hurt that <\/p>\n
754
\n00:54:09,320 –> 00:54:11,320
\nperson.
\nYou’re not going to get the debt<\/p>\n
755
\n00:54:11,320 –> 00:54:19,560
\nrepaid.
\nIt’s difficult, you know. <\/p>\n
756
\n00:54:19,640 –> 00:54:22,000
\nAnd I I bring this up because
\nPaul asked this important <\/p>\n
757
\n00:54:22,000 –> 00:54:25,280
\nquestion in Rome, is he says,
\nwho can separate you from the <\/p>\n
758
\n00:54:25,280 –> 00:54:30,400
\nlove of Christ?
\nBut the reason I bring this up <\/p>\n
759
\n00:54:30,400 –> 00:54:32,120
\nis because I want to ask you
\nthis question. <\/p>\n
760
\n00:54:33,800 –> 00:54:39,120
\nWhat if you don’t forgive?
\nWhat if you don’t forgive? <\/p>\n
761
\n00:54:41,040 –> 00:54:42,920
\nSee when you don’t forgive.
\nAnother person. <\/p>\n
762
\n00:54:44,240 –> 00:54:50,040
\nOr if you don’t forgive God.
\nExcuse me for saying that, but <\/p>\n
763
\n00:54:50,040 –> 00:54:57,160
\nif you don’t forgive God for
\nwhatever suffering you’ve gone <\/p>\n
764
\n00:54:57,160 –> 00:55:02,760
\nthrough, anger and resentment
\nwill build up in you. <\/p>\n
765
\n00:55:03,910 –> 00:55:06,950
\nAnd you continue to feel this
\npain and its torment, and you <\/p>\n
766
\n00:55:06,990 –> 00:55:08,750
\nagonize over what you’ve gone
\nthrough. <\/p>\n
767
\n00:55:08,990 –> 00:55:13,110
\nAnd in order to distance
\nyourself from that pain, you <\/p>\n
768
\n00:55:13,110 –> 00:55:16,270
\nstart to blame.
\nBecause blame is a really good <\/p>\n
769
\n00:55:16,270 –> 00:55:18,950
\ntool to protect yourself from
\npain. <\/p>\n
770
\n00:55:18,950 –> 00:55:23,150
\nYou see, the whole world gets a
\nlot simpler when it’s someone <\/p>\n
771
\n00:55:23,150 –> 00:55:27,510
\nelse’s fault, and it’s a very
\nnatural defense. <\/p>\n
772
\n00:55:29,590 –> 00:55:32,190
\nBut why would someone else
\nhurting us? <\/p>\n
773
\n00:55:33,120 –> 00:55:36,240
\nSeparate us from Christ’s love.
\nWhy would someone else hurting <\/p>\n
774
\n00:55:36,240 –> 00:55:38,520
\nus separate us from Christ’s
\nlove? <\/p>\n
775
\n00:55:39,840 –> 00:55:41,920
\nWho here has had someone in the
\nmeeting hurt them? <\/p>\n
776
\n00:55:44,200 –> 00:55:46,080
\nVery few.
\nI’m really impressed. <\/p>\n
777
\n00:55:46,680 –> 00:55:47,640
\nYoung people.
\nJust wait. <\/p>\n
778
\n00:55:49,200 –> 00:55:54,280
\nJust wait.
\nAll you old people, if you <\/p>\n
779
\n00:55:54,280 –> 00:55:55,320
\nhaven’t.
\nHad someone hurt you in the <\/p>\n
780
\n00:55:55,320 –> 00:55:55,920
\nmeeting?
\nI’m in. <\/p>\n
781
\n00:55:55,920 –> 00:56:01,440
\nTruly, truly thankful for you.
\nI am only 32 and I’ve had people<\/p>\n
782
\n00:56:01,440 –> 00:56:06,120
\nin the meeting hurt me.
\nWhat happens if I don’t forgive <\/p>\n
783
\n00:56:06,120 –> 00:56:09,000
\nthem?
\nWhat if I let resentment build <\/p>\n
784
\n00:56:09,000 –> 00:56:12,240
\nup inside of me?
\nWhat if I say I’m not going to <\/p>\n
785
\n00:56:12,240 –> 00:56:15,440
\ncome to meeting because that
\nperson’s going to be there, <\/p>\n
786
\n00:56:18,120 –> 00:56:21,040
\nwhere we say I’m not going to go
\nto activity because that <\/p>\n
787
\n00:56:21,040 –> 00:56:24,040
\nperson’s there.
\nI’m not going to minister <\/p>\n
788
\n00:56:24,120 –> 00:56:25,480
\nbecause that person might be
\nthere. <\/p>\n
789
\n00:56:26,080 –> 00:56:28,000
\nThat person speaking, I don’t
\nwant to hear anything. <\/p>\n
790
\n00:56:28,000 –> 00:56:29,480
\nThey.
\nHave to say, I’m not going to <\/p>\n
791
\n00:56:29,480 –> 00:56:31,200
\nsupport the meeting on this
\nSunday. <\/p>\n
792
\n00:56:33,730 –> 00:56:37,290
\nWhat happens when that
\nresentment builds up inside? <\/p>\n
793
\n00:56:39,010 –> 00:56:42,210
\nWhy would someone else hurting
\nus separate us from Christ’s <\/p>\n
794
\n00:56:42,210 –> 00:56:45,410
\nlove?
\nBut it does. <\/p>\n
795
\n00:56:46,530 –> 00:56:48,250
\nIt does when you don’t forgive,
\ndoesn’t it? <\/p>\n
796
\n00:56:49,130 –> 00:56:56,850
\nIt can do.
\nOr what if you’ve been hurt and <\/p>\n
797
\n00:56:56,850 –> 00:57:00,930
\nyou actually begin to blame God?
\nOr blame Christ? <\/p>\n
798
\n00:57:01,550 –> 00:57:05,750
\nWhat if you felt entitled to
\nsomething better or easier than <\/p>\n
799
\n00:57:05,750 –> 00:57:08,950
\nyou actually got?
\nNo, Paul says. <\/p>\n
800
\n00:57:08,950 –> 00:57:12,630
\nWe have an obligation in Christ
\nto suffer, to carry our cross, <\/p>\n
801
\n00:57:16,630 –> 00:57:21,430
\nbut we’re not.
\nCareful, we’ll resent God <\/p>\n
802
\n00:57:23,110 –> 00:57:30,110
\nbecause we interpret suffering
\nas God not hearing us. <\/p>\n
803
\n00:57:31,080 –> 00:57:36,720
\nOr listening to our prayers, or
\nloving us if we think our <\/p>\n
804
\n00:57:36,720 –> 00:57:41,800
\nsuffering is God not hearing us,
\nGod not listening to our. <\/p>\n
805
\n00:57:41,800 –> 00:57:44,240
\nPrayers.
\nGod not loving us. <\/p>\n
806
\n00:57:46,040 –> 00:57:49,200
\nWhat we can do is that we can
\nactually put an obligation on <\/p>\n
807
\n00:57:49,200 –> 00:57:52,080
\nGod, and this is the obligation
\nwe can put on God. <\/p>\n
808
\n00:57:52,280 –> 00:57:57,000
\nGod, I’d like to live a
\ncomfortable life. <\/p>\n
809
\n00:57:59,900 –> 00:58:01,940
\nAnd if I don’t live a
\ncomfortable life, I’m not going <\/p>\n
810
\n00:58:01,940 –> 00:58:05,260
\nto love you.
\nSo God, your obligation, God <\/p>\n
811
\n00:58:05,260 –> 00:58:08,340
\nyour debt to me is that I live
\nsuch a comfortable life. <\/p>\n
812
\n00:58:11,260 –> 00:58:16,100
\nDoes God have that?
\nObligation to you what? <\/p>\n
813
\n00:58:16,820 –> 00:58:22,460
\nWhat if God did nothing else for
\nyou, did nothing else for you, <\/p>\n
814
\n00:58:23,500 –> 00:58:27,900
\nbut sinned his?
\nSon to condemn sin. <\/p>\n
815
\n00:58:30,000 –> 00:58:35,640
\nWould that be enough?
\nIf God didn’t do anything else <\/p>\n
816
\n00:58:35,640 –> 00:58:43,680
\nfor you but he condemned sin,
\nwould you resent him for doing <\/p>\n
817
\n00:58:43,680 –> 00:58:48,400
\njust that?
\nWhat? <\/p>\n
818
\n00:58:48,400 –> 00:58:52,560
\nIs it going to be enough?
\nHave we put an obligation on <\/p>\n
819
\n00:58:52,560 –> 00:58:57,400
\nGod?
\nHave we not forgiven someone <\/p>\n
820
\n00:58:57,400 –> 00:59:01,960
\nelse?
\nAnd we’re blaming and that blame<\/p>\n
821
\n00:59:03,120 –> 00:59:05,120
\nis separating us from the love
\nof God. <\/p>\n
822
\n00:59:06,000 –> 00:59:08,520
\nI’m not saying, by the way, that
\nthe person that that you’re <\/p>\n
823
\n00:59:08,520 –> 00:59:13,880
\nblaming did right or did wrong
\nor did anything. <\/p>\n
824
\n00:59:14,160 –> 00:59:16,920
\nI don’t know.
\nThey probably deserve whatever <\/p>\n
825
\n00:59:16,920 –> 00:59:19,880
\nit is that you have some feeling
\nagainst them for. <\/p>\n
826
\n00:59:23,520 –> 00:59:29,130
\nBut if you don’t forgive.
\nYou can separate yourself from <\/p>\n
827
\n00:59:29,130 –> 00:59:34,370
\nthe love of God.
\nAnd if we suffer? <\/p>\n
828
\n00:59:34,370 –> 00:59:37,370
\nLoss in this world.
\nAnd we’re hurt by others, or <\/p>\n
829
\n00:59:37,370 –> 00:59:39,930
\nwe’re infected with mortality,
\nwhich we all are. <\/p>\n
830
\n00:59:40,650 –> 00:59:49,970
\nWould not we learn that putting
\nhope in this world is no hope at<\/p>\n
831
\n00:59:49,970 –> 00:59:55,010
\nall?
\nWould not suffering by the hands<\/p>\n
832
\n00:59:55,010 –> 00:59:59,090
\nof others?
\nOr with mortality teaches this <\/p>\n
833
\n00:59:59,090 –> 01:00:05,610
\nlesson alone, that hope in this
\nworld is ultimately no hope at <\/p>\n
834
\n01:00:05,610 –> 01:00:09,090
\nall.
\nAnd so Paul concludes Romans. 8.<\/p>\n
835
\n01:00:09,610 –> 01:00:13,690
\nBy saying that God never turns
\naway from you, He never abandons<\/p>\n
836
\n01:00:13,690 –> 01:00:17,010
\nyou, He never leaves you, and he
\nnever stops loving you, no <\/p>\n
837
\n01:00:17,010 –> 01:00:21,730
\nmatter what suffering you may
\nendure, and that nothing can <\/p>\n
838
\n01:00:21,730 –> 01:00:25,710
\ntake that love from you.
\nRomans 8 verse 35 Who shall <\/p>\n
839
\n01:00:25,710 –> 01:00:27,590
\nseparate us from the love of
\nChrist? <\/p>\n
840
\n01:00:28,150 –> 01:00:34,390
\nShall tribulation, you tell me,
\nshall distress you tell me, or <\/p>\n
841
\n01:00:34,390 –> 01:00:39,510
\npersecution, or famine, or
\nnakedness, or peril, or sword, <\/p>\n
842
\n01:00:39,910 –> 01:00:42,830
\nas it’s written for your sake.
\nWe’re killed all the day long. <\/p>\n
843
\n01:00:42,990 –> 01:00:44,670
\nWe’re counted sheep for the
\nslaughter. <\/p>\n
844
\n01:00:45,630 –> 01:00:48,750
\nYet in all these things were
\nmore than conquerors through him<\/p>\n
845
\n01:00:48,750 –> 01:00:49,550
\nwho loved.
\nUs. <\/p>\n
846
\n01:00:50,350 –> 01:00:54,030
\nFor I’m persuaded that neither
\ndeath, nor life, nor angels, nor<\/p>\n
847
\n01:00:54,030 –> 01:00:58,590
\nprincipalities, nor powers, nor
\nthings presence, nor things that<\/p>\n
848
\n01:00:58,590 –> 01:01:04,630
\ncome, nor height, nor death, nor
\nanything in all creation, shall <\/p>\n
849
\n01:01:04,630 –> 01:01:07,830
\nbe able to separate us from the
\nlove of God which is in Christ <\/p>\n
850
\n01:01:07,870 –> 01:01:09,670
\nJesus.
\nAnd Paul does not mention <\/p>\n
851
\n01:01:09,670 –> 01:01:13,270
\nsomething.
\nHe does not mention you because <\/p>\n
852
\n01:01:13,270 –> 01:01:16,390
\nyou can separate yourself from
\nthe love of Christ, but not <\/p>\n
853
\n01:01:16,390 –> 01:01:18,950
\nbecause of Christ because you’re
\nangry. <\/p>\n
854
\n01:01:19,560 –> 01:01:22,800
\nAt the Tribulation.
\nYou’re hurt by the sword. <\/p>\n
855
\n01:01:23,440 –> 01:01:25,960
\nYou’re hungry and you’re sick
\nfrom persecution. <\/p>\n
856
\n01:01:26,120 –> 01:01:28,280
\nAnd because of all you’ve
\nsuffered, and because of all <\/p>\n
857
\n01:01:28,280 –> 01:01:31,160
\nyou’ve struggled with, you have
\nresentment and anger and <\/p>\n
858
\n01:01:31,160 –> 01:01:33,720
\nbitterness.
\nAnd you choose not to fulfill <\/p>\n
859
\n01:01:33,720 –> 01:01:37,080
\nyour obligation.
\nAnd that obligation is to suffer<\/p>\n
860
\n01:01:37,200 –> 01:01:40,320
\nand to forgive.
\nAnd you blame God. <\/p>\n
861
\n01:01:41,080 –> 01:01:42,800
\nIf you loved you, how could this
\nhappen? <\/p>\n
862
\n01:01:43,200 –> 01:01:44,640
\nYou were entitled to a good
\nlife. <\/p>\n
863
\n01:01:44,800 –> 01:01:49,710
\nNow it’s all messed up.
\nAnd then you realize. <\/p>\n
864
\n01:01:51,270 –> 01:01:59,630
\nAnd then hopefully at that
\nmoment, you realize my hope was <\/p>\n
865
\n01:01:59,630 –> 01:02:03,310
\nfor this life and was for this
\nworld. <\/p>\n
866
\n01:02:05,430 –> 01:02:10,750
\nAnd guess what?
\nIt didn’t turn out. <\/p>\n
867
\n01:02:14,350 –> 01:02:26,010
\nIs that God’s fault?
\nIt’s the answer, brothers and <\/p>\n
868
\n01:02:26,010 –> 01:02:28,050
\nsisters.
\nYoung people isn’t in laying <\/p>\n
869
\n01:02:28,050 –> 01:02:31,850
\nblame for suffering.
\nThere is no answer in blame. <\/p>\n
870
\n01:02:32,090 –> 01:02:40,810
\nThere is no answer in blame.
\nThe point is that you love God <\/p>\n
871
\n01:02:40,810 –> 01:02:42,770
\nthrough it, no matter what it
\nis. <\/p>\n
872
\n01:02:43,450 –> 01:02:49,610
\nAnd God can and will bring good
\nunder affliction. <\/p>\n
873
\n01:02:51,360 –> 01:02:57,720
\nAnd that good may simply be your
\nconfidence and a hope that <\/p>\n
874
\n01:02:57,720 –> 01:03:06,600
\nendures.
\nAnd so when Jesus suffered, he <\/p>\n
875
\n01:03:06,600 –> 01:03:11,400
\nforgave because in forgiving on
\nthe cross. <\/p>\n
876
\n01:03:12,600 –> 01:03:15,360
\nHe actually ensured.
\nThat no resentment or any <\/p>\n
877
\n01:03:15,360 –> 01:03:18,280
\nbitterness would come between
\nhim and the love of the Father <\/p>\n
878
\n01:03:18,440 –> 01:03:21,590
\nat that moment in time.
\nAnd you know, the Father heard <\/p>\n
879
\n01:03:21,590 –> 01:03:25,110
\nhim and loved him, and every
\nmoment of pain and every moment <\/p>\n
880
\n01:03:25,110 –> 01:03:28,110
\nof torment that he went through.
\nThe Father loved him in every <\/p>\n
881
\n01:03:28,110 –> 01:03:30,550
\nmoment.
\nThe Father never turned away <\/p>\n
882
\n01:03:30,550 –> 01:03:33,630
\nfrom him.
\nThe Father never turned away <\/p>\n
883
\n01:03:33,630 –> 01:03:38,350
\nfrom Christ, but loved him in
\nevery groan and every even. <\/p>\n
884
\n01:03:38,350 –> 01:03:41,910
\nWhen Christ couldn’t even speak
\nwords, even when the only thing <\/p>\n
885
\n01:03:41,910 –> 01:03:45,470
\nthat he could utter were groans,
\nthose groans ascended to the <\/p>\n
886
\n01:03:45,470 –> 01:03:52,910
\nFather as acceptable prayers.
\nAnd even when you don’t have the<\/p>\n
887
\n01:03:52,910 –> 01:03:55,710
\nwords and all you can do is
\ngroan. <\/p>\n
888
\n01:03:55,990 –> 01:04:01,830
\nIf you groan under the weight of
\nthis flesh and with hope for <\/p>\n
889
\n01:04:01,830 –> 01:04:06,310
\nsalvation, then those groans
\nascend the Father as acceptable <\/p>\n
890
\n01:04:06,310 –> 01:04:13,150
\nprayers to him when Alan was on
\nhis deathbed and he could only <\/p>\n
891
\n01:04:13,150 –> 01:04:16,190
\ngroan.
\nThe Father turned away from him <\/p>\n
892
\n01:04:16,190 –> 01:04:18,990
\nat that moment because he
\ncouldn’t articulate prayers, <\/p>\n
893
\n01:04:22,430 –> 01:04:26,070
\neven groans said in hope of
\nsalvation. <\/p>\n
894
\n01:04:27,670 –> 01:04:36,900
\nOur acceptable prayers to God
\nand Father heard Christ on the <\/p>\n
895
\n01:04:36,900 –> 01:04:45,860
\ncross and God brought tremendous
\ngood and our obligation. <\/p>\n
896
\n01:04:47,990 –> 01:04:53,710
\nIs to be like him, to forgive
\nlike him, to love like him. <\/p>\n
897
\n01:04:53,710 –> 01:05:00,110
\nAnd we can only do this if our
\nhope is strong and we understand<\/p>\n
898
\n01:05:00,110 –> 01:05:06,230
\nthat every suffering, anything
\nwe endure, can only bring <\/p>\n
899
\n01:05:06,310 –> 01:05:12,150
\npatience.
\nAnd patience brings hope, and <\/p>\n
900
\n01:05:12,150 –> 01:05:17,230
\nthat hope is very, very sure and
\nnothing. <\/p>\n
901
\n01:05:17,610 –> 01:05:21,330
\nNothing, young people, nothing
\ncan take that hope away from <\/p>\n
902
\n01:05:21,330 –> 01:05:24,410
\nyou.
\nNothing anyone does from you. <\/p>\n
903
\n01:05:24,770 –> 01:05:27,730
\nIf you get sick, if anyone else
\ngets sick, if you get hurt, <\/p>\n
904
\n01:05:27,930 –> 01:05:30,850
\nthere’s an accident.
\nIf someone, the meeting does <\/p>\n
905
\n01:05:30,850 –> 01:05:37,250
\nsomething horrific.
\nNothing can take away that love <\/p>\n
906
\n01:05:37,890 –> 01:05:45,010
\nfrom you.
\nNothing in all creation. <\/p>\n
907
\n01:05:49,650 –> 01:05:53,090
\nAnd knowing this and having that
\nhope is how you walk after the <\/p>\n
908
\n01:05:53,090 –> 01:05:57,170
\nSpirit.
\nThat’s how you walk after the <\/p>\n
909
\n01:05:57,170 –> 01:06:03,050
\nSpirit.
\nIn that hope made sure through <\/p>\n
910
\n01:06:03,050 –> 01:06:04,690
\nyour understanding of
\nscriptures. <\/p>\n
911
\n01:06:09,170 –> 01:06:11,170
\nThis is what it means for the
\nSpirit to guide you. <\/p>\n
912
\n01:06:17,300 –> 01:06:22,860
\nSo what our hope not be bound up
\nin this present world, for our <\/p>\n
913
\n01:06:22,860 –> 01:06:27,780
\nsuffering now is but a light of
\nfiction, compared to exceeding <\/p>\n
914
\n01:06:27,780 –> 01:06:35,700
\nan eternal weight of glory?
\n2nd Corinthians 417 and 18 For <\/p>\n
915
\n01:06:35,700 –> 01:06:43,740
\nour light of fiction, which is
\nfor a moment worketh for us. <\/p>\n
916
\n01:06:44,760 –> 01:06:50,240
\nFar more exceeding an eternal
\nweight of glory, while we look <\/p>\n
917
\n01:06:50,240 –> 01:06:55,880
\nnot at the things which are
\nseen, but at the things which <\/p>\n
918
\n01:06:55,880 –> 01:07:00,680
\nare not seen.
\nThe things which are seen are <\/p>\n
919
\n01:07:01,960 –> 01:07:08,480
\ntemporal, The things which are
\nnot seen are eternal. <\/p>\n
920
\n01:07:17,310 –> 01:07:17,550
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