Class 6 from this series was used in GCT Episode 384.<\/p>\n
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\nwe have the opportunity to
\nconsider the Word of God. <\/p>\n
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\nAs I said before, Brother David
\nPogson is leading his second <\/p>\n
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\nstudy on the atonement and he’s
\nasked as an introduction, we we <\/p>\n
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\ntake a reading from Genesis
\nchapter 3. <\/p>\n
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\nNow be pleased to invite Brother
\nDavid to speak to us on the <\/p>\n
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\natonement for second study.
\nCould we bring up this way a bit<\/p>\n
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\njust so I can turn it over?
\nThank you. <\/p>\n
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\nJust got to get all the
\ntechnicals right. <\/p>\n
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\nI dropped this on the ground.
\nI hope it’s still all right. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s a great idea.
\nWhen you’re deaf, you can’t tell<\/p>\n
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\nwhether you’re speaking loud or
\nsoft. <\/p>\n
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\nWe’ve got these engineers up.
\nIt doesn’t matter how I set to <\/p>\n
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\nspeak.
\nIt comes across OK, but boy, <\/p>\n
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\nthey’re working hard.
\nLook at them. <\/p>\n
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\nWow, OK, not closing them.
\nOK, OK. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s a.
\nBit warmer tonight. <\/p>\n
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\nBit warmer.
\nIt’s a battle for me and it’s a <\/p>\n
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\nbattle for you, all right?
\nOK, so in our studies on the <\/p>\n
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\natonement and the word atonement
\nis essentially an Old Testament <\/p>\n
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\nwords, not a New Testament word,
\nOK. <\/p>\n
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\nThe word atonement itself ranges
\nin many, but basically means the<\/p>\n
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\nsteps that lead up to divine
\nacceptance. <\/p>\n
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\nOK.
\nSometimes the time that’s used <\/p>\n
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\nto mean forgiveness.
\nSometimes it’s it’s used for <\/p>\n
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\nsomething completely different
\nto that, but as a general rule, <\/p>\n
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\nthe word atonement, right, which
\nin the in the Hebrew came. <\/p>\n
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\nFrom Cape, which means to cover,
\nOK, but there are many words in <\/p>\n
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\nthe Old Testament which means
\ncover. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s one of them, OK.
\nAnd primarily you’ve probably <\/p>\n
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\nread it in the Concordance.
\nThe primary first use offered <\/p>\n
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\nhis pitch from now a pitch to
\nthe ark. <\/p>\n
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\nMost of you had heard of that
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\ncan’t remember it now, but of a
\na plant they use for dying. <\/p>\n
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\nOK, so that’s it’s two physical
\nuses. <\/p>\n
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\nSo, so, so the idea is it’s a
\nbut in, in, in practice, it <\/p>\n
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\nrepresents any step or all the
\nsteps that is necessary for <\/p>\n
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\nsinful man to go through so that
\nhe can approach under God. <\/p>\n
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\nOK, so it doesn’t mean
\nforgiveness, even though <\/p>\n
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\nsometimes it does mean
\nforgiveness. <\/p>\n
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\nSometimes it can be looking at
\nthe result. <\/p>\n
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\nSometimes it can just mean
\nacceptance. <\/p>\n
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\nOK, so so like Jesus Christ
\ndidn’t have to be forgiven <\/p>\n
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\nanything, right, But to be saved
\nout of being mortal, to be saved<\/p>\n
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\nout of his temptation, to be
\nsaved out of death, he had to go<\/p>\n
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\nthrough certain processes,
\ncertain steps, and those steps <\/p>\n
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\nare tenant steps.
\nOK, so get that very clear in <\/p>\n
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\nyour mind if.
\nBecause there’s a misconception,<\/p>\n
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\nthere’s brethren walking around,
\nsome are saying. <\/p>\n
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\nThat Christ didn’t have to
\nobtain for his nature. <\/p>\n
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\nSome said, say he did have to
\nattain for their nature and and <\/p>\n
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\nand they’re not defining their
\nterms, OK. <\/p>\n
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\nThey could be right, they could
\nbe wrong. <\/p>\n
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\nThat’s how they understand it.
\nWhat makes a difference? <\/p>\n
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\nOK, so we’re looking for keys,
\nOK, Keys. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd one of the great keys is
\nthat is the concept of families.<\/p>\n
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\nOK, God’s a father and he’s
\nhaving a family and he’s got us <\/p>\n
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\ninto families.
\nAnd that’s a great key of the <\/p>\n
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\natonement.
\nI can’t. <\/p>\n
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\nI don’t think you can fully
\nunderstand the. <\/p>\n
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\nPrinciples of the atonement
\nwithout understanding that God <\/p>\n
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\nworks on family principles.
\nOK, I mean, you just look at <\/p>\n
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\nChrist was one of us.
\nAnd he’s, we belong to his <\/p>\n
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\nfamily.
\nWe belong to the divine family. <\/p>\n
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\nBehold, I and the children God
\nhave given me. <\/p>\n
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\nNow in family life, if one
\nmember of the family gets into <\/p>\n
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\ntrouble, it could affect the
\nwhole family. <\/p>\n
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\nIf one member of the family gets
\na great blessing, a new job or <\/p>\n
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\nsomething like that, the whole
\nfamily gets a benefit. <\/p>\n
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\nOr, or if one comes top on the
\nsite in mathematics, it’s an <\/p>\n
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\nhonor of the whole family.
\nYou know, there’s a sharing in <\/p>\n
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\nfamily life.
\nThere’s a sharing of the the <\/p>\n
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\ndisabilities on the one hand and
\nthe benefits on the other, the <\/p>\n
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\nsufferings and the glory.
\nOK, you’re going to share a <\/p>\n
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\nglory that really only belongs
\nto God and Jesus Christ, but <\/p>\n
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\nyou’ve got to be in the family,
\nbut you’ve got to share the <\/p>\n
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\nsuffering that goes with it.
\nThat’s a family concept and <\/p>\n
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\nit’ll just help you understand
\nthe atonement if you use that <\/p>\n
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\nkey, a family language, of
\ncourse, that’s what the Bible <\/p>\n
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\ntalks about.
\nGod is, as we pointed out in <\/p>\n
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\nHebrews, He’s bringing many sons
\nunder. <\/p>\n
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\nGlory.
\nSons, it’s the family thing, the<\/p>\n
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\nglory.
\nAnd he’s made our chief leader. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd that was a key idea.
\nHe’s a chief leader. <\/p>\n
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\nHe made him, made him one of us
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\nAnd that’s a family thing.
\nBut that idea of captain is a <\/p>\n
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\nkey and understanding.
\nHe’s a chief leader, OK. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd of course, he was born and
\nmarried, begotten of God, and he<\/p>\n
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\ncame down into our world, into
\nour situation, and he had the <\/p>\n
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\nlead believers to salvation.
\nAnd there’s this big gap here. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd as we pointed out, the big
\ngap, of course, is temptation <\/p>\n
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\nand mortality itself.
\nOK, there, that’s the gap. <\/p>\n
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\nBut no one apart from him was
\nable to build a bridge across. <\/p>\n
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\nSo our captain is a captain
\nbecause he’s more able, <\/p>\n
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\nhopefully in this case, because
\nhe is more able, all right? <\/p>\n
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\nAnd because he’s more able, even
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\nwe expect him to do things as
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\nWe expect him to do things
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\nNone of this can be done without
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\nGod’s behind everything to do
\nthings that we can’t do, OK? <\/p>\n
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\nAnd there’s many things in
\nsalvation we can’t do, all <\/p>\n
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\nright.
\nWe couldn’t bring, as it says in<\/p>\n
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\nRomans chapter 10, faith doesn’t
\nsay I can earn this. <\/p>\n
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\nFaith says who’s going to bring
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\nSalva.
\nThat’s absolutely essential <\/p>\n
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\nsalva.
\nWe can’t think about it, OK? <\/p>\n
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\nChrist couldn’t bring himself
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\nhad this authority to lay down
\nhis life and to take it again. <\/p>\n
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\nIt says God raised him and he
\ncouldn’t raise himself from the <\/p>\n
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\ndead.
\nAnd, and none of this anyway can<\/p>\n
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\nbe achieved without holding
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\nThere’s just no way.
\nOut of that, yeah. <\/p>\n
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\nSo that Captain idea is a key
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\nOK.
\nAnd Christ is never considered <\/p>\n
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\nYou can’t isolate Christ and
\nsay, well, if he didn’t have to <\/p>\n
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\nsave anybody else, what would
\nGod require of him? <\/p>\n
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\nThat’s completely out of order,
\nyou know, and and and they quote<\/p>\n
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\nfrom Hebrews that he has that he
\ntoo had to this he did once <\/p>\n
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\noffer for his own sins and for
\nthe people. <\/p>\n
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\nThis he did once OK, But when
\nyou go back to offer free zone <\/p>\n
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\nseems it’s taken of of of our
\nreadings yesterday and today, <\/p>\n
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\nOK, in Exodus 2728 and beautiful
\nreadings and and later on <\/p>\n
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\nLeviticus.
\nWell, I’m thinking of <\/p>\n
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\nparticularly, OK, where Aaron
\nhad to offer first, but in the <\/p>\n
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\nfirst occurrence where ever
\nwhere that occurs, this <\/p>\n
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\nrequirement he had to offer for
\nhimself and his family, then for<\/p>\n
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\nthe nation.
\nAnd then that gets that gets <\/p>\n
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\nshortened in later verses and in
\nlater chapters to offer for <\/p>\n
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\nhimself, but it always means for
\nhimself and his family, then for<\/p>\n
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\nthe nation.
\nSo there’s no situation in <\/p>\n
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\nScripture where Christ just
\nsimply offers for himself. <\/p>\n
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\nHe offers right as a represented
\nman, representing the whole <\/p>\n
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\nredeemed us and himself.
\nAnd that’s the only way you’ll <\/p>\n
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\nunderstand it.
\nWe don’t know what God would <\/p>\n
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\nrequire.
\nWe haven’t got a clue. <\/p>\n
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\nWe get all these theories about
\nit and it’s all right to have an<\/p>\n
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\nopinion about it, providing
\nyou’re not feeding some wrong <\/p>\n
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\nidea on the atonement.
\nBut we don’t really know. <\/p>\n
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\nWe don’t know, as we read in the
\nlast occasion. <\/p>\n
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\nBrother Carter says we may
\nreverently say he wouldn’t have <\/p>\n
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\nto went through what he went
\nthrough the way he went through <\/p>\n
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\nit, except because of our
\nsituation, OK? <\/p>\n
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\nWe talked, then we went.
\nWe go to Genesis chapter 1, <\/p>\n
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\nverses 26 and 27.
\nMan made an image and likeness <\/p>\n
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\nof God.
\nIs it? <\/p>\n
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\nWe’re at Genesis.
\nChapter 126. <\/p>\n
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\nChapter 126 And Elohim said, Let
\nus make man in our image and <\/p>\n
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\nafter our likeness, and let him
\nhave dominion. <\/p>\n
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\nVerse 20 Right And Elohim
\nblessed them, and God said unto <\/p>\n
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\nthem, Be fruitful, and multiply,
\nand replenish the earth, and <\/p>\n
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\nsubdue it, and have dominion.
\nSo we considered on the last <\/p>\n
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\noccasion.
\nWhat this image and likeness of <\/p>\n
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\nGod was, OK.
\nAnd we looked at the mind and we<\/p>\n
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\nlooked at consciousness and, and
\nhere’s its clock rate and so on.<\/p>\n
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\nAnd we broke up the mental and
\nmoral areas, OK, into these <\/p>\n
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\nsections here, moral faculties,
\nlust, emotions and memory, OK. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd we listed a few of the
\nthings that come under those <\/p>\n
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\nheadings.
\nAll right. <\/p>\n
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\nAlthough you might disagree,
\nsome you reckon might be over <\/p>\n
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\nhere.
\nNot that doesn’t matter really, <\/p>\n
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\nOK, The the the whole point is
\nthat it was made in the image <\/p>\n
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\nand likeness of God in that he
\nhad a bundle of potentials here <\/p>\n
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\nthat other animals didn’t have
\nand he was an animal animal <\/p>\n
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\nnature, the earth earthy, OK, a
\nnatural body, OK, but the other <\/p>\n
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\nthe animals didn’t have these
\ndivine capabilities. <\/p>\n
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\nNow, capabilities are not
\nvirtue. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd that the mind is so complex.
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\naura written that stirs you up
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\nyourself, OK, That first third
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\nI said last time we we’ve got to
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\ndown those and he said, yeah,
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\nreplenish those, but they were <\/p>\n
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\nthe beast to feel for. <\/p>\n
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\nsaid we’re an animal and, and <\/p>\n
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\neven though that animal at that
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\nAll right, he said. <\/p>\n
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\nOK, but we’ll come to that in a <\/p>\n
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\nsituation of trial.
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\nHow can you develop loyally
\nwithout trial? <\/p>\n
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\nHow could you develop patience?
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\nHow could you develop duty
\nwithout trial? <\/p>\n
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\nmight get a little bit of them,
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\na while because they’re not.
\nSo, you know, and then when the <\/p>\n
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\nthe older ones model aeroplane, <\/p>\n
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\nyou know, you’ve got to teach
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\nYou know, the everything can’t <\/p>\n
337
\n00:22:45,280 –> 00:22:48,720
\nbe strict equity, OK.
\nAnd you learn that family <\/p>\n
338
\n00:22:48,720 –> 00:22:50,160
\nprinciples, we did that
\nourselves. <\/p>\n
339
\n00:22:50,160 –> 00:22:52,840
\nWell, God’s doing that.
\nI don’t think it’s a marvellous <\/p>\n
340
\n00:22:52,840 –> 00:22:55,840
\nin its detail, but it’s nothing
\nstrange. <\/p>\n
341
\n00:22:56,240 –> 00:23:00,560
\nAnd therefore they had to have
\nthis law and it carried the <\/p>\n
342
\n00:23:00,560 –> 00:23:03,840
\ndeath sentence, of course, all
\nright. <\/p>\n
343
\n00:23:03,840 –> 00:23:07,960
\nIt carried that death sentence
\nand and, and that indicated <\/p>\n
344
\n00:23:07,960 –> 00:23:10,480
\nstraight away that they were
\ngiven life. <\/p>\n
345
\n00:23:10,480 –> 00:23:16,160
\nAnd to have life all right is a
\ngreat privilege, and Romans <\/p>\n
346
\n00:23:16,160 –> 00:23:21,640
\nChapter 9 tells us that just
\nbeing given life does not give <\/p>\n
347
\n00:23:21,640 –> 00:23:24,720
\nus a title to eternal.
\nLife. <\/p>\n
348
\n00:23:25,480 –> 00:23:27,640
\nNor does it even give us a
\ntitle. <\/p>\n
349
\n00:23:28,200 –> 00:23:33,240
\nTo have a chance for eternal
\nlife, that’s challenging. <\/p>\n
350
\n00:23:34,760 –> 00:23:39,000
\nThat’s challenging.
\nAll right, A kangaroo didn’t ask<\/p>\n
351
\n00:23:39,000 –> 00:23:41,960
\nto be born a kangaroo, and he
\ngets no chance to eternal life, <\/p>\n
352
\n00:23:41,960 –> 00:23:46,040
\nand he’s got life.
\nSo just being born doesn’t give <\/p>\n
353
\n00:23:46,040 –> 00:23:48,880
\nyou the title to have the chance
\nfor eternal life. <\/p>\n
354
\n00:23:50,120 –> 00:23:53,160
\nOK.
\nAnd eternal life is just not <\/p>\n
355
\n00:23:53,160 –> 00:23:56,240
\neternal life.
\nIt’s sharing God’s own <\/p>\n
356
\n00:23:56,240 –> 00:24:01,040
\nimmortality.
\nOK, it’s an awesome thing. <\/p>\n
357
\n00:24:03,120 –> 00:24:06,040
\nAnd that’s a human
\npreconception. <\/p>\n
358
\n00:24:06,040 –> 00:24:07,440
\nWe’ve got to get out of our
\nmind. <\/p>\n
359
\n00:24:08,680 –> 00:24:10,480
\nWhy does this happen to me?
\nYeah. <\/p>\n
360
\n00:24:10,720 –> 00:24:13,760
\nWhy these other people’s got the
\npeople got this chance. <\/p>\n
361
\n00:24:14,160 –> 00:24:16,880
\nBut Romans Chapter 9 says, well,
\nwe’re going to argue about <\/p>\n
362
\n00:24:17,080 –> 00:24:20,600
\nrights, He says.
\nRomans Chapter 9 says if you’re <\/p>\n
363
\n00:24:20,600 –> 00:24:23,120
\ngoing to argue about rights, you
\ncan forget it. <\/p>\n
364
\n00:24:23,800 –> 00:24:26,320
\nGod will have mercy on whom
\nhe’ll have mercy on whom he <\/p>\n
365
\n00:24:26,320 –> 00:24:30,440
\nhardeneth, he harness.
\nOh, is there a shall we find <\/p>\n
366
\n00:24:30,440 –> 00:24:32,800
\nunrighteousness with God?
\nThat’s unfair. <\/p>\n
367
\n00:24:33,360 –> 00:24:37,080
\nYeah.
\nJacob, have I called and he saw <\/p>\n
368
\n00:24:37,120 –> 00:24:39,600
\nhave I hate and love and he saw
\nhave I hate it. <\/p>\n
369
\n00:24:39,760 –> 00:24:41,600
\nThat’s unfair.
\nIt looks unfair. <\/p>\n
370
\n00:24:42,320 –> 00:24:49,040
\nOK, But it carefully says God
\ntakes out of the one lump the <\/p>\n
371
\n00:24:49,040 –> 00:24:53,800
\nclay.
\nThe whole lump is not entitled <\/p>\n
372
\n00:24:54,040 –> 00:25:00,600
\nto anything but what their clay
\ngives them privilege to. <\/p>\n
373
\n00:25:01,360 –> 00:25:05,920
\nIn other words, just because
\nyou’ve been given life does not <\/p>\n
374
\n00:25:05,920 –> 00:25:08,920
\ngive you a right to a chance to
\neternal life. <\/p>\n
375
\n00:25:08,920 –> 00:25:12,760
\nThat’s we’re talking about
\nequity now we’re not talking <\/p>\n
376
\n00:25:12,760 –> 00:25:15,880
\nfamily.
\nWe’re talking about anti Judaism<\/p>\n
377
\n00:25:15,880 –> 00:25:19,240
\nwhere you earn.
\nEternal life can’t be earned. <\/p>\n
378
\n00:25:19,280 –> 00:25:23,800
\nYou can’t earn a part of God’s
\nown eternal nature. <\/p>\n
379
\n00:25:24,280 –> 00:25:27,480
\nYou have to be tried forever to
\nearn forever. <\/p>\n
380
\n00:25:27,520 –> 00:25:32,240
\nAnd that’s ridiculous, OK?
\nHence their very existence as a <\/p>\n
381
\n00:25:32,240 –> 00:25:36,280
\nmatter of grace and God’s
\nsaying, like your life, it’s the<\/p>\n
382
\n00:25:36,280 –> 00:25:40,320
\nlaw, here’s my will.
\nI’ve given you a life for my <\/p>\n
383
\n00:25:40,320 –> 00:25:43,360
\npurpose.
\nYou go against that and you’ll <\/p>\n
384
\n00:25:43,360 –> 00:25:49,480
\nlose your law.
\nSome people have problems with <\/p>\n
385
\n00:25:49,480 –> 00:25:53,320
\nthat that Paul, Adam and Eve
\nwere condemned to death because <\/p>\n
386
\n00:25:53,320 –> 00:25:55,760
\nthey knocked off a a piece of.
\nFruit or something. <\/p>\n
387
\n00:25:56,040 –> 00:25:59,000
\nOK, but they don’t see the
\nprinciples involved. <\/p>\n
388
\n00:25:59,840 –> 00:26:05,080
\nOK, so trial comes and the
\ntrial? <\/p>\n
389
\n00:26:05,080 –> 00:26:09,920
\nComes in the in an external form
\ncomes in the an external form. <\/p>\n
390
\n00:26:10,120 –> 00:26:17,640
\nOK, they they had it’s an
\nexternal trial and why it’s an <\/p>\n
391
\n00:26:17,640 –> 00:26:21,000
\nexternal trial because even
\nthough they had the lust of <\/p>\n
392
\n00:26:21,000 –> 00:26:22,880
\nthat’s the eye and the pride of
\nlife. <\/p>\n
393
\n00:26:23,800 –> 00:26:28,680
\nNow they weren’t so sufficiently
\nstrong that of themselves they <\/p>\n
394
\n00:26:28,680 –> 00:26:32,760
\nwould suggest transgression.
\nAll right, they had. <\/p>\n
395
\n00:26:32,760 –> 00:26:36,000
\nYou got to, as we’ve said in the
\nlast occasion, you got to have <\/p>\n
396
\n00:26:36,000 –> 00:26:37,480
\nenough.
\nPride to do your hair. <\/p>\n
397
\n00:26:37,960 –> 00:26:39,840
\nHe’s got his hair cut and done
\ntonight. <\/p>\n
398
\n00:26:39,840 –> 00:26:42,120
\nSo that’s all right.
\nYou got to have enough pride to <\/p>\n
399
\n00:26:42,120 –> 00:26:44,480
\nPolish your boots, keep yourself
\nclean and so on. <\/p>\n
400
\n00:26:44,640 –> 00:26:48,800
\nOK, Stop hiding there.
\nHe’s hiding under his hands now <\/p>\n
401
\n00:26:49,280 –> 00:26:53,200
\nand and you know, there’s
\nnothing wrong with the lust of <\/p>\n
402
\n00:26:53,200 –> 00:26:55,400
\nfirst in the eye and the problem
\nof it’s animal, but it’s <\/p>\n
403
\n00:26:55,400 –> 00:26:57,640
\nnecessary.
\nYou can’t do without its <\/p>\n
404
\n00:26:57,640 –> 00:26:59,520
\nhormones.
\nYou can’t do without all its <\/p>\n
405
\n00:26:59,520 –> 00:27:03,480
\nfunctionalism that’s part of a
\nnatural body, OK? <\/p>\n
406
\n00:27:03,560 –> 00:27:06,200
\nAnd there’s nothing wrong with
\nthat, OK. <\/p>\n
407
\n00:27:06,200 –> 00:27:09,760
\nBut they weren’t strong enough
\nto suggest a wrong thing of <\/p>\n
408
\n00:27:09,760 –> 00:27:12,000
\nthemselves.
\nOK, And. <\/p>\n
409
\n00:27:12,000 –> 00:27:16,720
\nTherefore, wrong ideas had to be
\ncommunicated to them externally.<\/p>\n
410
\n00:27:17,160 –> 00:27:18,680
\nAnd that’s exactly what
\nhappened. <\/p>\n
411
\n00:27:19,360 –> 00:27:20,640
\nOK.
\nAnd God did that. <\/p>\n
412
\n00:27:20,640 –> 00:27:26,200
\nHe raised up that beast all
\nright, for necessary purposes. <\/p>\n
413
\n00:27:29,080 –> 00:27:34,760
\nAnd of course he suggests a lie.
\nAnd of course, he has no. <\/p>\n
414
\n00:27:34,760 –> 00:27:37,920
\nMoral faculties.
\nSo he doesn’t know it’s a lie. <\/p>\n
415
\n00:27:38,120 –> 00:27:41,600
\nThat’s a lie, OK?
\nHe doesn’t know it’s <\/p>\n
416
\n00:27:41,600 –> 00:27:44,920
\ndisbelieving God.
\nThat’s disbelieving God, OK? <\/p>\n
417
\n00:27:47,640 –> 00:27:55,360
\nHe doesn’t realize that it would
\nbe unloyal and and thankless and<\/p>\n
418
\n00:27:55,360 –> 00:27:59,400
\neverything to ignore God.
\nHe can’t understand any of that,<\/p>\n
419
\n00:27:59,400 –> 00:28:04,240
\nOK?
\nAll he knows is that the angels <\/p>\n
420
\n00:28:04,240 –> 00:28:07,080
\nhave got the knowledge of good
\nand evil and they’re glorious <\/p>\n
421
\n00:28:07,080 –> 00:28:09,000
\nbeings.
\nThey’re not dead. <\/p>\n
422
\n00:28:09,000 –> 00:28:12,760
\nThey don’t look like dying.
\nAnd he’s a pure scientist from <\/p>\n
423
\n00:28:12,760 –> 00:28:16,960
\nobservation, OK?
\nObservation says you eat it. <\/p>\n
424
\n00:28:17,640 –> 00:28:21,960
\nYou’ve been a simple saying, you
\nread it, you’ll be an Angel, you<\/p>\n
425
\n00:28:21,960 –> 00:28:24,120
\naren’t done, OK, And that’s what
\nwas put to it. <\/p>\n
426
\n00:28:24,760 –> 00:28:30,760
\nOK, verse 3 but of the verse
\nfour. <\/p>\n
427
\n00:28:30,760 –> 00:28:34,320
\nAnd the serpent said unto the
\nwoman, Thou shalt not, thou <\/p>\n
428
\n00:28:34,320 –> 00:28:39,640
\nshalt not surely die.
\nFor God doth know that in the <\/p>\n
429
\n00:28:39,640 –> 00:28:42,880
\nday you eat thereof, then your
\neyes should be open. <\/p>\n
430
\n00:28:42,960 –> 00:28:49,240
\nYou should be like the angels
\nknowing good and evil all right <\/p>\n
431
\n00:28:51,480 –> 00:28:57,240
\nthen verse 6 says, and when the
\nwoman saw the tree was good for <\/p>\n
432
\n00:28:57,240 –> 00:29:01,200
\nfood, pleasant the eyes and make
\none wise she took it pick up the<\/p>\n
433
\n00:29:01,200 –> 00:29:07,080
\nword when so something obviously
\nhappened between verse 5, which <\/p>\n
434
\n00:29:07,080 –> 00:29:08,960
\nis the last words of the
\nserpent. <\/p>\n
435
\n00:29:10,000 –> 00:29:13,840
\nGod says God, he said God knows
\nyou won’t die. <\/p>\n
436
\n00:29:13,840 –> 00:29:18,520
\nYou’ll be like the angels, OK?
\nYou like like you’re now good <\/p>\n
437
\n00:29:18,520 –> 00:29:20,080
\nand evil.
\nYou’ll be angelic. <\/p>\n
438
\n00:29:20,880 –> 00:29:30,160
\nOK, so then there’s obviously
\nsomething happens between verse <\/p>\n
439
\n00:29:30,160 –> 00:29:33,960
\n5 and 6.
\nWhat happens? <\/p>\n
440
\n00:29:35,400 –> 00:29:38,320
\nOn your young brothers, what
\nhappens between 5:00 and 6:00? <\/p>\n
441
\n00:29:42,880 –> 00:29:47,160
\nIt’s hot tonight, they got their
\neyes open, but that’s about all.<\/p>\n
442
\n00:29:50,320 –> 00:29:55,600
\nSorry.
\nWhat’d he say? <\/p>\n
443
\n00:29:57,840 –> 00:30:00,760
\nAsk the question again.
\nStart the question. <\/p>\n
444
\n00:30:00,760 –> 00:30:03,680
\nShe starts the question.
\nHe’s been to school, the <\/p>\n
445
\n00:30:03,680 –> 00:30:05,200
\nprophets.
\nHe’s. <\/p>\n
446
\n00:30:08,360 –> 00:30:11,480
\nWell, we’re told exactly what
\nhappened, OK, and you want <\/p>\n
447
\n00:30:11,480 –> 00:30:13,840
\nshould write your margin these
\nverses. <\/p>\n
448
\n00:30:14,120 –> 00:30:24,360
\nWhat happens between verse 5 and
\n6 is found in Hebrews 312, First<\/p>\n
449
\n00:30:24,400 –> 00:30:30,120
\nTimothy 214, and 2nd Corinthians
\n11 and 3. <\/p>\n
450
\n00:30:32,600 –> 00:30:33,520
\nTo.
\nStart with. <\/p>\n
451
\n00:30:33,720 –> 00:30:40,080
\nShe starts to question.
\nThat is, she has no answer. <\/p>\n
452
\n00:30:40,440 –> 00:30:46,760
\nTo this serpent, the serpent’s
\nlogic, his logic, his reasoning <\/p>\n
453
\n00:30:47,320 –> 00:30:51,200
\nseems correct, and she has no
\nanswer for it. <\/p>\n
454
\n00:30:52,120 –> 00:30:59,640
\nOK, she has no answer.
\nThen she makes the mistake of <\/p>\n
455
\n00:30:59,640 –> 00:31:05,880
\nresponding to 1st impulsive
\nthinking, which you should never<\/p>\n
456
\n00:31:05,880 –> 00:31:07,720
\ndo.
\nThat might come across you. <\/p>\n
457
\n00:31:07,720 –> 00:31:09,720
\nYou may laugh at a promise of
\nGod. <\/p>\n
458
\n00:31:10,240 –> 00:31:12,200
\nLike Sarah.
\nBut when she sat down and <\/p>\n
459
\n00:31:12,200 –> 00:31:14,840
\nthought about it, Hebrew says
\nshe believed. <\/p>\n
460
\n00:31:15,400 –> 00:31:19,160
\nOK.
\nSo we’re told she entered <\/p>\n
461
\n00:31:19,560 –> 00:31:22,440
\nvirtually into a state of
\nunbelief. <\/p>\n
462
\n00:31:23,440 –> 00:31:26,640
\nAnd let’s look at 2nd
\nCorinthians 11\/3. <\/p>\n
463
\n00:31:38,870 –> 00:31:44,800
\n2nd Corinthians 11 verse 3 says
\nverse 2 I’m jealous over you <\/p>\n
464
\n00:31:44,800 –> 00:31:48,080
\nwith the godly jealousy, for
\nI’ve espouse you to one husband,<\/p>\n
465
\n00:31:48,080 –> 00:31:50,840
\nthat I may present you a chaste
\nvirgin to Christ. <\/p>\n
466
\n00:31:50,840 –> 00:31:55,440
\nVerse 3 For I fear lest by any
\nmeans has the serpent beguiled <\/p>\n
467
\n00:31:55,440 –> 00:32:03,360
\nthese through his subtility, so
\nyour minds may be corrupted from<\/p>\n
468
\n00:32:03,360 –> 00:32:11,280
\nthe simplicity that’s in Christ.
\nSo she was beguiled and her mind<\/p>\n
469
\n00:32:11,360 –> 00:32:23,360
\nwas corrupted.
\nOK, we find in Timothy, First <\/p>\n
470
\n00:32:23,360 –> 00:32:38,600
\nTimothy 214.
\nIt gives 3 reasons why the <\/p>\n
471
\n00:32:38,960 –> 00:32:44,200
\nsisters should not usurp
\nauthority over the man but be in<\/p>\n
472
\n00:32:44,200 –> 00:32:47,480
\nsilence.
\nVerse 12 of First Timothy 2. <\/p>\n
473
\n00:32:48,360 –> 00:32:53,400
\nThe first reason is verse 13 for
\nAdam was first formed. <\/p>\n
474
\n00:32:53,800 –> 00:32:58,560
\nThen a.
\nThe second reason is Adam was <\/p>\n
475
\n00:32:58,560 –> 00:33:05,320
\nnot deceived, but the woman
\nbeing deceived was 3 in the <\/p>\n
476
\n00:33:05,320 –> 00:33:10,840
\ntransgression.
\nSo a reason 1 Adam was first <\/p>\n
477
\n00:33:10,840 –> 00:33:12,560
\nformed.
\nReason 2. <\/p>\n
478
\n00:33:12,560 –> 00:33:15,280
\nThe woman was deceived, reason
\n3. <\/p>\n
479
\n00:33:15,720 –> 00:33:22,480
\nShe was in, that is part of the
\ntransgression, part of the fall <\/p>\n
480
\n00:33:22,480 –> 00:33:27,240
\nof man, in other words.
\nAnd for those three reasons, she<\/p>\n
481
\n00:33:27,240 –> 00:33:31,640
\nwas not to teach, to keep
\nsilence in the ecclesia and not <\/p>\n
482
\n00:33:31,640 –> 00:33:37,320
\nusurp authority over the man.
\nSo the point is, what went on? <\/p>\n
483
\n00:33:37,360 –> 00:33:42,960
\nShe was deceived.
\nAnd how we read, just read from <\/p>\n
484
\n00:33:42,960 –> 00:33:49,720
\nCorinthians, that her mind was
\nbeguiled and corrupted. <\/p>\n
485
\n00:33:50,720 –> 00:33:56,560
\nLet’s look at what this state of
\nmind is like. <\/p>\n
486
\n00:33:56,640 –> 00:34:01,560
\nHebrews chapters 3 and four are
\nall about unbelief. <\/p>\n
487
\n00:34:02,880 –> 00:34:08,719
\nLike nowhere else in the Bible,
\nit points up the malady of <\/p>\n
488
\n00:34:08,719 –> 00:34:14,560
\nunbelief and what it constitutes
\nwhen you father, believe what <\/p>\n
489
\n00:34:14,560 –> 00:34:20,360
\nGod has said.
\nHebrews 3, verse 12. <\/p>\n
490
\n00:34:23,600 –> 00:34:29,800
\nTake heed brethren, lest there
\nbe in any of you what an evil <\/p>\n
491
\n00:34:29,800 –> 00:34:36,719
\nheart of unbelief in departing
\nfrom the living God. <\/p>\n
492
\n00:34:40,080 –> 00:34:43,679
\nVerse 19.
\nSo you see that they, that is <\/p>\n
493
\n00:34:43,679 –> 00:34:45,600
\nIsrael could not enter in the
\nland. <\/p>\n
494
\n00:34:45,600 –> 00:34:48,960
\nWhy?
\nBecause of unbelief. <\/p>\n
495
\n00:34:50,000 –> 00:34:55,400
\nAgain in chapter 4.
\nOK, it keeps repeating this, the<\/p>\n
496
\n00:34:55,400 –> 00:34:58,600
\nend of verse 6.
\nBecause of unbelief. <\/p>\n
497
\n00:34:59,160 –> 00:35:04,240
\nVerse 11 fall after the same
\nexample of unbelief. <\/p>\n
498
\n00:35:04,760 –> 00:35:09,600
\nUnbelief is a evil state of the
\nheart. <\/p>\n
499
\n00:35:14,320 –> 00:35:20,600
\nSo let’s go back to Genesis 3.
\nDid someone ask a question then?<\/p>\n
500
\n00:35:21,360 –> 00:35:29,400
\nNo, sorry, it was just a yawn.
\nSo what happened between verse 5<\/p>\n
501
\n00:35:29,400 –> 00:35:33,160
\nand 6 was.
\nThat she believed the serpent, <\/p>\n
502
\n00:35:33,200 –> 00:35:37,640
\nwhich means she had to
\ndisbelieve God and a <\/p>\n
503
\n00:35:37,640 –> 00:35:41,840
\ndisbelieving God, and in
\nbelieving the serpent had a deep<\/p>\n
504
\n00:35:41,840 –> 00:35:44,360
\npsychological effect on her
\nmind. <\/p>\n
505
\n00:35:44,920 –> 00:35:48,400
\nA deceived and a corrupted and
\nan evil heart. <\/p>\n
506
\n00:35:49,920 –> 00:35:51,880
\nI don’t think I have to go into
\nall this. <\/p>\n
507
\n00:35:51,880 –> 00:35:53,560
\nI think we’ve all experienced.
\nIt. <\/p>\n
508
\n00:35:54,960 –> 00:35:57,160
\nYou know when you can be in a
\ngood frame of mind. <\/p>\n
509
\n00:35:57,440 –> 00:36:02,640
\nYou know, when passions can shut
\noff that and you can descend <\/p>\n
510
\n00:36:02,640 –> 00:36:08,840
\ninto an evil state of mind, the
\nbasic to the atonement and basic<\/p>\n
511
\n00:36:08,840 –> 00:36:14,040
\nto the record in Genesis is
\nunbelief versus belief. <\/p>\n
512
\n00:36:15,120 –> 00:36:20,360
\nIt’s faith versus lack of faith.
\nOK. <\/p>\n
513
\n00:36:20,760 –> 00:36:24,720
\nAnd that’s fundamental.
\nAnd you say, well, that’s too <\/p>\n
514
\n00:36:24,720 –> 00:36:26,720
\nsimplistic.
\nWell, I put it to you in your, <\/p>\n
515
\n00:36:26,800 –> 00:36:31,360
\nin our personal lives, OK?
\nI mean, God is everything and <\/p>\n
516
\n00:36:31,360 –> 00:36:33,840
\nGod is present everywhere at all
\ntimes. <\/p>\n
517
\n00:36:34,680 –> 00:36:38,960
\nNow, if you could sustain that
\nin every situation, there’s no <\/p>\n
518
\n00:36:38,960 –> 00:36:41,640
\nway you’d do most of the things
\nthat you do wrong. <\/p>\n
519
\n00:36:41,640 –> 00:36:44,320
\nThere’s no way you wouldn’t do
\nit if you. <\/p>\n
520
\n00:36:44,880 –> 00:36:49,720
\nI mean, the funny part is that
\nif someone said challenge you <\/p>\n
521
\n00:36:49,720 –> 00:36:51,960
\nand watch your belief and they
\nsaid if you believe that we’re <\/p>\n
522
\n00:36:51,960 –> 00:36:55,400
\ngoing to shoot you, you know,
\nthe army or something, The funny<\/p>\n
523
\n00:36:55,400 –> 00:36:57,240
\npart is you’d stand up and get
\nshot. <\/p>\n
524
\n00:36:58,600 –> 00:37:04,720
\nBut in another situation, you
\nbehave as if God wasn’t there. <\/p>\n
525
\n00:37:04,720 –> 00:37:17,570
\nWhat
\ngoes on? <\/p>\n
526
\n00:37:18,130 –> 00:37:23,530
\nOK, what goes on?
\nWe shut off the moral factories.<\/p>\n
527
\n00:37:23,530 –> 00:37:28,450
\nWe just draw a blind and.
\nThey don’t exist and we start <\/p>\n
528
\n00:37:28,450 –> 00:37:30,770
\nthinking like this and it takes
\nover. <\/p>\n
529
\n00:37:32,170 –> 00:37:37,400
\nAnd when it satisfied itself.
\nThe blind runs up by itself and <\/p>\n
530
\n00:37:37,400 –> 00:37:40,240
\nall the moral factories come
\nback in and you feel absolutely <\/p>\n
531
\n00:37:40,240 –> 00:37:43,160
\nrich.
\nTrue, true. <\/p>\n
532
\n00:37:45,280 –> 00:37:52,760
\nSo that describes So what
\nhappened in the fall and why is <\/p>\n
533
\n00:37:52,760 –> 00:37:54,560
\nthis so important in the
\natonement? <\/p>\n
534
\n00:37:55,120 –> 00:38:00,120
\nThe first right problem is
\ndisbelieving what God has said. <\/p>\n
535
\n00:38:01,720 –> 00:38:06,200
\nAnd believing something else, in
\nthis case, deceived her. <\/p>\n
536
\n00:38:06,200 –> 00:38:09,880
\nShe was deceived, OK.
\nAnd she believes something else <\/p>\n
537
\n00:38:10,280 –> 00:38:11,200
\nnow.
\nThat’s what happened. <\/p>\n
538
\n00:38:11,840 –> 00:38:13,960
\nSo she’s in an evil state of
\nmind. <\/p>\n
539
\n00:38:14,480 –> 00:38:18,680
\nYou know, it’s like me when I
\nwas a kid and Mum goes out <\/p>\n
540
\n00:38:18,680 –> 00:38:21,720
\nsomewhere and I’m home by
\nmyself, you know, And there’s, <\/p>\n
541
\n00:38:21,800 –> 00:38:24,960
\nthere’s, there’s this white
\nbread and there’s this. <\/p>\n
542
\n00:38:25,600 –> 00:38:27,640
\nButter, which was rationed in
\nthe war. <\/p>\n
543
\n00:38:27,640 –> 00:38:33,800
\nAnd there’s the condensed milk
\nand the coconut spread in this <\/p>\n
544
\n00:38:34,240 –> 00:38:37,360
\nas certain jams.
\nYou can imagine what the <\/p>\n
545
\n00:38:37,360 –> 00:38:38,960
\nsandwich finished up looking
\nlike. <\/p>\n
546
\n00:38:39,280 –> 00:38:41,880
\nThat’s it.
\nAnd it made me feel quite ill. <\/p>\n
547
\n00:38:41,880 –> 00:38:44,680
\nBut, I mean, I was in a state of
\nexcitement. <\/p>\n
548
\n00:38:45,840 –> 00:38:49,360
\nI was out, and I had access to
\nall these things that I could <\/p>\n
549
\n00:38:49,360 –> 00:38:53,240
\ncover it up before she got home.
\nBut, you know, it’s a state of <\/p>\n
550
\n00:38:53,240 –> 00:38:57,800
\nexcitement of freedom from
\nrestriction, OK, Which was a <\/p>\n
551
\n00:38:57,800 –> 00:38:59,520
\nhealthy restriction.
\nOK. <\/p>\n
552
\n00:39:00,040 –> 00:39:03,520
\nAnd so she wouldn’t understand
\nthis or even analyse it all. <\/p>\n
553
\n00:39:03,520 –> 00:39:07,920
\nBut this is all happening OK,
\nand consequently they’ve been <\/p>\n
554
\n00:39:07,920 –> 00:39:10,360
\npassing this tree for who knows?
\nHow long? <\/p>\n
555
\n00:39:10,360 –> 00:39:13,240
\nAll right.
\nAnd looking at the fruit and <\/p>\n
556
\n00:39:13,240 –> 00:39:15,840
\nsaying, yeah, the fruit of
\ndeath, you know, whatever, What?<\/p>\n
557
\n00:39:16,200 –> 00:39:20,120
\nAll right.
\nBut now to change the state of <\/p>\n
558
\n00:39:20,120 –> 00:39:23,920
\nunbelief, the psychological
\neffects, the nervous effects, <\/p>\n
559
\n00:39:23,920 –> 00:39:25,560
\nwho knows?
\nIt’s too complex to know, you <\/p>\n
560
\n00:39:26,600 –> 00:39:30,880
\nknow, Too complex to know.
\nIt stirred up the very good <\/p>\n
561
\n00:39:30,880 –> 00:39:34,280
\nlust, the flesh, the very good
\nlust, the iron, the very good <\/p>\n
562
\n00:39:34,280 –> 00:39:39,520
\nblood of life.
\nAnd they became very excited by <\/p>\n
563
\n00:39:39,760 –> 00:39:44,960
\nunbelief, the psychology of
\nunbelief, and all that’s <\/p>\n
564
\n00:39:44,960 –> 00:39:50,840
\ninvolved in that.
\nConsequently, she looked at the <\/p>\n
565
\n00:39:50,840 –> 00:39:53,480
\ntree differently.
\nIt was good to look at the food.<\/p>\n
566
\n00:39:53,480 –> 00:39:54,120
\nIt was.
\nGood. <\/p>\n
567
\n00:39:54,320 –> 00:39:58,840
\nPleasant to the eyes OK and I’ve
\nmade one wise. <\/p>\n
568
\n00:39:59,320 –> 00:40:03,000
\nAnd you could imagine her you
\nknow using all these moral <\/p>\n
569
\n00:40:03,000 –> 00:40:07,760
\nfaculties she’s had all right
\nbut eventually switching them <\/p>\n
570
\n00:40:07,760 –> 00:40:12,120
\nvirtually off.
\nOK these were now in flames. <\/p>\n
571
\n00:40:12,680 –> 00:40:17,120
\nThis was now in control.
\nAnd she could say, oh, and she <\/p>\n
572
\n00:40:17,120 –> 00:40:18,760
\nthought she’d be bringing this
\nin. <\/p>\n
573
\n00:40:18,760 –> 00:40:20,760
\nGod wants me to be like the
\nangels. <\/p>\n
574
\n00:40:21,000 –> 00:40:23,480
\nThere’s nothing wrong with being
\nlike the angels. <\/p>\n
575
\n00:40:24,000 –> 00:40:25,440
\nYeah, the.
\nYou know, the. <\/p>\n
576
\n00:40:26,160 –> 00:40:31,400
\nThat’s our hope, to be like the
\nangels, you know, and, and, and,<\/p>\n
577
\n00:40:32,160 –> 00:40:36,320
\nand all these things are getting
\nwrongly used adversely. <\/p>\n
578
\n00:40:36,320 –> 00:40:41,120
\nWhat you’re doing.
\nLust is so strong, it’s drawing <\/p>\n
579
\n00:40:41,120 –> 00:40:43,960
\na blind.
\nAnd over all this, in the end, <\/p>\n
580
\n00:40:44,160 –> 00:40:47,640
\nit’s just drawing a blind down.
\nAnd that’s what we all <\/p>\n
581
\n00:40:47,640 –> 00:40:53,920
\nexperience.
\nIt’s called the carnal thinking.<\/p>\n
582
\n00:40:53,920 –> 00:41:00,640
\nIt’s called the carnal mind.
\nAll right, her actually <\/p>\n
583
\n00:41:00,640 –> 00:41:05,440
\ndisobeying and taking of that
\nthat fruit was more or less <\/p>\n
584
\n00:41:05,440 –> 00:41:09,440
\ninevitable.
\nWe must realize what the <\/p>\n
585
\n00:41:09,440 –> 00:41:13,800
\npossibilities are here.
\nShe needn’t have done that. <\/p>\n
586
\n00:41:15,840 –> 00:41:17,080
\nShe needn’t have done that at
\nall. <\/p>\n
587
\n00:41:18,400 –> 00:41:20,640
\nWhat should she have done?
\nIt’s easy for us to say. <\/p>\n
588
\n00:41:22,000 –> 00:41:25,280
\nWhat should she have said?
\nWell, she was educated by God. <\/p>\n
589
\n00:41:25,280 –> 00:41:29,480
\nShe’d been educated in moral.
\nPrinciples as well as how to how<\/p>\n
590
\n00:41:29,480 –> 00:41:33,160
\nto build houses and keep them
\nclean and all that thing and and<\/p>\n
591
\n00:41:33,200 –> 00:41:36,280
\npreparing her for motherhood,
\nwhich she obviously physically <\/p>\n
592
\n00:41:36,280 –> 00:41:40,480
\nwasn’t quite ready for yet but
\nparents to be good parents are <\/p>\n
593
\n00:41:40,480 –> 00:41:43,040
\ngoing to have good education
\nbefore they’re ready for that <\/p>\n
594
\n00:41:43,040 –> 00:41:46,080
\nand due time and God would have
\nincreased their. <\/p>\n
595
\n00:41:46,840 –> 00:41:49,880
\nRelationships so that they could
\ncome together to have a family, <\/p>\n
596
\n00:41:49,880 –> 00:41:52,840
\nbut they’d be ready for God.
\nLike in Christ’s case. <\/p>\n
597
\n00:41:52,840 –> 00:41:55,080
\nHe always prepared the mind
\nahead of the body. <\/p>\n
598
\n00:41:55,080 –> 00:41:57,840
\nAt 12 years of age, he’s the
\nhead of puberty. <\/p>\n
599
\n00:41:57,840 –> 00:42:00,600
\nWasn’t he always prepared and
\nguts the way God operates? <\/p>\n
600
\n00:42:00,600 –> 00:42:01,280
\nWhere?
\nPossible. <\/p>\n
601
\n00:42:01,480 –> 00:42:06,440
\nOK, Now here was a trial.
\nIt could have been a great step <\/p>\n
602
\n00:42:06,440 –> 00:42:11,200
\nforward or it could be a great
\nstep backwards. <\/p>\n
603
\n00:42:11,680 –> 00:42:14,920
\nTook a backward step.
\nNow what should she have said? <\/p>\n
604
\n00:42:15,160 –> 00:42:18,640
\nShe should have said something
\nlike this. <\/p>\n
605
\n00:42:18,680 –> 00:42:22,160
\nYou know, something like this,
\nShe should have said, well, I <\/p>\n
606
\n00:42:22,160 –> 00:42:24,120
\ndon’t know the answer to that
\njob, right? <\/p>\n
607
\n00:42:24,120 –> 00:42:28,800
\nI don’t know the answer to that.
\nBut you know what? <\/p>\n
608
\n00:42:28,960 –> 00:42:33,440
\nI’m not going to take that fruit
\nbecause I owe God my life. <\/p>\n
609
\n00:42:34,200 –> 00:42:37,920
\nI owe my existence.
\nI owe my loyalty. <\/p>\n
610
\n00:42:38,880 –> 00:42:41,920
\nAnd even though I don’t know the
\nanswer to that, you sound right.<\/p>\n
611
\n00:42:43,240 –> 00:42:46,000
\nI’m not going to do it.
\nThat’s what she should have <\/p>\n
612
\n00:42:46,000 –> 00:42:48,920
\nsaid.
\nAnd should have taken a great <\/p>\n
613
\n00:42:48,920 –> 00:42:54,120
\nstep in patience and loyalty and
\ngratitude and awe and all those <\/p>\n
614
\n00:42:54,120 –> 00:42:56,960
\nwonderful moral faculties.
\nWould have taken a great leap <\/p>\n
615
\n00:42:56,960 –> 00:42:59,760
\nforward.
\nHere at the moment of greatest <\/p>\n
616
\n00:42:59,760 –> 00:43:03,640
\nweakness, when she’s confused of
\nmine and everything, and the <\/p>\n
617
\n00:43:03,720 –> 00:43:09,200
\nserpent sounds right, here’s a
\nmoment of weakness which could <\/p>\n
618
\n00:43:09,200 –> 00:43:13,960
\nhave been a great step forward.
\nBut she chose to take a great <\/p>\n
619
\n00:43:13,960 –> 00:43:19,560
\nstep back.
\nShe’s free will, OK, And her <\/p>\n
620
\n00:43:19,560 –> 00:43:22,680
\npassions weren’t inflamed like
\nours are, OK? <\/p>\n
621
\n00:43:24,000 –> 00:43:28,680
\nShe had that choice and that
\nshows how important free will <\/p>\n
622
\n00:43:28,680 –> 00:43:36,680
\nand in the without it, he can’t
\noperate without it. <\/p>\n
623
\n00:43:36,840 –> 00:43:38,920
\nOK.
\nHe used to worry me a little <\/p>\n
624
\n00:43:38,920 –> 00:43:41,000
\nbit.
\nThat passage about they said to <\/p>\n
625
\n00:43:41,000 –> 00:43:43,000
\nChrist, why do you teach
\nparables? <\/p>\n
626
\n00:43:43,600 –> 00:43:46,520
\nOh, he said and he quotes I was
\nI unless saying they would say <\/p>\n
627
\n00:43:47,120 –> 00:43:50,880
\nand hearing that understand and
\nbe converted, you think isn’t <\/p>\n
628
\n00:43:50,880 –> 00:43:53,080
\nthat what he wants you?
\nIsn’t that what he wants? <\/p>\n
629
\n00:43:53,600 –> 00:43:54,840
\nYou know, isn’t that what he
\nwants? <\/p>\n
630
\n00:43:56,920 –> 00:43:59,520
\nThe simple fact is he spoke in
\nparables. <\/p>\n
631
\n00:44:01,080 –> 00:44:04,200
\nAll an honest heart had to do
\nwas to come up later and say, <\/p>\n
632
\n00:44:04,680 –> 00:44:07,440
\nwhat did you mean by that?
\nThey didn’t do it. <\/p>\n
633
\n00:44:08,160 –> 00:44:13,680
\nThey chose them to do it.
\nThey preferred to sort of be a <\/p>\n
634
\n00:44:13,680 –> 00:44:16,360
\nbit vague about all that.
\nIf they found out a bit too much<\/p>\n
635
\n00:44:16,360 –> 00:44:19,640
\nabout it, it might in might
\ninterfere with their comfort <\/p>\n
636
\n00:44:19,640 –> 00:44:22,800
\nzones in life.
\nOK, in other words, you’ve got <\/p>\n
637
\n00:44:22,800 –> 00:44:25,960
\nto make a choice.
\nGood ground is said to be good <\/p>\n
638
\n00:44:26,040 –> 00:44:27,880
\nand honest.
\nYou don’t have to be really <\/p>\n
639
\n00:44:27,880 –> 00:44:30,160
\nbright.
\nYou don’t have to be the the the<\/p>\n
640
\n00:44:30,160 –> 00:44:33,240
\nmighty of this world, but
\nthere’s got to be an intrinsic <\/p>\n
641
\n00:44:33,240 –> 00:44:37,160
\nhonest there to to when when
\nyou’re confronted with the <\/p>\n
642
\n00:44:37,160 –> 00:44:40,360
\nfacts, you are prepared to
\nhumble yourself and accept them.<\/p>\n
643
\n00:44:40,360 –> 00:44:42,000
\nThat seems to be got to be
\nthere. <\/p>\n
644
\n00:44:42,400 –> 00:44:46,280
\nSo she could have made this
\ngreat move in the right <\/p>\n
645
\n00:44:46,280 –> 00:44:51,000
\ndirection and she didn’t
\nconsequently in Scripture. <\/p>\n
646
\n00:44:52,480 –> 00:44:57,160
\nAnd this is all.
\nI’ve got it there, but in 8 <\/p>\n
647
\n00:44:57,160 –> 00:45:00,160
\npages you can read the section
\non the Carnal Mind and it’s <\/p>\n
648
\n00:45:00,160 –> 00:45:01,880
\nmagnificent.
\nYou’ll get all this. <\/p>\n
649
\n00:45:02,720 –> 00:45:04,400
\nI’m just putting it in simple
\nterms. <\/p>\n
650
\n00:45:04,800 –> 00:45:08,920
\nOK, you read those 8 pages on
\nthe count of mine and and <\/p>\n
651
\n00:45:08,920 –> 00:45:10,760
\nthey’ll.
\nPossess rather get you all this <\/p>\n
652
\n00:45:11,080 –> 00:45:18,200
\nall right, so let’s see if we’ve
\ncovered what we want there. <\/p>\n
653
\n00:45:19,960 –> 00:45:24,240
\nSee, he’s a moral being.
\nHe’s a self-centered creature. <\/p>\n
654
\n00:45:25,040 –> 00:45:30,560
\nHe wasn’t a Sinner himself, but
\nhe suggested sin and Eve should <\/p>\n
655
\n00:45:30,560 –> 00:45:33,200
\nhave the dominion over him.
\nShe didn’t. <\/p>\n
656
\n00:45:33,360 –> 00:45:37,720
\nShe let the serpent have
\ndominion over her, and the <\/p>\n
657
\n00:45:37,720 –> 00:45:42,560
\npunishment fits the crime.
\nIf you want to be a servant, if <\/p>\n
658
\n00:45:42,560 –> 00:45:46,640
\nyou want the animals to have
\ndominion over you, well, she was<\/p>\n
659
\n00:45:46,640 –> 00:45:48,960
\nmade a little bit more
\nanimalistic for that. <\/p>\n
660
\n00:45:50,040 –> 00:45:54,760
\nHer lusts were inflamed.
\nOK, The lust, the flesh, the <\/p>\n
661
\n00:45:54,760 –> 00:45:59,440
\neye, and the pride of life.
\nHaving taken the fruit, it had <\/p>\n
662
\n00:45:59,440 –> 00:46:03,720
\ncertain physiological effects.
\nIt wasn’t a change of nature. <\/p>\n
663
\n00:46:03,720 –> 00:46:05,440
\nWe used the term change of
\nnature. <\/p>\n
664
\n00:46:05,440 –> 00:46:08,680
\nI think we should be more
\ncareful and say there’s a change<\/p>\n
665
\n00:46:08,680 –> 00:46:15,200
\nin a Physiology.
\nIn other words, certain light <\/p>\n
666
\n00:46:15,200 –> 00:46:19,280
\nand propensities were brought to
\nmaturity, as we will away. <\/p>\n
667
\n00:46:19,800 –> 00:46:22,560
\nAll right.
\nAnd she suddenly found herself <\/p>\n
668
\n00:46:22,560 –> 00:46:26,120
\nin a position with certain
\ndesires toward her husband that <\/p>\n
669
\n00:46:26,120 –> 00:46:29,240
\nhitherto for weren’t weren’t
\nanything as strong as that. <\/p>\n
670
\n00:46:29,640 –> 00:46:37,960
\nOK, consequently in Scripture
\nthe serpent is used for the <\/p>\n
671
\n00:46:37,960 –> 00:46:44,680
\ncarnal mind, you know, and John
\nand Christ accuses the the Jews <\/p>\n
672
\n00:46:45,920 –> 00:46:50,440
\nthe devil is a father.
\nOK, and a great discourse on <\/p>\n
673
\n00:46:50,440 –> 00:46:58,100
\nthat.
\nAnd here we want to disagree <\/p>\n
674
\n00:46:58,100 –> 00:47:07,720
\nwith our Sunday school notes.
\nOK, that goes on the side at the<\/p>\n
675
\n00:47:07,720 –> 00:47:11,960
\nend of verse 6 it says, and she
\ntook the fruit thereof and did <\/p>\n
676
\n00:47:11,960 –> 00:47:16,920
\neat, and gave also to her
\nhusband with her, and he did <\/p>\n
677
\n00:47:16,920 –> 00:47:20,720
\neat.
\nJust turn over the page to verse<\/p>\n
678
\n00:47:20,720 –> 00:47:27,720
\n17 and the judgement of Adam it
\nsaid, 17 chapter 3. <\/p>\n
679
\n00:47:27,720 –> 00:47:30,520
\nAnd unto Adam, he said.
\nBecause. <\/p>\n
680
\n00:47:33,720 –> 00:47:37,880
\nThou hast hearkened under the
\nvoice of thy wife. <\/p>\n
681
\n00:47:43,360 –> 00:47:47,680
\nShe the the woman didn’t hearken
\nto the voice of God. <\/p>\n
682
\n00:47:49,720 –> 00:47:53,280
\nShe did initially.
\nShe allowed herself to be <\/p>\n
683
\n00:47:53,280 –> 00:48:00,400
\ndeceived away from that.
\nAdam is condemned because he <\/p>\n
684
\n00:48:00,920 –> 00:48:02,880
\ndidn’t hearken under the
\nserpent. <\/p>\n
685
\n00:48:03,720 –> 00:48:10,560
\nHe hearkened to the voice of his
\nwife simply. <\/p>\n
686
\n00:48:10,560 –> 00:48:14,400
\nIt says here he gave also unto
\nher husband with her, and he did<\/p>\n
687
\n00:48:14,400 –> 00:48:17,480
\nit OK.
\nAnd the consequence was the eyes<\/p>\n
688
\n00:48:17,480 –> 00:48:22,320
\nof them both were open and that
\nthey knew they were naked and <\/p>\n
689
\n00:48:22,320 –> 00:48:25,320
\nthey tried to cover themselves
\nwith fig leaves. <\/p>\n
690
\n00:48:25,840 –> 00:48:36,800
\nAll right, we know that story.
\nRather, Thomas Oh, the <\/p>\n
691
\n00:48:36,800 –> 00:48:39,680
\ndifference in the Sunday school
\nnotes is this the Sunday school <\/p>\n
692
\n00:48:39,680 –> 00:48:42,160
\nnotes suggest.
\nAnd I can remember when they <\/p>\n
693
\n00:48:42,160 –> 00:48:45,400
\nwere first put together and who
\nput them that idea in there and <\/p>\n
694
\n00:48:45,400 –> 00:48:48,680
\nit’s sort of never gone out.
\nOK. <\/p>\n
695
\n00:48:49,840 –> 00:48:54,360
\nThe general idea is, and it’s
\nbased on that quote in Timothy, <\/p>\n
696
\n00:48:54,360 –> 00:48:58,080
\nif you’d like to just turn that
\none looked at before the first <\/p>\n
697
\n00:48:58,080 –> 00:49:23,240
\nTimothy 214, just look at that.
\nOK, it’s based on verse 14. <\/p>\n
698
\n00:49:24,040 –> 00:49:28,040
\nAdam was not deceived, but the
\nwoman being deceived was in the <\/p>\n
699
\n00:49:28,040 –> 00:49:32,280
\ntransgression and that that that
\nverse is taken. <\/p>\n
700
\n00:49:32,920 –> 00:49:36,840
\nAnd in the Sunday school notes,
\nit suggests that Eve was <\/p>\n
701
\n00:49:36,840 –> 00:49:41,120
\nactually deceived by the serpent
\nand because she was deceived, <\/p>\n
702
\n00:49:41,400 –> 00:49:45,880
\nshe made a wrong decision and
\nshe transgressed, whereas they <\/p>\n
703
\n00:49:45,880 –> 00:49:49,320
\nquote that quote.
\nAnd so but Adam wasn’t deceived,<\/p>\n
704
\n00:49:49,640 –> 00:49:52,800
\nOK, it says so there.
\nAnd Timothy Adam wasn’t <\/p>\n
705
\n00:49:52,800 –> 00:49:57,600
\ndeceived, therefore he.
\nWent in with his eyes open and <\/p>\n
706
\n00:49:57,600 –> 00:50:03,560
\nknew exactly what was happening
\nand it the side of his wife <\/p>\n
707
\n00:50:04,040 –> 00:50:07,920
\nright and they they give all
\nthese ideas, his love for his <\/p>\n
708
\n00:50:07,920 –> 00:50:11,480
\nwife and Lord, his life above of
\nloyalty to God. <\/p>\n
709
\n00:50:11,480 –> 00:50:15,680
\nBut the suggestion is he goes in
\nabsolutely, his eyes open and he<\/p>\n
710
\n00:50:15,680 –> 00:50:20,840
\njust deliberately and coldly
\ntransgresses the law of God in <\/p>\n
711
\n00:50:20,840 –> 00:50:23,280
\nfavour of his wife and.
\nThat’s what it says in the <\/p>\n
712
\n00:50:23,720 –> 00:50:30,680
\nsenior Sunday school notes.
\nOK, now we disagree with that. <\/p>\n
713
\n00:50:30,680 –> 00:50:33,480
\nAnd you?
\nAnd there’s a principle <\/p>\n
714
\n00:50:33,480 –> 00:50:38,400
\ninvolved, and that’s the
\nprinciple of unbelief. <\/p>\n
715
\n00:50:39,560 –> 00:50:43,840
\nThe problem is whether you
\nchoose to believe a proposition <\/p>\n
716
\n00:50:44,040 –> 00:50:48,840
\nthat’s contrary to God’s Word.
\nIt’s as simple as that. <\/p>\n
717
\n00:50:49,200 –> 00:50:52,600
\nAnd the whole base of
\ntransgression is either <\/p>\n
718
\n00:50:52,600 –> 00:50:55,280
\nignorance or unbelief, practical
\nunbelief. <\/p>\n
719
\n00:50:55,680 –> 00:50:57,520
\nThat’s fundamental to the
\natonement. <\/p>\n
720
\n00:50:58,280 –> 00:51:03,520
\nAnd for Adam, who’s the federal
\nsinners to have entered in there<\/p>\n
721
\n00:51:03,560 –> 00:51:08,760
\nwithout the principle unbelief,
\nit just goes right out of the <\/p>\n
722
\n00:51:09,200 –> 00:51:12,840
\nbasic principle.
\nI mean, why is Christ going <\/p>\n
723
\n00:51:12,840 –> 00:51:15,320
\naround talking about faith?
\nLittle faith. <\/p>\n
724
\n00:51:15,320 –> 00:51:17,080
\nHave faith.
\nIf you’ve got faith, just <\/p>\n
725
\n00:51:17,080 –> 00:51:18,200
\nbelieve.
\nJust believe. <\/p>\n
726
\n00:51:18,200 –> 00:51:20,360
\nBelieve what you know.
\nFaith was everything. <\/p>\n
727
\n00:51:20,800 –> 00:51:22,360
\nThe problem is people don’t
\nbelieve. <\/p>\n
728
\n00:51:22,360 –> 00:51:26,160
\nIt’s a habit.
\nUnbelief’s a habit, a terrible <\/p>\n
729
\n00:51:26,160 –> 00:51:28,520
\nhabit.
\nWe all do it OK? <\/p>\n
730
\n00:51:30,120 –> 00:51:37,160
\nAnd Brother Thomas in that
\nsection on the carnal mind, she <\/p>\n
731
\n00:51:37,200 –> 00:51:40,320
\nhe describes at great length
\nwhat Eve would have done and <\/p>\n
732
\n00:51:40,320 –> 00:51:45,920
\nvirtually seduced Adam into
\ntaking. <\/p>\n
733
\n00:51:45,920 –> 00:51:51,960
\nThe the fruit, all right.
\nShe had ulterior motives, OK, <\/p>\n
734
\n00:51:52,000 –> 00:51:56,360
\nand certain reasoning had
\nentered into her, and it had <\/p>\n
735
\n00:51:56,360 –> 00:52:00,600
\nblocked off her moral faculties.
\nShe is now under control of <\/p>\n
736
\n00:52:00,600 –> 00:52:06,480
\ninflamed lusts and using her
\nreasoning OK, she came along and<\/p>\n
737
\n00:52:06,480 –> 00:52:09,960
\nbecame the tempter to Adam.
\nWho’s not? <\/p>\n
738
\n00:52:10,000 –> 00:52:11,240
\nYet.
\nInflamed. <\/p>\n
739
\n00:52:11,520 –> 00:52:14,920
\nOK.
\nAnd she’s taken on board this <\/p>\n
740
\n00:52:14,920 –> 00:52:19,480
\nsort of reasoning.
\nAnd in her excited state, she <\/p>\n
741
\n00:52:19,480 –> 00:52:21,600
\ntempts the man.
\nYou say, Well, the man’s not an <\/p>\n
742
\n00:52:21,600 –> 00:52:24,400
\nexcited state.
\nHe hasn’t eaten another fruit. <\/p>\n
743
\n00:52:24,560 –> 00:52:26,200
\nOK.
\nAnd. <\/p>\n
744
\n00:52:28,760 –> 00:52:34,080
\nBut he’s got the same problem,
\nOK, He’s got the same problem. <\/p>\n
745
\n00:52:34,520 –> 00:52:38,600
\nShe comes along and says yes,
\nI’ve taken it, you know, yes, <\/p>\n
746
\n00:52:38,600 –> 00:52:40,320
\nit’s like.
\nAngels, it’s wonderful. <\/p>\n
747
\n00:52:40,680 –> 00:52:44,160
\nAnd he has a good look at her.
\nAnd he says on the day there is <\/p>\n
748
\n00:52:44,160 –> 00:52:47,080
\nso they should surely die.
\nShe wasn’t dead. <\/p>\n
749
\n00:52:47,080 –> 00:52:49,200
\nIn fact, she looked more alive
\nthan she ever looked. <\/p>\n
750
\n00:52:49,840 –> 00:52:52,240
\nOK, she’s bright and rosy and
\npink. <\/p>\n
751
\n00:52:52,720 –> 00:52:55,880
\nOK, She wasn’t dead.
\nShe was well and truly alive. <\/p>\n
752
\n00:52:57,800 –> 00:53:00,480
\nNow obviously don’t you go to
\nsleep it? <\/p>\n
753
\n00:53:00,760 –> 00:53:08,160
\nObviously you had a hard day.
\nObviously the serpent didn’t <\/p>\n
754
\n00:53:08,160 –> 00:53:13,880
\neven try to tempt it, Adam.
\nOK, it took a greater tempter to<\/p>\n
755
\n00:53:14,160 –> 00:53:16,040
\ngive an equal temptation to
\nAdam. <\/p>\n
756
\n00:53:16,240 –> 00:53:20,120
\nIt took the temptation of a
\nwoman that had actually eaten of<\/p>\n
757
\n00:53:20,120 –> 00:53:26,000
\nit, OK, and participated in it,
\nmaking all these lying claims <\/p>\n
758
\n00:53:26,000 –> 00:53:29,600
\nabout it because she’s got an
\nulterior motive and that’s to <\/p>\n
759
\n00:53:29,600 –> 00:53:36,440
\nbring him and she deceives him.
\nAnd you say, well, Timothy’s not<\/p>\n
760
\n00:53:36,440 –> 00:53:41,920
\nsaying that, OK.
\nAnd rather, Thomas says, she <\/p>\n
761
\n00:53:41,920 –> 00:53:45,400
\nsucceeded in kindling the same
\nlust that had taken possession <\/p>\n
762
\n00:53:45,400 –> 00:53:48,760
\nof herself, his flesh, his eyes,
\nand his pride of. <\/p>\n
763
\n00:53:48,760 –> 00:53:52,600
\nLife were all inflamed and he
\nfollowed her and her either way <\/p>\n
764
\n00:53:52,600 –> 00:53:54,280
\nas fools.
\nTo the correction. <\/p>\n
765
\n00:53:54,280 –> 00:53:56,680
\nOf the stock, then it’s the
\nprinciple. <\/p>\n
766
\n00:53:57,160 –> 00:54:01,600
\nThey had both.
\nFallen into unbelief. <\/p>\n
767
\n00:54:03,960 –> 00:54:09,920
\nHe was deceived, you say?
\nOh, Timothy says he wasn’t <\/p>\n
768
\n00:54:09,920 –> 00:54:11,920
\ndeceived.
\nLet’s look at Timothy again. <\/p>\n
769
\n00:54:18,960 –> 00:54:22,360
\nPut on your thinking, Cap.
\nOr his brother Carter would say,<\/p>\n
770
\n00:54:22,680 –> 00:54:26,440
\nget up the lines of girt up your
\nloins ready to run. <\/p>\n
771
\n00:54:26,440 –> 00:54:31,760
\nIn other words, start thinking.
\nOK, just look, just for three <\/p>\n
772
\n00:54:31,760 –> 00:54:38,640
\nminutes, Think ha, You ready?
\nOK, it says verse 14 and Adam <\/p>\n
773
\n00:54:38,640 –> 00:54:46,120
\nwas not deceived by whom?
\nBut the woman being deceived. <\/p>\n
774
\n00:54:46,120 –> 00:54:50,880
\nWho was the woman deceived?
\nBy the serpent, correct? <\/p>\n
775
\n00:54:52,320 –> 00:54:55,600
\nAnd that’s an ellipsis.
\nIt’s not there because you know <\/p>\n
776
\n00:54:55,600 –> 00:54:57,240
\nit, but to.
\nRead. <\/p>\n
777
\n00:54:57,240 –> 00:55:01,680
\nIn ellipsis means a word that’s
\nunderstood to in the meaning, <\/p>\n
778
\n00:55:01,680 –> 00:55:05,680
\nbut it’s not actually air OK.
\nIn other words, the meaning is <\/p>\n
779
\n00:55:05,680 –> 00:55:08,480
\nthe woman was deceived by the
\nserpent. <\/p>\n
780
\n00:55:09,520 –> 00:55:14,120
\nOK.
\nTherefore, the first one reads, <\/p>\n
781
\n00:55:14,320 –> 00:55:21,160
\nAdam was not deceived by the
\nserpent, that the difference he <\/p>\n
782
\n00:55:21,160 –> 00:55:25,000
\nwas deceived by the woman.
\nAnd you say, how do you know <\/p>\n
783
\n00:55:25,000 –> 00:55:26,880
\nthat?
\nBut that’s what it’s saying <\/p>\n
784
\n00:55:26,880 –> 00:55:33,480
\nthere, OK, this we’ve got 3
\nreasons here why the women <\/p>\n
785
\n00:55:33,480 –> 00:55:37,240
\nshould be silent in the
\necclesion being subjection and <\/p>\n
786
\n00:55:37,240 –> 00:55:39,440
\nwhy the man should take the
\nlead. <\/p>\n
787
\n00:55:39,800 –> 00:55:45,520
\nAll right.
\nNow it says she was deceived by <\/p>\n
788
\n00:55:45,520 –> 00:55:48,160
\nthe serpent and she was in the
\ntransgression. <\/p>\n
789
\n00:55:48,160 –> 00:55:49,960
\nThere she is in the
\ntransgression. <\/p>\n
790
\n00:55:50,480 –> 00:55:53,040
\nShe’s deceiving her husband.
\nOK. <\/p>\n
791
\n00:55:54,360 –> 00:55:58,200
\nOK, but do you think of the
\nproposition say the Sunday <\/p>\n
792
\n00:55:58,200 –> 00:56:01,280
\nschool notes are wrong?
\nOh, don’t get me wrong, the <\/p>\n
793
\n00:56:01,280 –> 00:56:03,680
\nSunday school senior notes are
\nwonderful notes. <\/p>\n
794
\n00:56:03,760 –> 00:56:05,800
\nI just disagreed on this point,
\nOK? <\/p>\n
795
\n00:56:06,200 –> 00:56:14,200
\nThey’re wonderful notes.
\nOK, I didn’t get up the lines of<\/p>\n
796
\n00:56:14,200 –> 00:56:15,960
\nmy mind.
\nWhere was I? <\/p>\n
797
\n00:56:16,120 –> 00:56:24,000
\nYeah.
\nOK, so but the proposition of <\/p>\n
798
\n00:56:24,000 –> 00:56:29,920
\nthe notes is she was deceived
\nand therefore she said, in other<\/p>\n
799
\n00:56:29,920 –> 00:56:32,560
\nwords, there’s a bit of an
\nexcuse for her sinning. <\/p>\n
800
\n00:56:33,760 –> 00:56:37,240
\nBut Adam wasn’t deceived, so
\nthere’s no excuse for him. <\/p>\n
801
\n00:56:37,400 –> 00:56:43,200
\nHe went in deliberately and
\ndefied God and transgressed in <\/p>\n
802
\n00:56:43,200 –> 00:56:47,640
\nknowledge and deliverance.
\nNow which one should be leading <\/p>\n
803
\n00:56:47,640 –> 00:56:49,680
\nthe ecclesia?
\nI would say the sisters should <\/p>\n
804
\n00:56:49,680 –> 00:56:51,240
\nbe leading the ecclesia at
\nleast. <\/p>\n
805
\n00:56:51,240 –> 00:56:54,400
\nThey got deceived, got tricked
\ninto transgressing. <\/p>\n
806
\n00:56:55,080 –> 00:56:57,960
\nWhereas if Adam went in there
\nwith his eyes open, deliberately<\/p>\n
807
\n00:56:57,960 –> 00:57:00,440
\ntransgressed, he shouldn’t be
\nleading the meeting. <\/p>\n
808
\n00:57:01,080 –> 00:57:03,400
\nGet the point?
\nCan you follow? <\/p>\n
809
\n00:57:03,400 –> 00:57:08,680
\nThat reasoning, therefore it
\ncan’t be meaning that he wasn’t <\/p>\n
810
\n00:57:08,680 –> 00:57:10,880
\ndeceived.
\nHe was deceived the right, but <\/p>\n
811
\n00:57:10,880 –> 00:57:13,760
\nhe’s deceived with something far
\ngreater than a serpent. <\/p>\n
812
\n00:57:14,320 –> 00:57:21,080
\nHe’s deceived by his wife.
\nAnd because she was more readily<\/p>\n
813
\n00:57:21,080 –> 00:57:25,600
\ndeceived by a servant, more
\nreadily deceived, and because <\/p>\n
814
\n00:57:25,600 –> 00:57:28,880
\nshe was involved in that
\ntransgression, she was relevant.<\/p>\n
815
\n00:57:28,880 –> 00:57:32,880
\nBefore she was equal with Adam,
\nshe was relegated to the <\/p>\n
816
\n00:57:32,880 –> 00:57:44,460
\nposition of subservience.
\nAll right, So when they noticed <\/p>\n
817
\n00:57:44,460 –> 00:57:49,680
\nthe process here.
\nThat’s the process. <\/p>\n
818
\n00:57:49,720 –> 00:57:53,640
\nIdeas are put.
\nThey ignore the moral issues. <\/p>\n
819
\n00:57:53,640 –> 00:57:56,120
\nThey blank out the moral
\nresponsibilities. <\/p>\n
820
\n00:57:56,120 –> 00:57:59,760
\nThat’s what they choose to do.
\nAnd it leads to unbelief. <\/p>\n
821
\n00:58:00,520 –> 00:58:03,440
\nUnbelief leads to excited lusts
\nin both of them. <\/p>\n
822
\n00:58:03,720 –> 00:58:09,640
\nOK, not just in the all right
\nand that leads to transgression <\/p>\n
823
\n00:58:09,640 –> 00:58:13,160
\nand transgression brings its
\npunishments and consequences, <\/p>\n
824
\n00:58:13,320 –> 00:58:16,840
\nnatural consequences and imposed
\nconsequences. <\/p>\n
825
\n00:58:17,440 –> 00:58:20,920
\nOK, they.
\nThey’re and the fact that they <\/p>\n
826
\n00:58:20,920 –> 00:58:23,800
\nare now we’re aware of their
\nnakedness. <\/p>\n
827
\n00:58:24,200 –> 00:58:27,840
\nThis aware of their nakedness is
\na great flag. <\/p>\n
828
\n00:58:27,840 –> 00:58:31,160
\nA flag is someone waving trying
\nto attract their attention. <\/p>\n
829
\n00:58:31,520 –> 00:58:33,400
\nSo it’s trying to attract their
\nattention. <\/p>\n
830
\n00:58:33,640 –> 00:58:38,200
\nIt’s saying in delicate way,
\nsaying in a delicate way that <\/p>\n
831
\n00:58:38,280 –> 00:58:41,840
\ncertain of their propensities
\nwere not certain of all of them <\/p>\n
832
\n00:58:41,880 –> 00:58:44,480
\nwere awakened.
\nBut it picks on the section of <\/p>\n
833
\n00:58:44,480 –> 00:58:47,400
\npropensity because that’s
\nsomething easily understood, but<\/p>\n
834
\n00:58:47,400 –> 00:58:52,360
\nonly picks on that and uses them
\nas a flag as saying the lust, <\/p>\n
835
\n00:58:52,360 –> 00:58:56,000
\nthe flesh, the lust they are and
\nthe pride of life, which isn’t <\/p>\n
836
\n00:58:56,000 –> 00:59:01,000
\nso visible.
\nOK, very invisible are all <\/p>\n
837
\n00:59:01,080 –> 00:59:06,400
\naffected by this.
\nThey’ve chosen to follow serpent<\/p>\n
838
\n00:59:06,400 –> 00:59:10,360
\nthinking.
\nWe, they’re, their propensities <\/p>\n
839
\n00:59:10,360 –> 00:59:14,360
\nare now in flying to a point
\nwhere they virtually are slave <\/p>\n
840
\n00:59:14,360 –> 00:59:17,360
\nto them to a certain extent.
\nThey don’t need an external <\/p>\n
841
\n00:59:17,360 –> 00:59:19,200
\ntempter anymore.
\nThey’ll get plenty of external <\/p>\n
842
\n00:59:19,200 –> 00:59:20,640
\ntemptation.
\nThey don’t need it. <\/p>\n
843
\n00:59:20,640 –> 00:59:21,800
\nYou can get it from within
\nthere. <\/p>\n
844
\n00:59:21,800 –> 00:59:23,440
\nWe all know that from
\nexperience. <\/p>\n
845
\n00:59:23,840 –> 00:59:30,480
\nOK, so it was a great flag.
\nI mean when children get around,<\/p>\n
846
\n00:59:30,480 –> 00:59:33,360
\n2 year olds get around under the
\nhouse, the boys, the little boys<\/p>\n
847
\n00:59:33,360 –> 00:59:36,240
\nand girls with nothing on, it’s
\na sign of innocence. <\/p>\n
848
\n00:59:36,560 –> 00:59:39,520
\nBut when adults do that, it’s a
\nsign of the very opposite, isn’t<\/p>\n
849
\n00:59:39,520 –> 00:59:41,840
\nit?
\nOK. <\/p>\n
850
\n00:59:46,960 –> 00:59:55,800
\nSo of course Romans 5 and many
\nplaces tell us we inherit these <\/p>\n
851
\n00:59:55,800 –> 01:00:01,440
\nproblems from Adam.
\nOK, here’s Adam and Eve and we <\/p>\n
852
\n01:00:01,440 –> 01:00:04,400
\ninherit and inflamed
\npropensities when we come to <\/p>\n
853
\n01:00:04,720 –> 01:00:07,920
\npuberty.
\nThose things are enhanced in our<\/p>\n
854
\n01:00:07,920 –> 01:00:11,120
\nminds.
\nThe worst of them is the pride <\/p>\n
855
\n01:00:11,120 –> 01:00:14,280
\nof life.
\nI think God Forgives a lot of <\/p>\n
856
\n01:00:14,280 –> 01:00:17,920
\nthings, but he won’t tolerate
\nthe pride of life. <\/p>\n
857
\n01:00:17,920 –> 01:00:20,840
\nHe’ll have no flesh glory in his
\npresence and the. <\/p>\n
858
\n01:00:20,840 –> 01:00:24,120
\nPride of life is far bigger
\nproblem than the other problems,<\/p>\n
859
\n01:00:25,040 –> 01:00:29,320
\nfar bigger, and they’re more
\nsubtle and we’re less aware of <\/p>\n
860
\n01:00:29,920 –> 01:00:31,800
\nher.
\nExtremely difficult. <\/p>\n
861
\n01:00:31,800 –> 01:00:35,160
\nProblem.
\nThe pride of life is a terrible <\/p>\n
862
\n01:00:35,160 –> 01:00:43,040
\nthing.
\nSo did anyone got any problems <\/p>\n
863
\n01:00:43,040 –> 01:00:45,040
\non what we put to you about
\nTimothy? <\/p>\n
864
\n01:00:45,040 –> 01:00:49,920
\nThere was any questions on that
\nor could you follow my arguments<\/p>\n
865
\n01:00:49,920 –> 01:00:54,480
\nthere?
\nNo, never mind. <\/p>\n
866
\n01:00:55,600 –> 01:01:01,280
\nOK, so let’s go to Romans 5 and
\njust check those verses In <\/p>\n
867
\n01:01:01,440 –> 01:01:06,200
\nRomans chapter 5 says what we
\ninherit from Adam and and Eve. <\/p>\n
868
\n01:01:11,710 –> 01:01:16,190
\nOh, time’s gone.
\nSorry to tell you, brother <\/p>\n
869
\n01:01:16,190 –> 01:01:17,590
\nChairman, but I forgot to tell
\nyou. <\/p>\n
870
\n01:01:17,590 –> 01:01:20,630
\nYou’re supposed to go like that
\n5 minutes ago. <\/p>\n
871
\n01:01:21,470 –> 01:01:24,310
\nWe’re sorry.
\nWe’ll take it up there on the <\/p>\n
872
\n01:01:24,310 –> 01:01:25,350
\nnext occasion.\n<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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