{"id":1240,"date":"2024-12-16T01:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-12-16T01:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/goodchristadelphiantalks.com\/index.php\/podcast\/326-tom-peel-exhortation-convergence-coherence\/"},"modified":"2026-07-27T08:50:14","modified_gmt":"2026-07-27T08:50:14","slug":"326-tom-peel-exhortation-convergence-coherence","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/goodchristadelphiantalks.com\/index.php\/podcast\/326-tom-peel-exhortation-convergence-coherence\/","title":{"rendered":"326: Tom Peel – Convergence & Coherence"},"content":{"rendered":"

This week we are listening a talk by Bro. Tom Peel entitled \u201cConvergence & Coherence\u201d that was given at the Oxford Ecclesia in November 2024 . <\/p>\n

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\nThis week’s talk is an
\nexhortation by Brother Tom Peel,<\/p>\n

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\ngiven at the Oxford Ecclesia in
\nthe UK this year 2024. <\/p>\n

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\nThis talk was a really excellent
\nexhortation about listening and <\/p>\n

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\nkind of the grace and the
\nrequirement to listen the show <\/p>\n

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\nof love and listening and how
\nthat really defines ecclesial <\/p>\n

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\nlife.
\nBut where I found this to be <\/p>\n

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\nparticularly hard hitting for
\nme, and maybe it’s something <\/p>\n

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\njust because it’s something I’ve
\nbeen thinking about is how this <\/p>\n

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\napplies to how we listen online
\nor on Zoom. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd he kind of just mentioned it
\na couple times, but and then at <\/p>\n

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\nthe end, but this principle that
\nhe’s expanding on, I think I <\/p>\n

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\nthink he’s correct in saying
\nthat it’s much more difficult to<\/p>\n

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\nkeep the principle of truly
\nlistening in a in a loving and <\/p>\n

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\nkind of ecclesial life manner on
\nZoom. <\/p>\n

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\nSo anyways, this was a great
\nexcitation. <\/p>\n

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\nReally was really, really
\ninteresting and for me and <\/p>\n

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\nreally helpful for something
\nI’ve been thinking about. <\/p>\n

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\nBrother Tom has his own podcast
\nfeed called from the platform in<\/p>\n

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\nwhich he posted this excitation.
\nThe podcast has been dormant for<\/p>\n

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\na while, but there are some he
\ndid some really interesting <\/p>\n

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\nepisodes a couple years ago
\nabout listening. <\/p>\n

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\nActually, it’s kind of, I guess
\nmaybe the, the, the roots of <\/p>\n

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\nthis topic.
\nAnd I definitely suggest <\/p>\n

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\nchecking those out.
\nI can’t, I actually, I’m not <\/p>\n

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\nsure I listen to all of them
\nmyself. <\/p>\n

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\nSo I’m not a not the greatest
\nlistener, but but I really <\/p>\n

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\nenjoyed enjoyed when he was
\nposting those a couple years <\/p>\n

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\nago.
\nSo anyways, here is coherence <\/p>\n

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\nand convergence.
\nThe word convergence is the kind<\/p>\n

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\nof the top of my page here.
\nThat’s kind of similar to <\/p>\n

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\nharmony, isn’t it?
\nWe tried to converge our voices.<\/p>\n

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\nWe did it better than that last
\none that that idea of bringing <\/p>\n

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\ntogether and training ourselves
\nto hold space for separate parts<\/p>\n

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\nthat kind of come together.
\nAnd often with convergence, <\/p>\n

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\nthere’s a coherence, there’s
\nbeauty, there’s a way of reality<\/p>\n

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\nto it.
\nI have several senses. <\/p>\n

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\nI, I can see this.
\nI can touch it. <\/p>\n

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\nI can hear it, I can taste it.
\nAll those things converge to me <\/p>\n

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\nto know that this is real.
\nI’m not holding an illusion, <\/p>\n

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\nsomething that’s deluding me.
\nIf I went went, I’ll be like, <\/p>\n

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\nwhat?
\nWhat’s going on that’s mad? <\/p>\n

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\nLike this strange like thing
\nthat doesn’t make sense would <\/p>\n

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\nhave happened that there’d be
\nthis dissonance here. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd humans are wired to find
\ncoherence and and when things <\/p>\n

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\nconverge, yeah.
\nWhen things don’t align, when <\/p>\n

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\nthey should, we have a
\ndissonance similar with harmony.<\/p>\n

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\nWhen that.
\nWell, that note wasn’t, wasn’t <\/p>\n

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\nright.
\nThere’s a distance there, <\/p>\n

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\nattention.
\nAnd we strive to seek a <\/p>\n

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\nresolution for it.
\nThis pursuit of coherence. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s, it’s not just an
\nintellectual thing. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s it’s a deeply emotional and
\nspiritual thing. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd where pattern recognises as
\nhuman we’re looking, we’re <\/p>\n

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\nlooking for that convergence and
\nthings all the time. <\/p>\n

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\nSo we can say, OK, that’s
\nnormal, that’s normal, that’s <\/p>\n

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\nnormal.
\nNow I can get on with this. <\/p>\n

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\nIf I know a tiger broke in to
\nthe hole, I’m like, right, that <\/p>\n

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\nneeds attending to now.
\nOK, I need to forget what I’m <\/p>\n

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\ndoing here.
\nI need to break my frame of <\/p>\n

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\nrelevance and go, that’s more
\nrelevant. <\/p>\n

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\nWe need, we need to run away or
\nwhatever it might be. <\/p>\n

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\nThis convergence that we find,
\nthis pattern recognition, leads <\/p>\n

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\nus to great insight and an
\nability to move and have agency <\/p>\n

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\nin the world, but it can also
\nlead us to have self deception <\/p>\n

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\nin many ways.
\nMaybe you’ve all seen the video <\/p>\n

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\nof the people playing basketball
\nand the gorilla walks across. <\/p>\n

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\nYou’re training yourself to see
\nwhat’s convergent within the <\/p>\n

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\nwithin the question you’ve been
\nasked, counting how many times <\/p>\n

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\nthe ball gets passed.
\nAnd then you delude yourself <\/p>\n

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\nwhen, when, when this monkey
\nwalks and you don’t see it. <\/p>\n

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\nThere’s this kind of great
\ndelusion that happens. <\/p>\n

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\nI imagine you’re thinking, I
\nhope this talk has a point of <\/p>\n

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\nconvergence.
\nIt makes sense. <\/p>\n

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\nIt has a point to it.
\nSo we think there’s a point to <\/p>\n

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\nit where it comes together and
\nit’s relevant for you. <\/p>\n

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\nI’m going to go off on a tangent
\nfirst, then hopefully bring it <\/p>\n

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\nback, all right?
\nBut as Christadelphians, I feel <\/p>\n

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\nlike we find things like cross
\nreferences in Scripture really <\/p>\n

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\nprofound.
\nWhen we see patterns, echoes of <\/p>\n

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\nGenesis in Revelation, prophecy
\nfulfilled by Christ, it feels <\/p>\n

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\nlike we’re uncovering a deeper
\nlayer of reality, something to <\/p>\n

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\nOrient us by.
\nIt’s satisfying because it’s not<\/p>\n

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\njust knowledge.
\nIt’s the sense of alignment with<\/p>\n

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\nthis ancient book and what we
\nbelieve to be the Word of God, a<\/p>\n

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\nglimpse at his eternal plan.
\nBut what happens when what we <\/p>\n

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\nexpect to align doesn’t?
\nWe have this conflict, this <\/p>\n

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\ndissonance, and that’s normally
\nthe place where we try and push <\/p>\n

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\naway.
\nBut that’s often the place where<\/p>\n

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\ngrowth happens and we find a a
\nmoment of expansion. <\/p>\n

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\nAnybody here enjoy video games
\nthat all the young people have <\/p>\n

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\nleft?
\nBut as humans, we, we, we think <\/p>\n

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\nabout video games.
\nThey, they create a, a <\/p>\n

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\ncompelling world of coherence.
\nYou have a goal, a journey to <\/p>\n

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\nnavigate, a sense of agency.
\nYour actions shape the outcome. <\/p>\n

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\nFailure matters because it
\nstraps your sense of coherence, <\/p>\n

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\nbut it’s also a part of the
\nprocess. <\/p>\n

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\nWhen your little avatar dies,
\nyou have to restart. <\/p>\n

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\nBut when you restart, you’ve got
\na deeper level of how to go <\/p>\n

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\nthrough that, that that level
\nagain. <\/p>\n

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\nThe first time you attempt the
\npuzzle, the solution might seem <\/p>\n

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\nobvious, But if that doesn’t
\nwork, that moment of dissonance <\/p>\n

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\nforces you to reassess.
\nThen you get, ah, a new insight.<\/p>\n

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\nThe lever opens the bookshelf
\nand the, you know, the, the door<\/p>\n

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\nopens because of the, the spade
\nand not the key. <\/p>\n

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\nSomething like, I don’t know,
\nsomething like that in in in <\/p>\n

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\nthese computer games where it’s
\nlike you have to work out what <\/p>\n

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\nin your itinerary might open the
\nnext thing and unlock for you. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd it’s like aha moments and
\nyou go, you move through a new <\/p>\n

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\nprogress.
\nComputer games have really built<\/p>\n

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\nalmost like a an insight
\ngenerator that is like <\/p>\n

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\ncompelling for a lot of people.
\nYou align with the game’s deeper<\/p>\n

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\nlogic.
\nThis isn’t just entertainment, <\/p>\n

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\nit’s a it’s a microcosm of how
\nwe grow in real life. <\/p>\n

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\nWhen we encounter obstacles in
\nwork or relationships or faith, <\/p>\n

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\nit’s the struggle to align
\nfollowed by moments of insight <\/p>\n

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\nthat creates meaning for us.
\nWe, we find harmony to be <\/p>\n

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\nmeaningful, don’t we?
\nAnd when you think about that in<\/p>\n

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\na philosophical sense, it’s
\nlike, why what? <\/p>\n

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\nLike what’s this?
\nWhat’s this convergence doing <\/p>\n

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\nthat is meaningful to us?
\nThere’s something about the way <\/p>\n

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\nthings come together and cohere
\nthat as humans we find deeply <\/p>\n

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\nmeaningful.
\nThere’s a phrase that’s I think <\/p>\n

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\nbecome more popular.
\nI don’t know if anyone has heard<\/p>\n

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\nof people entering the flow
\nstate. <\/p>\n

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\nYou’ve probably all experienced
\nit. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s like when you’re deeply
\nengrossed in something that is <\/p>\n

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\ncoming together and providing
\nyou with like a puzzle. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s like, you know, you start
\nwith a disparate array of pieces<\/p>\n

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\nand then you get more like, oh,
\nthis, this. <\/p>\n

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\nAh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
\nAnd you get that kind of like <\/p>\n

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\nmovement through something that
\nkind of starts to become fluid <\/p>\n

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\nas you’re going it.
\nIt maybe begins as kind of a a <\/p>\n

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\nbit clunky.
\nIf we were to practice that song<\/p>\n

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\nsome more, we’d get into
\nalignment and it would flow and <\/p>\n

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\nyou’d be in a in a different
\nstate. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd that’s where kind of time
\nstarts kind of moving away from <\/p>\n

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\nyou and you, you realize you’ve
\nbeen doing something for hours <\/p>\n

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\nand you break out of it and Rez,
\nyou haven’t done anything for <\/p>\n

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\ndinner.
\nSo, yeah, the in a flow state, <\/p>\n

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\nwe’re deeply connected with what
\nwe’re doing, whether it’s <\/p>\n

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\nsolving a problem, creating our
\nor even praying. <\/p>\n

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\nThere’s a rhythm of challenge
\nand insight that feels <\/p>\n

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\ncompelling and purposeful.
\nIt’s not so boring. <\/p>\n

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\nWe give up with it.
\nAnd it’s not so challenging that<\/p>\n

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\nwe give up with it.
\nIt’s kind of got this medium <\/p>\n

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\nplaces.
\nWhat’s that phrase in education,<\/p>\n

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\nnamely the zone of proximal
\ndevelopment, if you’re a <\/p>\n

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\nteacher.
\nOK, Zone of proximal <\/p>\n

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\ndevelopment, if anyone’s in
\neducation, I don’t know, it’s <\/p>\n

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\nthat place where the the lesson
\nisn’t so hard. <\/p>\n

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\nYou’ve lost the interest of the
\nclass. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s not so easy that they’re
\nlike, this is so easy. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s got that area of
\ndevelopment in it, that growth. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd that’s that’s this idea of
\nflow state. <\/p>\n

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\nThink about the times you felt
\nthis in your spiritual life, <\/p>\n

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\nperhaps during a Bible study
\nwhen a verse suddenly <\/p>\n

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\nilluminates a theme or during
\nprayer when your thoughts and <\/p>\n

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\nemotions seem to click into
\nplace. <\/p>\n

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\nThese moments aren’t just
\nrewarding. <\/p>\n

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\nThey feel like a taste of the
\ndivine. <\/p>\n

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\nThere’s a coherent a convergence
\nhere and thinking about the Old <\/p>\n

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\nTestament and to to Timothy will
\nwill come on to because I think <\/p>\n

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\nat the end of to Timothy,
\nthere’s a, there’s a, some great<\/p>\n

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\ninstructions on how to hold
\nspace for this. <\/p>\n

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\nThe rituals of the Old Testament
\npriests might seem rigid to us, <\/p>\n

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\nbut they’re created and
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\nachieving flow.
\nPriestly tasks were a <\/p>\n

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\nconvergence of physical,
\nspiritual and symbolic. <\/p>\n

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\nEvery detail of the law, the
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\nspecific sacrifices, the timings
\nof festivals was a way of <\/p>\n

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\naligning people with God’s
\nholiness, a rhythm that people <\/p>\n

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\nwould have very much engaged
\nwith and would have been <\/p>\n

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\nmeaningful.
\nThey’d have seen the betweenness<\/p>\n

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\nof things when when stuff was
\nhappening. <\/p>\n

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\nFor us, it’s it’s kind of like
\njust static instructions, but <\/p>\n

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\nwhen you’re living it out,
\nyou’re seeing it all kind of <\/p>\n

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\nconverging, it becoming a
\nharmony and something <\/p>\n

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\nmeaningful.
\nThe priest had to engage fully <\/p>\n

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\nwith precision and intention,
\nintention to create coherence <\/p>\n

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\nbetween heaven and earth in that
\nsacred space. <\/p>\n

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\nThe repetitive yet purposeful
\nacts allowed them to find a <\/p>\n

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\nrhythm, a state where their work
\nconnected them to God’s <\/p>\n

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\npresence.
\nThis wasn’t mindless obedience, <\/p>\n

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\nit was an embodied form of
\nworship. <\/p>\n

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\nBut insight and alignment could
\noccur. <\/p>\n

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\nBut while convergence and
\ncoherence are deeply meaningful,<\/p>\n

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\nthey’re not the ultimate goal.
\nFor example, you’d probably know<\/p>\n

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\nmore than me when, when was
\nCopernicus? <\/p>\n

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\nLike 300 years ago, 400 years
\nago, that you know, the idea <\/p>\n

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\nthat before that you’d have gone
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\nfriends together, go out into an
\nopen plane. <\/p>\n

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\nYou watch the sun coming up from
\none place, go over you and set. <\/p>\n

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\nYou’re like, all right, Are we
\nall we’re all sober. <\/p>\n

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\nWe’re all well, we all saw that
\nhappening. <\/p>\n

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\nAll of our senses, we saw it.
\nThere’s a sun goes around the <\/p>\n

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\nearth.
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\nOK, We’ve all, we’re all
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\nBut often a greater reality can
\nbreak in and disrupt that what? <\/p>\n

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\nWhat seemingly was convergent
\nsends it out into because when <\/p>\n

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\npeople start navigating, they
\nstart plotting themselves and <\/p>\n

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\nthey realize that Mars in the
\nsky does this kind of weird loop<\/p>\n

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\nof the loop.
\nAnd it’s like, how does that <\/p>\n

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\nmake sense?
\nWhy is Mars moving in this weird<\/p>\n

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\nloop, the loop around the sky,
\nif it’s moving around the Earth,<\/p>\n

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\nright?
\nAnd then Copernicus realizes <\/p>\n

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\nthat, well, the maths is better
\nif we put the sun in the middle <\/p>\n

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\nand the Earth is go.
\nAnd this sudden realisation, Oh <\/p>\n

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\nmy word, we’re not in the middle
\nof it all this sudden bigger <\/p>\n

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\nframework and this greater
\ncoherence allows for the things <\/p>\n

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\nthat were kind of weird and
\nunexplainable before about the <\/p>\n

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\nway Mars moves in the sky to
\nsuddenly lock into place and <\/p>\n

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\nbecome more beautiful, He says.
\nThe maths is more beautiful when<\/p>\n

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\nyou do, when you put the sun in
\nthe middle, because you get the <\/p>\n

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\nMars moving in a simple circle.
\nAnd consider the priests in the <\/p>\n

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\ntemple.
\nTheir work was this precise and <\/p>\n

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\nintentional and sacred.
\nBut there comes a moment where <\/p>\n

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\nGod himself intervenes.
\nThis bigger framework arrives <\/p>\n

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\nand disrupts their flow.
\nIn one Kings 8, when Solomon <\/p>\n

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\ndedicates to the temple as the
\npriests perform their duties, <\/p>\n

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\nthe glory of the Lord filled the
\ntemple in a thick cloud of smoke<\/p>\n

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\nand they could no longer see
\nwhat they were doing and the <\/p>\n

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\nritual was brought to a halt.
\nThis thing that they were, you <\/p>\n

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\nknow, in built into them is the
\nmost important thing to be doing<\/p>\n

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\nand and keeping this rhythm
\ngoing because it was it was so <\/p>\n

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\ninsightful, was stopped by the
\nvery thing that had been telling<\/p>\n

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\nthem to do it.
\nAnd it’s like what’s going on <\/p>\n

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\nhere?
\nAnd but it’s not a chaos that <\/p>\n

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\nemerges.
\nIt’s a disruption by a greater <\/p>\n

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\nThe ritual was something to <\/p>\n

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\npoint to him, and it’s
\nmomentarily annulled because the<\/p>\n

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\nreality of God himself has
\narrived. <\/p>\n

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\nJesus picks up the same theme in
\nhis ministry. <\/p>\n

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\nWhen questioned about why his
\ndisciples didn’t fast, he <\/p>\n

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\nresponded, How can the guests of
\nthe bridegroom mourn while he is<\/p>\n

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\nwith them?
\nThe rituals of fasting were <\/p>\n

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\nmeaningful, but they pointed
\ntoward a greater reality, the <\/p>\n

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\npresence of the Messiah.
\nWith the bridegroom present, <\/p>\n

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\nfasting became unnecessary.
\nThe greater whole had arrived. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd there’s a pattern of this
\ndisruption we see throughout <\/p>\n

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\nScripture, isn’t it?
\nWhether it’s a, a first born <\/p>\n

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\ndisrupting with a second child,
\nwhether it’s the, the, the, the,<\/p>\n

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\nthe Tabernacle being subsumed by
\nthe temple and then the temple <\/p>\n

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\nbeing destroyed, this holy
\nsacred place being being <\/p>\n

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\nsubsumed, but then by the, the
\nbody of Christ, this thing that <\/p>\n

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\nwas not as physical.
\nThere’s this disruption. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd in every case, God’s
\ndisruption is not arbitrary. <\/p>\n

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\nThere invitations to see larger,
\nmore coherent reality <\/p>\n

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\nconvergence so vast that it
\nmakes our previous understanding<\/p>\n

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\nseem small in comparison.
\nBut this journey from this kind <\/p>\n

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\nof rigidity of the law to the
\nfreedom in Christ that is kind <\/p>\n

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\nof the bigger picture wasn’t
\nimmediate. <\/p>\n

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\nIt unfolds.
\nIt unfolds over centuries as God<\/p>\n

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\npatiently leads his people
\ntowards that deeper <\/p>\n

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\nunderstanding.
\nPaul describes the law as a <\/p>\n

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\nschoolmaster that leads us to
\nChrist. <\/p>\n

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\nIt was a scaffold, which is a
\nstructure designed to support <\/p>\n

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\ngrowth and realization but not
\nconstrain it. <\/p>\n

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\nThere’s a phrase called
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\nsome organizations that they
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\nenable insight and discovery,
\nbut they don’t lock you in. <\/p>\n

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\nSeems like David exemplifies
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\nHe lived within the law but
\nwasn’t bound by its rigidity. <\/p>\n

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\nWhen he ate the bread meant only
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\nmercy and human need over strict
\nlegalism. <\/p>\n

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\nThis act didn’t break God’s
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\nfulfilled it.
\nWhereas in contrast, we see the <\/p>\n

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\nPharisees who treat the law not
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\nThey cling to it so tightly
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\nthey missed the deeper reality
\nit pointed towards. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd they atrophy.
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\nthat when the thing comes,
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\ngoing to bring them a greater
\nsense of reality. <\/p>\n

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\nThey rupture and they atrophy at
\nits presence. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd they can’t contain it.
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\ncontrol it, and they can’t do
\nit. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd I think we get a lesson
\nfrom. <\/p>\n

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\nYeah, the idea of hardening our
\nhearts. <\/p>\n

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\nWhen we fail to make room for
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\nreality, we risk hardening our
\nhearts. <\/p>\n

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\nGod’s movement feels like a
\ndisruption, but it’s always an <\/p>\n

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\ninvitation to grow.
\nIf we cling too tightly to the <\/p>\n

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\nfamiliar, we may find ourselves
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\nus into something greater.
\nBack to the computer game <\/p>\n

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\nanalogy.
\nIt’s like being an immersed and <\/p>\n

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\nepic level of Final Fantasy 7,
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\nthe game.
\nAnd then it’s like dinner time. <\/p>\n

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\nOh no, like suddenly great
\nreality comes out and and breaks<\/p>\n

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\ninto your your quest and and
\nyour coherence in your flow is <\/p>\n

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\nbroken.
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\nfrustrated by the interruption,
\nbut the reality of dinner and <\/p>\n

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\nthe relationships it represents
\nis more important. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd we have obviously the the
\nmetaphor of new wine and into <\/p>\n

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\nnew wineskins in in the Bible
\nwhich which shows this. <\/p>\n

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\nYeah, so this transition, we’ve
\nseen how God uses structures as <\/p>\n

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\nscaffolds, leading his people
\nstep by step towards greater <\/p>\n

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\nrealizations.
\nBut there’s a crucial ingredient<\/p>\n

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\nthat allows us to move from the
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\nreality, and that’s faith.
\nThink about the transitions that<\/p>\n

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\nare in the Bible from earth to
\nCanaan, from Egypt to the <\/p>\n

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\nPromised Land, from the temple
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\nAll transitions that require
\nfaith. <\/p>\n

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\nStepping out of a framework that
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\na kind of a greater space.
\nLike taking a plant and re <\/p>\n

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\npotting it.
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\nto the edge of the pot and you
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\nthe small one and when you put
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\nNow those roots have to kind of
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\nfind the edges again and move,
\nmove forward. <\/p>\n

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\nSo we’ve explored how
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\nflow bring this meaning in our
\nlives and how computer games <\/p>\n

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\nkind of can hijack that and,
\nand, and, and they’ve been <\/p>\n

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\ndesigned because we’re so
\nsusceptible to them. <\/p>\n

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\nHow God uses structures to lead
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\nhow he sometimes disrupts those
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\n00:17:53,040 –> 00:17:55,600
\nI’ve just spent the last, I
\ndon’t know, 10. <\/p>\n

328
\n00:17:55,600 –> 00:17:58,040
\nHow long are they going for?
\n10 minutes or so? <\/p>\n

329
\n00:17:58,360 –> 00:18:00,680
\nDoing something that feels
\nslightly out of step with these <\/p>\n

330
\n00:18:00,680 –> 00:18:03,560
\nprinciples.
\nThis talk, as meaningful as I’ve<\/p>\n

331
\n00:18:03,560 –> 00:18:05,600
\ntried to make it, is a
\nmonologue. <\/p>\n

332
\n00:18:06,240 –> 00:18:09,360
\nIt’s a structure we’re used to.
\nIt has a purpose, but it’s a <\/p>\n

333
\n00:18:09,360 –> 00:18:11,120
\nrigid one.
\nI’m literally reading off of a <\/p>\n

334
\n00:18:11,120 –> 00:18:16,720
\npiece of screen.
\nWhat I mean is I’ve pre baked <\/p>\n

335
\n00:18:16,720 –> 00:18:19,920
\nthese ideas gathering together
\ninto something that feels <\/p>\n

336
\n00:18:19,920 –> 00:18:23,360
\nconvergent and coherent for me.
\nI’ve been listening to lots of <\/p>\n

337
\n00:18:23,360 –> 00:18:25,520
\npodcasts about stuff like this.
\nIt’s like, oh, it’s already <\/p>\n

338
\n00:18:25,520 –> 00:18:27,280
\neveryone in Oxford.
\nSo I love this. <\/p>\n

339
\n00:18:29,080 –> 00:18:33,080
\nBut I work to align insights
\nfrom scripture, video games, <\/p>\n

340
\n00:18:33,080 –> 00:18:36,840
\nwhich no one relates to and
\nflow. <\/p>\n

341
\n00:18:37,880 –> 00:18:40,640
\nAnd I hope it’s meaningful.
\nBut as I deliver them to you, <\/p>\n

342
\n00:18:40,640 –> 00:18:45,120
\nthey remain separate from you.
\nI’m hoping that my coherence <\/p>\n

343
\n00:18:45,120 –> 00:18:47,960
\nwill become your coherence, that
\nthings that are convergent for <\/p>\n

344
\n00:18:47,960 –> 00:18:51,960
\nme will be convergent for you.
\nBut is this the best way to <\/p>\n

345
\n00:18:51,960 –> 00:18:55,720
\ngenerate insight?
\nOr are there more collaborative <\/p>\n

346
\n00:18:55,720 –> 00:18:58,320
\nways to align with God than each
\nother? <\/p>\n

347
\n00:18:59,200 –> 00:19:04,120
\nAnd I want to put to you a kind
\nof a practice that I think is <\/p>\n

348
\n00:19:04,120 –> 00:19:09,880
\nmissing from our set of rituals
\nthat we do as Christadelphians. <\/p>\n

349
\n00:19:11,240 –> 00:19:15,160
\nThese are dialogical practices
\nas opposed to monological one <\/p>\n

350
\n00:19:15,160 –> 00:19:18,400
\nway dialogical practices where
\nwe create a framework for <\/p>\n

351
\n00:19:19,520 –> 00:19:22,040
\ninterpersonal dialogical kind of
\ninsight. <\/p>\n

352
\n00:19:23,840 –> 00:19:26,280
\nAnd this is where two or three
\npeople engage in deep active <\/p>\n

353
\n00:19:26,280 –> 00:19:29,680
\nlistening to let a conversation
\nfind itself. <\/p>\n

354
\n00:19:30,280 –> 00:19:32,360
\nThe insights don’t come pre
\nbaked. <\/p>\n

355
\n00:19:32,360 –> 00:19:35,520
\nInstead, they emerge in the
\nmoment through shared attention <\/p>\n

356
\n00:19:35,520 –> 00:19:38,720
\nand genuine connection.
\nImagine what church might feel <\/p>\n

357
\n00:19:38,720 –> 00:19:41,000
\nlike if we approached our shared
\ntime this way. <\/p>\n

358
\n00:19:41,320 –> 00:19:43,520
\nNot as something where the
\ninsights are handed down from <\/p>\n

359
\n00:19:43,520 –> 00:19:48,120
\none person to the rest, but as a
\nspace where we actively work <\/p>\n

360
\n00:19:48,120 –> 00:19:50,640
\ntogether to uncover God’s
\nreality. <\/p>\n

361
\n00:19:51,160 –> 00:19:53,480
\nIt would be less like delivering
\na talk and more like building a <\/p>\n

362
\n00:19:53,480 –> 00:19:56,640
\nstructure in real time, one that
\nscaffolds us towards something <\/p>\n

363
\n00:19:56,640 –> 00:19:59,640
\ngreater.
\nA practice like this isn’t easy <\/p>\n

364
\n00:19:59,640 –> 00:20:01,120
\nto master.
\nI think we had a good example <\/p>\n

365
\n00:20:01,120 –> 00:20:02,960
\nactually trying to master
\nsomething at the very beginning <\/p>\n

366
\n00:20:02,960 –> 00:20:04,040
\nthere.
\nSo I’m going to pick up on this <\/p>\n

367
\n00:20:04,040 –> 00:20:07,480
\na few times.
\nRight, like a new song and a new<\/p>\n

368
\n00:20:07,480 –> 00:20:11,240
\nway of doing it.
\nThere was some instruction, but <\/p>\n

369
\n00:20:11,240 –> 00:20:15,920
\nthere was a lot of space.
\nAnd you know, ideally you’d <\/p>\n

370
\n00:20:15,920 –> 00:20:18,560
\nyou’d spend more time practising
\neach kind of part and and <\/p>\n

371
\n00:20:18,560 –> 00:20:21,240
\ntraining yourself in it so it
\nbecomes intuitive and then <\/p>\n

372
\n00:20:21,240 –> 00:20:22,960
\nbringing it together.
\nBut that would also take a lot <\/p>\n

373
\n00:20:22,960 –> 00:20:26,120
\nof time and a dialogical
\npractices these kind of three <\/p>\n

374
\n00:20:26,120 –> 00:20:29,400
\nperson kind of ways of of.
\nGaining insight. <\/p>\n

375
\n00:20:30,080 –> 00:20:32,120
\nI like learning an instrument.
\nIt’s something that you start, <\/p>\n

376
\n00:20:32,160 –> 00:20:35,240
\nit’s very clunky and you have to
\nkind of feel your way into it. <\/p>\n

377
\n00:20:35,760 –> 00:20:38,640
\nIt will feel awkward, out of
\ntune, hard to navigate. <\/p>\n

378
\n00:20:38,640 –> 00:20:41,080
\nThe process won’t immediately
\nfeel coherent or insight. <\/p>\n

379
\n00:20:41,400 –> 00:20:43,200
\nThe practice itself is quite
\nrigid. <\/p>\n

380
\n00:20:43,200 –> 00:20:46,520
\nIt involves taking turns and
\nalloting time for each person, <\/p>\n

381
\n00:20:46,840 –> 00:20:49,480
\nresisting the urge to jump into
\nfree flowing back and forth <\/p>\n

382
\n00:20:49,480 –> 00:20:51,640
\nconversation.
\nBut with commitment, something <\/p>\n

383
\n00:20:51,640 –> 00:20:54,200
\nincredible happens.
\nJust as learning an instrument <\/p>\n

384
\n00:20:54,200 –> 00:20:57,320
\ntransforms from clunky practice
\ninto beautiful music, this <\/p>\n

385
\n00:20:57,320 –> 00:20:59,680
\npractice of dialogue blog begins
\nto lock in. <\/p>\n

386
\n00:20:59,920 –> 00:21:02,440
\nOver time, insights emerge that
\nyou couldn’t have worked out on <\/p>\n

387
\n00:21:02,440 –> 00:21:05,080
\nyour own because you’re working
\nin genuine connection with <\/p>\n

388
\n00:21:05,120 –> 00:21:07,520
\nothers.
\nYou find convergence and meaning<\/p>\n

389
\n00:21:07,520 –> 00:21:09,600
\nacross the voices of your
\nbrothers and sisters. <\/p>\n

390
\n00:21:09,840 –> 00:21:13,320
\nAnd in the midst of that shared
\ninsight, God’s presence, we <\/p>\n

391
\n00:21:13,320 –> 00:21:15,720
\ncould call it, becomes more
\nprofoundly real. <\/p>\n

392
\n00:21:18,080 –> 00:21:20,720
\nSo to give you that the real
\npracticalities of it, one person<\/p>\n

393
\n00:21:20,720 –> 00:21:25,000
\nspeaks for two minutes, the
\nother person repeats back <\/p>\n

394
\n00:21:25,000 –> 00:21:27,320
\neverything they’ve heard the
\nfirst person saying within that <\/p>\n

395
\n00:21:27,320 –> 00:21:29,720
\n2 minutes.
\nAnd a third person just observed<\/p>\n

396
\n00:21:29,720 –> 00:21:31,680
\nis like a bystander.
\nWhat’s going on? <\/p>\n

397
\n00:21:31,680 –> 00:21:34,760
\nAnd then you move around, the
\nlistener becomes the speaker, <\/p>\n

398
\n00:21:35,120 –> 00:21:40,480
\nand each role switches.
\nAnd as you kind of go through <\/p>\n

399
\n00:21:40,480 –> 00:21:44,480
\nit, person A brings what’s going
\non for them, Person B brings <\/p>\n

400
\n00:21:44,480 –> 00:21:46,520
\nwhat’s going on from them.
\nIt’s like these disparate, kind <\/p>\n

401
\n00:21:46,520 –> 00:21:49,040
\nof almost like scatter graph
\nkind of things to start coming <\/p>\n

402
\n00:21:49,040 –> 00:21:52,440
\nin, but then you go around again
\nand things start to kind of <\/p>\n

403
\n00:21:52,440 –> 00:21:55,040
\nconverge, but in a spiral.
\nYou’ve gone round, you’ve gone <\/p>\n

404
\n00:21:55,040 –> 00:21:56,400
\nup a level.
\nNow everything you’ve said <\/p>\n

405
\n00:21:56,400 –> 00:21:59,200
\nbefore now becomes relevant to
\nthe next series of kind of <\/p>\n

406
\n00:21:59,200 –> 00:22:00,840
\nspeaking.
\nMaybe you go on for three <\/p>\n

407
\n00:22:00,840 –> 00:22:03,080
\nminutes or 4 minutes instead.
\nAnd you go around, you do this <\/p>\n

408
\n00:22:03,080 –> 00:22:06,120
\nfor like 1\/2 an hour, 45
\nminutes, and you end up with the<\/p>\n

409
\n00:22:06,120 –> 00:22:09,600
\nconversation finding itself
\nrather than me coming and just <\/p>\n

410
\n00:22:09,600 –> 00:22:11,560
\ngiving you what I think is
\nrelevant. <\/p>\n

411
\n00:22:11,640 –> 00:22:16,920
\nRelevance emerges.
\nAnd it’s a much I haven’t like. <\/p>\n

412
\n00:22:16,920 –> 00:22:19,320
\nI want to do this more because
\nthe tastes I’ve had of it have <\/p>\n

413
\n00:22:19,320 –> 00:22:20,960
\nbeen really insightful and
\nreally profound. <\/p>\n

414
\n00:22:21,400 –> 00:22:24,040
\nAnd it’s something that I’m
\nadvocating for doing. <\/p>\n

415
\n00:22:24,040 –> 00:22:25,320
\nWe do a little bit of hands
\nworth. <\/p>\n

416
\n00:22:25,320 –> 00:22:27,280
\nI want to do it more, and I find
\nit very compelling. <\/p>\n

417
\n00:22:29,720 –> 00:22:32,480
\nBut a warning is here as well.
\nAs compelling as video games can<\/p>\n

418
\n00:22:32,480 –> 00:22:34,080
\nbe, there’s a trap to be wary
\nof. <\/p>\n

419
\n00:22:34,080 –> 00:22:37,080
\nThey’re addictive. 99% of the
\nskills you develop in them don’t<\/p>\n

420
\n00:22:37,080 –> 00:22:39,760
\ntransfer to real life.
\nYou can master intricate <\/p>\n

421
\n00:22:39,760 –> 00:22:42,760
\nstrategies, overcome immense
\nchallenges, feel like a hero in <\/p>\n

422
\n00:22:42,760 –> 00:22:44,600
\nthe game world.
\nBut when you step away, those <\/p>\n

423
\n00:22:44,600 –> 00:22:47,240
\nskills don’t often equip you to
\nface the complexities of the <\/p>\n

424
\n00:22:47,240 –> 00:22:49,560
\nreal world.
\nAnd as a parallel, I wanted to <\/p>\n

425
\n00:22:49,560 –> 00:22:52,320
\nconsider, have we gamified the
\nBible? <\/p>\n

426
\n00:22:52,640 –> 00:22:55,440
\nSometimes our approach to Bible
\nstudy feels like levelling up in<\/p>\n

427
\n00:22:55,440 –> 00:22:57,600
\na game.
\nWe gain knowledge, cross <\/p>\n

428
\n00:22:57,600 –> 00:22:59,920
\nreferences, historical insights.
\nWe might even feel like <\/p>\n

429
\n00:23:00,040 –> 00:23:03,280
\nspiritual experts ready to face
\nany theological challenge. <\/p>\n

430
\n00:23:03,520 –> 00:23:06,040
\nBut then when we’re called into
\nthe real world, into the <\/p>\n

431
\n00:23:06,040 –> 00:23:09,360
\nworkplaces, our relationships
\nand communities, do we find that<\/p>\n

432
\n00:23:09,360 –> 00:23:11,480
\nthis knowledge translates into
\nwisdom? <\/p>\n

433
\n00:23:11,720 –> 00:23:13,480
\nBecause knowledge is not the
\nsame as wisdom. <\/p>\n

434
\n00:23:13,720 –> 00:23:16,680
\nWe can memorize verses, debate
\ndoctrines, trace prophecies. <\/p>\n

435
\n00:23:16,880 –> 00:23:19,360
\nBut if this doesn’t transform
\nthe way we live, love, and <\/p>\n

436
\n00:23:19,360 –> 00:23:22,320
\nserve, then we’re no better
\nequipped for the real world than<\/p>\n

437
\n00:23:22,320 –> 00:23:25,240
\na gamer who’s maxed out the
\nstats but can’t cook dinner. <\/p>\n

438
\n00:23:26,480 –> 00:23:30,680
\nDinner’s always a important part
\nof this. <\/p>\n

439
\n00:23:30,680 –> 00:23:33,200
\nJesus didn’t just know the Law,
\nHe embodied it. <\/p>\n

440
\n00:23:33,400 –> 00:23:36,480
\nHis wisdom wasn’t locked into
\nstudy rooms or synagogues. <\/p>\n

441
\n00:23:36,480 –> 00:23:39,640
\nIt was active and relational.
\nHe healed the sick, touched the <\/p>\n

442
\n00:23:39,640 –> 00:23:41,560
\nuntouchable, and spoke truth to
\npower. <\/p>\n

443
\n00:23:42,080 –> 00:23:44,360
\nHe lived the Scriptures in a way
\nthat made them profoundly <\/p>\n

444
\n00:23:44,360 –> 00:23:46,040
\nrelevant to everyone he
\nencountered. <\/p>\n

445
\n00:23:47,720 –> 00:23:50,000
\nAnd I think that’s what a
\nlistening exercise does. <\/p>\n

446
\n00:23:50,000 –> 00:23:56,040
\nIt brings our understanding into
\nrelation with other people and <\/p>\n

447
\n00:23:57,240 –> 00:24:01,240
\nmakes us maybe breaks the frame
\nof of what is relevant to us <\/p>\n

448
\n00:24:01,240 –> 00:24:04,400
\nbecause we’re trying to bring
\ninto alignment with other people<\/p>\n

449
\n00:24:04,400 –> 00:24:07,720
\nin the way that they see things.
\nAnd if our job is just to listen<\/p>\n

450
\n00:24:07,720 –> 00:24:11,320
\nback to what they’re saying, not
\nto go, but what about or have <\/p>\n

451
\n00:24:11,320 –> 00:24:14,360
\nyou considered this?
\nYou let the conversation find <\/p>\n

452
\n00:24:14,360 –> 00:24:18,440
\nitself.
\nPaul describes a church <\/p>\n

453
\n00:24:18,440 –> 00:24:20,320
\ngathering where participation is
\nshared. <\/p>\n

454
\n00:24:20,320 –> 00:24:23,160
\nWhat then, brothers?
\nWhen you come together, each one<\/p>\n

455
\n00:24:23,160 –> 00:24:25,720
\nhas a hymn, a lesson, a
\nrevelation, a tongue or an <\/p>\n

456
\n00:24:25,720 –> 00:24:28,760
\ninterpretation.
\nLet all things be done for <\/p>\n

457
\n00:24:28,760 –> 00:24:34,480
\nbuilding up.
\nAnd yeah, the the thing I’m <\/p>\n

458
\n00:24:34,480 –> 00:24:37,040
\nproposing is quite rigid.
\nLike there’s a time to it. <\/p>\n

459
\n00:24:37,040 –> 00:24:39,520
\nThere’s a turn taking to it.
\nBut in the same way that like <\/p>\n

460
\n00:24:40,080 –> 00:24:43,280
\nany practice has to start with a
\nrigid set of training wheels, <\/p>\n

461
\n00:24:44,160 –> 00:24:48,200
\nyour scales, you know, or I
\ndon’t know, other, other <\/p>\n

462
\n00:24:48,200 –> 00:24:50,960
\ncreative practices and things.
\nAnd then you can, they’re <\/p>\n

463
\n00:24:50,960 –> 00:24:53,120
\nliberating structures that allow
\nyou, they, they, they generally <\/p>\n

464
\n00:24:53,120 –> 00:24:56,400
\nallow you to become able to
\nlisten more. <\/p>\n

465
\n00:24:57,000 –> 00:24:59,960
\nAnd it might seem a little bit
\nscary like, well, what, what, <\/p>\n

466
\n00:24:59,960 –> 00:25:02,480
\nwhat will we talk about?
\nWhat’s the, what’s the point of <\/p>\n

467
\n00:25:02,480 –> 00:25:03,440
\nit?
\nAnd, and there’s this kind of <\/p>\n

468
\n00:25:03,440 –> 00:25:05,760
\nthis thing opens up in front of
\nus, which we’re not in control <\/p>\n

469
\n00:25:05,760 –> 00:25:07,240
\nof anymore.
\nWhen we’re allowing the <\/p>\n

470
\n00:25:07,240 –> 00:25:11,800
\nconversation to take charge of
\nwhat’s happening, an empty space<\/p>\n

471
\n00:25:11,800 –> 00:25:14,240
\nopens up.
\nI think that’s deeply spiritual.<\/p>\n

472
\n00:25:14,520 –> 00:25:17,040
\nAnd, and, and the lesson that
\nJesus brings us at his <\/p>\n

473
\n00:25:17,040 –> 00:25:20,520
\ncrucifixion because he steps
\ninto a, into a place that he has<\/p>\n

474
\n00:25:20,520 –> 00:25:23,480
\nno 12 step program for death and
\nresurrection. <\/p>\n

475
\n00:25:23,760 –> 00:25:28,680
\nHe has to move into this
\nopenness with faith that there <\/p>\n

476
\n00:25:28,680 –> 00:25:31,800
\nwill be a transition.
\nHe might not know it, He might <\/p>\n

477
\n00:25:31,800 –> 00:25:35,120
\nnot see it in it’s fullness.
\nHe has understandings of it, I <\/p>\n

478
\n00:25:35,120 –> 00:25:39,320
\nbelieve, but I think he has
\nfaith in God to open and and <\/p>\n

479
\n00:25:39,320 –> 00:25:42,600
\nhold more than death as he goes
\ninto it. <\/p>\n

480
\n00:25:42,640 –> 00:25:51,520
\nLet me just finish with Two
\nTimothy 2 because I think that <\/p>\n

481
\n00:25:51,520 –> 00:25:57,920
\nthat that last part about what a
\ngood teacher is is actually a <\/p>\n

482
\n00:25:57,920 –> 00:26:05,440
\ndescription of somebody that
\nholds space from verse 22. <\/p>\n

483
\n00:26:06,560 –> 00:26:09,040
\nFully youthful passions and
\npursue righteousness, faith, <\/p>\n

484
\n00:26:09,040 –> 00:26:12,760
\nlove and peace along with those
\nwho call on the Lord from a pure<\/p>\n

485
\n00:26:12,760 –> 00:26:15,920
\nheart have nothing to do with
\nfoolish, ignorant controversies.<\/p>\n

486
\n00:26:16,040 –> 00:26:19,240
\nControversies, you know that
\nthey breed quarrels. <\/p>\n

487
\n00:26:19,560 –> 00:26:21,840
\nThis is an important bit.
\nAnd the Lord’s servant must not <\/p>\n

488
\n00:26:21,840 –> 00:26:24,760
\nbe quarrelsome, but kind to
\neveryone, able to teach <\/p>\n

489
\n00:26:24,760 –> 00:26:27,560
\npatiently, enduring evil,
\ncorrecting opponents with <\/p>\n

490
\n00:26:27,560 –> 00:26:29,720
\ngentleness.
\nAnd there’s this kind of <\/p>\n

491
\n00:26:29,920 –> 00:26:36,720
\nframeworks out here of, of what
\na good servant can do, you know,<\/p>\n

492
\n00:26:36,760 –> 00:26:39,200
\npatiently enduring evil.
\nYou might not agree with what <\/p>\n

493
\n00:26:39,200 –> 00:26:41,560
\nthe other person is saying in
\ntheir few minutes. <\/p>\n

494
\n00:26:41,560 –> 00:26:46,280
\nAnd the idea is to hold a space
\nfor even if you don’t believe it<\/p>\n

495
\n00:26:47,200 –> 00:26:51,080
\nin order to kind of maybe let
\nthe conversation inform them <\/p>\n

496
\n00:26:51,800 –> 00:26:54,160
\nbecause because the the
\nimportant bit is that is the <\/p>\n

497
\n00:26:54,160 –> 00:26:57,360
\nnext verse.
\nGod may perhaps grant them <\/p>\n

498
\n00:26:57,360 –> 00:26:59,360
\nrepentance, leading to a
\nknowledge of the truth. <\/p>\n

499
\n00:26:59,520 –> 00:27:04,640
\nIt’s not the, it’s not the duty
\nof the servant to grant them or <\/p>\n

500
\n00:27:04,840 –> 00:27:08,200
\nget them to repent.
\nYou hold the space for <\/p>\n

501
\n00:27:08,200 –> 00:27:11,280
\nrepentance to happen.
\nDoes that make sense? <\/p>\n

502
\n00:27:13,120 –> 00:27:16,320
\nIt’s not for us to say, you
\nknow, to close down the <\/p>\n

503
\n00:27:16,320 –> 00:27:17,640
\nsituation.
\nThere’s a there’s a space <\/p>\n

504
\n00:27:17,640 –> 00:27:19,000
\nopening up here.
\nI don’t know what they’re going <\/p>\n

505
\n00:27:19,000 –> 00:27:20,320
\nto say.
\nOh, no, there’s going to be <\/p>\n

506
\n00:27:20,320 –> 00:27:24,760
\nheresies abounding.
\nIt’s like feed it back to them, <\/p>\n

507
\n00:27:24,920 –> 00:27:28,760
\nbring it back, bring in other
\nvoices, converge where? <\/p>\n

508
\n00:27:28,760 –> 00:27:31,080
\nWhere does it converge?
\nCan you bring it into an <\/p>\n

509
\n00:27:31,080 –> 00:27:34,880
\nalignment not not out of
\ncontrolling them, but out of <\/p>\n

510
\n00:27:34,880 –> 00:27:38,400
\nallowing the conversation to
\nsteer them in the in the right <\/p>\n

511
\n00:27:38,400 –> 00:27:40,040
\ndirection.
\nThe other voices in the group <\/p>\n

512
\n00:27:40,040 –> 00:27:43,880
\nthat might bring about this
\nconvergence and God may bring <\/p>\n

513
\n00:27:44,520 –> 00:27:50,080
\nthe repentance.
\nI feel that’s what Jesus does in<\/p>\n

514
\n00:27:50,080 –> 00:27:51,800
\nhis ministry at every, every
\nstep. <\/p>\n

515
\n00:27:53,600 –> 00:27:56,680
\nObviously there’s there’s
\ninstances of, of taking control <\/p>\n

516
\n00:27:56,680 –> 00:28:00,520
\nin the temple, but it’s often
\nlike bringing another question, <\/p>\n

517
\n00:28:01,200 –> 00:28:07,000
\nopening up in his response to
\nthem to allow the work to be <\/p>\n

518
\n00:28:07,000 –> 00:28:10,200
\ndone like between them, not in a
\ntop down kind of way, but in <\/p>\n

519
\n00:28:10,200 –> 00:28:13,840
\nlike a bottom up kind of a way
\nwhere it emerges, the relevance <\/p>\n

520
\n00:28:13,920 –> 00:28:18,720
\nemerges and the answers emerge.
\nOK, I’m never good at ending my <\/p>\n

521
\n00:28:18,720 –> 00:28:20,440
\ntalks.
\nThis is kind of where I’m at at <\/p>\n

522
\n00:28:20,440 –> 00:28:24,080
\nthe end of it.
\nWell, I also like to is there <\/p>\n

523
\n00:28:24,080 –> 00:28:26,440
\nanything like feeding back this
\nway? <\/p>\n

524
\n00:28:26,680 –> 00:28:29,800
\nIt has been a monologue, like
\nwhere where is there anything <\/p>\n

525
\n00:28:29,800 –> 00:28:31,480
\nthat you might want to throw
\nback at me just for a few <\/p>\n

526
\n00:28:31,480 –> 00:28:34,640
\nminutes to to conclude and bring
\nit to an end? <\/p>\n

527
\n00:28:36,360 –> 00:28:38,000
\nYeah, this is very easy to
\ncontrol, isn’t it? <\/p>\n

528
\n00:28:38,000 –> 00:28:41,480
\nI mean, you can be thinking
\nwhatever you want in in the <\/p>\n

529
\n00:28:41,480 –> 00:28:44,560
\nseats there, but it looks like
\nwe’re all in like unity, like <\/p>\n

530
\n00:28:44,840 –> 00:28:48,240
\nthere’s like socially it’s
\neasier in many ways. <\/p>\n

531
\n00:28:48,240 –> 00:28:52,640
\nAnd, and, and sometimes that
\nenergy gradient the other way <\/p>\n

532
\n00:28:53,120 –> 00:28:56,880
\nis, is a little up uphill
\ntowards kind of, and, and it’s <\/p>\n

533
\n00:28:56,880 –> 00:28:59,880
\nmore vulnerable as well because
\nyou have to kind of open up and,<\/p>\n

534
\n00:29:00,360 –> 00:29:04,480
\nand, and be, I think that the
\nlisting container holds that <\/p>\n

535
\n00:29:04,480 –> 00:29:06,800
\nnicely.
\nLike your job is just to repeat <\/p>\n

536
\n00:29:06,800 –> 00:29:09,480
\nback what the other person says.
\nAnd, and when they get that, oh,<\/p>\n

537
\n00:29:09,480 –> 00:29:13,960
\nI’m just being listened to, this
\nis nice, this is unusual. <\/p>\n

538
\n00:29:14,280 –> 00:29:16,000
\nThen it’s like, then more comes
\nout. <\/p>\n

539
\n00:29:16,000 –> 00:29:18,080
\nThey might start with, I don’t,
\nI don’t really have anything to <\/p>\n

540
\n00:29:18,080 –> 00:29:19,920
\nsay.
\nI hear you saying you’ve not got<\/p>\n

541
\n00:29:19,920 –> 00:29:21,960
\nmuch to say about this.
\nYeah. <\/p>\n

542
\n00:29:21,960 –> 00:29:25,520
\nBut you know, like just that
\nbeginning of of that kind of <\/p>\n

543
\n00:29:25,920 –> 00:29:29,400
\nholding space for them not
\nhaving anything to say is like a<\/p>\n

544
\n00:29:29,400 –> 00:29:31,240
\nprofound thing.
\nIt’s like that’s OK. <\/p>\n

545
\n00:29:31,240 –> 00:29:33,320
\nLike you’re saying no judgement
\ninvolved in it. <\/p>\n

546
\n00:29:33,320 –> 00:29:36,120
\nAnd in this kind of thing, it
\nstarts to then generate and we <\/p>\n

547
\n00:29:36,120 –> 00:29:37,880
\nget practiced at it.
\nIt becomes really profound, I <\/p>\n

548
\n00:29:37,880 –> 00:29:39,400
\nthink.
\nYeah, Yeah. <\/p>\n

549
\n00:29:39,400 –> 00:29:41,520
\nGood.
\nYeah, it just starts. <\/p>\n

550
\n00:29:42,280 –> 00:29:45,440
\nYeah, I can imagine trying to
\nhold space to someone who’s <\/p>\n

551
\n00:29:45,440 –> 00:29:49,080
\nlike, well, I think the Earth’s
\nflat and that it’s really <\/p>\n

552
\n00:29:49,080 –> 00:29:51,560
\ntricky.
\nLike if you if you’re OK, right,<\/p>\n

553
\n00:29:52,320 –> 00:29:54,480
\nhave to kind of and it feels
\nlike you’re entertaining an idea<\/p>\n

554
\n00:29:54,480 –> 00:29:57,640
\nthat’s.
\nBut if you just there is there’s<\/p>\n

555
\n00:29:57,680 –> 00:30:00,880
\nlike an intrinsic thing to it
\nwhere you’re repeating back what<\/p>\n

556
\n00:30:00,880 –> 00:30:04,680
\nthey’re saying.
\nAnd, and sometimes and that’s <\/p>\n

557
\n00:30:04,680 –> 00:30:05,840
\nthe thing.
\nYou’re not trying to control <\/p>\n

558
\n00:30:05,840 –> 00:30:07,680
\nwhere it’s going.
\nYou’re not trying to go, well, <\/p>\n

559
\n00:30:07,760 –> 00:30:09,880
\nyou know, I’ve got I’ve got
\nthese facts for you. <\/p>\n

560
\n00:30:09,880 –> 00:30:13,040
\nYou’ll have your turn to speak,
\nbut you’re not trying to control<\/p>\n

561
\n00:30:13,080 –> 00:30:14,880
\nyour you’re.
\nYeah. <\/p>\n

562
\n00:30:14,880 –> 00:30:16,400
\nAnd it’s like it’s letting go.
\nAnd I feel like it’s this <\/p>\n

563
\n00:30:16,400 –> 00:30:19,880
\nemptying of yourself to be in
\ncontrol of the situation, and <\/p>\n

564
\n00:30:19,880 –> 00:30:23,160
\nthen something else can take
\ncontrol of it. <\/p>\n

565
\n00:30:23,920 –> 00:30:26,960
\nYes.
\nSo Tom, coming from someone <\/p>\n

566
\n00:30:26,960 –> 00:30:31,480
\nonline, you would need to find a
\nway to make it work online. <\/p>\n

567
\n00:30:32,160 –> 00:30:34,120
\nOh yes.
\nWell, yeah. <\/p>\n

568
\n00:30:34,880 –> 00:30:38,960
\nAnd I’d much rather try.
\nAnd yeah, that’s tricky. <\/p>\n

569
\n00:30:39,720 –> 00:30:42,360
\nYou, you need, you need a
\nfacilitator who can use Zoom to <\/p>\n

570
\n00:30:42,560 –> 00:30:47,120
\ndo breakout groups and, and
\nconduct the whole thing in <\/p>\n

571
\n00:30:47,120 –> 00:30:52,000
\nharmony in, in a way that is
\nbecause it can be very clunky. <\/p>\n

572
\n00:30:52,000 –> 00:30:56,120
\nAnd that’s why coming together
\nin person to do listening is I <\/p>\n

573
\n00:30:56,120 –> 00:30:59,680
\nthink really, really important.
\nAnd, and, and it presents an <\/p>\n

574
\n00:30:59,680 –> 00:31:03,240
\nargument then for localising
\nyourself amongst a community of <\/p>\n

575
\n00:31:03,240 –> 00:31:07,760
\npeople you can be with again,
\nwhich I think we’ve lost a lot <\/p>\n

576
\n00:31:07,760 –> 00:31:09,920
\nof.
\nSo there’s no easy answer to <\/p>\n

577
\n00:31:09,920 –> 00:31:12,000
\nthat unless you’ve got some
\nWizards who are able to <\/p>\n

578
\n00:31:12,520 –> 00:31:14,560
\nfacilitate it very, very well
\nand seamlessly. <\/p>\n

579
\n00:31:15,840 –> 00:31:19,920
\nSo just bring it then back to,
\nto, to Christ with, for me, the <\/p>\n

580
\n00:31:19,920 –> 00:31:22,960
\nprofoundness of stepping into
\nthat unknown. <\/p>\n

581
\n00:31:23,280 –> 00:31:27,280
\nWe, we’re talking about a
\nmicrocosm level of between us as<\/p>\n

582
\n00:31:27,280 –> 00:31:29,840
\nthese unknowns and we have to
\nlike step into those unknowns <\/p>\n

583
\n00:31:29,880 –> 00:31:34,000
\nand, and not try and hold, hold
\non to it with, you know, <\/p>\n

584
\n00:31:34,000 –> 00:31:38,120
\ngrabbing hands.
\nBut Jesus just let’s go into it <\/p>\n

585
\n00:31:38,120 –> 00:31:43,560
\nand knowing that God has a, a, a
\ngreater coherence, a greater <\/p>\n

586
\n00:31:43,720 –> 00:31:47,640
\nconvergence beyond what we can
\nsee and, and, and know beyond <\/p>\n

587
\n00:31:47,640 –> 00:31:52,520
\ndeath that will hold, hold it,
\nwhich is obviously great faith. <\/p>\n

588
\n00:31:52,680 –> 00:31:56,240
\nIt’s extremely easy to say that
\nand very hard to put into <\/p>\n

589
\n00:31:56,240 –> 00:31:58,520
\npractice, but I think one of the
\nplaces we can put into practice <\/p>\n

590
\n00:31:58,520 –> 00:32:02,240
\nis between people and the
\nconversations that we have. <\/p>\n

591
\n00:32:02,320 –> 00:32:04,800
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\nlistening. <\/p>\n

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326: Tom Peel – Convergence & Coherence<\/a><\/blockquote>