Class 2 from Bro. Ben Brinkerhoff\u2019s series on \u201cUnity in Ephesus\u201d.<\/p>\n
Class 6 from this series was used for GCT Episode 043.<\/p>\n
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\nOur second period teacher is
\nbrother. <\/p>\n
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\nBen Brinckerhoff is General
\ntopic is unity and Ephesus the <\/p>\n
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\nstory of the Ecclesia.
\nIn Ephesus, today’s topic is <\/p>\n
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\nbattling false Doctrine and
\nEphesus for the red. <\/p>\n
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\nGood morning.
\nMy beloved brothers and sisters.<\/p>\n
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\nI I find it helpful to summarize
\nthe last class at the start of <\/p>\n
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\nthe next one.
\nJust so there’s a little bit of <\/p>\n
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\ncontinuity and we conclude our
\nlast class by looking just <\/p>\n
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\nbriefly at a verse from Timothy
\nabout Doctrine. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd you might recall it, the
\nverse was first Timothy 4:16 <\/p>\n
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\nwhere Paul is exhorting, Timothy
\nand saying, take heed unto <\/p>\n
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\nthyself.
\nAnd unto the doctrine. <\/p>\n
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\nContinue in them for, in doing
\nthis. <\/p>\n
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\nThou shalt both save thyself and
\nthem that hear thee. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd I quoted this to put a final
\npoint on how important Doctrine <\/p>\n
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\nreally is.
\nI tried to point out two simple <\/p>\n
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\ntruths right by way of summary
\nto simple truths and our last <\/p>\n
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\nsession together.
\nThe first is that we have no <\/p>\n
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\nbasis for Unity.
\nUnless you also have a basis for<\/p>\n
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\nseparation.
\nThe second truth was. <\/p>\n
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\nIf that base is the gospel.
\nThey understand it to be a <\/p>\n
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\nmatter of life and death. we’re
\nunified as a body of Christ, and<\/p>\n
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\nso far, as we also separate from
\nthose who do not hold the same <\/p>\n
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\nbasis of that Unity, And these
\ntwo Foundation planks of the <\/p>\n
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\nGospel were shown to us in Acts
\nchapters 18 and 19 and the first<\/p>\n
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\nwas the name of the Lord Jesus
\nChrist. <\/p>\n
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\nTo which Apollo send the
\nApostles of John Disciples of <\/p>\n
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\nJohn both the seated and by
\nwhich they enjoyed Unity with <\/p>\n
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\nthe Brethren and Ephesus.
\nAnd the second point of the <\/p>\n
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\nGospel was the kingdom of God
\nfor which cause Paul separated <\/p>\n
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\nthe Ecclesia from the Jews upon
\nhearing the doctrine, smoking <\/p>\n
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\nevil of in the synagogue.
\nBut it wasn’t by accident that <\/p>\n
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\nwe’ve in.
\nFinished yesterday by coding <\/p>\n
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\nfrom 1st Timothy.
\nSee you isn’t. <\/p>\n
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\nIt was Timothy who Paul left in
\nEphesus as a young leader? <\/p>\n
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\nAfter he departed, there’s
\nalways disputes about <\/p>\n
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\nchronologies.
\nI’m not particularly interested <\/p>\n
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\nin them.
\nI’ve looked at all of them. <\/p>\n
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\nThis is, I think the best
\nrepresentation that I can make <\/p>\n
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\nof, some of the key dates that
\nare happening for us here. <\/p>\n
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\nBut what I want to point out is
\nthat Paul is in Ephesus around, <\/p>\n
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\n80 57, he’s there for about
\nthree years. <\/p>\n
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\nHe’s arrested upon the start of
\nhis fourth missionary journey <\/p>\n
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\nand during that time in Rome I
\nbelieve he writes Ephesians <\/p>\n
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\nPhilippians Colossians and
\nPhilemon. <\/p>\n
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\nPaul is then released from
\nprison in Rome, this is after <\/p>\n
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\nthe time of Acts has concluded
\nand then sometime after that I’m<\/p>\n
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\nguessing around ad 66 Paul
\nwrites First. <\/p>\n
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\nTimothy and Titus Surely there
\nafter he’s arrested and he <\/p>\n
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\nwrites, second Timothy.
\nThe reason I point out that <\/p>\n
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\nchronology is to tell you that
\nwe’re going to go out of <\/p>\n
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\nchronological order.
\nSo really? <\/p>\n
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\nNext thing we should be,
\ndiscussing is the book of <\/p>\n
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\nEphesians.
\nHowever, I find that the issue <\/p>\n
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\nof Doctrine, whatever that issue
\nwas that Paul says Listen. <\/p>\n
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\nHold to this because it’s going
\nto save you, and it’s going to <\/p>\n
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\nsave others.
\nWhatever that issue is of <\/p>\n
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\nDoctrine, is much better Define
\nfor us. <\/p>\n
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\nIn 1st Timothy, then it’s
\ndefined in Ephesians. <\/p>\n
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\nSo I want uncover what that
\ncontroversy in the equation was <\/p>\n
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\nbecause if we understand it,
\nthen we can look back at a <\/p>\n
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\nfusions written, maybe four
\nyears earlier and see how this <\/p>\n
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\nthing is being discussed then.
\nSo if you’ll just give me that <\/p>\n
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\npatients, let’s go out of
\nchronological order. <\/p>\n
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\nLet’s go.
\nThen to First, Timothy I also <\/p>\n
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\nwant to make one thing clear
\nabout this session today. <\/p>\n
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\nThis session is going to contain
\nperhaps more than most sessions.<\/p>\n
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\nSome Exposition because we’re
\ntrying to understand what this <\/p>\n
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\ndoctrinal controversy was.
\nHappening in Ephesus and in the <\/p>\n
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\ncollages of Asia and it’s going
\nto form a foundation upon which <\/p>\n
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\nwe can then make more
\neducational classes later on in <\/p>\n
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\nthis week.
\nSo if you’ll just bear me a <\/p>\n
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\nlittle bit of patience today
\nwith the exposition and this <\/p>\n
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\nstudy I hope you still find
\ninteresting. <\/p>\n
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\nI know my dad will there’s a lot
\nof history involved and other <\/p>\n
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\nboring things that we both find
\ninteresting. <\/p>\n
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\nSo so let’s thin turn over to
\nFirst Timothy. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd we’re to look at verses 1, 2
\n3. <\/p>\n
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\nWhere the book opens this way?
\nPaul, an apostle of Jesus Christ<\/p>\n
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\nby the Commandment of God, our
\nsavior and the Lord Jesus <\/p>\n
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\nChrist, which is Our Hope on to
\nTimothy my own son in the faith,<\/p>\n
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\ngrace, mercy and peace from God,
\nour Father and Jesus Christ. <\/p>\n
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\nOur Lord, as I besought Thee, To
\nabide still at Ephesus, when I <\/p>\n
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\nwent into Macedonia, that thou
\nmightest charge some that they <\/p>\n
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\nteach no other Doctrine.
\nSo at the very beginning of this<\/p>\n
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\nletter, Paul lays out that the
\nmain thing happening for which <\/p>\n
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\nPaul needs to talk to Timothy
\nabout, is there some variety of <\/p>\n
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\nwarning about false doctrine?
\nThat is arising within that <\/p>\n
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\nEcclesia?
\nAnd it’s for this reason I think<\/p>\n
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\nin Timothy, the idea of Doctrine
\nis mentioned so often in fact, I<\/p>\n
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\ndon’t know if you’re interested
\nin Coloring, things like this in<\/p>\n
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\nbut you might want to color this
\none in or write a little note in<\/p>\n
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\nTimothy because it comes up
\nquite often. <\/p>\n
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\nFirst Timothy chapter 1 verse 3
\nwhich we looked and verse 10 4:6<\/p>\n
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\n13 and 16. 5:17 chapter 6, verse
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\nsix chapters So Paul knew that
\nhe needed to encourage Timothy <\/p>\n
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\nbecause some issue of false
\nDoctrine was arising. <\/p>\n
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\nNow, my question to you and my
\nquestion for the study is what <\/p>\n
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\nWhat was the issue of false <\/p>\n
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\nDoctrine happening in that
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\nMaybe, you know?
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\nmaybe there’s a question to
\nwrestle with and see if we can <\/p>\n
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\nfind some resolution with in
\nthis class today. <\/p>\n
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\nNow, Paul knew that that false
\nDoctrine would arise in the <\/p>\n
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\nequation, he absolutely knew it.
\nIn fact, he warned the Ecclesia <\/p>\n
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\nof it.
\nInverses, I’m sure you’re <\/p>\n
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\nfamiliar with when Paul calls
\nthe Elders of Ephesus down into <\/p>\n
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\nMeletis on his way back to carry
\nthe Jerusalem. <\/p>\n
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\nPoor fun to, you know, back to
\nJerusalem. <\/p>\n
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\nAt the end of the third
\nmissionary journey, he calls the<\/p>\n
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\nelders in the latest, and he
\ngives them a warning and, and <\/p>\n
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\nsome verses taken out of the
\nmidst of that warning are found <\/p>\n
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\nin Acts chapter 20 verses 28 to
\n30. <\/p>\n
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\nWe read there, take heed,
\ntherefore unto yourselves. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd to all the flock over, which
\nthe Holy Spirit hath made you <\/p>\n
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\noverseers to lead the Ecclesia
\nof God, which he hath purchased <\/p>\n
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\nwith his own blood for.
\nI know this that after my <\/p>\n
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\ndeparting shall Grievous.
\nWolves, enter in among you not <\/p>\n
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\nsparing.
\nThe flock also of your own <\/p>\n
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\nselves shall men.
\nArise speaking perverse, things <\/p>\n
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\nto draw away disciples after
\nthem. <\/p>\n
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\nNow why would she now excuse me?
\nWhy would Paul use the metaphor <\/p>\n
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\nof the wolf, right?
\nProbably, I’m sure you’re <\/p>\n
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\nthinking in your mind right now,
\nprobably in a reference, back to<\/p>\n
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\nThe Sermon on the Mount.
\nAnd Matthew chapter 7 and verse <\/p>\n
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\n15, where Jesus said this about
\nthat same metaphor, beware of <\/p>\n
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\nfalse prophets, which shall come
\nto you in sheep’s clothing, but <\/p>\n
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\ninwardly, they are ravening
\nwolves, right? <\/p>\n
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\nSo I use the metaphor of wolves.
\nI’m probably speaking about <\/p>\n
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\nfalse prophets.
\nIn fact, Paul. <\/p>\n
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\nAmongst yourselves within this
\ngroup. <\/p>\n
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\nWithin this very people here,
\nthere are going to come some <\/p>\n
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\nthat draw people after
\nthemselves, you know. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd how often is that actually
\ncreate the source of disunity in<\/p>\n
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\na cliches?
\nYou know, that that what happens<\/p>\n
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\nis a brother has a point.
\nAnd and some people agree to the<\/p>\n
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\npoint and then and then and then
\nhe gets a bit of a falling about<\/p>\n
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\nhis point and then and then he
\nraises the point up at the level<\/p>\n
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\nof a collegial discussion.
\nIan’s maybe throws a bomb into <\/p>\n
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\nthe business meeting.
\nYou know, has anyone seen I’ve <\/p>\n
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\ndone that, you know, you know II
\nstill apologize, the San Diego <\/p>\n
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\nEcclesia, they still have the
\nsome consequences of that. <\/p>\n
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\nSo so the reality is, you know,
\nyou because you want it, you <\/p>\n
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\nwant a reputation, you want a
\nfollowing. <\/p>\n
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\nThere’s a pride issue here.
\nWhat’s Paul saying that Grievous<\/p>\n
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\nwolves false prophets are going
\nto come in among you and are not<\/p>\n
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\ngoing to spare the flock.
\nOkay, well, he talks about. <\/p>\n
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\nThen speaking perverse, things
\nin that word perverse, their <\/p>\n
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\nmeans to corrupt.
\nSo something that was pure is <\/p>\n
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\ngoing to be made corrupt in
\ntheir teaching. <\/p>\n
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\nOkay.
\nNow what is it? <\/p>\n
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\nThat’s our question.
\nWhat is it? <\/p>\n
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\nWe’re told it was going to
\nhappen. <\/p>\n
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\nPaul knew was going to happen.
\nHe’s in, he’s writing Timothy to<\/p>\n
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\ndiscuss it because it has
\nhappened, but my question is, <\/p>\n
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\nwhat is it?
\nSo turning over to Timothy <\/p>\n
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\nfirst, Timothy Chapter 1 Verse
\n18. <\/p>\n
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\nWe pick up our first two Clues
\nregarding what this false <\/p>\n
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\nDoctrine is We read their verses
\n18 to 20. <\/p>\n
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\nThis charge.
\nI commit into thee, son, <\/p>\n
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\nTimothy, according to the
\nprophecies, which once before on<\/p>\n
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\nthee, that thou by them mightest
\nWar, a good Warfare holding <\/p>\n
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\nfaith and good conscience, which
\nsome having put away concerning <\/p>\n
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\nFaith have made shipwreck.
\nOf whom is hymenaeus and <\/p>\n
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\nAlexander whom.
\nI have delivered unto Satan, <\/p>\n
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\nthat they may not learn.
\nThey may learn not to blaspheme.<\/p>\n
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\nSo, so it appears that Paul puts
\nthese two out of the meeting. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s very likely, but not
\ncertain that. <\/p>\n
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\nWhat delivered unto Satan means
\nis that they were disfellowship.<\/p>\n
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\nWe might use that word
\ndisfellowshipped today. <\/p>\n
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\nThis is maybe how Paul was
\nphrasing it or or giving it a <\/p>\n
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\nterm in that day and age.
\nBut why were these two <\/p>\n
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\ndisfellowshipped?
\nWell, our first two Clues, our <\/p>\n
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\nthis Firstly that they put away
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\nConcerning faith.
\nAnd secondly, that they <\/p>\n
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\nAnd that they blast named.
\nSo what wrong Doctrine than were<\/p>\n
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\nAlexander and hymenaeus teaching
\nthat was caused to blaspheme? <\/p>\n
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\nAnd why did it cause him to lose
\nconscience. <\/p>\n
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\nWell consider some of the
\nevidence first direct evidence. <\/p>\n
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\nFortunately for Paul were given
\nthe name hymenaeus and now <\/p>\n
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\nthat’s a name we can trace
\nthrough scripture. <\/p>\n
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\nIn fact Amadeus comes up again
\nand second, Timothy chapter 2. <\/p>\n
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\nVerses 1618.
\nSo let’s do a pause to say about<\/p>\n
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\nhymenaeus thin and see, we can
\npick up some more clues. <\/p>\n
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\nWhat does Paul say about
\nhymenaeus? <\/p>\n
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\nAnd second Timothy Chapter 2,
\nverses 16 to 18, we read there <\/p>\n
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\nbut shun profane and vain
\nbabblings for, they will <\/p>\n
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\nincrease unto more ungodliness
\nand their word will eat as doth <\/p>\n
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\na canker in whom is hymenaeus
\nand philetus. <\/p>\n
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\nWho concerning the truth have
\naired. <\/p>\n
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\nSaying that the resurrection is
\npassed already and overthrow the<\/p>\n
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\nfaith of some so we pick up
\nthree more clues here about what<\/p>\n
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\nthis doctrinal controversy was
\nhappening in Ephesus. <\/p>\n
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\nOkay, these are the clues.
\nFirstly, they obviously taught <\/p>\n
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\nthat the resurrection was passed
\nalready. <\/p>\n
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\nNext is that this false Doctrine
\nled directly to ungodliness And <\/p>\n
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\nour last clue is this false
\nDoctrine, is called vain <\/p>\n
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\nbabblings, which is another way
\nof saying empty talk. <\/p>\n
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\nSo why was the doctrine called
\nVain babblings and what does <\/p>\n
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\nResurrection being passed <\/p>\n
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\nalready?
\nAnd what does this have to do <\/p>\n
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\nconscience or blasphemy or <\/p>\n
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\nungodliness for that matter?
\nSo what if, so how do we peace? <\/p>\n
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\nAll these different Clues
\ntogether. <\/p>\n
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\nWe got like the puzzle pieces,
\nright? <\/p>\n
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\nBut we don’t know how to fit it
\ntogether yet and to form the <\/p>\n
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\npicture that we’re trying to
\nlook at. <\/p>\n
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\nSir, turn back over to First
\nTimothy. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd let’s take a look at chapter
\n6 in verses 20 to 21. <\/p>\n
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\nWe have another significant clue
\nto bring to bear on this <\/p>\n
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\nSo 1st, Timothy Chapter, 6, thin
\nand verses 20 to 21 where we get<\/p>\n
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\nour last clue to the puzzle.
\nPaul says, Oh, Timothy. <\/p>\n
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\nKeep that which is committed to
\nthy Trust. <\/p>\n
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\nAvoid profane and vain
\nbabblings. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd opposition’s of science.
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\nprofessing at aired concerning
\nthe faith. <\/p>\n
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\nWell, that’s interesting,
\nopposition’s of science. <\/p>\n
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\nFalsely so-called you guys may
\nknow this but science is simply <\/p>\n
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\nAnd the Greek word for knowledge<\/p>\n
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\nis actually the word that Paul
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\ngnosis.
\nNow notice this means knowledge <\/p>\n
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\nsurrounding this word gnosis and<\/p>\n
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\nunfortunately it’s an issue that
\npervades Christianity. <\/p>\n
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\nThis Theory day So Scholars,
\nincluding dr. <\/p>\n
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\nThomas call this perversion
\ngnosticism. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s it’s like Christianity.
\nIt defines a very, very wide <\/p>\n
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\nvariety of beliefs so you can’t
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\nsomething and say, well, this is
\nexactly what that is. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s like defining the word
\nChristian on something. <\/p>\n
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\nWell, GA could be Mormon or it
\ncould be christadelphians, you <\/p>\n
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\nLike they would identify as <\/p>\n
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\nChristians, right?
\nSo, So it’s a represents a wide <\/p>\n
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\none of the things that are hard <\/p>\n
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\nto get your head around.
\nSo what exactly is Paul <\/p>\n
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\nreferring to here?
\nAnd what was this specific issue<\/p>\n
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\nhappening than in Ephesus?
\nIn general? <\/p>\n
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\nI’m gnostics believed that they
\nwere saved by gaining a special,<\/p>\n
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\nor secret knowledge and this
\nknowledge awakened their dead <\/p>\n
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\nSouls To life.
\nOkay, they’re dead flesh was <\/p>\n
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\nawakened by the special or
\nsecret knowledge. <\/p>\n
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\nNow, the best definition, I
\ncould find in the truth of <\/p>\n
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\ngnosticism comes from a book by
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\non the letters of John.
\nAnd other man’s feel is <\/p>\n
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\nsuggesting that the Apostle John
\nwas countering an early form of <\/p>\n
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\ngnosticism in part as he wrote
\nhis letters and explain <\/p>\n
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\ngnosticism, brother Mansfield
\nquotes from the Encyclopedia <\/p>\n
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\nBritannica and amongst other
\nsources. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd this is his quote, About
\nnarcissism. amongst the majority<\/p>\n
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\nof the followers of the movement
\ngnosis Was understood as not <\/p>\n
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\nmeaning, knowledge or
\nunderstanding in our sense of <\/p>\n
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\nthe word.
\nBut but revelation. <\/p>\n
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\nThese little Gnostic sects and
\ngroups all lived in the <\/p>\n
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\nconviction that they possess a
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\nAnd no way accessible to those
\noutside and not based on <\/p>\n
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\nreflection or scientific inquiry
\nor proof. <\/p>\n
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\nderived from the times of <\/p>\n
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\nprimitive Christianity and from
\nthe Savior himself and his <\/p>\n
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\ndisciples and friends with whom
\nthey claim to be connected by <\/p>\n
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\nsecret tradition or else from
\nwaiter profits. <\/p>\n
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\nWho many sects?
\nBoasted So why there are many <\/p>\n
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\nvariants of narcissism.
\nThe term itself, doesn’t stand <\/p>\n
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\nI would say gnostics tend to <\/p>\n
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\nagree on these three main core
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\nwas evil. principle number two, <\/p>\n
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\nthat we have an immaterial and
\nImmortal soul in which a form of<\/p>\n
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\ndivinity, dwelt hence, the
\nreason it was a mortal And which<\/p>\n
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\nwas there for good.
\nAnd three the Salvation was <\/p>\n
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\nessentially about the righteous
\nor Immortal Soul, being awakened<\/p>\n
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\nwith knowledge and delivered
\nfrom the prison of the wicked <\/p>\n
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\nand mortal flesh.
\nMaybe they have those three <\/p>\n
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\nbelieve about all matter being <\/p>\n
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\nevil resulted in two main
\ntheories. <\/p>\n
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\nAccording to a doctor, Alfred
\nplumber an expert on narcissism <\/p>\n
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\nthat HP Mansfield quotes in his
\nexposition of First John. <\/p>\n
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\nSo there’s two different ways
\nthat this belief manifested. <\/p>\n
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\nOkay.
\nFirst If the human body is <\/p>\n
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\nutterly evil, it must be subdued
\nand chased into the utmost that <\/p>\n
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\nthe spirit may be freed from the
\nburden of. <\/p>\n
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\nSo, vile and instruments.
\nThis might be thing. <\/p>\n
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\nthis was the issue that Paul was<\/p>\n
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\ndealing with in colossi. but the
\nother idea is different, derived<\/p>\n
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\nfrom the same set of of core
\nbeliefs, Secondly, the human, if<\/p>\n
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\nis a matter of indifference. <\/p>\n
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\nWhat it does.
\nAnd so worthless and vile and <\/p>\n
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\ninstruments may be made to
\ncommit any act from which the <\/p>\n
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\nreal man might derive additional
\nexperience and knowledge. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd that was the issue.
\nThe Paul was dealing with in <\/p>\n
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\nNow, the second of these two <\/p>\n
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\ntheories is elaborated, more
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\nquoted by Brother Mansfield.
\nWhere we read, narcissism was <\/p>\n
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\nnot the open enemy of
\nChristianity. <\/p>\n
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\ngospel.
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\nmore excellent way. <\/p>\n
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\nThey understood the gospel
\nbetter than the apostles <\/p>\n
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\nthemselves, it was a mistake to
\nsuppose that historical facts <\/p>\n
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\nand mere precepts of scripture
\nwhere to be taken. <\/p>\n
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\nLiterally it was still greater
\nmistake to suppose that the <\/p>\n
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\nscriptures contained all that
\nwas necessary for man’s <\/p>\n
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\nspiritual well-being.
\nThere was a higher knowledge A <\/p>\n
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\nmore profound gnosis and this
\nthe Gnostic would attain to and <\/p>\n
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\nin part illumined by this men
\nwould see that everything was <\/p>\n
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\ncomparatively of unimportance,
\nthe philosopher whose mind was <\/p>\n
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\nenlightened.
\nBy this esoteric knowledge need <\/p>\n
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\nnot trouble himself much about
\nhis conduct He was steeped in <\/p>\n
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\nlight.
\nGood actions. <\/p>\n
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\nCould not seriously detract.
\nFrom an indeed, there are many <\/p>\n
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\nthings commonly regarded as bad.
\nWhich the true Gnostic would not<\/p>\n
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\nshunned, but seek as a means of
\nenlarging his experience. <\/p>\n
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\nNow, to the Gnostic.
\nWho had this particular set of <\/p>\n
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\nbeliefs as defined by dr.
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\nThose issues are. <\/p>\n
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\nrighteousness was in no account <\/p>\n
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\nin comparison, with intellectual
\nillumination Secondly. <\/p>\n
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\nThe god of scripture is no
\nAuthority. scripture was of no <\/p>\n
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\naccount in comparison to with a
\nhigher knowledge, which partly <\/p>\n
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\ntransmuted and partly,
\nsuperseded it, frankly, and it <\/p>\n
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\ncame down to a discussion
\nbetween the inner light and the <\/p>\n
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\nguidance of my inner spirit and
\nwas scripture said Scripture <\/p>\n
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\nlosses.
\nAnd the third issue that arises <\/p>\n
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\nbeliefs is salvation cannot be <\/p>\n
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\nSo, the work of atonement was <\/p>\n
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\nthere, was not really evil and <\/p>\n
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\nOkay. <\/p>\n
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\nNow, this philosophy is actually
\ngiven a name in the Bible as it <\/p>\n
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\ndevelops into later generations.
\nDoes anyone know what it’s <\/p>\n
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\ncalled?
\nIt’s called Nicolaitans ism. <\/p>\n
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\nOkay.
\nBecause they believed that the <\/p>\n
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\nsoul was essentially Divine and
\ntheir bodies were evil <\/p>\n
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\nNicolaitans.
\nApparently taught that there is <\/p>\n
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\nnothing.
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\nsoul and since we’re saved by
\ngrace and not works, There’s <\/p>\n
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\nreally no works that could take
\naway your salvation again. <\/p>\n
340
\n00:22:53,300 –> 00:22:57,300
\nThey literally put away
\nconscience. <\/p>\n
341
\n00:22:58,800 –> 00:23:04,200
\nConcerning faith.
\nThey didn’t need to feel bad <\/p>\n
342
\n00:23:04,200 –> 00:23:12,700
\nabout sinning.
\nToday, a similar ideas may be <\/p>\n
343
\n00:23:13,000 –> 00:23:16,300
\ndescribed by the concept.
\nOnce saved, always saved. <\/p>\n
344
\n00:23:17,200 –> 00:23:20,800
\nTo which many Christians still
\nteach, at least directly the <\/p>\n
345
\n00:23:20,800 –> 00:23:22,900
\nconclusion that I don’t need to
\nfollow any law. <\/p>\n
346
\n00:23:22,900 –> 00:23:25,900
\nEspecially not the moral
\nprecepts found in the law of <\/p>\n
347
\n00:23:25,900 –> 00:23:29,700
\nMoses because laws can save in
\nthe soul is Immortal and <\/p>\n
348
\n00:23:29,900 –> 00:23:35,800
\nregardless, hens Nicolet to
\ngnostics Use these ideas to <\/p>\n
349
\n00:23:35,800 –> 00:23:41,800
\njustify Godless, immoral Lawless
\nand debauched wife styles. <\/p>\n
350
\n00:23:47,300 –> 00:23:50,800
\nSo, what was the origin then?
\nI mean, where do they get these <\/p>\n
351
\n00:23:50,800 –> 00:23:52,600
\nideas from?
\nWhere is the origin of these <\/p>\n
352
\n00:23:52,600 –> 00:23:55,700
\nGnostic ideas?
\nWell, you wouldn’t be surprised <\/p>\n
353
\n00:23:55,700 –> 00:23:58,300
\nto find out that they derive
\nfrom Greek philosophy. <\/p>\n
354
\n00:23:58,300 –> 00:24:02,800
\nWould you?
\nWhich is why Paul uses the word <\/p>\n
355
\n00:24:02,900 –> 00:24:06,300
\nvain babblings, I mean, think of
\nphilosophers sitting around <\/p>\n
356
\n00:24:06,400 –> 00:24:10,000
\ntalking about nothing more than
\nideas and Concepts which have no<\/p>\n
357
\n00:24:10,000 –> 00:24:13,500
\nlife and have no value and
\nthey’re arguing with them and <\/p>\n
358
\n00:24:13,500 –> 00:24:16,000
\ntheir babbling and babble Babble
\nBabble this way bable bable <\/p>\n
359
\n00:24:16,000 –> 00:24:18,300
\nbable that way and it’s all
\nVain. <\/p>\n
360
\n00:24:18,300 –> 00:24:24,000
\nAnd so Paul describes this idea
\nas a vain babblings, a quote on <\/p>\n
361
\n00:24:24,000 –> 00:24:28,400
\ngnosticism from the dictionary,
\nillustrates the Greek <\/p>\n
362
\n00:24:28,400 –> 00:24:32,800
\nphilosophical foundations.
\nThe earliest origins of <\/p>\n
363
\n00:24:32,800 –> 00:24:36,700
\ngnosticism our skewer and still
\ndisputed probable, influences <\/p>\n
364
\n00:24:36,700 –> 00:24:41,500
\ninclude Plato.
\nGnostics borrow a great deal of <\/p>\n
365
\n00:24:41,500 –> 00:24:46,100
\nideas and terms from platonism.
\nThey exhibit a keen <\/p>\n
366
\n00:24:46,100 –> 00:24:49,800
\nunderstanding of, Greek
\nphilosophical terms and use <\/p>\n
367
\n00:24:49,800 –> 00:24:53,900
\nGreek philosophical Concepts
\nthroughout their texts. <\/p>\n
368
\n00:24:57,300 –> 00:25:01,800
\nNow we can be sure that.
\nGnostic ideas, we’re starting to<\/p>\n
369
\n00:25:01,808 –> 00:25:05,700
\npervade the Ecclesia in Ephesus
\nparticularly so turn with me to <\/p>\n
370
\n00:25:05,700 –> 00:25:10,200
\nRevelation chapter 2.
\nJust as a case we have any doubt<\/p>\n
371
\n00:25:10,200 –> 00:25:15,700
\nin our mind whatsoever that some
\nof these ideas were prevalent <\/p>\n
372
\n00:25:15,700 –> 00:25:20,300
\nand being taught in that City.
\nWe should have no controversy or<\/p>\n
373
\n00:25:20,400 –> 00:25:24,500
\nconfusion about that because the
\nLord Jesus Christ in his letter <\/p>\n
374
\n00:25:24,500 –> 00:25:26,800
\nto the Ephesians found in
\nRevelation. <\/p>\n
375
\n00:25:26,800 –> 00:25:30,300
\nChapter 2 makes mention of the
\nfact we see this in Revelation <\/p>\n
376
\n00:25:30,300 –> 00:25:35,100
\nchapter 2 verse 1 unto the angel
\nof the Church of Ephesus write <\/p>\n
377
\n00:25:35,300 –> 00:25:40,000
\nfor six but thou Hast.
\nJust but this style has that <\/p>\n
378
\n00:25:40,000 –> 00:25:44,500
\nthou hatest the Deeds of the
\nNicolaitans, which I also hate. <\/p>\n
379
\n00:25:45,400 –> 00:25:48,100
\nSo what was happening is the
\nEcclesia at some point in its <\/p>\n
380
\n00:25:48,100 –> 00:25:54,100
\nhistory, had to make a stand
\nagainst these particular <\/p>\n
381
\n00:25:54,900 –> 00:25:59,700
\nphilosophers who were teaching
\nthese ideas and the Lord Jesus <\/p>\n
382
\n00:25:59,700 –> 00:26:02,900
\ncommends them.
\nThat the those in the equation <\/p>\n
383
\n00:26:02,900 –> 00:26:05,400
\nhad made a stand.
\nAnd so we realize you won’t have<\/p>\n
384
\n00:26:05,400 –> 00:26:09,800
\nto make a stand if the issue is
\na rising And is prevalent in the<\/p>\n
385
\n00:26:09,808 –> 00:26:15,200
\ncity itself.
\nNow, it’s not simply brother <\/p>\n
386
\n00:26:15,200 –> 00:26:18,400
\nMansfield and makes reference to
\nthis in christadelphians <\/p>\n
387
\n00:26:18,400 –> 00:26:22,900
\nliterature in Eureka concerning
\nNicolaitans. <\/p>\n
388
\n00:26:22,900 –> 00:26:25,500
\nNow maybe make one comment about
\nEureka. <\/p>\n
389
\n00:26:25,900 –> 00:26:28,500
\nWell, I just have an opportunity
\nto say your ego is always a <\/p>\n
390
\n00:26:28,500 –> 00:26:30,700
\nbook.
\nI was someone intimidated by my <\/p>\n
391
\n00:26:30,700 –> 00:26:33,200
\ngrandfather.
\nDick Stone used to tell me if he<\/p>\n
392
\n00:26:33,208 –> 00:26:35,000
\ntold me once he told me a dozen
\ntimes. <\/p>\n
393
\n00:26:35,400 –> 00:26:37,300
\nThen you need to read the
\npioneers. <\/p>\n
394
\n00:26:38,100 –> 00:26:41,700
\nWell he it was a real point of
\nhim to emphasize that to me, but<\/p>\n
395
\n00:26:41,700 –> 00:26:46,500
\nI put off Eureka because it just
\nseemed well to seem intimidating<\/p>\n
396
\n00:26:46,500 –> 00:26:50,500
\nI suppose.
\nAnd in studying this subject I, <\/p>\n
397
\n00:26:50,500 –> 00:26:54,000
\nof course, went to what brother
\nThomas has to say on the <\/p>\n
398
\n00:26:54,000 –> 00:26:59,900
\nEcclesia and Ephesus.
\nAnd I was I don’t know the right<\/p>\n
399
\n00:26:59,900 –> 00:27:02,200
\nword to use is I was incredibly
\nimpressed. <\/p>\n
400
\n00:27:03,800 –> 00:27:08,000
\nWith what brother Thomas had to
\nsay it’s as if he laid out the <\/p>\n
401
\n00:27:08,000 –> 00:27:12,500
\nwhole study and about four
\npages, what I’d spend months and<\/p>\n
402
\n00:27:12,500 –> 00:27:15,400
\nmonths and months, trying to
\nuncover. <\/p>\n
403
\n00:27:15,900 –> 00:27:28,000
\nHe had it all there as an aside.
\nyeah, so this is what brother <\/p>\n
404
\n00:27:28,000 –> 00:27:32,900
\nThomas had to say in Eureka,
\nTalking about the Nicolaitans <\/p>\n
405
\n00:27:33,100 –> 00:27:35,900
\nthis was composed of the Wolves.
\nNow that’s a reference back to <\/p>\n
406
\n00:27:35,900 –> 00:27:37,600
\nActs 20 that we looked at
\nearlier. <\/p>\n
407
\n00:27:38,000 –> 00:27:42,300
\nThis was composed of the Wolves
\nreferred to in Paul’s first <\/p>\n
408
\n00:27:42,300 –> 00:27:48,200
\nletter to Timothy 6:20 which we
\nalso just looked at where Paul <\/p>\n
409
\n00:27:48,200 –> 00:27:51,500
\nsays to Timothy o Timothy keep
\nthat which is committed to thy <\/p>\n
410
\n00:27:51,500 –> 00:27:54,100
\ntrust.
\nAvoid profane Vain babblings and<\/p>\n
411
\n00:27:54,100 –> 00:27:59,000
\nopposition’s of gnosis Or
\nknowledge falsely so-called, <\/p>\n
412
\n00:27:59,400 –> 00:28:04,600
\nwhich some professing have erred
\nconcerning the faith, these came<\/p>\n
413
\n00:28:04,600 –> 00:28:08,400
\nto be called gnostics because of
\ntheir professing, what they call<\/p>\n
414
\n00:28:08,400 –> 00:28:14,800
\ngnosis or knowledge, a false
\nscience, whose principles were <\/p>\n
415
\n00:28:14,900 –> 00:28:20,200
\nsubversive to the truth brother.
\nThomas says now brother Thomas <\/p>\n
416
\n00:28:20,200 –> 00:28:23,200
\nalso suggests that these ideas
\nwere founded on Greek <\/p>\n
417
\n00:28:23,200 –> 00:28:29,200
\nphilosophy, he says this on
\npages 19, E8 and 199 in Eureka. <\/p>\n
418
\n00:28:29,800 –> 00:28:33,300
\nThese gnostics were sort of
\nimmersed or baptised <\/p>\n
419
\n00:28:33,300 –> 00:28:37,200
\nphilosophers.
\nGentile, professors of the <\/p>\n
420
\n00:28:37,200 –> 00:28:41,900
\nwisdom then current in the world
\namong the admirers of Play-Doh <\/p>\n
421
\n00:28:42,500 –> 00:28:45,300
\nand other Heathen.
\nSpeculators upon the unknown. <\/p>\n
422
\n00:28:46,500 –> 00:28:51,900
\nThey conceived the idea of so
\ncommingling their speculations <\/p>\n
423
\n00:28:51,900 –> 00:28:55,500
\nor fables of heathenism.
\nWith the doctrine of the <\/p>\n
424
\n00:28:55,500 –> 00:29:00,100
\nApostles asked to make the
\ncompound palatable to the <\/p>\n
425
\n00:29:00,100 –> 00:29:04,100
\nrespectability and the learning
\nof the age. <\/p>\n
426
\n00:29:06,200 –> 00:29:09,200
\nHe has much more to say it’s
\nwell worth reading that section <\/p>\n
427
\n00:29:09,200 –> 00:29:13,300
\nof Eureka.
\nNow it’s pretty clear that <\/p>\n
428
\n00:29:13,300 –> 00:29:19,600
\nhymenaeus who Paul mentions in
\nboth first and in second Timothy<\/p>\n
429
\n00:29:20,700 –> 00:29:24,900
\nthus someone certainly from
\nEphesus write had Gnostic like <\/p>\n
430
\n00:29:24,900 –> 00:29:27,800
\nviews again.
\nLet’s read from our clue earlier<\/p>\n
431
\n00:29:27,800 –> 00:29:30,500
\nsecond.
\nTimothy Chapter 2 and see if we <\/p>\n
432
\n00:29:30,500 –> 00:29:32,900
\ncan figure out what Paul is
\ntalking about there. <\/p>\n
433
\n00:29:34,100 –> 00:29:36,200
\nWe read this earlier.
\nBut three, two, one more time. <\/p>\n
434
\n00:29:36,800 –> 00:29:40,300
\nSecond Timothy Chapter 2 and
\nverses 16 to 18. <\/p>\n
435
\n00:29:46,900 –> 00:29:52,000
\nWhere Paul writes but shun
\nprofane and vain babblings for <\/p>\n
436
\n00:29:52,000 –> 00:29:56,700
\nthey will increase unto more
\nungodliness that makes sense to <\/p>\n
437
\n00:29:56,700 –> 00:29:59,700
\nus.
\nNow, you follow that means why <\/p>\n
438
\n00:29:59,700 –> 00:30:02,600
\nthese profane babblings were
\nwaiting to more ungodliness, <\/p>\n
439
\n00:30:02,900 –> 00:30:07,400
\nokay?
\nAnd their word will eat as doth,<\/p>\n
440
\n00:30:07,400 –> 00:30:10,600
\na canker of whom is hymenaeus
\nand philetus. <\/p>\n
441
\n00:30:10,900 –> 00:30:13,700
\nWho concerning the truth of
\naired saying, the resurrection <\/p>\n
442
\n00:30:13,700 –> 00:30:18,600
\nis passed already and overthrow
\nthe faith of some um, so why <\/p>\n
443
\n00:30:18,600 –> 00:30:20,700
\ndoes this quote suggest Gnostic
\nbeliefs? <\/p>\n
444
\n00:30:22,400 –> 00:30:25,700
\nWell, gnostics deny the
\nresurrection that’s a big clue <\/p>\n
445
\n00:30:26,500 –> 00:30:29,700
\nand you ask yourself while we
\nknow for certain that the <\/p>\n
446
\n00:30:29,700 –> 00:30:33,100
\napostles and Jesus taught.
\nThe resurrection. <\/p>\n
447
\n00:30:33,100 –> 00:30:37,600
\nI’m that is that it comes boldly
\njumps out of the pages of the <\/p>\n
448
\n00:30:37,600 –> 00:30:41,100
\nNew Testament that there can’t
\nbe any controversy about that <\/p>\n
449
\n00:30:41,100 –> 00:30:42,700
\npoint.
\nHow could they deny the <\/p>\n
450
\n00:30:42,700 –> 00:30:45,100
\nresurrection?
\nWell. <\/p>\n
451
\n00:30:46,300 –> 00:30:50,700
\nSimple.
\nThey taught the resurrection was<\/p>\n
452
\n00:30:50,700 –> 00:30:54,500
\nspiritual.
\nThe resurrection according to <\/p>\n
453
\n00:30:54,500 –> 00:30:56,400
\nthem.
\nAnd this is backed up by text. <\/p>\n
454
\n00:30:56,400 –> 00:30:59,400
\nThey found in nod, commodity
\nthere’s a something there called<\/p>\n
455
\n00:30:59,400 –> 00:31:01,700
\nthe Treatise on the
\nresurrections, written a couple <\/p>\n
456
\n00:31:01,700 –> 00:31:04,200
\nhundred years.
\nAfter this time, we’re talking <\/p>\n
457
\n00:31:04,200 –> 00:31:06,300
\nabout here.
\nBut nevertheless it what they <\/p>\n
458
\n00:31:06,300 –> 00:31:09,300
\ntalk about is that the
\nresurrection was the <\/p>\n
459
\n00:31:09,300 –> 00:31:14,600
\nresurrecting of the spirit
\nwithin me that was dead. <\/p>\n
460
\n00:31:15,800 –> 00:31:20,600
\nTo life.
\nMy Flesh and my soul, and my <\/p>\n
461
\n00:31:20,600 –> 00:31:24,900
\nspirit was dead, but because of
\nthis special knowledge that I <\/p>\n
462
\n00:31:24,900 –> 00:31:28,700
\nhave, now now it’s resurrected
\ninto life. <\/p>\n
463
\n00:31:28,700 –> 00:31:33,900
\nAnd so then for the believer who
\nhad already had this knowledge, <\/p>\n
464
\n00:31:33,900 –> 00:31:36,100
\nthe resurrection for that
\nperson. <\/p>\n
465
\n00:31:38,100 –> 00:31:49,000
\nWas already passed.
\nRemember the gnosticism taught <\/p>\n
466
\n00:31:49,000 –> 00:31:53,000
\nthat the body itself and all
\nmaterial, substances sinful? <\/p>\n
467
\n00:31:53,000 –> 00:31:55,100
\nAnd the soul is trapped in the
\nbody. <\/p>\n
468
\n00:31:55,100 –> 00:31:59,400
\nSo the whole point of faith in
\nthe whole point of the idea is <\/p>\n
469
\n00:31:59,400 –> 00:32:01,400
\nto escape the prison of the
\nbody. <\/p>\n
470
\n00:32:01,700 –> 00:32:04,600
\nAnd if the whole point is
\nEscape, the Prison of the body, <\/p>\n
471
\n00:32:04,800 –> 00:32:09,200
\nthen the idea then of being
\nresurrected back into a physical<\/p>\n
472
\n00:32:09,200 –> 00:32:14,400
\nbody.
\nIs a really unacceptable idea. <\/p>\n
473
\n00:32:16,300 –> 00:32:21,400
\nIf the whole idea is to escape
\nthe body is to get out of the <\/p>\n
474
\n00:32:21,400 –> 00:32:24,700
\nbody is too for the soul to
\nleave the body because the soul <\/p>\n
475
\n00:32:24,700 –> 00:32:29,900
\nis, is Immortal, then why in the
\nworld would it make any sense at<\/p>\n
476
\n00:32:29,900 –> 00:32:34,800
\nall?
\nTo be resurrected back into a <\/p>\n
477
\n00:32:34,800 –> 00:32:40,700
\nphysical material body.
\nThat seems like a dumb idea. <\/p>\n
478
\n00:32:41,300 –> 00:32:43,700
\nThat does not seem like their
\nidea of salvation. <\/p>\n
479
\n00:32:45,500 –> 00:32:48,400
\nAnd so they spiritualize the
\nentire concept. <\/p>\n
480
\n00:32:57,100 –> 00:33:01,400
\nDespite this, where Paul takes
\nthe gnostics mosta task, by the <\/p>\n
481
\n00:33:01,400 –> 00:33:05,000
\nway, I could very well, be the
\nfirst Corinthians chapter 15. <\/p>\n
482
\n00:33:06,700 –> 00:33:10,100
\nIs a response to this belief in
\ncorns. <\/p>\n
483
\n00:33:11,500 –> 00:33:15,100
\nAs an Assad.
\nBut despite this where Paul <\/p>\n
484
\n00:33:15,100 –> 00:33:19,600
\ntakes the gnostics most to task
\nis over the immorality of their <\/p>\n
485
\n00:33:19,600 –> 00:33:24,600
\nlifestyles.
\nNow in writing about Paul’s not <\/p>\n
486
\n00:33:24,600 –> 00:33:27,700
\nthey want to do that and writing
\nabout the gnostics in the second<\/p>\n
487
\n00:33:27,700 –> 00:33:32,300
\ncentury and early church father
\nnamed irenaeus. so, the <\/p>\n
488
\n00:33:32,300 –> 00:33:36,900
\nNicolaitans this is his
\ndescription, the Nicolaitans or <\/p>\n
489
\n00:33:36,900 –> 00:33:41,800
\nAeneas.
\nNicolaitans weed wives of <\/p>\n
490
\n00:33:41,800 –> 00:33:46,800
\nunrestrained indulgence.
\nThat was his summary of the <\/p>\n
491
\n00:33:46,808 –> 00:33:50,100
\nNicolaitans so gnostics and
\nNicolaitans in particular <\/p>\n
492
\n00:33:50,300 –> 00:33:54,700
\nrejected laws and moral laws
\nconcerning others created by <\/p>\n
493
\n00:33:54,700 –> 00:33:57,500
\nothers.
\nMorality was for them to <\/p>\n
494
\n00:33:57,500 –> 00:34:01,400
\ndetermine and not anyone else.
\nAnd this is why Paul says <\/p>\n
495
\n00:34:01,700 –> 00:34:05,700
\nconcerning hymenaeus.
\nBack in second Timothy chapter 2<\/p>\n
496
\n00:34:05,700 –> 00:34:10,800
\nverse 16.
\nBut shun profane and vain <\/p>\n
497
\n00:34:10,800 –> 00:34:13,900
\nbabblings for they will increase
\nunto more ungodliness. <\/p>\n
498
\n00:34:14,400 –> 00:34:16,300
\nOkay.
\nSo, are these words starting to <\/p>\n
499
\n00:34:16,300 –> 00:34:18,400
\nmake sense?
\nNow, can we see them on the <\/p>\n
500
\n00:34:18,400 –> 00:34:19,800
\npage?
\nAnd they’re not just words. <\/p>\n
501
\n00:34:19,800 –> 00:34:24,699
\nLike now, we had some ideas to
\nfit those words around that this<\/p>\n
502
\n00:34:24,699 –> 00:34:27,500
\nis what was being dealt with.
\nThis is what had to be dealt <\/p>\n
503
\n00:34:27,500 –> 00:34:32,800
\nwith by Paul.
\nIt’s for this reason that Paul <\/p>\n
504
\n00:34:32,800 –> 00:34:35,600
\nput such an emphasis on
\ngodliness. <\/p>\n
505
\n00:34:36,000 –> 00:34:38,800
\nAnd if first second first letter
\nto Timothy, I don’t know if <\/p>\n
506
\n00:34:38,800 –> 00:34:42,000
\nyou’ve ever noticed this or ever
\nhad a reason to cover this in <\/p>\n
507
\n00:34:42,000 –> 00:34:45,699
\nbut but I pointed out that the
\nword Doctrine comes up often in <\/p>\n
508
\n00:34:45,707 –> 00:34:49,699
\n1st Timothy well, another word
\nthat comes up often in first <\/p>\n
509
\n00:34:49,699 –> 00:34:54,100
\nTimothy, is this word Godly or
\ngodliness, right? <\/p>\n
510
\n00:34:54,699 –> 00:34:58,800
\nIt comes up.
\nSeveral times, first Timothy <\/p>\n
511
\n00:34:58,800 –> 00:35:05,300
\nchapter, 14, to 22 10, 316 for
\nseven and eight six, three, five<\/p>\n
512
\n00:35:05,300 –> 00:35:07,900
\nand 11.
\nAnd again, if you’re the kind of<\/p>\n
513
\n00:35:07,908 –> 00:35:10,300
\nperson that likes color in
\nthings, in this might be a word <\/p>\n
514
\n00:35:10,300 –> 00:35:13,300
\nto kind of color in.
\nAs you look at Timothy, just to <\/p>\n
515
\n00:35:13,300 –> 00:35:16,800
\nremind yourself that this is a
\nmajor theme that is developing <\/p>\n
516
\n00:35:16,800 –> 00:35:24,300
\nin that book.
\nSo hymenaeus and his fellows did<\/p>\n
517
\n00:35:24,300 –> 00:35:27,200
\nnot consent a wholesome words or
\nto sound Doctrine. <\/p>\n
518
\n00:35:28,600 –> 00:35:31,700
\nOrder the doctrine that was
\naccording to Godliness and and <\/p>\n
519
\n00:35:31,700 –> 00:35:34,600
\nwe can link any number of
\ndoctrines today back to this <\/p>\n
520
\n00:35:34,600 –> 00:35:36,300
\nGnostic.
\nThinking fact, this is one of <\/p>\n
521
\n00:35:36,308 –> 00:35:39,500
\nthe major themes of dr.
\nThomas in Eureka, is the link, <\/p>\n
522
\n00:35:39,500 –> 00:35:42,800
\nmodern-day Christian practices,
\nback to these early <\/p>\n
523
\n00:35:42,800 –> 00:35:45,300
\ncontroversies.
\nHe spins quite some time doing <\/p>\n
524
\n00:35:45,300 –> 00:35:48,000
\nthat.
\nFor example. <\/p>\n
525
\n00:35:50,000 –> 00:35:53,200
\nThey believe in a mortality of
\nthe soul and Paul counters that <\/p>\n
526
\n00:35:53,500 –> 00:35:58,000
\nin first Timothy chapter 6.
\nVerse 16 when Paul says God <\/p>\n
527
\n00:35:58,000 –> 00:36:03,300
\nAlone path.
\nImmortality, why do you think he<\/p>\n
528
\n00:36:03,300 –> 00:36:07,600
\nhas to say that?
\nSo Paul is countering some of <\/p>\n
529
\n00:36:07,600 –> 00:36:12,000
\nthese ideas in his writing.
\nHe also in Titus Chapter 1, <\/p>\n
530
\n00:36:12,000 –> 00:36:14,500
\nVerse 2 and 3 verse 7, Titus has
\nwritten a ride around the same <\/p>\n
531
\n00:36:14,500 –> 00:36:17,800
\ntime as first Timothy, how about
\nthe belief that the soul was <\/p>\n
532
\n00:36:17,800 –> 00:36:19,400
\ngood and it’s the devil that
\nmakes me sing. <\/p>\n
533
\n00:36:19,400 –> 00:36:23,200
\nWell Paul counters that ID and
\nFirst Timothy 6:10 and second <\/p>\n
534
\n00:36:23,200 –> 00:36:29,200
\nTimothy chapter 3 verses 2 to 5.
\nHow about the belief that we are<\/p>\n
535
\n00:36:29,200 –> 00:36:32,000
\nonce saved always saved by Paul
\ncounters that ID and First <\/p>\n
536
\n00:36:32,000 –> 00:36:37,200
\nTimothy 4:16.
\nHow about a rejection of the <\/p>\n
537
\n00:36:37,200 –> 00:36:39,900
\nmoral authority of the law of
\nMoses? <\/p>\n
538
\n00:36:39,900 –> 00:36:43,600
\nWell, Paul counters that idea in
\n1st Timothy 1:8. <\/p>\n
539
\n00:36:45,800 –> 00:36:48,100
\nHow about the idea that
\nrejection of the hope of Israel <\/p>\n
540
\n00:36:48,100 –> 00:36:50,700
\nand the restoration restoration
\nof the physical kingdom of God <\/p>\n
541
\n00:36:50,700 –> 00:36:52,300
\non Earth.
\nWell Paul counters that in <\/p>\n
542
\n00:36:52,300 –> 00:36:55,700
\nsecond Timothy Chapter 4, verses
\n2 and verse 8. <\/p>\n
543
\n00:36:56,600 –> 00:36:59,300
\nHow about the idea the
\nresurrection of the rejection of<\/p>\n
544
\n00:36:59,300 –> 00:37:01,900
\nthe Resurrection In the Flesh?
\nWill Paul counters that as we <\/p>\n
545
\n00:37:01,900 –> 00:37:05,100
\nsaw in second Timothy Chapter 2,
\nVerse 18. <\/p>\n
546
\n00:37:05,100 –> 00:37:11,500
\nSo so Paul is actually taking up
\nThese false beliefs in this <\/p>\n
547
\n00:37:11,500 –> 00:37:15,000
\nletter and is systematically
\ndealing with him. <\/p>\n
548
\n00:37:15,000 –> 00:37:17,600
\nAnd actually once you know what,
\nhe’s dealing with you can see <\/p>\n
549
\n00:37:17,600 –> 00:37:19,200
\nthese things.
\nJump off the page. <\/p>\n
550
\n00:37:19,300 –> 00:37:21,800
\nThat’s why he says that.
\nThat’s why he says this, that’s <\/p>\n
551
\n00:37:21,800 –> 00:37:28,200
\nwhy he says that he’s
\nencouraging Timothy to correct, <\/p>\n
552
\n00:37:28,700 –> 00:37:32,100
\nthe false Doctrine, hold on to
\nsound Doctrine and that Ecclesia<\/p>\n
553
\n00:37:33,400 –> 00:37:36,200
\nand think about the profound
\nimpact of Gnostic thinking on <\/p>\n
554
\n00:37:36,200 –> 00:37:40,300
\nthe Ecclesia, That this would
\nhappen and how desperate Paul <\/p>\n
555
\n00:37:40,300 –> 00:37:43,600
\nwould have been to repeal this
\nand to reject this. <\/p>\n
556
\n00:37:46,100 –> 00:37:50,200
\nSo, we can conclude that that
\nwhatever hymenaeus believed. <\/p>\n
557
\n00:37:51,100 –> 00:37:55,200
\nHe was in some way, trying to
\ncombine the ideas of Plato and <\/p>\n
558
\n00:37:55,200 –> 00:37:59,200
\nthe Greeks and other Gentile
\nphilosophies and put them into a<\/p>\n
559
\n00:37:59,200 –> 00:38:03,500
\nJewish and Christian context.
\nWhile also ironically if you re <\/p>\n
560
\n00:38:03,500 –> 00:38:07,300
\nclosely positioning himself as
\nan expert in the law of Moses, <\/p>\n
561
\n00:38:09,200 –> 00:38:11,200
\ndespite keeping none of us moral
\nprecepts. <\/p>\n
562
\n00:38:12,000 –> 00:38:15,800
\nIt’s a strange Unity to be sure
\nthat hymenaeus was propounding <\/p>\n
563
\n00:38:16,500 –> 00:38:21,900
\nin Ephesus.
\nBut let’s consider just for a <\/p>\n
564
\n00:38:21,908 –> 00:38:27,700
\nmoment, the doctrine of unity.
\nPonder for a moment, how <\/p>\n
565
\n00:38:27,700 –> 00:38:29,500
\nrelevant Doctrine is to
\npractice. <\/p>\n
566
\n00:38:33,700 –> 00:38:37,300
\nThe doctrine of many churches
\nconcerning the atonement is <\/p>\n
567
\n00:38:37,300 –> 00:38:39,300
\nbasically Gnostic and its
\nconclusions. <\/p>\n
568
\n00:38:40,500 –> 00:38:43,000
\nOkay, because Jesus did not
\nshare my nature. <\/p>\n
569
\n00:38:44,700 –> 00:38:48,800
\nHe could not, he only could have
\ndied because he took my personal<\/p>\n
570
\n00:38:48,800 –> 00:38:52,500
\nsin upon himself on the cross.
\nThen what need do I have? <\/p>\n
571
\n00:38:52,500 –> 00:38:59,000
\nThen for Morality?
\nI’ve been in good discussions. <\/p>\n
572
\n00:38:59,700 –> 00:39:03,800
\nTroubling discussions with
\nChristians who claim, no matter <\/p>\n
573
\n00:39:03,800 –> 00:39:06,100
\nwhat they do, no matter what
\nthey do. <\/p>\n
574
\n00:39:06,100 –> 00:39:11,100
\nThey can’t lose their salvation.
\nSome Christians would claim the <\/p>\n
575
\n00:39:11,100 –> 00:39:13,000
\nlaw of Moses has no relevance
\ntoday. <\/p>\n
576
\n00:39:13,100 –> 00:39:16,800
\nI why would you read that?
\nThat’s old Old Testament. <\/p>\n
577
\n00:39:16,800 –> 00:39:21,300
\nBeen old, you know, you don’t
\nneed to read that anymore. <\/p>\n
578
\n00:39:32,200 –> 00:39:37,700
\nif we promote the principle of
\nunity, Does that mean we desire <\/p>\n
579
\n00:39:37,700 –> 00:39:43,600
\nUnity with gnostics like the
\nNicolaitans as they later became<\/p>\n
580
\n00:39:43,600 –> 00:39:47,400
\nknown?
\nDoes the love of Jesus. <\/p>\n
581
\n00:39:49,800 –> 00:39:55,500
\nOvercome such obstacles.
\nConsider Jesus words in <\/p>\n
582
\n00:39:55,500 –> 00:39:58,500
\nRevelation.
\nChapter 2 verse 15 in Revelation<\/p>\n
583
\n00:39:58,500 –> 00:40:05,300
\nChapter 2 Verse 6 again, where
\nJesus says this So thou Hast <\/p>\n
584
\n00:40:05,300 –> 00:40:10,600
\nalso them that hold the doctrine
\nof the Nicolaitans. <\/p>\n
585
\n00:40:11,800 –> 00:40:19,500
\nWhich thing I hate.
\nRevelation Chapter 2, Verse 6, <\/p>\n
586
\n00:40:20,400 –> 00:40:26,900
\nbut this thou hast thou hatest
\nthe Deeds of the Nicolaitans <\/p>\n
587
\n00:40:27,500 –> 00:40:36,300
\nwhich I also hate.
\nSo why Jesus stops short as he <\/p>\n
588
\n00:40:36,300 –> 00:40:43,400
\nwould of saying he hates them.
\nhe certainly does say, That he <\/p>\n
589
\n00:40:43,400 –> 00:40:46,900
\nhates their Doctrine and he
\nhates the Deeds. <\/p>\n
590
\n00:40:49,800 –> 00:40:52,500
\nHow does a shape your view
\naround Unity? <\/p>\n
591
\n00:40:57,900 –> 00:41:03,100
\nCan you have Unity?
\nWith a Doctrine. <\/p>\n
592
\n00:41:03,100 –> 00:41:12,200
\nJesus hates.
\nA system that excuses and <\/p>\n
593
\n00:41:12,200 –> 00:41:15,000
\npromotes.
\nSin. <\/p>\n
594
\n00:41:19,500 –> 00:41:21,400
\nAnd that’s the relevant question
\nfor us today. <\/p>\n
595
\n00:41:25,200 –> 00:41:30,200
\nI willing to defend the truth.
\nThat Jesus Christ. <\/p>\n
596
\n00:41:30,200 –> 00:41:35,200
\nDelivered unto the Saints.
\nFrom false Doctrine the same <\/p>\n
597
\n00:41:35,200 –> 00:41:40,300
\nway.
\nPaul was Now, for Paul. <\/p>\n
598
\n00:41:41,800 –> 00:41:46,900
\nThat meant putting some of the
\nleaders of this movement, like <\/p>\n
599
\n00:41:46,900 –> 00:41:50,200
\nhymenaeus.
\nOut of Fellowship. <\/p>\n
600
\n00:41:51,200 –> 00:41:54,500
\nIt also meant appealing
\ndirectly. <\/p>\n
601
\n00:41:55,500 –> 00:41:58,700
\nTo some of the followers of this
\nmovement. <\/p>\n
602
\n00:41:59,000 –> 00:42:02,100
\nAnd we’re going to see that in
\nour next few studies. <\/p>\n
603
\n00:42:03,400 –> 00:42:06,700
\nSo that he could bring them back
\nto the truth. <\/p>\n
604
\n00:42:09,600 –> 00:42:13,800
\nBut it didn’t mean compromised
\nand regards to Doctrine or <\/p>\n
605
\n00:42:13,800 –> 00:42:18,500
\npractice of the truth.
\nSo, let me just summarize. <\/p>\n
606
\n00:42:19,600 –> 00:42:24,200
\nOkay.
\nI want to draw some conclusions <\/p>\n
607
\n00:42:25,000 –> 00:42:27,500
\nabout when we should or
\nshouldn’t unify. <\/p>\n
608
\n00:42:30,100 –> 00:42:34,700
\nClearly Paul would not teach
\nUnity at all costs. <\/p>\n
609
\n00:42:36,500 –> 00:42:38,600
\nHe did not preach Unity with the
\nwolves. <\/p>\n
610
\n00:42:39,900 –> 00:42:42,300
\nYou don’t put the wolves in with
\na sheep and say, hey, have some <\/p>\n
611
\n00:42:42,300 –> 00:42:49,300
\nUnity.
\nHe put Alexander and hymenaeus <\/p>\n
612
\n00:42:49,300 –> 00:42:51,200
\nout of the meeting.
\nNow, why did he do that? <\/p>\n
613
\n00:42:52,600 –> 00:42:55,700
\nHe did that because a false
\nDoctrine. <\/p>\n
614
\n00:42:56,500 –> 00:42:58,800
\nHe did that because they were
\ntearing down occlusal <\/p>\n
615
\n00:42:58,800 –> 00:43:00,700
\nleadership.
\nHe did that because they’re <\/p>\n
616
\n00:43:00,700 –> 00:43:03,200
\ncreating disciples and leading
\nothers astray. <\/p>\n
617
\n00:43:03,600 –> 00:43:06,500
\nHe did that because there’s no
\nconscience regarding sin. <\/p>\n
618
\n00:43:06,800 –> 00:43:09,400
\nHe did that because they’re
\ncausing God to be blasphemed and<\/p>\n
619
\n00:43:09,400 –> 00:43:16,600
\nthe scriptures to be Dishonored.
\nWe can’t have Unity with those <\/p>\n
620
\n00:43:16,600 –> 00:43:20,000
\nwho destroy Unity.
\nWe can’t have Unity with those <\/p>\n
621
\n00:43:20,000 –> 00:43:21,800
\nthat hold doctrine that Jesus
\nhates. <\/p>\n
622
\n00:43:25,300 –> 00:43:28,200
\nSo Paul delivers these Brethren
\nto Satan. <\/p>\n
623
\n00:43:31,000 –> 00:43:33,300
\nBut the truth is that Paul
\ndidn’t disfellowshipped these <\/p>\n
624
\n00:43:33,300 –> 00:43:35,100
\nBrethren, they disfellowshipped
\nthemselves. <\/p>\n
625
\n00:43:35,700 –> 00:43:38,300
\nThey created the conditions in
\nwhich they were no longer in <\/p>\n
626
\n00:43:38,300 –> 00:43:43,600
\nUnion with the Ecclesia and with
\ntheir true brethren in Ephesus. <\/p>\n
627
\n00:43:47,600 –> 00:43:53,800
\nHow much time do I have Jeff?
\nIt’s time, none. <\/p>\n
628
\n00:43:55,900 –> 00:44:00,900
\nPerfect, perfect.
\nJust just one comment, you know,<\/p>\n
629
\n00:44:03,000 –> 00:44:08,500
\nthe reason that these Brethren
\ndid this, I’m sure with sincere.<\/p>\n
630
\n00:44:10,700 –> 00:44:14,400
\nBut there’s something more
\nsubtle to it, as well. <\/p>\n
631
\n00:44:15,700 –> 00:44:19,400
\nAnd that to be was the real
\nexcitation that I pulled out to <\/p>\n
632
\n00:44:19,408 –> 00:44:21,800
\nbe on time.
\nNow I’m going to go over. <\/p>\n
633
\n00:44:25,100 –> 00:44:30,300
\nSays in Acts.
\nThese brethren. <\/p>\n
634
\n00:44:31,500 –> 00:44:33,400
\nWe’re like wolves in the
\nEcclesia. <\/p>\n
635
\n00:44:36,000 –> 00:44:38,200
\nTo gather disciples after
\nthemselves. <\/p>\n
636
\n00:44:40,800 –> 00:44:44,000
\nAnd I reckon that that’s how it
\nstarts present. <\/p>\n
637
\n00:44:46,100 –> 00:44:53,200
\nWhen issues of disunity come up.
\nIt’s not merely an issue of, is <\/p>\n
638
\n00:44:53,200 –> 00:44:59,100
\nthis, or that or wrong Doctrine?
\nIn a dispassionate sort of way. <\/p>\n
639
\n00:45:02,100 –> 00:45:06,700
\nIt’s a Time representing people.
\nI’m the leader. <\/p>\n
640
\n00:45:10,100 –> 00:45:13,300
\nAnd so you can’t just simply
\ndeal with the issue as the issue<\/p>\n
641
\n00:45:13,300 –> 00:45:18,900
\nsurfaces itself.
\nWith a Bible open because you <\/p>\n
642
\n00:45:18,900 –> 00:45:21,100
\nnow you’re dealing with a
\nmovement. <\/p>\n
643
\n00:45:26,800 –> 00:45:31,300
\nAnd I’ve dealt with disunity and
\njust my, my short years in the <\/p>\n
644
\n00:45:31,300 –> 00:45:36,100
\nEcclesia.
\nAnd when I’ve caused disunity, <\/p>\n
645
\n00:45:39,600 –> 00:45:43,700
\nI’ll have to admit that Pride.
\nPlays a very big part. <\/p>\n
646
\n00:45:46,100 –> 00:45:51,100
\nWhen I came back from Israel.
\nI was a member of the San Diego <\/p>\n
647
\n00:45:51,100 –> 00:45:56,900
\nmeeting and and I, you know, I
\nthought I knew a thing or two, <\/p>\n
648
\n00:45:57,100 –> 00:46:00,300
\nright, especially because I was
\nin Israel and I know how to <\/p>\n
649
\n00:46:00,300 –> 00:46:05,100
\nspeak a bit of Hebrew, and I had
\ngone to, to do the feasts over <\/p>\n
650
\n00:46:05,100 –> 00:46:09,700
\nthere.
\nSo there came up a business <\/p>\n
651
\n00:46:09,700 –> 00:46:18,800
\nmeeting And I had been reading
\nabout. how Jesus says in the <\/p>\n
652
\n00:46:18,808 –> 00:46:25,200
\nLast Supper, That he desires to
\nhave this Passover with him. <\/p>\n
653
\n00:46:25,200 –> 00:46:28,100
\nI said, well, it’s a Passover
\nand when I celebrate Passover in<\/p>\n
654
\n00:46:28,100 –> 00:46:32,100
\nIsrael, we use crackers.
\nSo, I at the business being, I <\/p>\n
655
\n00:46:32,107 –> 00:46:34,200
\nraise my hand, I said, why don’t
\nwe use crackers? <\/p>\n
656
\n00:46:36,200 –> 00:46:40,400
\nWhat was I thinking?
\nWhy did I say that, right? <\/p>\n
657
\n00:46:40,400 –> 00:46:42,600
\nAnd suddenly, it’s like a bomb
\nexplodes, right? <\/p>\n
658
\n00:46:42,600 –> 00:46:45,600
\nAnd that Summit we come is on
\nthis side are saying well, that <\/p>\n
659
\n00:46:45,600 –> 00:46:47,000
\nmakes sense.
\nIt’s number saying no, no, that <\/p>\n
660
\n00:46:47,000 –> 00:46:49,400
\ndoesn’t make sense.
\nAnd there’s Eleanor Amaral. <\/p>\n
661
\n00:46:49,400 –> 00:46:51,200
\nDoes anyone know Sister?
\nEleanor Amaral? <\/p>\n
662
\n00:46:51,300 –> 00:46:53,700
\nI love that sister.
\nAnd she’s right there. <\/p>\n
663
\n00:46:53,700 –> 00:46:55,400
\nShe’s saying and under her
\nbreath. <\/p>\n
664
\n00:46:55,400 –> 00:47:06,200
\nShe’s saying, no, no, no.
\nShe was a Jew, right? <\/p>\n
665
\n00:47:07,700 –> 00:47:09,300
\nShe said, no, he shared our
\nnature. <\/p>\n
666
\n00:47:10,700 –> 00:47:12,500
\nNo, she’s saying under her
\nbreath. <\/p>\n
667
\n00:47:14,800 –> 00:47:17,200
\nDid I think to myself?
\nWell gee this would be a good <\/p>\n
668
\n00:47:17,200 –> 00:47:21,100
\nidea to Kota go off to Uncle Max
\nand just say, hey Max May, I was<\/p>\n
669
\n00:47:21,100 –> 00:47:23,700
\nthinking about bringing this up,
\nmaybe we can talk about together<\/p>\n
670
\n00:47:23,700 –> 00:47:28,200
\nthe two of us.
\nBecause I wasn’t really <\/p>\n
671
\n00:47:28,200 –> 00:47:31,400
\ninterested.
\nIn doing the right thing in <\/p>\n
672
\n00:47:31,400 –> 00:47:33,900
\nterms of the Bread and Wine.
\nI’m a, I was totally wrong by <\/p>\n
673
\n00:47:33,900 –> 00:47:37,100
\nthe way and wrong in my
\nattitude, wrong decisions, wrong<\/p>\n
674
\n00:47:37,100 –> 00:47:39,300
\nin terms of what the doctrine
\nwas about. <\/p>\n
675
\n00:47:39,300 –> 00:47:41,400
\nI didn’t understand anything
\nabout the atonement. <\/p>\n
676
\n00:47:41,500 –> 00:47:46,500
\nI was just wrong completely.
\nBut it wasn’t about that. <\/p>\n
677
\n00:47:48,200 –> 00:47:50,200
\nIt’s I want to show.
\nI knew something. <\/p>\n
678
\n00:47:52,000 –> 00:47:53,800
\nI want to show, I knew
\nsomething. <\/p>\n
679
\n00:47:56,900 –> 00:48:00,800
\nAnd I just wonder how often back
\nin Paul’s day, in an hour each <\/p>\n
680
\n00:48:00,808 –> 00:48:04,900
\nday.
\nThat is really the cause of <\/p>\n
681
\n00:48:04,900 –> 00:48:09,600
\ndisunity.
\nAs we want to show that, we know<\/p>\n
682
\n00:48:09,600 –> 00:48:11,500
\nsomething, we want to get the
\naccolades. <\/p>\n
683
\n00:48:11,500 –> 00:48:15,100
\nWe want to draw disciples after
\nourselves. <\/p>\n
684
\n00:48:15,200 –> 00:48:18,000
\nWe don’t want to be Disciples of
\nthe Lord Jesus Christ. <\/p>\n
685
\n00:48:21,800 –> 00:48:26,100
\nI think that’s at the heart that
\nright there in Acts chapter 20. <\/p>\n
686
\n00:48:26,100 –> 00:48:29,900
\nThat is at the heart of
\ndisunity. <\/p>\n
687
\n00:48:31,200 –> 00:48:34,100
\nThe disunity I’ve caused and the
\ndisunity I’ve seen. <\/p>\n
688
\n00:48:37,600 –> 00:48:40,200
\nBut for today’s class, I just
\nwant us to understand that this <\/p>\n
689
\n00:48:40,200 –> 00:48:42,700
\nwas the issue Paul was dealing
\nwith head on. <\/p>\n
690
\n00:48:42,800 –> 00:48:46,400
\nAnd we can also observe that
\nthis is a very serious issue. <\/p>\n
691
\n00:48:46,800 –> 00:48:50,500
\nThis is issue in terms of
\nDoctrine, and in terms of <\/p>\n
692
\n00:48:50,500 –> 00:48:55,500
\npractice Now, how is Paul going
\nto deal with this in the <\/p>\n
693
\n00:48:55,500 –> 00:48:58,200
\nEcclesia?
\nWhat is he going to do? <\/p>\n
694
\n00:48:58,400 –> 00:49:03,100
\nHow is he going to bring some of
\nthe sheep following this ideas? <\/p>\n
695
\n00:49:03,100 –> 00:49:05,500
\nHow is he going to bring them
\nback into the meeting? <\/p>\n
696
\n00:49:06,300 –> 00:49:09,200
\nHow is he going to try to bring
\nabout unity and Ephesus? <\/p>\n
697
\n00:49:11,400 –> 00:49:13,100
\nWell, I’ll take that up in our
\nnext class.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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