Class 6 from this series was used in GCT Episode 329.<\/p>\n
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\namazing subject of the wise
\ncounsel and the correction in <\/p>\n
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\nthe book of Proverbs.
\nSo today we’re going to start <\/p>\n
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\nmoving from the book of Proverbs
\nin regards to understanding it, <\/p>\n
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\nto putting it into practice,
\ninto the wisdom that is in its <\/p>\n
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\npages.
\nToday we’re going to be looking <\/p>\n
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\nat the subject of God’s
\ncorrection and the accessing of <\/p>\n
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\nwise counsel.
\nNow I’m sure, brothers and <\/p>\n
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\nsisters, as you all sit there
\ntoday, that many of us, if not <\/p>\n
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\nall of us, are carrying many
\nburdens. <\/p>\n
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\nWe’ve come here as an oasis for
\nthe week from all sorts of <\/p>\n
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\npressures and stresses and
\nburdens that we are facing and <\/p>\n
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\ncarrying, and we will go home in
\na few days and we will have to <\/p>\n
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\nface those and carry those
\nagain. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd I do know that there’s a
\nhuge amount of suffering. <\/p>\n
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\nNow Cindy and I have travelled a
\nlot this year, and everywhere, <\/p>\n
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\nbrethren and sisters, are
\nsuffering. <\/p>\n
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\nFor some, it’s ecclesial turmoil
\nand tension. <\/p>\n
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\nFor some of us, we are mourning
\nthe loss of a loved one. <\/p>\n
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\nSome of us are experiencing
\nfinancial pressures. <\/p>\n
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\nSome grappling with
\nrelationships that are broken. <\/p>\n
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\nSome feeling a deep loss of
\npurpose in life. <\/p>\n
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\nFor some, it’s the burdens of
\nold age, where we can’t sleep. <\/p>\n
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\nWe get tired.
\nWe get pain. <\/p>\n
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\nSome of our faculties and our
\ncapabilities are a shadow of <\/p>\n
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\nwhat they once were.
\nSome of us hold deep fears, a <\/p>\n
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\ndeep worry for the suffering of
\nothers that we love, but we <\/p>\n
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\ncan’t do anything about it but
\npray and hope. <\/p>\n
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\nSome feel that they’re losing
\ntheir battle against sin. <\/p>\n
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\nSome are struggling with trust,
\na vital, essential foundation to<\/p>\n
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\nall of our relationships.
\nHard to build, easy to lose. <\/p>\n
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\nFor some, it’s physical health.
\nWe’re experiencing pain. <\/p>\n
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\nWe’re just tired.
\nFor some, it’s traumas of the <\/p>\n
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\npast that just return and haunt
\nus. <\/p>\n
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\nFor some, it’s mental health,
\nwhere there are real clinical <\/p>\n
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\nanxiety and grapples with
\ndepression. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd in all of them, we ask the
\nquestion, why? <\/p>\n
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\nWhy me?
\nWhy them? <\/p>\n
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\nWhy?
\nNow, we know the answer, don’t <\/p>\n
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\nwe?
\nGod knows what he’s doing. <\/p>\n
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\nThere’s a bigger picture.
\nWe’re all learning. <\/p>\n
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\nWe must trust.
\nBut still we ask, why? <\/p>\n
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\nNow, I can’t give you any
\nspecific answer to that question<\/p>\n
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\nthis morning, brothers and
\nsisters, except this. <\/p>\n
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\nIt is because our Heavenly
\nFather is chasing us as his <\/p>\n
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\nchildren and his son.
\nNot punishing us. <\/p>\n
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\nNot punishing us.
\nChastening us. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd to unlock the book of
\nProverbs is to unlock the <\/p>\n
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\npurpose and the power of the
\nFather’s chastening in the life <\/p>\n
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\nof his children.
\nSo this morning, God is going to<\/p>\n
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\nprovide us some level of
\ncomfort, some encouragement, <\/p>\n
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\nsome hope, some lifting up of
\nhands that hang down, some <\/p>\n
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\nstrengthening of knees that are
\nfeeble. <\/p>\n
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\nBecause he wrote this book, the
\nFather, for his son to explain <\/p>\n
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\nto him the process of
\nchastening. <\/p>\n
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\nNow, come with me to Hebrews
\nchapter 12 that we began our <\/p>\n
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\nstudies with, one of our keys,
\nwhere Hebrews chapter 12 quotes <\/p>\n
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\nthe book of Proverbs and
\nexplains to us that it’s a book <\/p>\n
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\nabout chastening, the chastening
\nof the son by the father. <\/p>\n
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\nSo let’s just remind ourselves
\nof that in Hebrews chapter 12 <\/p>\n
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\nand verse 3, where the writer of
\nHebrews says, consider him, that<\/p>\n
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\nis, consider the Lord Jesus
\nChrist and his sufferings in his<\/p>\n
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\nlife and on that cross, who
\nendured such contradiction of <\/p>\n
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\nsinners against himself.
\nConsider that, lest you be <\/p>\n
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\nwearied and faint in your own
\nminds. <\/p>\n
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\nSo he’s saying to us that one of
\nour keys to not being wearied, <\/p>\n
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\nto not being faint in our minds
\nas we confront whatever those <\/p>\n
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\nsufferings are in our life, we
\nconsider him. <\/p>\n
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\nFor verse 4, you have not yet
\nresisted unto blood, striving <\/p>\n
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\nagainst him, as our Lord did.
\nAnd verse 5, you have forgotten <\/p>\n
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\nthe exhortation which speaks to
\nyou as to children, my son, and <\/p>\n
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\nhe quotes the book of Proverbs,
\ndespise not the chastening of <\/p>\n
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\nthe Lord, nor faint when thou
\nart rebuked of him. <\/p>\n
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\nFor whom the Lord loves, that’s
\nhis motivation, he chastens and <\/p>\n
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\nscourgeth every son whom he
\nreceives. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd if you endure, so chastening
\nwill require endurance. <\/p>\n
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\nIt will go on and on and on.
\nIf you endure, God is dealing <\/p>\n
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\nwith you as with his son and all
\nof us as children in that son. <\/p>\n
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\nFor what son or child is that he
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\nnot?
\nBut if you be without <\/p>\n
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\nchastisement, whereof all are
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\nthen you are illegitimate.
\nYou are not his sons. <\/p>\n
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\nFurthermore, we have had fathers
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\nand we gave them reverence.
\nShall we not much rather be in <\/p>\n
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\nsubjection, lest the spirit of
\nthe son and acceptance of the <\/p>\n
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\nchastening of the father of
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\nFor they, verily, for a few days
\nchastened us after their own <\/p>\n
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\nBut God, for our profit, that we<\/p>\n
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\nThere’s his reason for the
\nchastening for us in our <\/p>\n
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\nsufferings.
\nNow, no chastening for the <\/p>\n
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\npresent time seemeth to be
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\nWherefore, because of all of <\/p>\n
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\nthe end to the chastening, lift
\nup your hands which hang down <\/p>\n
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\nand the feeble knees and make
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\nSo that’s the purpose and the
\noutline of chastening for us in <\/p>\n
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\nHebrews.
\nBut it directs us to the book of<\/p>\n
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\nProverbs.
\nOf all the books of the <\/p>\n
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\nscripture to say, that’s where
\nyou’ll find the principles of <\/p>\n
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\nthe chastening of the father to
\nthe son set out. <\/p>\n
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\nSo what we find then in the book
\nof Proverbs, in our first study,<\/p>\n
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\nis that our first key is to
\nunderstand that it’s the words <\/p>\n
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\nof the father to the son.
\nWe need to read it like that. <\/p>\n
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\nWe need to understand it like
\nthat. <\/p>\n
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\nWe need to see that the father
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\ndiscern between good and evil so<\/p>\n
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\nthat he can participate by the
\nfather in a process of <\/p>\n
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\ncorrection and chastening.
\nWe saw in that relationship it’s<\/p>\n
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\nfundamentally related to the
\nDavidic covenant. <\/p>\n
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\nI will be his father, he shall
\nbe my son, and I will chasten <\/p>\n
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\nhim.
\nAnd so the book of Proverbs will<\/p>\n
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\nshow us the process of
\ncorrection. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd it all revolves around these
\ntwo key terms, these two key <\/p>\n
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\nwords there.
\nThe term musor, chastening of <\/p>\n
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\ninstruction over 35 times.
\nTokicha over 26 times, <\/p>\n
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\ncorrection and reproof.
\nSo it’s a book of chastening and<\/p>\n
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\ncorrection.
\nSo today our focus is going to <\/p>\n
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\nbe on this particular subject,
\non the correction, on the <\/p>\n
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\nchastening, on the reproof, on
\nthe counsel, on the advice of <\/p>\n
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\nthe father to the son and to us,
\nhis children, as it’s set out in<\/p>\n
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\nthis book of Proverbs.
\nNow we’ve been looking at the <\/p>\n
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\nfact that the concept of
\ncomprehension, understanding, is<\/p>\n
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\ntaking a complex thing and <\/p>\n
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\nbreaking it into its past,
\nseparating it mentally or <\/p>\n
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\nputting it back together to
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\nunderstanding.
\nSo it all begins with the <\/p>\n
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\nbuilding blocks.
\nAnd we saw in our study <\/p>\n
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\nyesterday that from chapter 10,
\nas we’ve just read through, <\/p>\n
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\nthere are all these little
\ncouplets and they’re all the <\/p>\n
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\ncomponents, if you like.
\nThe base level, the first step <\/p>\n
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\nand two ideas are put together
\nto create comprehension and <\/p>\n
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\nunderstanding and how they layer
\non top of each other right the <\/p>\n
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\nway through the scripture until
\nwe create this incredible and <\/p>\n
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\nglorious apocalypse revealing of
\nJesus Christ and revelation, <\/p>\n
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\nwhere it’s a tumble and an
\navalanche of biblical concepts <\/p>\n
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\nand principles and ideas.
\nSo the book of Proverbs is a <\/p>\n
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\ntraining ground.
\nIt’s teaching us how to <\/p>\n
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\nunderstand the father’s words,
\nhow to engage with him, how to <\/p>\n
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\nunderstand good and evil and
\ndiscern between the two and <\/p>\n
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\nchoose good and reject evil, how
\nto participate with the father <\/p>\n
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\nin our lives as he corrects us,
\nchastens us, reproves us, gives <\/p>\n
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\nus counsel and advice.
\nSo here are all the key terms, <\/p>\n
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\nand there’s a bunch of them that
\noccur in the book of Proverbs. <\/p>\n
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\nWe’re not going to go through
\nthem in detail, but here they <\/p>\n
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\nare.
\nThere’s the term reproof or <\/p>\n
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\ncorrection from tukicha.
\nIt’s from the root verb to be <\/p>\n
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\nright as opposed to to be wrong,
\nthe wicked. <\/p>\n
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\nAnd so chastening, correction,
\nis associated with the idea in <\/p>\n
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\nGod’s mind, the father’s mind,
\nwith his principles of right and<\/p>\n
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\ntherefore righteousness because
\nit’s true and it’s right. <\/p>\n
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\nSo chastening is about
\nrecognizing the right of God. <\/p>\n
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\nWhat is true?
\nWhat is beautiful? <\/p>\n
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\nWhat is the good?
\nWhat is right? <\/p>\n
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\nWe also have this term morsor.
\nIt’s from a root verb, yasir, <\/p>\n
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\nwhich means to chastise.
\nAnd that is a telling off. <\/p>\n
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\nIt’s you’re doing wrong there.
\nThat is wrong. <\/p>\n
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\nYou need to change.
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\nBecause if you do that, you <\/p>\n
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\n00:22:01,284 –> 00:22:03,840
\ncan’t access that as the manner
\nof some is. <\/p>\n
339
\n00:22:03,980 –> 00:22:07,525
\nBut exhorting one another that
\nyou can only do if you connect <\/p>\n
340
\n00:22:07,525 –> 00:22:10,180
\nand you are in relationships
\nwith those around you. <\/p>\n
341
\n00:22:10,180 –> 00:22:12,560
\nAnd so much the more as you see
\nthe day approaching. <\/p>\n
342
\n00:22:12,700 –> 00:22:16,440
\nOr James 5, 90 to 20.
\nBrethren, if any of you err from<\/p>\n
343
\n00:22:16,440 –> 00:22:20,340
\nthe truth and one convert and
\nknow that he which converts the <\/p>\n
344
\n00:22:20,340 –> 00:22:24,565
\nsinner from his error shall save
\na soul from death and hide a <\/p>\n
345
\n00:22:24,565 –> 00:22:27,960
\nmultitude of sins.
\nForgiveness is the drive. <\/p>\n
346
\n00:22:27,960 –> 00:22:30,700
\nNot judgment.
\nNot condemnation. <\/p>\n
347
\n00:22:31,980 –> 00:22:35,514
\nSo there is correction available
\nto us in the Father’s wisdom <\/p>\n
348
\n00:22:35,514 –> 00:22:37,440
\nthrough our interactions with
\neach other. <\/p>\n
349
\n00:22:38,740 –> 00:22:42,964
\nSo as we go through the book of
\nProverbs, what you’ll see <\/p>\n
350
\n00:22:42,964 –> 00:22:47,892
\nemerging is that one of the key
\ntraits of the son, of the wise, <\/p>\n
351
\n00:22:47,892 –> 00:22:50,356
\nis their characteristic of
\nconstantly seeking to <\/p>\n
352
\n00:22:50,356 –> 00:22:53,937
\nspiritually improve.
\nThey submit to the hand of God’s<\/p>\n
353
\n00:22:53,937 –> 00:22:58,654
\nchastening as the son.
\nThey will listen and they will <\/p>\n
354
\n00:22:58,654 –> 00:23:02,932
\ntake on words of correction and
\nreproof because they want to <\/p>\n
355
\n00:23:02,932 –> 00:23:06,614
\nimprove.
\nThey are experts and they grow <\/p>\n
356
\n00:23:06,614 –> 00:23:11,281
\nthe ability to give wise counsel
\nto others and to receive it from<\/p>\n
357
\n00:23:11,281 –> 00:23:14,680
\nothers.
\nThe wise seek the knowledge and <\/p>\n
358
\n00:23:14,680 –> 00:23:17,920
\nunderstanding wisdom of good and
\nevil so they can refuse the evil<\/p>\n
359
\n00:23:17,920 –> 00:23:20,904
\nand choose the good.
\nAnd they understand that <\/p>\n
360
\n00:23:20,904 –> 00:23:25,185
\ncorrection and chastening is a
\nfundamental part of that <\/p>\n
361
\n00:23:25,185 –> 00:23:28,680
\nprocess.
\nAs we go through the book of the<\/p>\n
362
\n00:23:28,680 –> 00:23:31,300
\nProverbs, we will find that the
\nfools won’t receive counsel. <\/p>\n
363
\n00:23:31,440 –> 00:23:33,580
\nThey hate counsel.
\nThey hate correction. <\/p>\n
364
\n00:23:34,040 –> 00:23:38,125
\nOn the screen, Proverbs 1, 25.
\nThe woman wisdom, as she’s <\/p>\n
365
\n00:23:38,125 –> 00:23:41,418
\ncrying out to the nation, says,
\nYou set at naught all my <\/p>\n
366
\n00:23:41,418 –> 00:23:43,640
\ncounsel.
\nYou’re none of my reproof. <\/p>\n
367
\n00:23:44,240 –> 00:23:48,581
\nChapter 5, verse 12.
\nAt the end of a process, the <\/p>\n
368
\n00:23:48,581 –> 00:23:54,450
\nwriter in the book of Proverbs
\nsays, I failed to apply the <\/p>\n
369
\n00:23:54,450 –> 00:23:57,200
\nprinciples.
\nI chose the evil, not the good. <\/p>\n
370
\n00:23:57,480 –> 00:24:01,480
\nAnd in the end I said, Why have
\nI ended up in this mess? <\/p>\n
371
\n00:24:02,080 –> 00:24:07,100
\nBecause I hated instruction.
\nMy heart despised reproof. <\/p>\n
372
\n00:24:07,680 –> 00:24:10,780
\nI’ve not obeyed the voice of my
\nteachers. <\/p>\n
373
\n00:24:11,120 –> 00:24:14,720
\nI didn’t incline my ear to the
\nones who instructed me. <\/p>\n
374
\n00:24:14,720 –> 00:24:17,980
\nSo fools don’t receive counsel.
\nThat’s their trait. <\/p>\n
375
\n00:24:18,060 –> 00:24:22,704
\nBut the wise will.
\nThis is the attitude of the wise<\/p>\n
376
\n00:24:22,704 –> 00:24:25,180
\nto counsel instruction.
\nProverbs 4, verse 13. <\/p>\n
377
\n00:24:25,360 –> 00:24:28,140
\nTake fast hold of instruction.
\nDon’t let her go. <\/p>\n
378
\n00:24:28,280 –> 00:24:29,720
\nKeep her.
\nShe’s your life. <\/p>\n
379
\n00:24:32,540 –> 00:24:35,040
\nSo the holding and the
\nacceptance of instruction, <\/p>\n
380
\n00:24:36,040 –> 00:24:39,336
\nengaging the process of
\ncorrection and chastening with <\/p>\n
381
\n00:24:39,336 –> 00:24:43,642
\nthe Father, is something we
\nshould take fast hold of because<\/p>\n
382
\n00:24:43,642 –> 00:24:46,780
\nit’s our life.
\nProverbs 9, verse 9. <\/p>\n
383
\n00:24:47,280 –> 00:24:50,620
\nGive instruction to a wise man
\nand he’ll be yet wiser. <\/p>\n
384
\n00:24:50,800 –> 00:24:54,438
\nYou see the trait of the wise?
\nYou give instruction to a wise <\/p>\n
385
\n00:24:54,438 –> 00:24:57,320
\nperson, they take it on board.
\nThey become wiser. <\/p>\n
386
\n00:24:58,360 –> 00:25:03,480
\nTeach a just, that’s our term,
\nright, righteous, a right man. <\/p>\n
387
\n00:25:03,480 –> 00:25:06,360
\nAnd he will increase in
\nlearning. <\/p>\n
388
\n00:25:06,800 –> 00:25:09,735
\nYou see the spirit and the
\nattitude of the wise and of the <\/p>\n
389
\n00:25:09,735 –> 00:25:12,500
\nright?
\nThey increase in their learning <\/p>\n
390
\n00:25:12,500 –> 00:25:16,252
\nbecause they’re taking on board
\nthe wisdom and the learning and <\/p>\n
391
\n00:25:16,252 –> 00:25:19,840
\nthe teaching of others, of the
\nFather, and their engagement in <\/p>\n
392
\n00:25:19,840 –> 00:25:21,580
\nthat process.
\nProverbs 9, verse 20. <\/p>\n
393
\n00:25:21,960 –> 00:25:25,305
\nHear counsel, receive
\ninstruction, that you will be <\/p>\n
394
\n00:25:25,305 –> 00:25:29,135
\nwise in your latter end.
\nSo the end result of attaining <\/p>\n
395
\n00:25:29,135 –> 00:25:31,700
\nwisdom, knowledge,
\nunderstanding, and practice in <\/p>\n
396
\n00:25:31,700 –> 00:25:35,940
\nour lives, the choosing of the
\ngood, the rejecting of the evil,<\/p>\n
397
\n00:25:36,460 –> 00:25:40,174
\nis a result of us hearing
\ncounsel and receiving <\/p>\n
398
\n00:25:40,174 –> 00:25:45,198
\ninstruction.
\nWise counsel is important in <\/p>\n
399
\n00:25:45,198 –> 00:25:50,520
\necclesial life, says Proverbs.
\nProverbs 5, verse 15, verse 22. <\/p>\n
400
\n00:25:50,880 –> 00:25:55,431
\nWithout counsel, purposes are
\ndisappointed, but in the <\/p>\n
401
\n00:25:55,431 –> 00:25:58,300
\nmultitude of counselors, they
\nare established. <\/p>\n
402
\n00:26:00,000 –> 00:26:03,710
\nSo well-run ecclesiastes tap
\ninto the principle of seeking <\/p>\n
403
\n00:26:03,710 –> 00:26:09,060
\nthe counsel, the correction, the
\nideas of others, so they can <\/p>\n
404
\n00:26:09,060 –> 00:26:11,460
\nestablish through a multitude of
\ncounsel. <\/p>\n
405
\n00:26:12,220 –> 00:26:15,736
\nAnd this is a sub-theme now that
\nstarts to come out of the idea <\/p>\n
406
\n00:26:15,736 –> 00:26:20,460
\nof instruction and correction,
\nthat the wise provide counsel. <\/p>\n
407
\n00:26:21,540 –> 00:26:24,940
\nThey receive counsel.
\nProverbs 11, verse 14. <\/p>\n
408
\n00:26:25,060 –> 00:26:28,950
\nWhere no counsel is, the people
\nfall, but in the multitude of <\/p>\n
409
\n00:26:28,950 –> 00:26:33,960
\ncounselors, there is safety.
\nOr Proverbs 20, verse 18. <\/p>\n
410
\n00:26:34,400 –> 00:26:38,640
\nPlans are established by
\ncounsel, and by wise counsel, <\/p>\n
411
\n00:26:38,740 –> 00:26:40,944
\nthey wage war.
\nAnd we all know, don’t we, that <\/p>\n
412
\n00:26:40,944 –> 00:26:43,920
\nwe’re involved in a war.
\nWe’re fighting collectively and <\/p>\n
413
\n00:26:43,920 –> 00:26:47,614
\nindividually against sin.
\nAnd it says, well, plans against<\/p>\n
414
\n00:26:47,614 –> 00:26:52,578
\nsin are established by wise
\ncounsel, and the waging of war <\/p>\n
415
\n00:26:52,578 –> 00:26:57,452
\nin ecclesias, and in lives and
\nin families, is done by wise <\/p>\n
416
\n00:26:57,452 –> 00:26:58,920
\ncounsel, says the book of
\nProverbs. <\/p>\n
417
\n00:26:58,920 –> 00:27:04,960
\nYou will find wise counsel at
\nthe heart of good friendships, <\/p>\n
418
\n00:27:04,960 –> 00:27:09,420
\nsays Proverbs 27, verse 9.
\nOintment and perfume, rejoice <\/p>\n
419
\n00:27:09,420 –> 00:27:14,154
\nthe heart, so does the sweetness
\nof a man’s friend by hearty <\/p>\n
420
\n00:27:14,154 –> 00:27:16,160
\ncounsel, that is, counsel from
\nthe heart. <\/p>\n
421
\n00:27:16,860 –> 00:27:22,914
\nSo in a good friendship and
\nrelationship, counsel is <\/p>\n
422
\n00:27:22,914 –> 00:27:25,000
\nsweetness, says the book of
\nProverbs. <\/p>\n
423
\n00:27:25,000 –> 00:27:29,228
\nAnd finally, in Proverbs 20,
\nverse 5, and we’re just skimming<\/p>\n
424
\n00:27:29,228 –> 00:27:31,656
\nthrough a whole lot of these,
\nbut hopefully now, we’re putting<\/p>\n
425
\n00:27:31,656 –> 00:27:36,287
\nthe ideas together and getting a
\npicture of wise counsel as an <\/p>\n
426
\n00:27:36,287 –> 00:27:39,874
\naspect of the correcting and
\neducation and instruction <\/p>\n
427
\n00:27:39,874 –> 00:27:42,380
\nprocess that God’s made
\navailable for us. <\/p>\n
428
\n00:27:43,200 –> 00:27:46,565
\nNot only does he instruct us
\nthrough his word as his primary <\/p>\n
429
\n00:27:46,565 –> 00:27:49,720
\nvehicle, but then through the
\ncorrecting and suffering process<\/p>\n
430
\n00:27:49,720 –> 00:27:53,290
\nof our lives, and then providing
\nus a group of counselors around <\/p>\n
431
\n00:27:53,290 –> 00:27:56,720
\nus, all of whom have gaining
\nexperience and knowledge and <\/p>\n
432
\n00:27:56,720 –> 00:27:59,255
\nunderstanding wisdom of
\ndiscernment between good and <\/p>\n
433
\n00:27:59,255 –> 00:28:03,101
\nevil and how to apply it in life
\nthat we can tap into and that we<\/p>\n
434
\n00:28:03,101 –> 00:28:05,800
\ncan contribute to.
\nProverbs 20, verse 5. <\/p>\n
435
\n00:28:05,960 –> 00:28:08,660
\nCounsel in the heart of man is
\nlike deep water. <\/p>\n
436
\n00:28:10,680 –> 00:28:13,860
\nYou’ve got counsel.
\nI’ve got counsel. <\/p>\n
437
\n00:28:14,840 –> 00:28:18,032
\nIt’s all related to a life of
\ninvolvement with the word of <\/p>\n
438
\n00:28:18,032 –> 00:28:21,220
\nGod, of our personal sufferings
\nand experience. <\/p>\n
439
\n00:28:23,460 –> 00:28:25,400
\nBut it’s hidden.
\nIt’s deep. <\/p>\n
440
\n00:28:26,420 –> 00:28:29,350
\nIt needs searching out.
\nAnd a man of understanding taps <\/p>\n
441
\n00:28:29,350 –> 00:28:33,424
\ninto that counsel.
\nSo what I’d like to do is pick <\/p>\n
442
\n00:28:33,424 –> 00:28:38,140
\nup that theme and just for 10 or
\n15 minutes look at the concept <\/p>\n
443
\n00:28:38,140 –> 00:28:42,627
\nof fostering a culture in
\nourselves, in our families, in <\/p>\n
444
\n00:28:42,627 –> 00:28:46,540
\nour ecclesias of wise counsel.
\nKnowing that Heavenly Father has<\/p>\n
445
\n00:28:46,540 –> 00:28:51,034
\nput us together to provide that
\nas one of the three arms, if you<\/p>\n
446
\n00:28:51,034 –> 00:28:55,270
\nlike, of us providing
\ncorrection, instruction, and <\/p>\n
447
\n00:28:55,270 –> 00:28:58,280
\ncounsel, and reproof to his son
\nand to his children. <\/p>\n
448
\n00:28:58,940 –> 00:29:04,500
\nHis word, our suffering guided
\nby God, and brethren and sisters<\/p>\n
449
\n00:29:04,500 –> 00:29:08,800
\naround us.
\nSo here’s all the passages here <\/p>\n
450
\n00:29:08,800 –> 00:29:11,920
\naround the fostering of wise
\ncounsel. <\/p>\n
451
\n00:29:11,920 –> 00:29:14,420
\nYou can look at all those
\nyourself. <\/p>\n
452
\n00:29:14,580 –> 00:29:18,470
\nBut what I’d like to do is just
\nspend a moment where you’re <\/p>\n
453
\n00:29:18,470 –> 00:29:23,768
\ngoing to experience, in just a
\nsmall way, a process of wise <\/p>\n
454
\n00:29:23,768 –> 00:29:26,772
\ncounsel.
\nSo one of the themes of the book<\/p>\n
455
\n00:29:26,772 –> 00:29:29,648
\nof Proverbs is it says that God
\nputs us into ecclesias, it puts <\/p>\n
456
\n00:29:29,648 –> 00:29:33,140
\nus into families, he puts us
\nintersecting each other because <\/p>\n
457
\n00:29:33,140 –> 00:29:38,820
\nit gives a vast, deep well of
\nwise counsel that’s available. <\/p>\n
458
\n00:29:39,860 –> 00:29:44,180
\nAnd wise people are able to tap
\ninto that and become wiser. <\/p>\n
459
\n00:29:45,600 –> 00:29:49,860
\nThose who are wise are experts
\nat providing that counsel into <\/p>\n
460
\n00:29:49,860 –> 00:29:52,660
\nthe well that others might draw
\nupon it. <\/p>\n
461
\n00:29:53,100 –> 00:29:56,414
\nSo our question here is about
\ndeveloping a culture of wise <\/p>\n
462
\n00:29:56,414 –> 00:30:00,680
\ncounsel and availing ourselves
\nof that arm, if you like, of <\/p>\n
463
\n00:30:00,680 –> 00:30:03,967
\ncorrection and instruction that
\nthe Father has provided. and why<\/p>\n
464
\n00:30:03,967 –> 00:30:10,170
\nwouldn’t we want to access that?
\nIf you’re anything like me, I’ve<\/p>\n
465
\n00:30:10,170 –> 00:30:13,752
\nmade a lot of mistakes in life.
\nI’ve also made a lot of good <\/p>\n
466
\n00:30:13,752 –> 00:30:16,514
\ndecisions in life.
\nI’ve experienced lots of <\/p>\n
467
\n00:30:16,514 –> 00:30:20,047
\nconsequences from both.
\nI’m sure that you’ve done the <\/p>\n
468
\n00:30:20,047 –> 00:30:24,195
\nsame and they will be different.
\nWhy wouldn’t I want to know your<\/p>\n
469
\n00:30:24,195 –> 00:30:29,420
\nwisdom, your comprehension, your
\nwarning about where you made a <\/p>\n
470
\n00:30:29,420 –> 00:30:31,080
\nmistake and I might and I want
\nto avoid that? <\/p>\n
471
\n00:30:31,080 –> 00:30:32,760
\nWhy wouldn’t I want to tap into
\nthat? <\/p>\n
472
\n00:30:33,840 –> 00:30:36,820
\nIn fact, if I decided not to,
\nwhat might I be called? <\/p>\n
473
\n00:30:37,940 –> 00:30:40,747
\nA fool.
\nSo it’s powerful, brethren and <\/p>\n
474
\n00:30:40,747 –> 00:30:41,800
\nsisters.
\nI don’t know how many in here, <\/p>\n
475
\n00:30:41,840 –> 00:30:46,860
\n150 brethren and sisters.
\nHow deep is that well of counsel<\/p>\n
476
\n00:30:46,860 –> 00:30:50,040
\nthat’s available to us if we can
\ntap into it? <\/p>\n
477
\n00:30:50,940 –> 00:30:54,034
\nHow much deeper would it be if
\nwe could contribute our own <\/p>\n
478
\n00:30:54,034 –> 00:30:57,790
\nexperience in the word of God
\nand personal suffering and <\/p>\n
479
\n00:30:57,790 –> 00:31:01,847
\nchastening under the Father’s
\nhand and experience of good and <\/p>\n
480
\n00:31:01,847 –> 00:31:05,247
\nof evil?
\nSo it’s a very, very powerful <\/p>\n
481
\n00:31:05,247 –> 00:31:08,880
\nthing that’s available to us if
\nwe develop a culture of wise <\/p>\n
482
\n00:31:08,880 –> 00:31:10,470
\ncounsel.
\nSo this is what we’re going to <\/p>\n
483
\n00:31:10,470 –> 00:31:15,640
\ndo.
\nI’ll give you about seven <\/p>\n
484
\n00:31:15,640 –> 00:31:18,360
\nminutes.
\nJust form a group of two or <\/p>\n
485
\n00:31:18,360 –> 00:31:21,980
\nthree so the person next to you
\nor three people sitting together<\/p>\n
486
\n00:31:21,980 –> 00:31:25,280
\nif there’s someone just maybe
\nthere on their own, maybe four, <\/p>\n
487
\n00:31:25,620 –> 00:31:28,827
\nI’ll allow four but not nine
\nagain, whoever had that group of<\/p>\n
488
\n00:31:28,827 –> 00:31:31,707
\nnine.
\nSo groups of two or three and <\/p>\n
489
\n00:31:31,707 –> 00:31:35,860
\nthe reason for that by the way
\nis that groups of two or three <\/p>\n
490
\n00:31:35,860 –> 00:31:40,880
\neverybody gets to talk.
\nGroups of nine they don’t <\/p>\n
491
\n00:31:40,880 –> 00:31:43,314
\nbecause as soon as you get in a
\ngroup of nine the dynamics <\/p>\n
492
\n00:31:43,314 –> 00:31:45,104
\nchange.
\nSo you’ve probably heard me say <\/p>\n
493
\n00:31:45,104 –> 00:31:48,300
\nthis before but it’s a really
\nuseful way of thinking about it.<\/p>\n
494
\n00:31:48,740 –> 00:31:50,560
\nWe think and we contribute
\ndifferently. <\/p>\n
495
\n00:31:51,260 –> 00:31:53,900
\nIn a general sense we can fall
\ninto two categories. <\/p>\n
496
\n00:31:53,900 –> 00:31:56,680
\nI call them talker thinkers and
\nthinker talkers. <\/p>\n
497
\n00:31:56,840 –> 00:32:00,340
\nSo they’re the people who think
\nby talking. <\/p>\n
498
\n00:32:00,440 –> 00:32:03,380
\nThat is their mode of thinking.
\nThey need to talk to think. <\/p>\n
499
\n00:32:04,520 –> 00:32:08,840
\nNow everybody knows who you are
\neven if you don’t yourself. <\/p>\n
500
\n00:32:10,320 –> 00:32:12,780
\nBut that’s okay.
\nThat’s your mode of thinking. <\/p>\n
501
\n00:32:13,480 –> 00:32:17,740
\nAnd you need space for that.
\nAnd by the way those who do they<\/p>\n
502
\n00:32:17,740 –> 00:32:21,120
\ntend to be very broad.
\nYou’ll go all over subjects. <\/p>\n
503
\n00:32:21,340 –> 00:32:24,980
\nYou’ll explore stuff.
\nSo talker thinkers aren’t <\/p>\n
504
\n00:32:24,980 –> 00:32:27,840
\nnecessarily making a point.
\nThey’re just exploring stuff. <\/p>\n
505
\n00:32:28,700 –> 00:32:32,260
\nThat’s why they go all over the
\nplace and everyone goes what are<\/p>\n
506
\n00:32:32,260 –> 00:32:34,760
\nyou saying?
\nWell no I’m just having fun. <\/p>\n
507
\n00:32:34,840 –> 00:32:41,340
\nGo in places exploring things.
\nWhereas the others they don’t <\/p>\n
508
\n00:32:41,340 –> 00:32:43,380
\ntalk they pause.
\nThey reflect. <\/p>\n
509
\n00:32:43,700 –> 00:32:46,320
\nThey think.
\nThey need to understand things <\/p>\n
510
\n00:32:46,320 –> 00:32:50,320
\nand then they talk at the end.
\nYou get depth out of that. <\/p>\n
511
\n00:32:51,240 –> 00:32:53,600
\nNot real deep thinking.
\nAnd you need both. <\/p>\n
512
\n00:32:53,680 –> 00:32:56,620
\nYou need to explore it all and
\nyou need depth down the sleeves.<\/p>\n
513
\n00:32:57,040 –> 00:32:58,760
\nThe funny stuff is we annoy each
\nother. <\/p>\n
514
\n00:32:59,160 –> 00:33:07,200
\nSo those of you like to think go
\ncan you just close your mouth <\/p>\n
515
\n00:33:07,200 –> 00:33:11,000
\nand let people think like we’ve
\ntalked a lot. <\/p>\n
516
\n00:33:11,580 –> 00:33:14,680
\nAnd the others go why won’t you
\ntalk? <\/p>\n
517
\n00:33:14,760 –> 00:33:16,080
\nYou’re just sitting there not
\ncontributing. <\/p>\n
518
\n00:33:16,540 –> 00:33:18,240
\nSo we’ve got to give each other
\nspace. <\/p>\n
519
\n00:33:18,320 –> 00:33:20,814
\nIf we have two or three you can
\nget the dynamics working that <\/p>\n
520
\n00:33:20,814 –> 00:33:24,040
\nyou can’t in a group in nine.
\nSo it is important to do that. <\/p>\n
521
\n00:33:24,240 –> 00:33:28,050
\nJust be aware of each other and
\nhow we think through information<\/p>\n
522
\n00:33:28,050 –> 00:33:30,040
\nand contribute it.
\nSo here’s the question. <\/p>\n
523
\n00:33:31,400 –> 00:33:34,840
\nYou’re the one with knowledge,
\nunderstanding and wisdom and <\/p>\n
524
\n00:33:34,840 –> 00:33:38,120
\nit’s really useful.
\nSo we’ll assume that it’s good, <\/p>\n
525
\n00:33:38,200 –> 00:33:41,780
\nit’s biblical and correct and
\nit’s really useful to someone <\/p>\n
526
\n00:33:41,780 –> 00:33:43,540
\nelse to help them grow
\nspiritually. <\/p>\n
527
\n00:33:43,800 –> 00:33:46,200
\nSo here we are.
\nWe’ve got wise counsel and <\/p>\n
528
\n00:33:46,200 –> 00:33:49,130
\nsomebody else has a need for it.
\nSo in groups of two or three, <\/p>\n
529
\n00:33:49,130 –> 00:33:54,287
\njust discuss these three points.
\nAnd those who like to talk just <\/p>\n
530
\n00:33:54,287 –> 00:33:57,180
\ngo, oh look, I’ve been talking a
\nlong time, maybe I’ll be quiet. <\/p>\n
531
\n00:33:57,720 –> 00:34:01,930
\nAnd those who like to think then
\ngo, oh here’s my real gem of an <\/p>\n
532
\n00:34:01,930 –> 00:34:04,300
\nidea or a point.
\nSo here’s the three questions. <\/p>\n
533
\n00:34:04,760 –> 00:34:06,020
\nShould you give them that
\ncounsel? <\/p>\n
534
\n00:34:06,400 –> 00:34:10,340
\nWhy?
\nWhat are the three top enablers?<\/p>\n
535
\n00:34:10,480 –> 00:34:13,480
\nThey’re the things that you need
\nto have to be successful at <\/p>\n
536
\n00:34:13,480 –> 00:34:17,170
\ngiving that wise counsel. and
\nwhat are the top three barriers,<\/p>\n
537
\n00:34:17,170 –> 00:34:20,179
\nthe things that stop you being
\nable to do that or be effective?<\/p>\n
538
\n00:34:21,239 –> 00:34:25,520
\nMake sense?
\nAnd what we’re doing is <\/p>\n
539
\n00:34:25,520 –> 00:34:29,260
\nextracting wise counsel.
\nSo we’re just going to do a <\/p>\n
540
\n00:34:29,260 –> 00:34:32,020
\nsmall little example of the
\nprocess of wise counsel. <\/p>\n
541
\n00:34:32,280 –> 00:34:33,800
\nSo I’ll give you seven minutes.
\nGo. <\/p>\n
542
\n00:34:44,860 –> 00:34:48,100
\nOkay, sorry to interrupt all the
\nconversation. <\/p>\n
543
\n00:34:48,320 –> 00:34:50,880
\nWe could probably go on for a
\nlittle while but just stay in <\/p>\n
544
\n00:34:50,880 –> 00:34:54,940
\nyour groups because what we’re
\ngoing to do now is we’re just <\/p>\n
545
\n00:34:54,940 –> 00:34:58,554
\ngoing to flip the perspective.
\nSo I’ll give you another five to<\/p>\n
546
\n00:34:58,554 –> 00:35:01,140
\nseven minutes but this time it’s
\nnot us. <\/p>\n
547
\n00:35:01,720 –> 00:35:05,050
\nSomebody else has knowledge and
\nunderstanding and wisdom that’s <\/p>\n
548
\n00:35:05,050 –> 00:35:08,140
\nreally useful to me.
\nIt’s really useful to you to <\/p>\n
549
\n00:35:08,140 –> 00:35:12,220
\nhelp you grow spiritually.
\nSo talk together about what <\/p>\n
550
\n00:35:12,220 –> 00:35:16,094
\nwould be the top three enablers,
\nso now you’re going to receive <\/p>\n
551
\n00:35:16,094 –> 00:35:20,720
\nit for that being successful, or
\nbarriers to you receiving that. <\/p>\n
552
\n00:35:20,980 –> 00:35:22,460
\nAnd are they the same as the
\nother ones? <\/p>\n
553
\n00:35:22,620 –> 00:35:25,200
\nSo I’ll give you another five to
\nseven minutes to discuss that. <\/p>\n
554
\n00:35:29,440 –> 00:35:31,380
\nAll right, sorry to interrupt
\neveryone. <\/p>\n
555
\n00:35:31,760 –> 00:35:33,860
\nWe’re going to have to bring
\nthat conversation at the end. <\/p>\n
556
\n00:35:33,980 –> 00:35:35,980
\nFeel free to continue it over
\nlunch. <\/p>\n
557
\n00:35:36,840 –> 00:35:41,040
\nIt sounds like there’s quite a
\nfew deep wells of counsel being <\/p>\n
558
\n00:35:41,040 –> 00:35:45,100
\ndipped into and drawing it out
\nby those who understand. <\/p>\n
559
\n00:35:45,800 –> 00:35:48,700
\nSo hopefully that’s been useful
\nexperience just a mini way. <\/p>\n
560
\n00:35:49,580 –> 00:35:50,920
\nThat’s what wise counsel is
\nabout. <\/p>\n
561
\n00:35:51,820 –> 00:35:56,090
\nOthers have experiences.
\nThey’ve been working through the<\/p>\n
562
\n00:35:56,090 –> 00:35:57,400
\nscriptures.
\nThey’ve been working in <\/p>\n
563
\n00:35:57,400 –> 00:36:01,060
\npartnership as a son of the
\nfather, submitting themselves to<\/p>\n
564
\n00:36:01,060 –> 00:36:03,140
\ncorrection.
\nThey’ve been enduring suffering.<\/p>\n
565
\n00:36:03,620 –> 00:36:05,800
\nThey’ve been giving and
\nreceiving wise counsel. <\/p>\n
566
\n00:36:06,380 –> 00:36:08,520
\nThey have deep insights for us
\nto tap into. <\/p>\n
567
\n00:36:09,220 –> 00:36:12,387
\nNow it would be nice now to have
\na big whiteboard and synthesise <\/p>\n
568
\n00:36:12,387 –> 00:36:15,967
\nall of that wise counsel onto a
\nboard and you’ll see that some <\/p>\n
569
\n00:36:15,967 –> 00:36:19,060
\ngroups were repeating the same
\nthemes, others had different and<\/p>\n
570
\n00:36:19,060 –> 00:36:20,940
\nput it all together.
\nWe don’t have time for that. <\/p>\n
571
\n00:36:21,040 –> 00:36:23,940
\nSo what we’ll do again is what
\nwe did the other day. <\/p>\n
572
\n00:36:24,220 –> 00:36:27,180
\nAnd we’re going to put up the
\nresults of that process in other<\/p>\n
573
\n00:36:27,180 –> 00:36:30,390
\nforums and you can have a look
\nand say, oh yeah, we had that <\/p>\n
574
\n00:36:30,390 –> 00:36:33,020
\none or we had some different
\nones that were important and if <\/p>\n
575
\n00:36:33,020 –> 00:36:36,074
\nyou want to come up and see me.
\nI’d love to have your wise <\/p>\n
576
\n00:36:36,074 –> 00:36:39,640
\ncounsel and include it in this
\npresentation if there’s another <\/p>\n
577
\n00:36:39,640 –> 00:36:42,300
\ntime.
\nSo here’s some of the wise <\/p>\n
578
\n00:36:42,300 –> 00:36:43,940
\ncounsel from other brothers and
\nsisters. <\/p>\n
579
\n00:36:46,220 –> 00:36:49,600
\nContext is key.
\nThere has to be a relationship <\/p>\n
580
\n00:36:49,600 –> 00:36:54,780
\nwith trust or you can’t do it.
\nIf you don’t trust the person, <\/p>\n
581
\n00:36:54,940 –> 00:36:57,760
\ntheir counsel is very difficult
\nto receive. <\/p>\n
582
\n00:36:59,220 –> 00:37:02,720
\nIf the person doesn’t trust you,
\nproviding that well counsel is <\/p>\n
583
\n00:37:02,720 –> 00:37:05,720
\nvery difficult to give.
\nTrust has to be there at the <\/p>\n
584
\n00:37:05,720 –> 00:37:08,360
\nheart of relationships before
\nyou can really give and receive <\/p>\n
585
\n00:37:08,360 –> 00:37:10,280
\nwise counsel.
\nYou’ve got to make sure it <\/p>\n
586
\n00:37:10,280 –> 00:37:13,400
\nactually is wise counsel and not
\nunsolicited opinion. <\/p>\n
587
\n00:37:16,780 –> 00:37:18,720
\nAnd it’s really important to
\nknow the difference. <\/p>\n
588
\n00:37:19,600 –> 00:37:23,180
\nAll of us have experienced
\nunsolicited opinion and all of <\/p>\n
589
\n00:37:23,180 –> 00:37:26,590
\nus have given unsolicited
\nopinion that’s not necessarily <\/p>\n
590
\n00:37:26,590 –> 00:37:32,540
\nactually wise counsel.
\nThere needs to be a motivation. <\/p>\n
591
\n00:37:32,760 –> 00:37:35,580
\nWe need to know the person
\ngiving us that wise counsel <\/p>\n
592
\n00:37:35,580 –> 00:37:39,247
\ngenuinely cares about it, loves
\nus, and it’s shown and it’s <\/p>\n
593
\n00:37:39,247 –> 00:37:42,460
\nknown in the way it works.
\nWhen we give that to others, <\/p>\n
594
\n00:37:42,700 –> 00:37:44,720
\nthey need to know that’s our
\nmotivation. <\/p>\n
595
\n00:37:44,940 –> 00:37:46,980
\nIt needs to be known, it needs
\nto be shown. <\/p>\n
596
\n00:37:47,800 –> 00:37:51,060
\nThere’s a context.
\nHumility is needed by both <\/p>\n
597
\n00:37:51,060 –> 00:37:53,980
\nparties.
\nOne to receive it, the other <\/p>\n
598
\n00:37:53,980 –> 00:37:56,680
\nwant to make sure they don’t
\nhave a spirit of superiority in <\/p>\n
599
\n00:37:56,680 –> 00:38:00,680
\nthe giving of it.
\nThis is a really important one. <\/p>\n
600
\n00:38:01,200 –> 00:38:04,180
\nIt needs to be seen as an
\nopportunity to grow and not a <\/p>\n
601
\n00:38:04,180 –> 00:38:05,800
\njudgment.
\nThis is really difficult. <\/p>\n
602
\n00:38:05,800 –> 00:38:08,540
\nNow, I’m not going to ask for a
\nshow of hands, but how many, <\/p>\n
603
\n00:38:08,620 –> 00:38:11,820
\nwhen someone comes up in a
\nparticular way with some wise <\/p>\n
604
\n00:38:11,820 –> 00:38:16,640
\ncounsel and feedback immediately
\ngo, like I do. <\/p>\n
605
\n00:38:18,320 –> 00:38:22,580
\nBecause we are viewing it as a
\njudgment about whether a good or<\/p>\n
606
\n00:38:22,580 –> 00:38:26,080
\nbad person, whatever that might
\nmean, functionally or morally. <\/p>\n
607
\n00:38:27,080 –> 00:38:31,325
\nSo that’s making me a bad person
\nor not successful, and I don’t <\/p>\n
608
\n00:38:31,325 –> 00:38:33,434
\nlike that.
\nIt doesn’t fit my self-image, so<\/p>\n
609
\n00:38:33,434 –> 00:38:36,620
\nI reject it, as opposed to
\nseeing it as an opportunity to <\/p>\n
610
\n00:38:36,620 –> 00:38:39,100
\ngrow.
\nIt’s an important spirit of <\/p>\n
611
\n00:38:39,100 –> 00:38:43,900
\nthose who give and receive.
\nHere’s some more insights of <\/p>\n
612
\n00:38:43,900 –> 00:38:47,987
\nwise counsel from others.
\nIf you don’t have counsel, don’t<\/p>\n
613
\n00:38:47,987 –> 00:38:50,000
\ngive it.
\nIt’s okay to say, I don’t know. <\/p>\n
614
\n00:38:51,120 –> 00:38:53,960
\nDon’t make something up.
\nYou don’t have to. <\/p>\n
615
\n00:38:54,620 –> 00:38:58,134
\nYou can say, I’d like to help,
\nbut I just don’t have any wisdom<\/p>\n
616
\n00:38:58,134 –> 00:39:04,840
\nin that area. helping someone
\nthink, now my children have <\/p>\n
617
\n00:39:04,840 –> 00:39:08,495
\ntaught me this, and my wife,
\nthank you, helping someone think<\/p>\n
618
\n00:39:08,495 –> 00:39:11,080
\ncan be as useful as giving a
\nsolution. <\/p>\n
619
\n00:39:12,820 –> 00:39:14,920
\nRight?
\nSo the wise counsel might <\/p>\n
620
\n00:39:14,920 –> 00:39:17,790
\nactually be in the form of
\nhelping the person think through<\/p>\n
621
\n00:39:17,790 –> 00:39:21,620
\ntheir issue and arriving at
\nsolutions or possible solutions <\/p>\n
622
\n00:39:21,620 –> 00:39:24,460
\nand actions, as opposed to, I
\nheard you, this is what you do. <\/p>\n
623
\n00:39:25,220 –> 00:39:28,020
\nWise counsel might be of that
\nform, and we can see the Lord <\/p>\n
624
\n00:39:28,020 –> 00:39:29,840
\ndoing that through the gospel
\nrecord often. <\/p>\n
625
\n00:39:31,360 –> 00:39:36,340
\nIf we’re outcome driven, we will
\nknow that how we give it is just<\/p>\n
626
\n00:39:36,340 –> 00:39:41,350
\nas important as the content.
\nThere’s no point having good <\/p>\n
627
\n00:39:41,350 –> 00:39:45,007
\ncontent of wise counsel and
\ndelivering it badly, because you<\/p>\n
628
\n00:39:45,007 –> 00:39:48,600
\nwon’t get the outcome.
\nConfidentiality. <\/p>\n
629
\n00:39:50,320 –> 00:39:52,700
\nIf you don’t keep it in
\nconfidence, what do you break? <\/p>\n
630
\n00:39:53,900 –> 00:39:56,720
\nTrust.
\nAnd if you don’t have trust, you<\/p>\n
631
\n00:39:56,720 –> 00:39:59,480
\ndon’t have a relationship in
\nwhich wise counsel be given and <\/p>\n
632
\n00:39:59,480 –> 00:40:02,680
\nreceived.
\nHow often do we break that one? <\/p>\n
633
\n00:40:04,300 –> 00:40:07,640
\nSomeone’s come to us for wise
\ncounsel, been vulnerable and <\/p>\n
634
\n00:40:07,640 –> 00:40:11,220
\ntold us stuff, and we repeat it.
\nTerrible. <\/p>\n
635
\n00:40:13,100 –> 00:40:14,960
\nAnd just remember, the wise
\nweren’t good at it either. <\/p>\n
636
\n00:40:15,080 –> 00:40:20,680
\nThey began pretty poorly, but
\nthey increase in learning, they <\/p>\n
637
\n00:40:20,680 –> 00:40:23,720
\nincrease in their counsel, and
\nthey get better at it. <\/p>\n
638
\n00:40:23,720 –> 00:40:26,140
\nSo that’s some wise counsel from
\nother brothers and sisters. <\/p>\n
639
\n00:40:26,700 –> 00:40:29,140
\nWhen you are the giver, here’s
\nsome enablers. <\/p>\n
640
\n00:40:29,520 –> 00:40:31,320
\nYou have that relationship of
\ntrust. <\/p>\n
641
\n00:40:31,740 –> 00:40:36,087
\nYou actually have permission.
\nThat doesn’t mean to say, do you<\/p>\n
642
\n00:40:36,087 –> 00:40:37,440
\nhave permission?
\nGood, here it is. <\/p>\n
643
\n00:40:38,440 –> 00:40:41,620
\nNo, do they really mentally, are
\nthey switched on and they are <\/p>\n
644
\n00:40:41,620 –> 00:40:44,240
\nopen, giving you permission to
\nprovide that? <\/p>\n
645
\n00:40:45,340 –> 00:40:47,980
\nIs it all about helping them?
\nI’m the giver. <\/p>\n
646
\n00:40:48,060 –> 00:40:53,340
\nIs it really all about them?
\nIs my counsel true, godly? <\/p>\n
647
\n00:40:53,860 –> 00:40:55,580
\nIs it clear?
\nIs it useful? <\/p>\n
648
\n00:40:56,440 –> 00:40:59,620
\nThose are some of the enablers.
\nIf you’ve got others, love to <\/p>\n
649
\n00:40:59,620 –> 00:41:01,880
\nhear them.
\nBarriers, I’m the giver. <\/p>\n
650
\n00:41:02,140 –> 00:41:05,154
\nI’m coming to you.
\nI have some wise counsel that <\/p>\n
651
\n00:41:05,154 –> 00:41:08,970
\nwould be really useful for you
\nspiritually, but is it all about<\/p>\n
652
\n00:41:08,970 –> 00:41:11,240
\nme?
\nI have an agenda here. <\/p>\n
653
\n00:41:11,400 –> 00:41:13,260
\nI’m looking to control you in
\nsome way. <\/p>\n
654
\n00:41:13,840 –> 00:41:17,300
\nI’m looking for recognition.
\nI’m a wise counselor and <\/p>\n
655
\n00:41:17,300 –> 00:41:21,780
\nadvisor, you see. here’s a
\nbarrier. <\/p>\n
656
\n00:41:22,080 –> 00:41:24,650
\nI’ve just got bad style and
\ndelivery and I can’t trust <\/p>\n
657
\n00:41:24,650 –> 00:41:28,140
\nmyself.
\nHowever, one of us don’t provide<\/p>\n
658
\n00:41:28,140 –> 00:41:30,740
\ncounsel because we can’t trust
\nourselves to do it properly. <\/p>\n
659
\n00:41:31,880 –> 00:41:35,220
\nSo the wise develops the ability
\nto be a good giver. <\/p>\n
660
\n00:41:35,280 –> 00:41:38,430
\nWhat about a reaction?
\nI tried it once, they reacted <\/p>\n
661
\n00:41:38,430 –> 00:41:41,220
\nbadly, they just started crying
\nand that always makes me feel <\/p>\n
662
\n00:41:41,220 –> 00:41:42,600
\nuncomfortable.
\nThey’re emotional. <\/p>\n
663
\n00:41:42,720 –> 00:41:46,140
\nWhat do you do about this now?
\nI learned that from my kids as <\/p>\n
664
\n00:41:46,140 –> 00:41:47,380
\nwell.
\nNot my wife. <\/p>\n
665
\n00:41:49,640 –> 00:41:54,230
\nMy kids, you might not like me
\nif I say something and you <\/p>\n
666
\n00:41:54,230 –> 00:41:56,930
\nperceive as negative you won’t
\nlike me and we have these <\/p>\n
667
\n00:41:56,930 –> 00:41:59,320
\nbarriers of fear, don’t we?
\nBut stop us doing it. <\/p>\n
668
\n00:42:00,500 –> 00:42:02,640
\nSo there’s some enablers and
\nbarriers if we’re the giver. <\/p>\n
669
\n00:42:02,820 –> 00:42:03,920
\nWhat about if we’re the
\nreceiver? <\/p>\n
670
\n00:42:04,260 –> 00:42:07,540
\nHere’s again some wisdom of
\ncounsel from others. <\/p>\n
671
\n00:42:10,460 –> 00:42:13,740
\nAn enabler.
\nI trust this person, I know <\/p>\n
672
\n00:42:13,740 –> 00:42:16,710
\nthey’ve got my back, I know they
\nlove me, they care about me, so <\/p>\n
673
\n00:42:16,710 –> 00:42:21,120
\nnow I’m open to receiving.
\nThat counsel’s sensible, it’s <\/p>\n
674
\n00:42:21,120 –> 00:42:26,480
\ntrue, it’s godly, it’s useful.
\nWe all need to develop a filter,<\/p>\n
675
\n00:42:26,580 –> 00:42:27,820
\ndon’t we?
\nBecause we’re going to receive a<\/p>\n
676
\n00:42:27,820 –> 00:42:32,520
\nlot of counsel, wise counsel,
\nunsolicited opinion in life, and<\/p>\n
677
\n00:42:32,520 –> 00:42:35,460
\nwe need a filter.
\nIs it sensible, it’s true, it’s <\/p>\n
678
\n00:42:35,460 –> 00:42:38,240
\ngodly, it’s useful.
\nWe’ve got to make sure that it <\/p>\n
679
\n00:42:38,240 –> 00:42:42,600
\nis when we give and receive it.
\nI’ve got a spirit, I’m seeking <\/p>\n
680
\n00:42:42,600 –> 00:42:44,540
\ncounsel because I want to
\nimprove and grow. <\/p>\n
681
\n00:42:44,700 –> 00:42:47,720
\nI’m not seeing this as some
\nbinary statement about whether <\/p>\n
682
\n00:42:47,720 –> 00:42:50,940
\nI’m a good or bad person,
\nsuccessful or not successful, I <\/p>\n
683
\n00:42:50,940 –> 00:42:52,300
\nactually want to grow and
\nimprove. <\/p>\n
684
\n00:42:53,680 –> 00:42:56,650
\nKey enabler is a good listener,
\nyou’ve got to listen to what’s <\/p>\n
685
\n00:42:56,650 –> 00:43:00,600
\nbeing said.
\nThose talker thinkers find that <\/p>\n
686
\n00:43:00,600 –> 00:43:03,520
\ndifficult, right?
\nYou’ve got to stop and listen <\/p>\n
687
\n00:43:03,520 –> 00:43:06,680
\ncarefully.
\nOr the barriers to being a <\/p>\n
688
\n00:43:06,680 –> 00:43:11,010
\nreceiver of wise counsel, it’s a
\ncriticism, so I’m a good or bad <\/p>\n
689
\n00:43:11,010 –> 00:43:13,160
\nperson, that’s what it’s a
\nstatement about, rather than <\/p>\n
690
\n00:43:13,160 –> 00:43:16,240
\nimprovement.
\nOr the delivery is poor, the <\/p>\n
691
\n00:43:16,240 –> 00:43:19,340
\nwords, tone, body language and
\ncontent when I’m a receiver, it <\/p>\n
692
\n00:43:19,340 –> 00:43:21,740
\njust doesn’t work and it pushes
\nall my wrong buttons. <\/p>\n
693
\n00:43:21,840 –> 00:43:24,800
\nI remember years ago someone who
\nwas wise, not in a collegial <\/p>\n
694
\n00:43:24,800 –> 00:43:28,040
\ncontext, but out in a corporate
\ncontext, said to me, your best <\/p>\n
695
\n00:43:28,040 –> 00:43:30,220
\nfeedback will come from those
\nwho don’t like you. <\/p>\n
696
\n00:43:31,880 –> 00:43:34,527
\nAnd what they meant was, they’ll
\nbe unfiltered, they’ll just say <\/p>\n
697
\n00:43:34,527 –> 00:43:36,860
\nit as it is.
\nBecause all your friends will <\/p>\n
698
\n00:43:36,860 –> 00:43:39,320
\ncouch and hide it and not want
\nto upset you or hurt your <\/p>\n
699
\n00:43:39,320 –> 00:43:42,740
\nfeelings.
\nSo there’s this issue of being <\/p>\n
700
\n00:43:42,740 –> 00:43:46,600
\nable to look past the delivery
\nto understand the content of the<\/p>\n
701
\n00:43:46,600 –> 00:43:48,740
\nfeedback.
\nA wise person can do that <\/p>\n
702
\n00:43:48,740 –> 00:43:50,500
\nregardless of who and how it
\ncomes from. <\/p>\n
703
\n00:43:50,840 –> 00:43:53,980
\nOr I was hurt before, someone
\nhurt me and so I’m all <\/p>\n
704
\n00:43:53,980 –> 00:43:56,710
\ndefensive.
\nSo those are the key in <\/p>\n
705
\n00:43:56,710 –> 00:43:59,007
\nneighbours and barriers other
\nbrethren and sisters have come <\/p>\n
706
\n00:43:59,007 –> 00:44:00,980
\nup with.
\nYou may have some others. <\/p>\n
707
\n00:44:01,880 –> 00:44:04,630
\nSo what do we do with this?
\nWell here’s a suggestion and <\/p>\n
708
\n00:44:04,630 –> 00:44:10,720
\nthis one again is the result of
\nsome wise counsel from others. <\/p>\n
709
\n00:44:10,720 –> 00:44:15,620
\nSo I’m going to have to note,
\nyou’ll be very embarrassed on <\/p>\n
710
\n00:44:15,620 –> 00:44:20,150
\ndoing this, but brother John
\nZhang, so he’s John and Annie <\/p>\n
711
\n00:44:20,150 –> 00:44:23,000
\nhave been to the Bible school in
\nthe past, a Chinese brother and <\/p>\n
712
\n00:44:23,000 –> 00:44:26,220
\nsister who live in Sydney now,
\nand he made this point to me and<\/p>\n
713
\n00:44:26,220 –> 00:44:29,550
\nhe called it circles of
\ninfluence which is a really good<\/p>\n
714
\n00:44:29,550 –> 00:44:32,580
\nidea and I’ll explain it to you.
\nSo here’s me in the middle, so <\/p>\n
715
\n00:44:32,580 –> 00:44:35,060
\nit’s the first time it’s ever
\nallowable to put Yumi in the <\/p>\n
716
\n00:44:35,060 –> 00:44:38,640
\ncentre of anything.
\nThere it is, me, and these are <\/p>\n
717
\n00:44:38,640 –> 00:44:43,300
\nthe people that influence me or
\nthat I influence in life, right?<\/p>\n
718
\n00:44:43,420 –> 00:44:46,680
\nSo the first circle is the
\npeople that I influence a lot in<\/p>\n
719
\n00:44:46,680 –> 00:44:51,220
\nlife and those who influence me
\na lot, then those I influence <\/p>\n
720
\n00:44:51,220 –> 00:44:55,940
\nsometimes or influence me
\nsometimes, and then a little and<\/p>\n
721
\n00:44:55,940 –> 00:44:58,780
\nthen there’s everybody else.
\nAnd if you actually put the <\/p>\n
722
\n00:44:58,780 –> 00:45:01,120
\npeople that you know in this,
\nyou’ll find that there’s a few <\/p>\n
723
\n00:45:01,120 –> 00:45:04,340
\nthat sit in the centre, a few
\nthat sit in the centre, and a <\/p>\n
724
\n00:45:04,340 –> 00:45:08,220
\nfew that sit around sometimes,
\nand our circle that we influence<\/p>\n
725
\n00:45:08,220 –> 00:45:10,600
\nand influence by is actually
\nquite tight and small. <\/p>\n
726
\n00:45:11,640 –> 00:45:15,940
\nNow the point of that is, well
\nif we want to start on this, we <\/p>\n
727
\n00:45:15,940 –> 00:45:18,660
\nshould approach the people who
\nare close to us, people we <\/p>\n
728
\n00:45:18,660 –> 00:45:21,780
\ninfluence a lot, people who
\ninfluence us a lot, and maybe <\/p>\n
729
\n00:45:21,780 –> 00:45:26,440
\nsay I want to be good at giving
\nwise counsel and receiving it, <\/p>\n
730
\n00:45:26,820 –> 00:45:29,660
\nand enter a partnership with
\nthem, say I want to develop this<\/p>\n
731
\n00:45:29,660 –> 00:45:32,360
\nability, I’m not very good at
\nit, but can you help me here, <\/p>\n
732
\n00:45:32,580 –> 00:45:37,130
\nand maybe we start with giving
\nor receiving, just go and ask <\/p>\n
733
\n00:45:37,130 –> 00:45:40,680
\nfor counsel, and we begin like
\nthat, rather the next step of <\/p>\n
734
\n00:45:40,680 –> 00:45:42,500
\ngiving it, that’s a little bit
\nmore difficult. <\/p>\n
735
\n00:45:45,300 –> 00:45:48,810
\nSo we can put this into practice
\nquite quickly, but we’re getting<\/p>\n
736
\n00:45:48,810 –> 00:45:53,100
\nto develop a culture and ability
\nto provide wise counsel and to <\/p>\n
737
\n00:45:53,100 –> 00:45:56,400
\nreceive wise counsel in our
\nlives, in our families, in our <\/p>\n
738
\n00:45:56,400 –> 00:46:00,310
\necclesias.
\nIf you’re struggling for a <\/p>\n
739
\n00:46:00,310 –> 00:46:06,580
\nsubject that you might want to
\nstart with around wise counsel, <\/p>\n
740
\n00:46:06,680 –> 00:46:09,880
\nmaybe you start with it, keep it
\nin the book of proverbs, I <\/p>\n
741
\n00:46:09,880 –> 00:46:12,960
\npromise up here so you know I’m
\nan expert and I’m allowed to <\/p>\n
742
\n00:46:12,960 –> 00:46:16,740
\ntalk about this.
\nI have a certificate in it. <\/p>\n
743
\n00:46:19,640 –> 00:46:21,600
\nIt’s a certificate in
\nprocrastination. <\/p>\n
744
\n00:46:22,940 –> 00:46:27,980
\nI’m expert.
\nBig procrastination, small ones,<\/p>\n
745
\n00:46:28,820 –> 00:46:30,440
\njust go and have a look at my
\nbackyard, there are <\/p>\n
746
\n00:46:30,440 –> 00:46:37,200
\nprocrastination projects all
\nover it. things, big deadlines <\/p>\n
747
\n00:46:37,200 –> 00:46:39,120
\ncoming along, I’ve built all
\nsorts of things. <\/p>\n
748
\n00:46:39,600 –> 00:46:41,640
\nI’ve built a retaining wall,
\nI’ve built a shed, I’ve built a <\/p>\n
749
\n00:46:41,640 –> 00:46:44,660
\ncabin, I’ve built a spa sheller,
\nI’ve built all sorts of things. <\/p>\n
750
\n00:46:45,220 –> 00:46:48,500
\nThey’re my procrastination
\nprojects, so I’m expert at it. <\/p>\n
751
\n00:46:48,560 –> 00:46:51,700
\nBut the book of Proverbs talks
\nabout this, talks about <\/p>\n
752
\n00:46:51,700 –> 00:46:55,380
\nslothfulness all over the place.
\nIt identifies as a <\/p>\n
753
\n00:46:55,380 –> 00:46:57,980
\ncharacteristic of the wise that
\nthey’re not, they’re diligent, <\/p>\n
754
\n00:46:58,140 –> 00:47:01,630
\nthey get on to things, they do
\nthings, but the full, they <\/p>\n
755
\n00:47:01,630 –> 00:47:04,680
\nsleep, they procrastinate,
\nthey’re lazy. <\/p>\n
756
\n00:47:06,440 –> 00:47:08,520
\nI found this one particularly
\nhard hitting. <\/p>\n
757
\n00:47:08,840 –> 00:47:12,740
\nSo, there you go, possibly for
\nthe brethren, maybe we could <\/p>\n
758
\n00:47:12,740 –> 00:47:15,760
\nstart with this, the subject of
\nslothfulness and <\/p>\n
759
\n00:47:15,760 –> 00:47:21,694
\nprocrastination.
\nAlright, but let’s think about <\/p>\n
760
\n00:47:21,694 –> 00:47:27,730
\nit this way.
\nOur Heavenly Father is the one <\/p>\n
761
\n00:47:27,730 –> 00:47:32,740
\nwho provides us correction,
\nreproof, and counsel. <\/p>\n
762
\n00:47:33,860 –> 00:47:37,570
\nAnd Isaiah chapter 11, verse 1
\nto 10, talks about the Lord <\/p>\n
763
\n00:47:37,570 –> 00:47:40,740
\nJesus Christ and the spirit of
\nGod upon and the spirit of <\/p>\n
764
\n00:47:40,740 –> 00:47:43,640
\nknowledge, understanding,
\nwisdom, might, and of counsel. <\/p>\n
765
\n00:47:45,540 –> 00:47:48,820
\nSo, in this relationship with
\nour Heavenly Father, as he <\/p>\n
766
\n00:47:48,820 –> 00:47:52,400
\nprovides us correction, reproof,
\nand counsel through his word of <\/p>\n
767
\n00:47:52,400 –> 00:47:55,580
\ntruth, the scripture from
\nGenesis to Revelation, by the <\/p>\n
768
\n00:47:55,580 –> 00:47:59,490
\nsufferings and trials that we go
\nthrough in life, by the deep <\/p>\n
769
\n00:47:59,490 –> 00:48:02,920
\nwisdom and counsel from our
\nbrethren and sisters around us. <\/p>\n
770
\n00:48:03,880 –> 00:48:08,480
\nIn this relationship, God is our
\ngiver, and we are the receiver. <\/p>\n
771
\n00:48:09,600 –> 00:48:12,360
\nLet’s just think about these for
\na moment, in our relationship <\/p>\n
772
\n00:48:12,360 –> 00:48:16,080
\nwith our Heavenly Father.
\nIs there trust? <\/p>\n
773
\n00:48:16,200 –> 00:48:18,180
\nDo we trust him?
\nHe knows what he’s doing? <\/p>\n
774
\n00:48:21,500 –> 00:48:25,627
\nDo we listen to him?
\nBiblically seeing things in our <\/p>\n
775
\n00:48:25,627 –> 00:48:28,080
\nlife, perceiving it, is
\nlistening to him? <\/p>\n
776
\n00:48:31,120 –> 00:48:33,900
\nDo we think about our
\nrelationship with the Father as <\/p>\n
777
\n00:48:33,900 –> 00:48:36,214
\nabout growth?
\nHe’s instructing us, correcting <\/p>\n
778
\n00:48:36,214 –> 00:48:39,680
\nus to make us wiser, or do we
\nsee it as a judgment about <\/p>\n
779
\n00:48:39,680 –> 00:48:44,334
\nwhether we’re good or bad?
\nOr are we developing the spirit <\/p>\n
780
\n00:48:44,334 –> 00:48:47,370
\nwhere we come to the Father and
\nsay, see if there’s any evil <\/p>\n
781
\n00:48:47,370 –> 00:48:49,680
\nthing within me.
\nPurge it from me. <\/p>\n
782
\n00:48:49,880 –> 00:48:51,700
\nI want the correction, the
\nreproof. <\/p>\n
783
\n00:48:51,920 –> 00:48:56,900
\nI want to be received as a son.
\ncan we see the purpose? <\/p>\n
784
\n00:48:59,460 –> 00:49:01,660
\nCan we see he’s doing it for our
\ngood? <\/p>\n
785
\n00:49:02,940 –> 00:49:07,640
\nCan we see in his correction
\nthat there are peaceable fruits <\/p>\n
786
\n00:49:07,640 –> 00:49:12,160
\nof righteousness at the end?
\nDo we really understand that the<\/p>\n
787
\n00:49:12,160 –> 00:49:16,280
\nFather’s motivation is a love
\nfor his children and for his <\/p>\n
788
\n00:49:16,280 –> 00:49:22,100
\nson?
\nSo there’s a spirit, isn’t <\/p>\n
789
\n00:49:22,100 –> 00:49:24,320
\nthere, of the child or the son
\nrevealed in the book of Proverbs<\/p>\n
790
\n00:49:24,320 –> 00:49:27,730
\nand their relationship with the
\nfather as they accept his <\/p>\n
791
\n00:49:27,730 –> 00:49:31,740
\ncorrection and reproof.
\nLet’s look at two beautiful <\/p>\n
792
\n00:49:31,740 –> 00:49:35,280
\npassages now as we bring these
\nthoughts to a close. <\/p>\n
793
\n00:49:36,600 –> 00:49:40,940
\nThe first is in James 3 13-18,
\nso let’s turn that up. <\/p>\n
794
\n00:49:44,580 –> 00:49:47,220
\nAnd as we read through this,
\nyou’ll see that the passage is <\/p>\n
795
\n00:49:47,220 –> 00:49:49,760
\nall built on the book of
\nProverbs. <\/p>\n
796
\n00:49:49,960 –> 00:49:54,020
\nIt’s ideas, it’s a passage about
\nwisdom and what wisdom is and <\/p>\n
797
\n00:49:54,020 –> 00:49:56,400
\nisn’t and what wisdom is in
\npractice. <\/p>\n
798
\n00:49:57,260 –> 00:50:02,860
\nAnd in James 3 13-18, his
\ndelivery of this exposition of <\/p>\n
799
\n00:50:02,860 –> 00:50:05,860
\nwisdom and practice is done in
\nthe context of conflict. <\/p>\n
800
\n00:50:08,180 –> 00:50:12,900
\nSo James 13-18, who is a wise
\nman? <\/p>\n
801
\n00:50:13,740 –> 00:50:15,620
\nThat’s our question from
\nProverbs, isn’t it? <\/p>\n
802
\n00:50:15,620 –> 00:50:20,140
\nwho is a wise man endued with
\nknowledge? <\/p>\n
803
\n00:50:20,780 –> 00:50:22,760
\nOh, that’s a Proverbs idea among
\nyou. <\/p>\n
804
\n00:50:23,720 –> 00:50:30,100
\nLet him show out of a good way
\nof life his works with meekness <\/p>\n
805
\n00:50:30,100 –> 00:50:33,240
\nof wisdom.
\nSays James, there’s a humility <\/p>\n
806
\n00:50:33,240 –> 00:50:39,140
\ninvolved in being a wise person
\nwho outworks their knowledge and<\/p>\n
807
\n00:50:39,140 –> 00:50:41,720
\ncomprehension and their
\nbehaviours. truth. <\/p>\n
808
\n00:50:41,720 –> 00:50:49,050
\nBut, if you have bitter envy and
\nstrife in your hearts, glory <\/p>\n
809
\n00:50:49,050 –> 00:50:51,660
\nnot, do not lie against the
\ntruth. <\/p>\n
810
\n00:50:51,760 –> 00:50:55,520
\nWhat truth?
\nWell, the truth that a wise man <\/p>\n
811
\n00:50:55,520 –> 00:50:59,480
\nhas in their way of life works
\nthat show the meekness of <\/p>\n
812
\n00:50:59,480 –> 00:51:01,540
\nwisdom.
\nAnd if you have bitter envy and <\/p>\n
813
\n00:51:01,540 –> 00:51:03,560
\nstrife, you’re denying that
\ntruth. <\/p>\n
814
\n00:51:03,760 –> 00:51:09,200
\nYou’re saying it’s a lie.
\nThat wisdom, verse 15, does not <\/p>\n
815
\n00:51:09,200 –> 00:51:13,780
\ndescend from above, but is
\nearthly, sensual, devilish, for <\/p>\n
816
\n00:51:13,780 –> 00:51:18,020
\nwhere envying and strife is,
\nthere is confusion and every <\/p>\n
817
\n00:51:18,020 –> 00:51:20,620
\nevil work.
\nThat’s Proverbs. <\/p>\n
818
\n00:51:20,840 –> 00:51:24,550
\nBut the wisdom from above, the
\nwisdom of Proverbs, is first <\/p>\n
819
\n00:51:24,550 –> 00:51:27,560
\npure.
\nThat is, is first pure in the <\/p>\n
820
\n00:51:27,560 –> 00:51:29,080
\ngiver.
\nWe know that because it’s <\/p>\n
821
\n00:51:29,080 –> 00:51:32,650
\nreferring to verse 13.
\nShow out of a good way of life <\/p>\n
822
\n00:51:32,650 –> 00:51:34,700
\nthe works with meekness of
\nwisdom. <\/p>\n
823
\n00:51:34,700 –> 00:51:38,080
\nFirst you need to be that pure
\nin giving. <\/p>\n
824
\n00:51:38,880 –> 00:51:43,554
\nThen it will manifest as
\npeaceable, gentle, easy to be <\/p>\n
825
\n00:51:43,554 –> 00:51:47,170
\nentreated, full of mercy and
\ngood fruits, without partiality <\/p>\n
826
\n00:51:47,170 –> 00:51:51,480
\nand without hypocrisy.
\nTwo big themes of the book of <\/p>\n
827
\n00:51:51,480 –> 00:51:53,800
\nProverbs.
\nSo that the fruit of <\/p>\n
828
\n00:51:53,800 –> 00:51:59,134
\nrighteousness, the peaceable
\nfruits of righteousness, are the<\/p>\n
829
\n00:51:59,134 –> 00:52:01,360
\nend result of chastening, says
\nHebrews. <\/p>\n
830
\n00:52:02,180 –> 00:52:07,310
\nThe fruit of that righteousness
\nwill be sown in peace of those <\/p>\n
831
\n00:52:07,310 –> 00:52:11,590
\nwho make peace.
\nSo the book of James is telling <\/p>\n
832
\n00:52:11,590 –> 00:52:15,980
\nus that the characteristics of
\nthe wise, when you see them <\/p>\n
833
\n00:52:15,980 –> 00:52:20,394
\nmanifest, the test for us to
\nknow whether we’ve got it and we<\/p>\n
834
\n00:52:20,394 –> 00:52:24,900
\nknow and understand and are
\nputting it into practice, the <\/p>\n
835
\n00:52:24,900 –> 00:52:28,334
\ndiscernment between good and
\nevil and are choosing the good <\/p>\n
836
\n00:52:28,334 –> 00:52:32,100
\nand rejecting the evil is
\nwhether we are peaceable, <\/p>\n
837
\n00:52:32,100 –> 00:52:38,110
\ngentle, easy to be entreated,
\nfull of mercy, good fruits, <\/p>\n
838
\n00:52:38,110 –> 00:52:41,020
\nwithout partiality and without
\nhypocrisy. <\/p>\n
839
\n00:52:41,500 –> 00:52:45,000
\nThat’s what James is telling us.
\nAnd if we take it back to <\/p>\n
840
\n00:52:45,000 –> 00:52:49,320
\nHebrews chapter 12 verse 10 to
\n13, now we can see why he’s <\/p>\n
841
\n00:52:49,320 –> 00:52:52,520
\npicking up this idea of the
\npeaceable fruit of <\/p>\n
842
\n00:52:52,520 –> 00:52:55,380
\nrighteousness.
\nIt’s our actions and behaviours <\/p>\n
843
\n00:52:55,380 –> 00:52:59,900
\nin the end are right, not wrong,
\nthey’re good, not evil, and <\/p>\n
844
\n00:52:59,900 –> 00:53:05,400
\nthere is peace.
\nFor they verily for a few days <\/p>\n
845
\n00:53:05,400 –> 00:53:08,110
\nchastened us, says the writer of
\nHebrews, after their own <\/p>\n
846
\n00:53:08,110 –> 00:53:12,120
\npleasure, but God, he’s
\nchastening us through his word, <\/p>\n
847
\n00:53:13,040 –> 00:53:17,710
\nthrough our sufferings and
\nsorrows, through the deep <\/p>\n
848
\n00:53:17,710 –> 00:53:20,620
\ncounsel and wisdom that’s
\navailable for those around us, <\/p>\n
849
\n00:53:21,120 –> 00:53:24,680
\nso that we might be partakers of
\nhis holiness. <\/p>\n
850
\n00:53:25,420 –> 00:53:29,400
\nThat’s why he’s doing it.
\nNow, none of our chastening, <\/p>\n
851
\n00:53:29,520 –> 00:53:33,640
\nnone of our suffering seems to
\nbe joyous, but grievous, <\/p>\n
852
\n00:53:33,920 –> 00:53:38,240
\nsorrowful.
\nNevertheless, afterward it <\/p>\n
853
\n00:53:38,240 –> 00:53:42,800
\nyields the peaceable fruit of
\nrighteousness to those who are <\/p>\n
854
\n00:53:42,800 –> 00:53:49,240
\nexercised by it.
\nIt’s exercising us, it’s <\/p>\n
855
\n00:53:49,240 –> 00:53:52,620
\ncreating us, it’s turning us
\ninto his children. <\/p>\n
856
\n00:53:54,100 –> 00:53:58,080
\nWherefore, because we understand
\nthe goal and the aim and why God<\/p>\n
857
\n00:53:58,080 –> 00:54:02,640
\ndoes it and his motivation and
\nthat we can trust him, in <\/p>\n
858
\n00:54:02,640 –> 00:54:08,810
\nwhatever your sorrow, your
\ntrial, your difficulty, your <\/p>\n
859
\n00:54:08,810 –> 00:54:11,370
\nchastening, your correction
\nunder the heavenly father’s <\/p>\n
860
\n00:54:11,370 –> 00:54:16,560
\nhand, lift up your hands if they
\nhang down, strengthen feeble <\/p>\n
861
\n00:54:16,560 –> 00:54:21,620
\nknees, make straight paths for
\nyour feet and for your faith. <\/p>\n
862
\n00:54:22,700 –> 00:54:25,320
\nLet’s conclude with these words
\nof the father to the son. <\/p>\n
863
\n00:54:26,360 –> 00:54:30,160
\nProverbs chapter 3.
\nMy son, forget not my law. <\/p>\n
864
\n00:54:31,300 –> 00:54:33,440
\nLet thine heart keep my
\ncommandments. <\/p>\n
865
\n00:54:34,440 –> 00:54:37,660
\nFor length of days, long life
\nand peace they will add to thee.<\/p>\n
866
\n00:54:38,660 –> 00:54:43,100
\nTrust in Yahweh.
\nTrust with all your heart. <\/p>\n
867
\n00:54:43,860 –> 00:54:46,120
\nDo not lean to your own
\nunderstanding. <\/p>\n
868
\n00:54:47,320 –> 00:54:48,800
\nYou won’t be able to figure it
\nout. <\/p>\n
869
\n00:54:50,680 –> 00:54:54,900
\nTrust and in all your ways
\nacknowledge him. <\/p>\n
870
\n00:54:54,900 –> 00:55:01,050
\nHave a mindset, a spirit of mind
\nthat in everything you do, you <\/p>\n
871
\n00:55:01,050 –> 00:55:06,480
\nacknowledge God’s got it in
\ncontrol and he will direct our <\/p>\n
872
\n00:55:06,480 –> 00:55:09,060
\npaths.
\nWe don’t have to do it <\/p>\n
873
\n00:55:09,060 –> 00:55:11,920
\nourselves.
\nIn fact, we can’t. <\/p>\n
874
\n00:55:13,140 –> 00:55:16,060
\nWe need to trust him to direct
\nour paths in life. <\/p>\n
875
\n00:55:17,060 –> 00:55:22,060
\nMy son, he says, do not despise
\nthe chastening of Yahweh, <\/p>\n
876
\n00:55:22,160 –> 00:55:23,700
\nneither be wary of his
\ncorrection. <\/p>\n
877
\n00:55:25,320 –> 00:55:30,060
\nFor whoever Yahweh loves, he
\ncorrects, even as a father the <\/p>\n
878
\n00:55:30,060 –> 00:55:31,180
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