{"id":1097,"date":"2024-04-21T18:59:20","date_gmt":"2024-04-21T18:59:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/goodchristadelphiantalks.com\/index.php\/podcast\/292-colin-badger-how-sure-are-the-foundations\/"},"modified":"2026-07-14T06:47:30","modified_gmt":"2026-07-14T06:47:30","slug":"292-colin-badger-how-sure-are-the-foundations","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/goodchristadelphiantalks.com\/index.php\/podcast\/292-colin-badger-how-sure-are-the-foundations\/","title":{"rendered":"292: Colin Badger – How Sure Are the Foundations?"},"content":{"rendered":"

This week we are listening to a public lecture that was given at the Glendale, CA Ecclesia on January 19, 1985 by Brother Colin Badger titled \u201cHow Sure Are the Foundations?\u201d.<\/p>\n

We hope this strengthens your Faith and brightens your day!<\/p>\n

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\nWelcome to good Chris selfie and
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\nI’m Levi.
\nAnd I’m Chris, and I’m Brian, <\/p>\n

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\nthank you for joining us this
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\nOn this podcast, we select one
\ntalk a week to help us get the <\/p>\n

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\nBible in our Daily News feed.
\nWe post a new episode at the <\/p>\n

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\nstart of each week, with a short
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\nthe stage for the talk you’re
\nabout to listen to. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd now let’s talk more about
\nthis week’s talk. <\/p>\n

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\nThis week’s talk is a public
\nlecture that was given at the <\/p>\n

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\nGlendale Ecclesia here in
\nCalifornia. <\/p>\n

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\nIt must be in the early 80s.
\nI think it’s 198182 range by <\/p>\n

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\nColin Badger from Ontario.
\nSo he was on a, a visit here in <\/p>\n

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\nSouthern California.
\nThis was really a fun talk to <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s a, it’s kind of a style <\/p>\n

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\nthat we don’t do anymore, being
\nsuch an overt public lecture, <\/p>\n

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\nyou know, clearly on theology
\nand the difference in Catholic <\/p>\n

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\ntheology.
\nA fun thing that we’re including<\/p>\n

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\nis Brother Bob Lloyd, who
\nattended the Glendale Collegia <\/p>\n

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\nat the time, does the is the
\npresider. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd so we’re going to include
\nhis remarks. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd there’s there’s he has a
\nsome wrap up thoughts after the <\/p>\n

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\ntalk as well.
\nHe refers to a hymn in a prayer,<\/p>\n

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\nbut the recording didn’t include
\nthe hymn. <\/p>\n

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\nWe will be keeping the closing
\nprayer by Brother Bob. <\/p>\n

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\nSo, yeah, again, this was a very
\nfun lesson because it’s a very <\/p>\n

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\ndifferent style than what we
\nusually run on the show and <\/p>\n

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\nobviously kind of a piece of our
\nof our history being this is <\/p>\n

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\nnearly 45 years old.
\nThe brother Colin does a really <\/p>\n

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\ngood, good job kind of running
\nthrough some Catholic writings <\/p>\n

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\nand they’re in congruence with
\nScripture. <\/p>\n

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\nHe also spends a lot of time
\ntalking about how tradition or <\/p>\n

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\noral tradition cannot be or
\nshould not be equated or ever <\/p>\n

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\nsuperseding scripture.
\nAnd there’s some really <\/p>\n

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\ninteresting verses there which
\nwhich I really enjoyed. <\/p>\n

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\nSo very happy to share this
\ntalk. <\/p>\n

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\nBrother Colin Badger, how sure
\nare your foundations? <\/p>\n

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\nGoing to engage our attention
\ntonight is actually a question. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s not a statement.
\nThe question is how sure are the<\/p>\n

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\nfoundation?
\nWe’re appealing to you to <\/p>\n

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\nexamine your foundation to see
\nhow sure they are. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd it’s our pleasure to call on
\nour friend and brother, Mr. <\/p>\n

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\nColin Badger from Toronto, ON,
\nCanada, who will bring us this <\/p>\n

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\nimportant Bible lecture.
\nIncidentally, following the <\/p>\n

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\nlecture, there will be
\nopportunity for questions from <\/p>\n

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\nthe floor or they may be
\nwritten. <\/p>\n

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\nYou have a card in your little
\nbook, you’ll write a question on<\/p>\n

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\nthat.
\nThey can be sent forward or you <\/p>\n

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\nmay ask it verbally at the
\nconclusion of the address if you<\/p>\n

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\nso desire.
\nAlso, you may see him afterwards<\/p>\n

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\nprivately to engage in a one to
\none conversation. <\/p>\n

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\nHe’s pleased to do that.
\nSo now we call on our Mr. Badger<\/p>\n

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\nto bring us this lecture.
\nGood evening, ladies and <\/p>\n

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\ngentlemen.
\nIt’s encouraging to find the <\/p>\n

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\nnumber of people this evening
\nthat are interested enough on a <\/p>\n

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\ntopic such as this that he will
\ncome out and spend part of an <\/p>\n

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\nevening with you, with us
\nrather. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd we are encouraged that
\npeople are willing to examine <\/p>\n

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\nsome of the foundations for
\ntheir faith and to open the <\/p>\n

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\nBible with us this evening and
\nconsider how sure the <\/p>\n

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\nfoundations are.
\nIf one looks out in the world <\/p>\n

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\ntoday.
\nSuch a topic as we have selected<\/p>\n

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\nthis evening, an examination of
\na particular religion or an <\/p>\n

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\nexamination of a particular form
\nof conviction, it is viewed by <\/p>\n

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\nmany as being rather narrow.
\nIt’s viewed even by some as <\/p>\n

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\nbeing rather an unchrist like
\nkind of examination. <\/p>\n

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\nWe understand that kind of
\nfeeling is there among many, <\/p>\n

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\nmany people.
\nBut if one sets Christ and his <\/p>\n

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\napostle as the standard for
\nChristian conduct and approach, <\/p>\n

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\none finds that the apostle Paul
\nand the other apostles encourage<\/p>\n

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\npeople, and that includes
\nChristadelphines, of course, to <\/p>\n

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\nconsider the very basis of their
\nfaith time and time again, not <\/p>\n

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\njust once in life.
\nThere is a section in the New <\/p>\n

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\nTestament from the book of
\nCorinthians where the apostle <\/p>\n

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\nPaul wrote, and he asked them to
\nexamine their convictions. <\/p>\n

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\nHe wrote a similar passage in
\nthe book of Timothy. <\/p>\n

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\nWe’ll look at the one from
\nTimothy, or at least quote it <\/p>\n

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\nfirst, and then we’ll look at
\nthe passage from the <\/p>\n

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\nCorinthians.
\nPaul said to the young man. <\/p>\n

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\nTimothy and the 2nd Epistle,
\nchapter 4. <\/p>\n

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\nBefore God.
\nPaul appealed to Timothy and <\/p>\n

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\nbefore Christ Jesus, who is the
\njudge of men living and dead. <\/p>\n

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\nI charge you solemnly by his
\ncoming appearance and his reign.<\/p>\n

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\nProclaim the message.
\nPress at home on all occasions, <\/p>\n

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\nconvenient or inconvenient.
\nUse argument, reprove and appeal<\/p>\n

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\nwith all the patience that the
\nwork of teaching requires. <\/p>\n

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\nThat’s taken from the New
\nEnglish Bible. <\/p>\n

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\nThat’s in Second Timothy,
\nchapter 4. <\/p>\n

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\nIt’s in the spirit of the
\nApostle Paul’s appeal that true <\/p>\n

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\nChristians should be willing to
\nappeal to others. <\/p>\n

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\nOur appeal, therefore, is
\noffered this evening. <\/p>\n

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\nLadies and gentlemen, in the
\nspirit of those words, there’s <\/p>\n

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\nanother passage I mentioned in
\nSecond Corinthians. <\/p>\n

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\nWe’ll put this on the overhead
\nSecond Corinthians chapter 13, <\/p>\n

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\nverse 5.
\nPaul wrote to a group of already<\/p>\n

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\nconvinced professing Christians.
\nExamine yourselves whether ye be<\/p>\n

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\nin the faith.
\nExamine yourselves whether ye be<\/p>\n

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\nin the faith.
\nProve your own self. <\/p>\n

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\nNow keep in mind, this was
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\ncommunity.
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\nChristians.
\nIt was not contrary, therefore <\/p>\n

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\nto the spirit of the apostles or
\nto the Spirit of Christ for <\/p>\n

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\npeople who already felt that
\nthey were secure Christians to <\/p>\n

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\nstill keep open their minds and
\nhearts to a critical self <\/p>\n

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\nexamination and to appeal to
\nothers as Paul was to do the <\/p>\n

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\nsame.
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\nand it is not an unprice like
\nthing to do to appeal to <\/p>\n

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\nourselves and to fellow
\nprofessing Christians to <\/p>\n

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\nconsider the basis of their
\nconvictions, whether they are <\/p>\n

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\nfirm and sure.
\nThank you. <\/p>\n

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\nThere is another passage in the
\nNew Testament that strikes a <\/p>\n

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\nvery similar note.
\nPerhaps you’re familiar with it.<\/p>\n

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\nIt’s in the book of Jude, in
\nthat little tiny book which <\/p>\n

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\nreally has only one chapter,
\nJude three and four. <\/p>\n

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\nAnother apostle wrote this, and
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\nBible.
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\nwrites Jude, to write at once
\nand appeal to you to join the <\/p>\n

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\nstruggle in defense of the
\nfaith, the faith which God <\/p>\n

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\nentrusted to his people once and
\nfor all. <\/p>\n

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\nYou see the Spirit that’s behind
\nthose words, like those behind <\/p>\n

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\nPaul’s.
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\nto try and go forward to people,
\nencourage people to examine the <\/p>\n

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\nfoundations of their convictions
\nand to apply that equally to <\/p>\n

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\noneself.
\nIt is in the Spirit of Christ to<\/p>\n

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\ncontend earnestly for the faith.
\nContention is regarded by many <\/p>\n

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\npeople in the outside in a very
\nnegative thing. <\/p>\n

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\nIn the New Testament the word
\ncontention is used a number of <\/p>\n

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\ntimes in a Christ like context.
\nAs long as the motives are right<\/p>\n

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\nand the approach is Christ like,
\ncontending for the faith is <\/p>\n

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\nsomething a Christian ought to
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\nthe right spirit.
\nWe notice also that Jews speaks <\/p>\n

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\nof something he terms the faith
\nhe had a kind of, it would say, <\/p>\n

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\nexclusive definition of faith.
\nHe didn’t refer to simply <\/p>\n

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\nChristian faith in general.
\nHe used the definite article <\/p>\n

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\ncontending earnestly for the
\nfaith that was once entrusted to<\/p>\n

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\nhis people once and for all.
\nYou know, that’s quite a <\/p>\n

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\ncontrast to the spirit that is
\ntypical in the world today, even<\/p>\n

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\namongst people who are
\nprofessing Christians. <\/p>\n

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\nThe apostles, you see, held to
\nsomething which they called in <\/p>\n

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\nan exclusive sense, the faith.
\nAnd moreover, the apostles, as <\/p>\n

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\nwe can see in the Acts and in
\nthese writings of the early <\/p>\n

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\nChristian community, the
\napostles enjoin true believers <\/p>\n

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\nto join in the struggle for the
\ndefense of the faith. <\/p>\n

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\nAlthough that’s regarded perhaps
\nas being rather negative <\/p>\n

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\nterminology, it is the inspired
\nterminology of your New <\/p>\n

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\nTestament.
\nA vigorous direct approach with <\/p>\n

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\nan appeal to return to the faith
\nas it was first delivered was in<\/p>\n

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\nfact the posture of the first
\napostles who preached on the <\/p>\n

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\nface of this earth following
\ntheir Masters example. <\/p>\n

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\nSo that if today such an
\napproach is regarded as being <\/p>\n

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\nnarrow or unprice like, it is
\nonly because the example of <\/p>\n

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\nChrist and the apostles in their
\nNew Testament preaching is <\/p>\n

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\nignored.
\nNew Testament appeals such as <\/p>\n

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\nthe ones we’ve just looked at
\nshould then make it obvious that<\/p>\n

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\nsuch an appeal for self
\nexamination is legitimate. <\/p>\n

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\nIn fact, since we are
\nconsidering the Catholic <\/p>\n

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\ncommunity and some of their
\nconvictions, it’s I suppose, in <\/p>\n

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\nkeeping with such a spirit that
\nwe find a pamphlet such as this <\/p>\n

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\npublished by the Knights of
\nColumbus with official <\/p>\n

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\nendorsement of the Catholic
\nChurch, offered quite often in <\/p>\n

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\nTime magazine.
\nWhere I found the advertisement <\/p>\n

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\nand the address I wrote to was
\nin New Haven, CT. <\/p>\n

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\nThis is a Catholic brochure for
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\nIt’s entitled Some Beliefs have
\nGot to be Wrong. <\/p>\n

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\nWe would concur with that.
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\npamphlet is an appeal to a
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\nvery small community that have
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\ncommunity.
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\nexamining in detail the
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\ncommunity and making an appeal
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\nfoundations of their faith.
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\nCatholic community itself feels
\nthat this is not on Christ like,<\/p>\n

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\nand it’s in the same spirit of
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\nmake our appeal to the Catholic
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\nWe might ask a further question
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\nevening.
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\nparticular at this time to the
\nRoman Catholic community? <\/p>\n

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\nWell, really, when you think
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\nhistory of this country and the
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\nthere been a time when the
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\neyes of the public as much as it
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\nMainly because of the present
\nPope visitation to both Canada <\/p>\n

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\nand the United States, and
\nbecause the Catholic community <\/p>\n

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\nand its convictions and the head
\nof its Church have received such<\/p>\n

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\npublic concern and such public
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\nWe feel that it is time this
\nevening, and it is timely when <\/p>\n

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\nwe’re, for example, talking to
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\nCatholics, to discuss the basis
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\nRoman Catholics, especially at
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\ncarefully in the Bible the basis
\nof their convictions. <\/p>\n

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\nWell, that’s one reason why we
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\nRoman Catholics in particular at
\nthis time. <\/p>\n

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\nBut perhaps there’s a more
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\nthat.
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\nthe Catholic Church does make a
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\nfor herself as a church.
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\nunparalleled in any other church
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\nIf those claims are correct,
\nthen there are many people who <\/p>\n

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\nare professing Christians that
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\nOn the other hand, since the
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\nembraces so many people, if in
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\ncommunity of a Catholic Church
\nis itself on questionable <\/p>\n

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\ngrounds, the situation is
\nequally tragic. <\/p>\n

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\nAnd since we as Christadelphians
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\nfrom an examination of the Bible
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\nindeed a stray from Bible
\nteaching, we feel as professing <\/p>\n

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\nChristians that we would be
\nsadly astray to neglect a <\/p>\n

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\nresponsibility to make an appeal
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\nSo it is in the spirit of those
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\nalready, ladies and gentlemen,
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\nnumber of very unique claims
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\nminister on her behalf.
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\nspecific about what we mean now.
\nCould we have our first <\/p>\n

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\noverhead?
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\nGoing to quote from a current
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\nIt is written by John O’Brien
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\nwas rather.
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\nfinished the last edition of his
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\nJohn O’Brien wrote The Faith of
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\nSince it has gone through free
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\nperhaps one of the most popular
\nCatholic appeals to the non <\/p>\n

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\nCatholic.
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\nCatholics.
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\nor to non Catholics.
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\nwhat they would regard from the
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\nwho are not Catholics.
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\nfull approval or authority from
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\nNow when we say that we should
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\nInside certain Catholic pieces
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\nwhat we call the imprimatur.
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\napproval that it has been
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\nrepresentatives of the Catholic
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\nterms of the basics of moral and
\nteaching for the Catholic <\/p>\n

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\ncommunity.
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\napproval that goes with the
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\nAbsa.
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\napproval are attached to all the
\nliterature that we recently <\/p>\n

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\nreferred to.
\nThe feeding. <\/p>\n

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\nAny Catholic literature that I
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\nauthority so that it is as
\nrepresentative as literature can<\/p>\n

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\nbe of the Catholic community.
\nWell, John O’Brien wrote this in<\/p>\n

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\none of his earlier editions of
\nthe Faith of Millions. <\/p>\n

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\nThe voice of history shows at a
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\nis the only Church in the world
\ntoday which traces their origin <\/p>\n

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\nback to Christ.
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\nfounded by Christ, while all
\nother churches were established <\/p>\n

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\nby men.
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\nThat’s the kind of claim we’re
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\nIt is, we would say, a claim for
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\nauthority.
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\npedigree that goes back to the
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\nPeter himself.
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\ncatechisms in the United States
\ntoday, written by Lawler and <\/p>\n

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\nLawler, two brothers, both of
\nwhom are Roman Catholics, of <\/p>\n

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\ncourse, is called The Teaching
\nof Christ. <\/p>\n

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\nSince its first publication, it
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\nlanguages all over the Latin
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\nIt is a current up to
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\nInframatter and Nilhilabsta.
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\nteaching of Roman Catholics.
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\nrather pointed quotation
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\nLawler writes.
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\nsee that the Church asks for
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\nIt is to understand that when a
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\nis Christ who gives us the
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\nThat is a very important and
\ncertainly a rather unique claim <\/p>\n

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\nfor those who minister on behalf
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\nBut it does illustrate for us
\nthe kind of privilege or the <\/p>\n

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\nkind of authority that we’re
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\nkind of a question of authority
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\nto examine this evening.
\nThere’s another quotation we <\/p>\n

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\nwould like to share.
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\ncurrent catechism.
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\nsalvation.
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\naware of the fact that the
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\nnecessary by God through Jesus
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\nenter her or persevere in her
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\nNow that is simply a logical
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\nstatements from authoritative
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\nwith the unique authority
\nplaying for the Catholic Church,<\/p>\n

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\nand they are in accord with the
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\npopes going right back to the
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\nexample, Pope Boniface the 8th.
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\nquotation we’re referring to.
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\nfollows.
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\nThe farm pronounced it to be of
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\nhuman creature to be subject to
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\nAnd that is taken as a citation
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\nBiblical Theological and
\nEcclesiastical Literature, the <\/p>\n

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\n69 edition.
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\ndeclared there, seems to be
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\nfind in modern current Catholic
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\nThat kind of statement again
\nreinforces the kind of position <\/p>\n

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\nthat we’re concerned about and
\nwant to focus on this evening. <\/p>\n

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\nSuch claims as these for
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\nestablish really the very
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\nconviction and the Catholic
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\nAnd we’ve said before, if these
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\nspecial authority are correct,
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\nChristians are sadly astray.
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\nare incorrect and do not
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\nteaching, then there is an
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\nsituation.
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\nto be central to our
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\nWe’re not going to consider all
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\nsome variants.
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\nparticular area since it’s so
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\nWe could state it this way quite
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\nCatholic understanding of its
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\nendorsed by God himself, if they
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\nDivine revelation.
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\nfor Roman Catholics to
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\nwe leave the verdict, the
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\nconsider that sincerely in the
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\nthe Bible.
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\nwhat exactly are we driving at
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\nWell, our contention is, ladies
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\npractices are either
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\nrevelation in the Bible, or they
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\nclear biblical basis.
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\nAnd yet, since they are so very
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\nwe believe we have every reason
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\nappraisal of them.
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\nchartered for ourselves this
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\nLet me illustrate what
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\nreferring to.
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\ndeny that the seven sacraments
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\na Catholic community.
\nAnyone who is red Catholic or <\/p>\n

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\nnot anything about the Catholic
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\nwe’d be impressed about the
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\nsacraments.
\nThey could be termed really the <\/p>\n

334
\n00:21:50,440 –> 00:21:54,440
\nseven fundamentals.
\nWe’re referring specifically to <\/p>\n

335
\n00:21:54,440 –> 00:21:58,960
\nthe sacrament of baptism,
\nconfirmation, marriage, <\/p>\n

336
\n00:21:59,640 –> 00:22:05,120
\nextremumction, priesthood
\npenance, and the sacrament of <\/p>\n

337
\n00:22:05,120 –> 00:22:09,240
\nthe Eucharist.
\nNow we might add, by what <\/p>\n

338
\n00:22:09,240 –> 00:22:14,280
\nauthority, by what authority are
\nthose seven sacraments <\/p>\n

339
\n00:22:14,720 –> 00:22:17,360
\nestablished as Catholic
\nfundamentals? <\/p>\n

340
\n00:22:18,400 –> 00:22:22,560
\nTwo of the sacraments that we
\njust listed provide pointed <\/p>\n

341
\n00:22:22,560 –> 00:22:26,040
\nillustration.
\nWe believe for discussion this <\/p>\n

342
\n00:22:26,040 –> 00:22:31,280
\nevening, the right of
\nconfirmation as one, and the <\/p>\n

343
\n00:22:31,280 –> 00:22:35,720
\npractice of the sacrament of
\nbaptism in the way the sacrament<\/p>\n

344
\n00:22:35,760 –> 00:22:38,040
\nis practiced.
\nWe’d like just to look at those <\/p>\n

345
\n00:22:38,040 –> 00:22:40,480
\ntwo.
\nFirst of all, I’m going to quote<\/p>\n

346
\n00:22:40,480 –> 00:22:44,160
\nagain from Lawler’s current
\nCatholic Catechism. <\/p>\n

347
\n00:22:44,480 –> 00:22:47,320
\nIt’s not the only catechism, but
\nit provides an illustration. <\/p>\n

348
\n00:22:48,200 –> 00:22:52,160
\nThis is the 1983 edition, page
\n462. <\/p>\n

349
\n00:22:53,480 –> 00:22:58,520
\nNot everything the Church
\nbelieves is explicitly <\/p>\n

350
\n00:22:58,520 –> 00:23:00,680
\narticulated in abstract
\nstatement. <\/p>\n

351
\n00:23:03,080 –> 00:23:09,800
\nThe faith can be embodied in its
\nattitudes and right before it is<\/p>\n

352
\n00:23:10,040 –> 00:23:13,560
\nexplicitly formulated.
\nThis is certainly the case with <\/p>\n

353
\n00:23:13,560 –> 00:23:20,480
\nthe Sacrament of Confirmation.
\nThe Gospels contain no direct <\/p>\n

354
\n00:23:20,680 –> 00:23:25,640
\nteaching on it as they do the
\nEucharist, Baptism and <\/p>\n

355
\n00:23:26,000 –> 00:23:30,120
\nrepentance.
\nNow that we believe, is a very <\/p>\n

356
\n00:23:30,120 –> 00:23:34,640
\nimportant statement to weigh.
\nHere we have one of the seven <\/p>\n

357
\n00:23:34,640 –> 00:23:38,320
\nsacraments of the Catholic
\ncommunity granted by all <\/p>\n

358
\n00:23:38,320 –> 00:23:42,360
\nCatholics as being very
\nfundamental at the centre and <\/p>\n

359
\n00:23:42,360 –> 00:23:44,680
\ncore of their community, part of
\ntheir foundation. <\/p>\n

360
\n00:23:45,280 –> 00:23:48,560
\nAnd yet in our current
\nCatechism, with full approval of<\/p>\n

361
\n00:23:48,560 –> 00:23:52,840
\nthe Church, the admission is
\nmade that there is, and again we<\/p>\n

362
\n00:23:52,840 –> 00:23:57,480
\nquote in the Gospel, no direct
\nteaching on one of these <\/p>\n

363
\n00:23:57,480 –> 00:24:02,800
\nsacraments.
\nNow what we believe is that the <\/p>\n

364
\n00:24:02,800 –> 00:24:05,640
\nBible should be brought into our
\nconcern. <\/p>\n

365
\n00:24:05,640 –> 00:24:10,040
\nHere we find that as
\nChristadelphians, as students of<\/p>\n

366
\n00:24:10,040 –> 00:24:14,040
\nthe Bible, to be a rather
\nalarming admission or statement.<\/p>\n

367
\n00:24:14,520 –> 00:24:16,920
\nWe would like to consider that
\nalong with a few others this <\/p>\n

368
\n00:24:16,920 –> 00:24:20,840
\nevening.
\nYou notice something else that <\/p>\n

369
\n00:24:20,840 –> 00:24:25,200
\nis said, that not everything the
\nchurch believes is explicitly <\/p>\n

370
\n00:24:25,280 –> 00:24:30,200
\narticulated in abstract Satan,
\nThe faith can be embodied in its<\/p>\n

371
\n00:24:30,280 –> 00:24:34,400
\nattitudes and rites before it is
\nexplicitly formulated. <\/p>\n

372
\n00:24:35,720 –> 00:24:38,280
\nNow the Bible, we believe as we
\nlook at it this evening, and <\/p>\n

373
\n00:24:38,280 –> 00:24:42,240
\nwe’ll share this with you, seems
\nto stress one very clear and <\/p>\n

374
\n00:24:42,240 –> 00:24:44,960
\nobvious principle from the words
\nof Christ, his example of <\/p>\n

375
\n00:24:44,960 –> 00:24:48,320
\nteaching and from the example of
\nthe apostles, that anything that<\/p>\n

376
\n00:24:48,320 –> 00:24:51,560
\nis basic to to salvation,
\nanything that is foundational <\/p>\n

377
\n00:24:52,080 –> 00:24:56,440
\ncan be expected indeed to be
\nfound explicitly and clearly in <\/p>\n

378
\n00:24:56,440 –> 00:24:59,920
\nthe Bible.
\nSo we would take issue with that<\/p>\n

379
\n00:25:00,880 –> 00:25:02,600
\ntemporarily.
\nLet’s look at another quote. <\/p>\n

380
\n00:25:05,000 –> 00:25:07,480
\nPerhaps we could just put up one
\nmore quotation. <\/p>\n

381
\n00:25:08,320 –> 00:25:13,520
\nThis is from page 458.
\nYou got that one. <\/p>\n

382
\n00:25:13,720 –> 00:25:18,640
\nWe got that up there.
\nSee, I’m looking at the church <\/p>\n

383
\n00:25:18,640 –> 00:25:21,880
\nhas solemnly defined.
\nI want that one. <\/p>\n

384
\n00:25:21,880 –> 00:25:23,800
\nAll right, I’ll quote it then.
\nSorry, I thought we had that <\/p>\n

385
\n00:25:23,800 –> 00:25:25,520
\none.
\nPage 458. <\/p>\n

386
\n00:25:25,600 –> 00:25:29,440
\nLadies and gentlemen of the same
\ncatechism, Lawler writes. <\/p>\n

387
\n00:25:29,920 –> 00:25:36,120
\nThe Church has solemnly defined
\nthe validity of infant baptism. <\/p>\n

388
\n00:25:37,080 –> 00:25:42,520
\nIn fact, the Church law commands
\nCatholics to have their children<\/p>\n

389
\n00:25:42,520 –> 00:25:46,120
\nbaptized within the first weeks
\nafter birth. <\/p>\n

390
\n00:25:47,440 –> 00:25:52,240
\nIn any case, Lawler writes,
\ninfant baptism clearly was <\/p>\n

391
\n00:25:52,240 –> 00:25:57,160
\npracticed very early origin.
\nWriting in the 3rd century <\/p>\n

392
\n00:25:57,600 –> 00:26:02,400
\nexpressly states the Church’s
\ntradition of baptizing infants <\/p>\n

393
\n00:26:02,720 –> 00:26:07,200
\nas it came from the apostles.
\nNow again, here’s one of the <\/p>\n

394
\n00:26:07,200 –> 00:26:11,000
\nother con, one of the other
\nsacraments that we referred to. <\/p>\n

395
\n00:26:11,000 –> 00:26:14,240
\nIt’s one of the seven, along
\nwith the one we just considered.<\/p>\n

396
\n00:26:15,120 –> 00:26:20,240
\nAnd the particular form of
\nbaptism as it is practiced in <\/p>\n

397
\n00:26:20,240 –> 00:26:24,800
\nthe sacrament of baptism, infant
\nsprinkling, or infant baptism, <\/p>\n

398
\n00:26:25,520 –> 00:26:29,600
\nis something admitted to be
\nsomething that comes from <\/p>\n

399
\n00:26:29,640 –> 00:26:32,880
\ntradition rather than from a
\ndirect biblical statement. <\/p>\n

400
\n00:26:33,320 –> 00:26:36,240
\nI read the key line again from
\nLawler’s Catechism. <\/p>\n

401
\n00:26:36,720 –> 00:26:41,640
\nIn any case, infant baptism
\nclearly was practiced very <\/p>\n

402
\n00:26:41,640 –> 00:26:44,720
\nearly.
\nOrigin writing in the 3rd <\/p>\n

403
\n00:26:44,720 –> 00:26:49,720
\ncentury expressly states the
\nChurch’s tradition of baptizing <\/p>\n

404
\n00:26:49,720 –> 00:26:54,120
\ninfants came from the apostles.
\nBut you see, there is an <\/p>\n

405
\n00:26:54,120 –> 00:26:57,200
\ninvasion of what we would regard
\nas a very important point. <\/p>\n

406
\n00:26:58,160 –> 00:27:02,280
\nWhat Origin said in the 3rd
\ncentury is second hand in a <\/p>\n

407
\n00:27:02,280 –> 00:27:06,800
\ncertain sense, something as
\ncentrally important to a child’s<\/p>\n

408
\n00:27:06,800 –> 00:27:10,800
\nsalvation as baptism.
\nAnd the particular form of <\/p>\n

409
\n00:27:10,800 –> 00:27:14,440
\nbaptism that Christ wishes a
\nchild to experience through the <\/p>\n

410
\n00:27:14,440 –> 00:27:18,200
\nChurch is something that’s very
\nfundamental and important. <\/p>\n

411
\n00:27:19,080 –> 00:27:23,640
\nAnd yet, if we can’t find clear
\nScripture to indicate what form <\/p>\n

412
\n00:27:23,640 –> 00:27:27,120
\nof baptism the Catholic
\ncommunity uses, then again we <\/p>\n

413
\n00:27:27,120 –> 00:27:30,200
\nfeel as being students of the
\nBible and respecting its <\/p>\n

414
\n00:27:30,200 –> 00:27:35,560
\nauthoritative voice, we have
\nreason for strong concern as <\/p>\n

415
\n00:27:35,560 –> 00:27:37,400
\npeople who respect the Word of
\nGod. <\/p>\n

416
\n00:27:37,400 –> 00:27:40,960
\nWe would appeal to take
\nsacraments such as the two we’ve<\/p>\n

417
\n00:27:40,960 –> 00:27:44,200
\njust looked at, and look at them
\ncarefully in terms of what the <\/p>\n

418
\n00:27:44,200 –> 00:27:48,000
\nBible does say, not only about
\nbaptism, whether you should or <\/p>\n

419
\n00:27:48,000 –> 00:27:51,720
\nshould not be baptized, but
\nabout the particular form of <\/p>\n

420
\n00:27:51,720 –> 00:27:53,880
\nbaptism that is really
\nacceptable. <\/p>\n

421
\n00:27:55,320 –> 00:28:00,120
\nWe’d like to refer to another
\nquotation, this time again from <\/p>\n

422
\n00:28:00,160 –> 00:28:03,520
\na very well respected Roman
\nCatholic, on the subject of <\/p>\n

423
\n00:28:03,520 –> 00:28:06,560
\nbaptism.
\nThis is taken from the book <\/p>\n

424
\n00:28:06,560 –> 00:28:10,720
\ncalled Enthusiasm by Monsignor
\nKnox. <\/p>\n

425
\n00:28:10,720 –> 00:28:13,840
\nNow Knox was responsible for
\nwhat was called the Knox <\/p>\n

426
\n00:28:13,880 –> 00:28:17,440
\nCatholic translation.
\nHe was a prolific writer in his <\/p>\n

427
\n00:28:17,440 –> 00:28:19,760
\nown days.
\nHe wrote mostly in the 1930s and<\/p>\n

428
\n00:28:19,760 –> 00:28:24,360
\n40s, and his translation up
\nuntil only the last few years <\/p>\n

429
\n00:28:24,360 –> 00:28:27,360
\nwas regarded as one of the best
\nCatholic translations, the Knox <\/p>\n

430
\n00:28:27,360 –> 00:28:31,400
\ntranslation, and he says this in
\nhis book on Enthusiasm, page <\/p>\n

431
\n00:28:31,400 –> 00:28:36,920
\n134.
\nIt is not by any means easy to <\/p>\n

432
\n00:28:37,000 –> 00:28:41,960
\nprove the doctrine of infant
\nfactorism if you are based in <\/p>\n

433
\n00:28:41,960 –> 00:28:48,360
\nyour argument on the Bible only,
\nwithout any appeal to tradition.<\/p>\n

434
\n00:28:49,480 –> 00:28:52,720
\nSo here’s Knox, a well respected
\nwriter in the Catholic <\/p>\n

435
\n00:28:52,720 –> 00:28:57,520
\ncommunity, noting that when you
\nreally get down to it, but <\/p>\n

436
\n00:28:57,520 –> 00:29:03,240
\nconfirmation, well, really the
\nbaptism itself of the child, the<\/p>\n

437
\n00:29:03,240 –> 00:29:06,840
\nform of baptism regarded as
\ncentral to the church’s <\/p>\n

438
\n00:29:06,840 –> 00:29:12,120
\nsacrament of baptism is in form
\nnot clearly established in <\/p>\n

439
\n00:29:12,120 –> 00:29:14,200
\nScripture.
\nHere we’re not talking about <\/p>\n

440
\n00:29:14,200 –> 00:29:17,320
\nwhether he should be baptized or
\nnot, but the form of baptism in <\/p>\n

441
\n00:29:17,320 –> 00:29:21,240
\nparticular, baptizing infant
\nwithin a very short period after<\/p>\n

442
\n00:29:21,240 –> 00:29:24,120
\nthey’ve been born.
\nHe admits really there isn’t any<\/p>\n

443
\n00:29:24,120 –> 00:29:29,560
\nclear cut scriptural indication,
\nbut instead without any apology,<\/p>\n

444
\n00:29:29,560 –> 00:29:34,080
\nof course, as a believing Roman
\nCatholic, he relies instead on <\/p>\n

445
\n00:29:34,080 –> 00:29:38,520
\nThe Voice of tradition, which
\ncertainly he believes is <\/p>\n

446
\n00:29:38,520 –> 00:29:42,320
\nsufficient grounds.
\nNow again, in terms of what <\/p>\n

447
\n00:29:42,320 –> 00:29:44,880
\nwhere we’re coming from this
\nevening as Christadelphians and <\/p>\n

448
\n00:29:44,880 –> 00:29:49,520
\nwhat is the basis of our appeal,
\nwe find personally that kind of <\/p>\n

449
\n00:29:49,520 –> 00:29:53,280
\nadmission for such a fundamental
\ndoctrine to be rather <\/p>\n

450
\n00:29:53,280 –> 00:29:56,880
\ndisturbing.
\nThe meaning and the importance <\/p>\n

451
\n00:29:56,960 –> 00:30:01,280
\nof course, which the Catholic
\nChurch attaches to tradition. <\/p>\n

452
\n00:30:01,720 –> 00:30:06,080
\nThe meaning which Knox of course
\nattaches to tradition is rather <\/p>\n

453
\n00:30:06,080 –> 00:30:09,160
\nessential.
\nI’m sure you’d agree to consider<\/p>\n

454
\n00:30:09,360 –> 00:30:12,560
\nin order to understand Knox’s
\nown conviction about this and <\/p>\n

455
\n00:30:12,560 –> 00:30:15,520
\nwhy he would feel without
\napology, although he can’t turn <\/p>\n

456
\n00:30:15,520 –> 00:30:17,600
\nto the Bible, he could turn to
\ntradition. <\/p>\n

457
\n00:30:18,080 –> 00:30:21,320
\nSo we’ve got to concern
\nourselves with what the Church <\/p>\n

458
\n00:30:21,320 –> 00:30:24,880
\nmeans by tradition.
\nWe noted that the seven <\/p>\n

459
\n00:30:24,880 –> 00:30:28,800
\nsacraments already are rather
\nfundamental, to say the least, a<\/p>\n

460
\n00:30:28,800 –> 00:30:32,080
\nCatholic belief.
\nBut really, if there is a <\/p>\n

461
\n00:30:32,080 –> 00:30:36,120
\ndoctrine that is in turn
\nfundamental to the seven <\/p>\n

462
\n00:30:36,120 –> 00:30:39,480
\nsacraments, it would be the
\nbelief in the immortality of the<\/p>\n

463
\n00:30:39,480 –> 00:30:43,480
\nsoul as an essential part of
\nman’s being. <\/p>\n

464
\n00:30:44,400 –> 00:30:49,280
\nYou see, the very role of the
\nseven sacraments is in fact to <\/p>\n

465
\n00:30:49,280 –> 00:30:53,560
\nadminister Sacramento Grace to
\nthe individual soul. <\/p>\n

466
\n00:30:54,240 –> 00:30:58,960
\nWhen a believing Catholic is
\nreceiving one of the seven <\/p>\n

467
\n00:30:58,960 –> 00:31:03,160
\nsacraments, it is understood or
\nbelieved that what is happening <\/p>\n

468
\n00:31:03,160 –> 00:31:06,120
\nin the administering of one of
\nthe sacraments is that a <\/p>\n

469
\n00:31:06,120 –> 00:31:11,280
\nSacramento Grace is being
\ninfused by the mediation of the <\/p>\n

470
\n00:31:11,280 –> 00:31:15,240
\npriest through that sacrament to
\nthe soul of the recipient. <\/p>\n

471
\n00:31:16,280 –> 00:31:19,760
\nSo that the concept of the
\nimmortal soul is fundamental, as<\/p>\n

472
\n00:31:19,760 –> 00:31:23,680
\nit were, an underlining burden
\nprinciple underneath and holding<\/p>\n

473
\n00:31:23,680 –> 00:31:25,960
\ntogether really the seven
\nsacraments. <\/p>\n

474
\n00:31:26,720 –> 00:31:31,040
\nAnd in a current publication by
\nthe Catholic Church, the <\/p>\n

475
\n00:31:31,040 –> 00:31:34,280
\nquestion of the immortal soul is
\ndiscussed in terms of its <\/p>\n

476
\n00:31:34,280 –> 00:31:38,160
\nbiblical basis.
\nI’m referring particularly to <\/p>\n

477
\n00:31:38,400 –> 00:31:41,680
\nthis pamphlet.
\nIt’s written to another <\/p>\n

478
\n00:31:41,720 –> 00:31:45,200
\ncommunity, and the Catholic
\nChurch is trying to answer some <\/p>\n

479
\n00:31:45,200 –> 00:31:49,240
\nof the community’s objections to
\nthe Catholic understanding of an<\/p>\n

480
\n00:31:49,240 –> 00:31:51,560
\nimmortal soul.
\nI’m going to quote from this <\/p>\n

481
\n00:31:51,560 –> 00:31:53,000
\npamphlet.
\nWe’ll use our overhead. <\/p>\n

482
\n00:31:53,800 –> 00:31:58,160
\nSome beliefs have to be wrong.
\nIn that pamphlet. <\/p>\n

483
\n00:31:59,480 –> 00:32:04,720
\nThe Catholic writer says it, the
\nOld Testament word nayfech, <\/p>\n

484
\n00:32:05,120 –> 00:32:08,160
\nthat’s the word for soul in the
\nOld Testament, the Hebrew word <\/p>\n

485
\n00:32:08,160 –> 00:32:11,320
\nfor soul.
\nThe Old Testament, we could say <\/p>\n

486
\n00:32:11,320 –> 00:32:17,040
\nthe Hebrew word nepesh simply
\nmeant a living soul, and the <\/p>\n

487
\n00:32:17,040 –> 00:32:24,720
\nHebrew would use the same word
\nfor any living being, animal or <\/p>\n

488
\n00:32:24,960 –> 00:32:29,040
\nhuman.
\nNow what’s being said there is <\/p>\n

489
\n00:32:29,040 –> 00:32:34,160
\nthat in the view of the
\ncommunity looking at the Old <\/p>\n

490
\n00:32:34,160 –> 00:32:37,640
\nTestament fairly, there is an
\nadmission being put on the <\/p>\n

491
\n00:32:37,640 –> 00:32:40,600
\ntable.
\nWhen we look at how the Old <\/p>\n

492
\n00:32:40,600 –> 00:32:46,040
\nTestament uses the word soul,
\nthe Hebrew word nephesh, it uses<\/p>\n

493
\n00:32:46,040 –> 00:32:49,120
\nit in a very elastic way.
\nThat’s being admitted. <\/p>\n

494
\n00:32:49,680 –> 00:32:54,720
\nIn fact, it is so elastic they
\nare suggesting that it could be <\/p>\n

495
\n00:32:54,720 –> 00:32:59,800
\nused to describe any living
\nbeing, animal or human. <\/p>\n

496
\n00:32:59,920 –> 00:33:02,960
\nWe would concur with that.
\nOne takes the Bible concordance <\/p>\n

497
\n00:33:03,000 –> 00:33:05,960
\nand looks up the word soul, or
\nthe word nay fashion in Hebrew, <\/p>\n

498
\n00:33:06,280 –> 00:33:08,200
\nsees how it’s used in the Old
\nTestament. <\/p>\n

499
\n00:33:08,200 –> 00:33:13,080
\nIt is very eloctic and it is
\nused to describe animal as well <\/p>\n

500
\n00:33:13,080 –> 00:33:14,840
\nas human.
\nWe might add. <\/p>\n

501
\n00:33:15,640 –> 00:33:21,120
\nWhy would soul be used to
\ndescribe a animal if it’s <\/p>\n

502
\n00:33:21,120 –> 00:33:23,640
\nsomething that’s immortal or
\nintangible? <\/p>\n

503
\n00:33:24,040 –> 00:33:28,600
\nIf it’s a spark, as it were,
\nfrom the divine, that is infused<\/p>\n

504
\n00:33:28,640 –> 00:33:32,520
\ninto the child at a certain
\npoint near or after conception, <\/p>\n

505
\n00:33:33,880 –> 00:33:37,800
\nhow could it be describing an
\nanimal in any sense if it is a <\/p>\n

506
\n00:33:37,800 –> 00:33:41,760
\nspark of the divine, something
\nthat supposedly marks man out as<\/p>\n

507
\n00:33:41,760 –> 00:33:44,240
\nbeing different than animal
\ncreation? <\/p>\n

508
\n00:33:45,160 –> 00:33:52,160
\nPage 10 of the same pamphlet.
\nThus we read, whereas the Bible <\/p>\n

509
\n00:33:52,160 –> 00:33:54,000
\ndoes not.
\nIt is true. <\/p>\n

510
\n00:33:54,760 –> 00:33:59,800
\nThink of the immortality of the
\nhuman soul, a concept which it <\/p>\n

511
\n00:33:59,800 –> 00:34:02,720
\ndoes not have in our sense of
\nthis word. <\/p>\n

512
\n00:34:04,040 –> 00:34:07,680
\nIt does speak of the immortality
\nof the human person. <\/p>\n

513
\n00:34:08,560 –> 00:34:12,400
\nFrankly, I’m not too sure what
\nthat last line means, but we <\/p>\n

514
\n00:34:12,400 –> 00:34:16,600
\nbelieve that the basic admission
\nis rather important, and we <\/p>\n

515
\n00:34:16,600 –> 00:34:18,120
\nwould find that rather
\ndisturbing. <\/p>\n

516
\n00:34:20,040 –> 00:34:23,840
\nWhat we have found is so far in
\nlooking at two of the seven <\/p>\n

517
\n00:34:23,840 –> 00:34:27,600
\nsacraments that at least on two
\nof them, it’s admitted there is <\/p>\n

518
\n00:34:27,600 –> 00:34:31,760
\nno direct biblical evidence for
\nthe Catholic community’s <\/p>\n

519
\n00:34:31,760 –> 00:34:35,159
\nunderstanding of that sacrament
\nor the way it is practiced. <\/p>\n

520
\n00:34:35,840 –> 00:34:40,639
\nWe have seen that underneath all
\nthe seven sacraments is the <\/p>\n

521
\n00:34:40,679 –> 00:34:44,920
\nundergirding conviction that man
\nhas in a mortal soul to which <\/p>\n

522
\n00:34:44,920 –> 00:34:46,960
\nthe seven sacraments are
\nadministered. <\/p>\n

523
\n00:34:47,480 –> 00:34:51,360
\nThe seven sacraments are viewed
\nas 7 channel through which <\/p>\n

524
\n00:34:51,719 –> 00:34:55,520
\nthrough which divine energy is
\nadministered through the priest <\/p>\n

525
\n00:34:55,520 –> 00:35:00,720
\npen to the recipient.
\nAnd yet it is also admitted that<\/p>\n

526
\n00:35:00,720 –> 00:35:06,360
\neven the concept of the immortal
\nsoul does not have an Old <\/p>\n

527
\n00:35:06,360 –> 00:35:10,400
\nTestament basis whatsoever.
\nThere’s no clear indication of <\/p>\n

528
\n00:35:10,400 –> 00:35:12,360
\nit.
\nAgain, I guess one would have to<\/p>\n

529
\n00:35:12,360 –> 00:35:19,240
\nrefer to tradition.
\nNow with those admissions in <\/p>\n

530
\n00:35:19,240 –> 00:35:23,280
\nmind, we can sort of crystallize
\nthe central concern of our <\/p>\n

531
\n00:35:23,280 –> 00:35:28,560
\nlecture in matters basic to
\nsalvation, such as the seven <\/p>\n

532
\n00:35:28,560 –> 00:35:32,160
\nsacraments and the undergirding
\nconviction that is there with <\/p>\n

533
\n00:35:32,160 –> 00:35:35,880
\nthe immortal soul.
\nWe see Catholic spokesman now <\/p>\n

534
\n00:35:35,880 –> 00:35:40,200
\nadmitting in current literature
\nthat a number them lack a clear <\/p>\n

535
\n00:35:40,240 –> 00:35:43,600
\nor a direct or an explicit
\nbiblical basis. <\/p>\n

536
\n00:35:44,440 –> 00:35:49,360
\nAnd then if we were to ask on
\nwhat authoritative basis are <\/p>\n

537
\n00:35:49,360 –> 00:35:54,160
\nsuch convictions or forms of
\nconviction held, the Catholic <\/p>\n

538
\n00:35:54,160 –> 00:35:58,120
\nresponse would be on the basis
\nof Catholic tradition. <\/p>\n

539
\n00:35:59,400 –> 00:36:05,240
\nSo then a tradition admitted of
\ncourse to be outside of direct <\/p>\n

540
\n00:36:05,240 –> 00:36:09,960
\nbiblical revelation is seen to
\nsupplement biblical revelation, <\/p>\n

541
\n00:36:10,560 –> 00:36:13,480
\nnot to be in contradiction to
\nbiblical revelation. <\/p>\n

542
\n00:36:13,480 –> 00:36:17,080
\nA Catholic would certainly
\nstress tradition is viewed as <\/p>\n

543
\n00:36:17,080 –> 00:36:22,120
\nbeing harmoniously married with
\ndivine revelation in the Bible <\/p>\n

544
\n00:36:22,120 –> 00:36:25,920
\nand not seen to be at variance.
\nSo the really to many Catholics,<\/p>\n

545
\n00:36:25,920 –> 00:36:29,600
\nthere’s no apology for the fact
\nthat such fundamental doctrines <\/p>\n

546
\n00:36:30,120 –> 00:36:34,560
\nare not not all of the many ways
\non a firm or direct obvious <\/p>\n

547
\n00:36:34,680 –> 00:36:38,560
\nexplicit biblical basis.
\nTradition is seen as another <\/p>\n

548
\n00:36:38,560 –> 00:36:41,480
\nform of divine revelation and is
\nequally authoritative. <\/p>\n

549
\n00:36:42,120 –> 00:36:44,680
\nI think that perhaps
\ncrystallizes some of the <\/p>\n

550
\n00:36:45,000 –> 00:36:48,160
\nstatements and some of the
\nreasons why Knox and others <\/p>\n

551
\n00:36:48,320 –> 00:36:51,040
\nfreely make those admissions
\nwithout apology. <\/p>\n

552
\n00:36:52,600 –> 00:36:58,480
\nJohn O’Brien, in faith of
\nmillions, helps us to see where <\/p>\n

553
\n00:36:58,560 –> 00:37:03,240
\nthe Catholic Church places the
\nimportance of tradition next to <\/p>\n

554
\n00:37:03,280 –> 00:37:05,360
\nthe Bible, which is our next
\nconcern. <\/p>\n

555
\n00:37:05,360 –> 00:37:06,840
\nLet’s see if we can crystallize
\nthat. <\/p>\n

556
\n00:37:07,600 –> 00:37:13,560
\nCould we have the next overhead,
\nPage 186 of the faith of <\/p>\n

557
\n00:37:13,560 –> 00:37:18,160
\nmillions?
\nThere are certain truths, he <\/p>\n

558
\n00:37:18,160 –> 00:37:22,960
\nsays, which are not recorded in
\nthe Scriptures, but which are <\/p>\n

559
\n00:37:22,960 –> 00:37:27,000
\nembodied in the life, the
\npractice, and the ministry of <\/p>\n

560
\n00:37:27,000 –> 00:37:34,240
\nthe Church in her written and
\nunwritten traditions which <\/p>\n

561
\n00:37:34,440 –> 00:37:39,720
\nsupplement the biblical record.
\nShe, meaning the Church, of <\/p>\n

562
\n00:37:39,720 –> 00:37:44,360
\ncourse, is not dependent on it
\nmeaning the Bible for her <\/p>\n

563
\n00:37:44,360 –> 00:37:48,440
\nexistence, nor is she limited in
\nher doctrine to it. <\/p>\n

564
\n00:37:49,600 –> 00:37:53,040
\nSo then, tradition and Catholic
\ndefinition, and this is a fairly<\/p>\n

565
\n00:37:53,040 –> 00:37:56,080
\ntypical quote, is not seen to be
\nat variance. <\/p>\n

566
\n00:37:56,280 –> 00:38:00,680
\nIt is seen to supplement the
\nbiblical record and the Church <\/p>\n

567
\n00:38:00,680 –> 00:38:05,680
\nclaims that she is not dependent
\non biblical revelation in <\/p>\n

568
\n00:38:05,680 –> 00:38:10,600
\nparticular for her existence.
\nSo that concerning another <\/p>\n

569
\n00:38:10,600 –> 00:38:15,120
\ndoctrine, such as purgatory, A
\ndoctrine really that is quite <\/p>\n

570
\n00:38:15,120 –> 00:38:19,800
\nrelated, quite related really to
\nthe Catholic community’s view of<\/p>\n

571
\n00:38:19,800 –> 00:38:23,200
\nwhat happens to a man when he
\ndies and how the Catholic Church<\/p>\n

572
\n00:38:23,240 –> 00:38:27,440
\nviews the nature of man.
\nA Catholic writer could say this<\/p>\n

573
\n00:38:27,440 –> 00:38:31,000
\nif we could just use this
\nquotation on purgatory. <\/p>\n

574
\n00:38:32,760 –> 00:38:37,920
\nAgain, the same cataclysm.
\nThe word purgatory is not in the<\/p>\n

575
\n00:38:37,920 –> 00:38:41,960
\nBible, nor is the doctrine of
\npurgatory explicitly taught <\/p>\n

576
\n00:38:41,960 –> 00:38:45,480
\nthere.
\nNotice this time we’re not just <\/p>\n

577
\n00:38:45,480 –> 00:38:48,400
\nlooking at the Old Testament.
\nAs with the case of the soul <\/p>\n

578
\n00:38:49,080 –> 00:38:53,160
\nhere, a current Catholic
\ncatechism, this one is saying <\/p>\n

579
\n00:38:53,160 –> 00:38:57,280
\nthat a concept or a belief so
\nfundamental to man’s <\/p>\n

580
\n00:38:57,280 –> 00:38:59,840
\nunderstanding of the nature of
\nman and what happens to him <\/p>\n

581
\n00:38:59,840 –> 00:39:05,200
\nafter death, where he goes, if
\nanywhere, is described in non <\/p>\n

582
\n00:39:05,240 –> 00:39:11,000
\nbiblical terms and it’s admitted
\nthat really neither the word nor<\/p>\n

583
\n00:39:11,080 –> 00:39:14,040
\nthe concept or the doctrine is
\ntaught there. <\/p>\n

584
\n00:39:15,080 –> 00:39:19,000
\nAgain, without apology, the
\nCatechism would direct us, as it<\/p>\n

585
\n00:39:19,000 –> 00:39:21,520
\ndoes in the Catechism, to
\ntradition. <\/p>\n

586
\n00:39:22,120 –> 00:39:24,840
\nSo then you see a certain
\nperhaps number of pieces falling<\/p>\n

587
\n00:39:24,840 –> 00:39:27,480
\ntogether, especially for those
\nof us that don’t come with a <\/p>\n

588
\n00:39:27,480 –> 00:39:31,920
\nCatholic background.
\nTradition is viewed in very high<\/p>\n

589
\n00:39:31,920 –> 00:39:37,600
\nesteem and it is viewed as a
\nsupplement, you see, to what is <\/p>\n

590
\n00:39:37,600 –> 00:39:40,080
\nnot there sometimes in the
\nbiblical record. <\/p>\n

591
\n00:39:41,240 –> 00:39:44,520
\nNow another quotation that again
\nmakes this concept a little <\/p>\n

592
\n00:39:44,520 –> 00:39:48,040
\nclearer.
\nPage 176. <\/p>\n

593
\n00:39:48,040 –> 00:39:51,080
\nI’m going to refer to John
\nO’Brien’s writings again from <\/p>\n

594
\n00:39:51,080 –> 00:39:56,160
\nthe faith of millions.
\nShe the Catholic Church is not <\/p>\n

595
\n00:39:56,160 –> 00:40:02,040
\nthe child of the Bible as many
\nnon Catholics imagine, but its <\/p>\n

596
\n00:40:02,040 –> 00:40:04,880
\nmother.
\nShe derived neither her <\/p>\n

597
\n00:40:04,880 –> 00:40:07,320
\nexistence nor her teaching
\nauthority from the New <\/p>\n

598
\n00:40:07,320 –> 00:40:13,040
\nTestament.
\nShe had both before the New <\/p>\n

599
\n00:40:13,040 –> 00:40:17,280
\nTestament was born.
\nWe said at the outset of our <\/p>\n

600
\n00:40:17,280 –> 00:40:21,240
\naddress that the Catholic Church
\nmakes a number of claims for <\/p>\n

601
\n00:40:21,240 –> 00:40:25,120
\nherself that are rather unique.
\nThis again illustrates the <\/p>\n

602
\n00:40:25,120 –> 00:40:29,760
\nuniqueness of such a posture.
\nAnother Catholic writer, a man <\/p>\n

603
\n00:40:29,760 –> 00:40:32,240
\ncalled Wilford Dewan, and I have
\nhis book here. <\/p>\n

604
\n00:40:32,240 –> 00:40:35,960
\nIt’s a current book.
\nIt’s used for Catholic study <\/p>\n

605
\n00:40:35,960 –> 00:40:42,640
\nCircle on page 88.
\nTradition, The life and <\/p>\n

606
\n00:40:42,640 –> 00:40:46,520
\nconsciousness of the whole
\nChurch, is the necessary <\/p>\n

607
\n00:40:46,880 –> 00:40:52,960
\ninterpreter of the scriptural
\nmessage, the Word of God in the <\/p>\n

608
\n00:40:52,960 –> 00:40:59,240
\nchurch, in the Church.
\nNotice, clarify and interpret <\/p>\n

609
\n00:40:59,320 –> 00:41:04,800
\nthe Word of God in Scripture.
\nNow we see perhaps a fuller <\/p>\n

610
\n00:41:04,800 –> 00:41:08,000
\npicture coming into focus here.
\nFor those of us who are non <\/p>\n

611
\n00:41:08,000 –> 00:41:12,200
\nCatholics especially, but just
\nperhaps being exposed to this <\/p>\n

612
\n00:41:12,200 –> 00:41:17,240
\nperception for the first time,
\nit’s not quite true to say that <\/p>\n

613
\n00:41:17,240 –> 00:41:20,560
\ntradition and Scripture are
\nexactly on a par. <\/p>\n

614
\n00:41:21,000 –> 00:41:24,400
\nThis is apparent from this
\nquotation and many others that <\/p>\n

615
\n00:41:24,400 –> 00:41:28,000
\ncould supplement it.
\nTradition and Scripture are not <\/p>\n

616
\n00:41:28,000 –> 00:41:31,240
\nviewed as being contradictory,
\nnor are they viewed as being at <\/p>\n

617
\n00:41:31,240 –> 00:41:34,440
\nvariance.
\nBut on the other hand, a close <\/p>\n

618
\n00:41:34,440 –> 00:41:38,280
\nexamination of Catholic writing
\nshows they’re not exactly viewed<\/p>\n

619
\n00:41:38,280 –> 00:41:42,760
\nas being equal either.
\nTradition really is being viewed<\/p>\n

620
\n00:41:42,800 –> 00:41:47,960
\nas the interpreter of the Bible.
\nThe Bible, in other words, is <\/p>\n

621
\n00:41:47,960 –> 00:41:52,200
\nsomewhat subject to the voice of
\nthe Church, to the interpretive <\/p>\n

622
\n00:41:52,400 –> 00:41:56,200
\nvoice of the Church, some
\nCatholics would say, to the <\/p>\n

623
\n00:41:56,440 –> 00:42:01,600
\nliving voice of tradition, the
\nso-called living voice of <\/p>\n

624
\n00:42:01,600 –> 00:42:05,400
\ntradition.
\nIn a certain sense, overseas <\/p>\n

625
\n00:42:05,600 –> 00:42:09,160
\ninterpretations of the Bible.
\nIt is regarded as the divine <\/p>\n

626
\n00:42:09,160 –> 00:42:12,440
\nhand telling us what to believe
\nabout the Bible, how to <\/p>\n

627
\n00:42:12,440 –> 00:42:15,880
\nunderstand it, how to apply it,
\nand of course, to supplement. <\/p>\n

628
\n00:42:16,680 –> 00:42:20,800
\nBut such a statement, and it’s
\ntypical, shows that not exactly <\/p>\n

629
\n00:42:20,800 –> 00:42:23,280
\non an even plane.
\nIn fact, we’ll show you a number<\/p>\n

630
\n00:42:23,280 –> 00:42:27,560
\nof quotations that show that
\ntradition is viewed as being <\/p>\n

631
\n00:42:27,560 –> 00:42:32,120
\nall-encompassing and bringing
\ninto its embrace or its circle <\/p>\n

632
\n00:42:32,480 –> 00:42:35,640
\nthe Bible as being one form of
\ndivine revelation. <\/p>\n

633
\n00:42:35,720 –> 00:42:40,520
\nBut there are others.
\nLet’s just take a look O’Brien <\/p>\n

634
\n00:42:41,000 –> 00:42:43,360
\nthe one of his earlier editions
\non the faith of milling. <\/p>\n

635
\n00:42:44,440 –> 00:42:50,280
\nThe only authority he says which
\nnon Catholic have for the <\/p>\n

636
\n00:42:50,280 –> 00:42:54,560
\ninspiration of scriptures is the
\nauthority of the Catholic <\/p>\n

637
\n00:42:54,560 –> 00:42:57,440
\nChurch.
\nVery important claim. <\/p>\n

638
\n00:42:58,480 –> 00:43:01,920
\nWe regard that as being rather
\nunique compared to most of <\/p>\n

639
\n00:43:01,920 –> 00:43:03,760
\nChristendom.
\nDon’t know of any other church <\/p>\n

640
\n00:43:03,800 –> 00:43:09,080
\nthat would quite express it that
\nway, that their church in fact <\/p>\n

641
\n00:43:09,080 –> 00:43:13,120
\nwas the only church or the first
\nchurch for the main authority <\/p>\n

642
\n00:43:13,280 –> 00:43:16,040
\nupon which we know is non
\nCatholic, that the Bible’s <\/p>\n

643
\n00:43:16,040 –> 00:43:18,200
\ninspired.
\nAnd again, that is not an <\/p>\n

644
\n00:43:18,200 –> 00:43:21,720
\nisolated quotation and I would
\ninvite anyone to take a look at <\/p>\n

645
\n00:43:21,760 –> 00:43:23,520
\nfull context of that.
\nWe have a number of these on <\/p>\n

646
\n00:43:23,520 –> 00:43:25,840
\nXerox.
\nLet’s take a look at another <\/p>\n

647
\n00:43:25,840 –> 00:43:31,040
\nquote.
\nAgain, O’Brien says if she the <\/p>\n

648
\n00:43:31,040 –> 00:43:35,240
\nCatholic Church, had not
\ndeclared the books composing the<\/p>\n

649
\n00:43:35,240 –> 00:43:39,800
\nNew Testament to be the inspired
\nWord of God, we would not know <\/p>\n

650
\n00:43:39,800 –> 00:43:43,640
\nit.
\nA unique and very authoritative <\/p>\n

651
\n00:43:43,640 –> 00:43:47,680
\nclaim, but it is, in view of the
\nCatholic community, quite <\/p>\n

652
\n00:43:47,680 –> 00:43:51,080
\nconsistent.
\nIt is a consistent claim since <\/p>\n

653
\n00:43:51,600 –> 00:43:54,960
\nthe Catholic community believes
\nthat they are the true <\/p>\n

654
\n00:43:54,960 –> 00:43:58,160
\nrepresentative of Christ on
\nearth, and since they believe <\/p>\n

655
\n00:43:58,160 –> 00:44:02,320
\nthey have a consistent link to
\nthe early apostle right back to <\/p>\n

656
\n00:44:02,320 –> 00:44:06,760
\nPeter, and since they believe
\nit’s essential to salvation to <\/p>\n

657
\n00:44:06,760 –> 00:44:10,200
\nknow, understand, accept, and
\npractice Catholic belief. <\/p>\n

658
\n00:44:10,480 –> 00:44:14,800
\nIt’s consistent for a Catholic
\nto make that kind of state <\/p>\n

659
\n00:44:15,480 –> 00:44:18,000
\nbecause they regard themselves
\nas being, in a certain sense, <\/p>\n

660
\n00:44:18,000 –> 00:44:23,120
\nthe mother of the Bible.
\nLet’s look at another quotation <\/p>\n

661
\n00:44:24,480 –> 00:44:29,480
\nagain, O’Brien, just as the
\nSupreme Court is the authorized <\/p>\n

662
\n00:44:30,160 –> 00:44:34,800
\nliving interpreter of the
\nConstitution, so the Catholic <\/p>\n

663
\n00:44:34,800 –> 00:44:39,000
\nChurch is the living
\nauthoritative interpreter of the<\/p>\n

664
\n00:44:39,000 –> 00:44:42,160
\nBible.
\nNow notice at this juncture, <\/p>\n

665
\n00:44:43,160 –> 00:44:47,760
\nthis is really indirectly
\nreferring to what is regarded as<\/p>\n

666
\n00:44:48,000 –> 00:44:51,000
\nthe living tradition, the living
\nvoice of the Church. <\/p>\n

667
\n00:44:52,080 –> 00:44:55,800
\nThe stress is on the word
\nliving, you see, because the <\/p>\n

668
\n00:44:55,800 –> 00:44:59,600
\nCatholic Church believes that
\nthose who minister on her behalf<\/p>\n

669
\n00:45:00,520 –> 00:45:02,400
\nhave a direct connection with
\nGod. <\/p>\n

670
\n00:45:02,800 –> 00:45:05,640
\nBecause they believe the Holy
\nSpirit works in and through <\/p>\n

671
\n00:45:05,640 –> 00:45:08,200
\ntheir magisterium, their
\nofficiating people. <\/p>\n

672
\n00:45:08,720 –> 00:45:10,880
\nBecause that is their
\nconviction. <\/p>\n

673
\n00:45:11,600 –> 00:45:14,880
\nBecause they believe the Holy
\nSpirit works today to guide the <\/p>\n

674
\n00:45:14,880 –> 00:45:18,080
\nSpirit’s interpretation.
\nBecause they believe that <\/p>\n

675
\n00:45:18,080 –> 00:45:22,680
\ntradition is ongoing and living
\nand dynamic and fluid. <\/p>\n

676
\n00:45:22,720 –> 00:45:27,800
\nIn that sense, they see
\ntradition really as being a kind<\/p>\n

677
\n00:45:27,800 –> 00:45:32,200
\nof adjudicator over this.
\nAgain, they don’t think to be in<\/p>\n

678
\n00:45:32,200 –> 00:45:35,520
\ncontradiction with the Bible,
\nbut rather it overseas <\/p>\n

679
\n00:45:35,520 –> 00:45:39,040
\ninterpretations of the Bible.
\nIt tells its people how the <\/p>\n

680
\n00:45:39,040 –> 00:45:42,160
\nBible is to be interpreted.
\nThe Bible, in other words, does <\/p>\n

681
\n00:45:42,160 –> 00:45:45,200
\nnot or is not left on its own to
\ninterpret itself. <\/p>\n

682
\n00:45:45,680 –> 00:45:48,560
\nWe don’t necessarily compare
\nScripture with Scripture to come<\/p>\n

683
\n00:45:48,560 –> 00:45:52,960
\nto a conclusion or a definition.
\nThe church can provide that for <\/p>\n

684
\n00:45:52,960 –> 00:45:55,080
\nus.
\nIt is the claim of the Church, <\/p>\n

685
\n00:45:56,240 –> 00:45:59,720
\nthese kind of quotations and one
\nmore that perhaps provides a <\/p>\n

686
\n00:45:59,720 –> 00:46:01,400
\nclear focus for what we’re
\nsaying. <\/p>\n

687
\n00:46:03,480 –> 00:46:07,400
\nO’Brien, consistent to his own
\nargument, and it’s consistent <\/p>\n

688
\n00:46:07,400 –> 00:46:10,960
\nwith many Catholic writers on
\nthis subject, finally comes to <\/p>\n

689
\n00:46:10,960 –> 00:46:15,800
\nthis rather direct statement.
\nThe simple fact is that the <\/p>\n

690
\n00:46:15,800 –> 00:46:20,000
\nBible, like all dead letters,
\ncalls for a living interpreter. <\/p>\n

691
\n00:46:21,040 –> 00:46:24,240
\nThat’s not regarded as being
\ndisparaging, not by Catholics <\/p>\n

692
\n00:46:24,240 –> 00:46:26,920
\nanyone, anyway.
\nIt’s not regarded as being a <\/p>\n

693
\n00:46:26,920 –> 00:46:28,600
\ndisparaging statement of the
\nBible. <\/p>\n

694
\n00:46:29,120 –> 00:46:32,360
\nThey do believe this is divine
\nrevelation, indeed, but they <\/p>\n

695
\n00:46:32,360 –> 00:46:35,840
\nbelieve in a certain sense it is
\nonly inked on paper. <\/p>\n

696
\n00:46:35,960 –> 00:46:40,320
\nIn that sense, it’s dead.
\nIt is regarded by the Catholic <\/p>\n

697
\n00:46:40,320 –> 00:46:46,200
\nChurch as necessitating a
\nliving, dynamic force to bring <\/p>\n

698
\n00:46:46,200 –> 00:46:50,600
\nit alive, to make it meaningful,
\nand to describe and define and <\/p>\n

699
\n00:46:50,640 –> 00:46:54,000
\nconstrive exactly how it’s to be
\napplied and how it’s to be <\/p>\n

700
\n00:46:54,000 –> 00:46:58,560
\nunderstood.
\nNow we’ve attempted to give the <\/p>\n

701
\n00:46:58,560 –> 00:47:01,960
\nCatholic viewpoint, ladies and
\ngentlemen, a fair <\/p>\n

702
\n00:47:01,960 –> 00:47:05,880
\nrepresentation.
\nWe have tried to make sure that <\/p>\n

703
\n00:47:05,880 –> 00:47:09,640
\nany of the books we refer to are
\nas current as possible, are by <\/p>\n

704
\n00:47:09,640 –> 00:47:12,760
\nrespected and well known
\nCatholic writers, and that they <\/p>\n

705
\n00:47:12,760 –> 00:47:15,880
\ndo have the imprimatur, the
\napproval of the Nil Hill <\/p>\n

706
\n00:47:15,880 –> 00:47:19,720
\nobstacle.
\nLet’s see if we can now bring <\/p>\n

707
\n00:47:19,720 –> 00:47:22,280
\nsome of those quotations to a
\nkind of focus. <\/p>\n

708
\n00:47:22,560 –> 00:47:25,800
\nWe want to crystallize some of
\nthe main contentions of those <\/p>\n

709
\n00:47:25,800 –> 00:47:30,040
\nfolks, which represent how the
\nChurch in most cases would <\/p>\n

710
\n00:47:30,040 –> 00:47:32,360
\ndefine her authority as she
\nviews it. <\/p>\n

711
\n00:47:32,640 –> 00:47:35,640
\nWe would see the first if we
\ncould just open the screen, the <\/p>\n

712
\n00:47:35,680 –> 00:47:39,160
\nfirst window.
\nIt would seem from such <\/p>\n

713
\n00:47:39,160 –> 00:47:43,400
\nquotation, which we believe are
\nfair and representative, that <\/p>\n

714
\n00:47:43,400 –> 00:47:46,680
\nthe Bible, according to the
\nCatholic community really does <\/p>\n

715
\n00:47:46,680 –> 00:47:49,800
\nnot have any authority on its
\nown merit. <\/p>\n

716
\n00:47:51,320 –> 00:47:55,520
\nThe presider over the Bible is
\nthe living voice of the Church. <\/p>\n

717
\n00:47:55,520 –> 00:48:00,360
\nIn this view, the Church with
\nits living voice is the dynamic <\/p>\n

718
\n00:48:00,600 –> 00:48:04,560
\ninterpreter of the dead letter.
\nAnd if it wasn’t for the Mother <\/p>\n

719
\n00:48:04,560 –> 00:48:08,200
\nChurch, we would know, according
\nto O’Brien, that that was an <\/p>\n

720
\n00:48:08,200 –> 00:48:11,560
\ninspired book because we know
\nit, because it’s come from the <\/p>\n

721
\n00:48:11,560 –> 00:48:15,600
\nChurch.
\nSecondly, another contention <\/p>\n

722
\n00:48:15,600 –> 00:48:17,760
\nwould be, I think, fairly
\nrepresenting the point. <\/p>\n

723
\n00:48:18,400 –> 00:48:21,680
\nThe Bible is regarded as a kind
\nof dead letter and a certain <\/p>\n

724
\n00:48:21,680 –> 00:48:25,080
\nqualified sense apart from the
\nliving voice of the church. <\/p>\n

725
\n00:48:26,080 –> 00:48:33,240
\nThirdly, tradition or the oral
\nmessage is regarded as having a <\/p>\n

726
\n00:48:33,240 –> 00:48:37,320
\nkind of priority over the
\nwritten word in the sense that <\/p>\n

727
\n00:48:37,320 –> 00:48:41,000
\nit is the living interpreter, in
\nthe sense that it embraces <\/p>\n

728
\n00:48:41,120 –> 00:48:44,480
\ndivine revelation in the Bible,
\nbut including others as well, it<\/p>\n

729
\n00:48:44,480 –> 00:48:51,040
\nis an all embracing term.
\nFourthly, perhaps we should just<\/p>\n

730
\n00:48:51,520 –> 00:48:52,760
\nmaybe just put that up a little
\nbit. <\/p>\n

731
\n00:48:52,880 –> 00:48:55,400
\nThank you.
\nSaving power. <\/p>\n

732
\n00:48:56,440 –> 00:48:59,840
\nSaving power, we qualify.
\nThat can be administered <\/p>\n

733
\n00:48:59,960 –> 00:49:03,360
\napparently through the church,
\napart from the direct <\/p>\n

734
\n00:49:03,600 –> 00:49:08,880
\ninteraction with the Bible.
\nNow, that comes quite obviously <\/p>\n

735
\n00:49:09,240 –> 00:49:11,600
\nfrom a number of O’Brien
\nstatements and from some of the <\/p>\n

736
\n00:49:11,600 –> 00:49:15,200
\nothers we’ve looked at.
\nWe’d like to look at those major<\/p>\n

737
\n00:49:15,200 –> 00:49:18,440
\ncontentions, then, for the
\nremainder of our address, all of<\/p>\n

738
\n00:49:18,440 –> 00:49:21,400
\nwhich focus on foundations of
\nthe Catholic belief. <\/p>\n

739
\n00:49:23,200 –> 00:49:24,920
\nLet’s look at these four
\nimplications. <\/p>\n

740
\n00:49:26,080 –> 00:49:31,120
\nLet’s open our Bibles and see
\nwhether they each harmonize with<\/p>\n

741
\n00:49:31,120 –> 00:49:34,080
\nbiblical revelation.
\nWe ought not to find it in <\/p>\n

742
\n00:49:34,080 –> 00:49:36,000
\ncontradiction to biblical
\nrevelation. <\/p>\n

743
\n00:49:36,920 –> 00:49:39,480
\nLet’s look at #1 in the light of
\nBible teaching. <\/p>\n

744
\n00:49:40,680 –> 00:49:43,360
\nIf you have a Bible, we’d
\nappreciate it that you turn with<\/p>\n

745
\n00:49:43,360 –> 00:49:50,240
\nus to this statement by the
\nApostle Paul, Second Timothy <\/p>\n

746
\n00:49:50,240 –> 00:49:57,080
\nchapter 3, a very important
\nBible quotation central to New <\/p>\n

747
\n00:49:57,080 –> 00:50:00,360
\nTestament teaching.
\nIf you don’t have a Bible, we’ll<\/p>\n

748
\n00:50:00,360 –> 00:50:02,840
\nproject it for you and then come
\nback to the four points. <\/p>\n

749
\n00:50:04,320 –> 00:50:06,600
\nSecond Timothy chapter 3 reads
\nus. <\/p>\n

750
\n00:50:06,600 –> 00:50:14,840
\nFollow if I go back to verse 15
\nfor the context of Second <\/p>\n

751
\n00:50:14,840 –> 00:50:19,000
\nTimothy three we read Paul
\nwriting to Timothy. <\/p>\n

752
\n00:50:19,480 –> 00:50:27,160
\nAnd that from a child thou hast
\nknown the Holy Scriptures which <\/p>\n

753
\n00:50:27,160 –> 00:50:33,400
\nare able to make thee wise unto
\nsalvation through faith which is<\/p>\n

754
\n00:50:33,400 –> 00:50:35,880
\nin Christ Jesus.
\nVerse 16. <\/p>\n

755
\n00:50:36,400 –> 00:50:42,760
\nAll Scripture is given by
\ninspiration of God, and is <\/p>\n

756
\n00:50:42,760 –> 00:50:48,720
\nprofitable for doctrine, for
\nreproof, for correction, for <\/p>\n

757
\n00:50:48,720 –> 00:50:53,440
\ninstruction and righteousness,
\nthat the man of God may be <\/p>\n

758
\n00:50:53,680 –> 00:51:00,320
\nperfect, thoroughly furnished
\nunto all good works. <\/p>\n

759
\n00:51:02,120 –> 00:51:06,560
\nNow we believe certain
\nconclusions fall out of those <\/p>\n

760
\n00:51:06,560 –> 00:51:10,200
\nverses.
\nFirstly, from those very verses <\/p>\n

761
\n00:51:10,200 –> 00:51:14,320
\nthat Paul has just 10 here,
\ncontrary to the Catholic notion,<\/p>\n

762
\n00:51:14,320 –> 00:51:17,360
\nladies and gentlemen, that the
\nBible does not have any <\/p>\n

763
\n00:51:17,360 –> 00:51:21,280
\nauthority on its own merits
\napart from the church. <\/p>\n

764
\n00:51:21,640 –> 00:51:27,920
\nHere is scripture of itself
\nclaiming unlimited authority. <\/p>\n

765
\n00:51:29,040 –> 00:51:32,600
\nAll Scripture is given by
\ninspiration of God. <\/p>\n

766
\n00:51:33,240 –> 00:51:36,200
\nThat’s a biblical claim.
\nWe didn’t need the Catholic <\/p>\n

767
\n00:51:36,200 –> 00:51:40,400
\nChurch to tell us that it is
\nfurthermore profitable for <\/p>\n

768
\n00:51:40,400 –> 00:51:47,280
\ndoctrine, for reproof, for
\ncorrection, for instruction in <\/p>\n

769
\n00:51:47,280 –> 00:51:50,360
\nrighteousness.
\nFor what objective? <\/p>\n

770
\n00:51:51,320 –> 00:51:58,640
\nHow pervading is this objective
\nthat the man of God may be <\/p>\n

771
\n00:51:59,200 –> 00:52:02,680
\ngenerally instructed?
\nNo, they might be helped. <\/p>\n

772
\n00:52:03,360 –> 00:52:07,240
\nNo, it’s not that general.
\nRather verse 17 that the man of <\/p>\n

773
\n00:52:07,240 –> 00:52:15,160
\nGod may be perfect thoroughly,
\nnot partially, not in part, but <\/p>\n

774
\n00:52:15,840 –> 00:52:21,160
\nthoroughly furnished unto not
\nsome good works, not most good <\/p>\n

775
\n00:52:21,160 –> 00:52:28,640
\nworks unto all good works.
\nThe apostle Paul, you see, <\/p>\n

776
\n00:52:29,000 –> 00:52:34,840
\ncouldn’t have been more
\nexclusive in terms of where he <\/p>\n

777
\n00:52:34,840 –> 00:52:39,480
\nplaced divine authority.
\nHe couldn’t have attributed to <\/p>\n

778
\n00:52:39,480 –> 00:52:42,960
\nthe Scriptures to the written
\nrecord apart from the oral. <\/p>\n

779
\n00:52:43,440 –> 00:52:47,400
\nHe could not have attributed to
\nthe written record a more <\/p>\n

780
\n00:52:47,400 –> 00:52:52,520
\nencompassing, a more
\nencompassing kind of authority <\/p>\n

781
\n00:52:52,840 –> 00:52:54,880
\nthan to express it the way he
\ndoes. <\/p>\n

782
\n00:52:54,880 –> 00:53:00,840
\nIn verse 17 we noticed those
\nwords perfect, which means fully<\/p>\n

783
\n00:53:00,840 –> 00:53:07,360
\nmature in the Greek, thoroughly
\nfurnished all good works. <\/p>\n

784
\n00:53:07,840 –> 00:53:11,320
\nIn other words, the scriptures
\nare rather self-sufficient. <\/p>\n

785
\n00:53:12,960 –> 00:53:17,480
\nThe scriptures are
\nself-sufficient if the <\/p>\n

786
\n00:53:17,480 –> 00:53:24,800
\nscriptures says Paul can make us
\nwise unto salvation, verse 15, <\/p>\n

787
\n00:53:25,240 –> 00:53:28,920
\nthrough faith which is in Christ
\nJesus, if they are given by <\/p>\n

788
\n00:53:28,920 –> 00:53:33,200
\ninspiration of God for doctrine
\nand correction, and so on. <\/p>\n

789
\n00:53:33,680 –> 00:53:39,840
\nIf by them thereby men can
\nbecome perfect as a Christian, <\/p>\n

790
\n00:53:40,000 –> 00:53:44,320
\nor fully mature, if by
\napplication to those scriptures <\/p>\n

791
\n00:53:44,320 –> 00:53:50,640
\nhe can be thoroughly furnished
\nonto all good works, then it’s <\/p>\n

792
\n00:53:50,640 –> 00:53:54,400
\nno contradiction or straining of
\nthe Apostles language to say <\/p>\n

793
\n00:53:54,400 –> 00:53:57,600
\nthat Paul believed this book is
\nself-sufficient. <\/p>\n

794
\n00:53:58,400 –> 00:54:02,480
\nContained within its pages are
\nall that a professing Christian <\/p>\n

795
\n00:54:02,640 –> 00:54:08,640
\ncould need or should need to
\nbecome a fully mature, fully <\/p>\n

796
\n00:54:08,640 –> 00:54:13,320
\nmature Christian, thoroughly
\nfurnished unto all good works. <\/p>\n

797
\n00:54:15,080 –> 00:54:20,200
\nContrary, as we’ve said, to
\nO’Brien’s assertion that we <\/p>\n

798
\n00:54:20,200 –> 00:54:23,600
\nwould not know the Bible to be
\ninspired unless the Catholic <\/p>\n

799
\n00:54:23,600 –> 00:54:27,480
\nChurch as its mother had told
\nus, though, here is Bible. <\/p>\n

800
\n00:54:27,480 –> 00:54:31,760
\nHere is the Bible on its own
\nmerit, explicitly claiming <\/p>\n

801
\n00:54:31,760 –> 00:54:35,720
\ninspiration for itself.
\nAnd by the way, the word <\/p>\n

802
\n00:54:35,720 –> 00:54:38,920
\ninspiration is the most
\nimportant word there in the <\/p>\n

803
\n00:54:38,920 –> 00:54:40,760
\noriginal.
\nIf you have a Bible concordance,<\/p>\n

804
\n00:54:40,760 –> 00:54:43,200
\nyou can check this.
\nIn the original, the word <\/p>\n

805
\n00:54:43,280 –> 00:54:49,600
\ninspiration is the Greek term
\nTheo, meaning God, Theo, new <\/p>\n

806
\n00:54:49,600 –> 00:54:51,760
\nToth, from which we get the word
\npneumatic. <\/p>\n

807
\n00:54:52,000 –> 00:54:57,520
\nNew Toth means breed the Greek
\nterm one word Theo newtok means <\/p>\n

808
\n00:54:57,520 –> 00:55:03,160
\nGod breathed or God spirited and
\nso it would read in the original<\/p>\n

809
\n00:55:03,160 –> 00:55:07,240
\nto a Greek the original audience
\nfor most of these scriptures, <\/p>\n

810
\n00:55:07,800 –> 00:55:13,840
\nall scripture is God spirited or
\nGod breathed. <\/p>\n

811
\n00:55:14,920 –> 00:55:17,560
\nYou don’t use a term like that,
\nladies and gentlemen, to <\/p>\n

812
\n00:55:17,560 –> 00:55:22,320
\ndescribe a dead letter.
\nIf all Scripture, the written <\/p>\n

813
\n00:55:22,320 –> 00:55:24,240
\nrecord, and that’s what
\nScripture means, it means the <\/p>\n

814
\n00:55:24,240 –> 00:55:31,240
\nwritings in the Greek, all the
\nwritings are God read or God <\/p>\n

815
\n00:55:31,760 –> 00:55:36,720
\nspirited, then these words are
\nnot dead words, ladies and <\/p>\n

816
\n00:55:36,720 –> 00:55:38,000
\ngentlemen.
\nThey are dynamic. <\/p>\n

817
\n00:55:38,520 –> 00:55:42,560
\nThey are obviously viewed by the
\nApostle Paul as having a dynamic<\/p>\n

818
\n00:55:42,560 –> 00:55:49,280
\nforce intrinsic to themselves
\napart from any other authority <\/p>\n

819
\n00:55:49,280 –> 00:55:52,160
\nor any other voice or any other
\ncommunity. <\/p>\n

820
\n00:55:53,120 –> 00:55:57,720
\nThat’s why, and that’s the only
\nreason why they can make a <\/p>\n

821
\n00:55:57,760 –> 00:56:02,440
\nChristian perfect or mature.
\nThat’s why they can make you <\/p>\n

822
\n00:56:02,800 –> 00:56:07,560
\nthoroughly furnished onto all
\ngood works because and only <\/p>\n

823
\n00:56:07,560 –> 00:56:11,440
\nbecause that the apostle tells
\nus by divine revelation. <\/p>\n

824
\n00:56:11,800 –> 00:56:14,760
\nThey are God breathed, they are
\nGod spirited. <\/p>\n

825
\n00:56:14,800 –> 00:56:19,120
\nThey are not dead.
\nThese words are viewed by Paul <\/p>\n

826
\n00:56:19,120 –> 00:56:22,840
\nas being a kind of see, the
\nmaster used similar language in <\/p>\n

827
\n00:56:22,840 –> 00:56:27,400
\nthe parable of the Thor, a seed
\nwhich has a dormant power or <\/p>\n

828
\n00:56:27,400 –> 00:56:32,840
\nauthority, and when in a man’s
\nmind or a woman’s heart, that <\/p>\n

829
\n00:56:32,840 –> 00:56:37,440
\npower can be released and is a
\ndynamic moving force. <\/p>\n

830
\n00:56:38,840 –> 00:56:42,240
\nWe’ll perhaps just see that this
\nis not just viewed that way by <\/p>\n

831
\n00:56:42,240 –> 00:56:45,800
\nthe apostle Paul.
\nLet’s look at Peter, so <\/p>\n

832
\n00:56:45,800 –> 00:56:47,480
\npertinent to the Catholic
\ncommunity. <\/p>\n

833
\n00:56:48,560 –> 00:56:52,640
\nHere’s an interesting passage,
\nespecially coming as it does <\/p>\n

834
\n00:56:52,800 –> 00:56:56,160
\nfrom Peter.
\nLet me elucidate what I mean by <\/p>\n

835
\n00:56:56,160 –> 00:57:00,480
\nthat.
\nThe Apostle Peter is viewed by <\/p>\n

836
\n00:57:00,480 –> 00:57:06,400
\nthe Catholic Church as the first
\nof a long line of popes. <\/p>\n

837
\n00:57:07,520 –> 00:57:10,720
\nIt is believed that all popes
\ntoday, or excuse me, the Pope <\/p>\n

838
\n00:57:10,720 –> 00:57:15,160
\ntoday, and popes in the past can
\ntrace their line or their <\/p>\n

839
\n00:57:15,160 –> 00:57:17,640
\nlineage right back to the
\nApostle Peter. <\/p>\n

840
\n00:57:17,640 –> 00:57:20,600
\nThey are in a certain sense
\nviewed as his successors. <\/p>\n

841
\n00:57:22,440 –> 00:57:28,680
\nTherefore, Peter would be viewed
\nas a Pope by model and example <\/p>\n

842
\n00:57:28,680 –> 00:57:33,400
\nfor all other popes, and it
\nwould be held that he viewed his<\/p>\n

843
\n00:57:33,400 –> 00:57:37,120
\npersonal authority as a Pope,
\nthe first Pope, in much the same<\/p>\n

844
\n00:57:37,120 –> 00:57:40,200
\nway as of course Pope’s would
\ndefine or express their <\/p>\n

845
\n00:57:40,360 –> 00:57:44,320
\nauthority today.
\nBut notice what first the Peter <\/p>\n

846
\n00:57:44,320 –> 00:57:46,480
\nsaid written from Peter’s own
\nhand. <\/p>\n

847
\n00:57:46,960 –> 00:57:52,920
\nPeter says in first of Peter
\nchapter one verse 23, he says <\/p>\n

848
\n00:57:52,920 –> 00:58:00,080
\nthis being born again, not of
\ncorruptible speed, but of <\/p>\n

849
\n00:58:00,120 –> 00:58:09,360
\nincorruptible by the word of
\nGod, which liveth and abideth <\/p>\n

850
\n00:58:09,680 –> 00:58:14,880
\nforever.
\nVerse 25 Peter Wright but the <\/p>\n

851
\n00:58:14,880 –> 00:58:20,160
\nword of the Lord endureth
\nforever. <\/p>\n

852
\n00:58:20,160 –> 00:58:24,040
\nNow we might ask what word is
\nPeter talking about? <\/p>\n

853
\n00:58:24,720 –> 00:58:29,240
\nHow restricted is this term the
\nword of God means? <\/p>\n

854
\n00:58:29,240 –> 00:58:31,840
\nDoes it embrace tradition for
\nexample, or some other form of <\/p>\n

855
\n00:58:31,840 –> 00:58:34,040
\ndivine revelation apart from the
\nBible? <\/p>\n

856
\n00:58:34,520 –> 00:58:38,880
\nWhat the Peter said, verse 25
\nBut the word of the Lord <\/p>\n

857
\n00:58:38,880 –> 00:58:47,240
\nendureth forever, and this is
\nthe word which by the gospel is <\/p>\n

858
\n00:58:47,240 –> 00:58:51,880
\npreached unto you.
\nIt was something the apostle and<\/p>\n

859
\n00:58:51,880 –> 00:58:56,120
\nthe other apostles had preached
\nand were preaching. <\/p>\n

860
\n00:58:57,240 –> 00:59:01,040
\nIt was something that was
\ndefined as the gospel. <\/p>\n

861
\n00:59:01,840 –> 00:59:05,720
\nIt was something that was
\nrevealed in New Testament time. <\/p>\n

862
\n00:59:07,000 –> 00:59:09,760
\nNow make that a little more
\nclear. <\/p>\n

863
\n00:59:10,440 –> 00:59:16,680
\nIn Peter’s second Epistle,
\nchapter 3, he refers to the word<\/p>\n

864
\n00:59:16,680 –> 00:59:25,200
\nagain.
\nSecond Peter, chapter 3, he says<\/p>\n

865
\n00:59:25,200 –> 00:59:29,800
\nin verses one and two.
\nThis second epistle, beloved, I <\/p>\n

866
\n00:59:29,800 –> 00:59:35,960
\nnow write unto you in both which
\nI stir up your pure mind by way <\/p>\n

867
\n00:59:35,960 –> 00:59:41,840
\nof remembrance, that He may be
\nmindful of the word which were <\/p>\n

868
\n00:59:41,840 –> 00:59:47,160
\nspoken before the Holy Prophet
\nand the commandment of us, the <\/p>\n

869
\n00:59:47,160 –> 00:59:50,600
\napostles of the Lord and Savior.
\nWhat words are they? <\/p>\n

870
\n00:59:50,800 –> 00:59:55,760
\nIs he referring to the words
\nwhich were spoken before by the <\/p>\n

871
\n00:59:55,760 –> 00:59:58,400
\nholy prophets?
\nAnd He is stirring up their <\/p>\n

872
\n00:59:58,400 –> 01:00:02,440
\nremembrance of these things.
\nSo the word preached is <\/p>\n

873
\n01:00:02,440 –> 01:00:05,000
\nsomething that they had already
\nbeen given prior to. <\/p>\n

874
\n01:00:05,000 –> 01:00:09,160
\nThis wasn’t something that would
\nbe after New Testament times, <\/p>\n

875
\n01:00:09,440 –> 01:00:12,200
\nbut something that had already
\nbeen given to them in the past. <\/p>\n

876
\n01:00:12,200 –> 01:00:14,520
\nAnd He is stirring up the
\nremembrance of them. <\/p>\n

877
\n01:00:15,320 –> 01:00:19,600
\nThat’s the word he’s referring
\nto, and he said that you can be <\/p>\n

878
\n01:00:19,600 –> 01:00:26,640
\nborn again by this word, which
\nhe describes as a seed which <\/p>\n

879
\n01:00:26,680 –> 01:00:32,200
\nliveth and abideth forever.
\nYou see, because he says that <\/p>\n

880
\n01:00:32,200 –> 01:00:36,560
\nlives and abides forever, he
\nclearly did not view the Bible <\/p>\n

881
\n01:00:36,720 –> 01:00:38,480
\nas something that was a dead
\nletter. <\/p>\n

882
\n01:00:38,960 –> 01:00:42,560
\nHe viewed it rather as something
\nthat was a dynamic force, <\/p>\n

883
\n01:00:43,040 –> 01:00:48,680
\nsomething living and powerful.
\nSo if we just look at some more <\/p>\n

884
\n01:00:48,680 –> 01:00:53,120
\nof those points by O’Brien and
\nsome of the other writers, we <\/p>\n

885
\n01:00:53,120 –> 01:00:58,720
\nsee that what Peter says, what
\nPaul says about the Bible and <\/p>\n

886
\n01:00:58,720 –> 01:01:02,320
\nits authority is really quite
\ncontradictory to a number of <\/p>\n

887
\n01:01:02,320 –> 01:01:07,000
\nthese Catholic statements.
\nThe Bible does claim on its own <\/p>\n

888
\n01:01:07,000 –> 01:01:11,080
\naccord to be inspired.
\nThe Bible does claim, the <\/p>\n

889
\n01:01:11,080 –> 01:01:15,080
\napostles claim that the word,
\nthe written word is <\/p>\n

890
\n01:01:15,080 –> 01:01:20,360
\nself-sufficient, that it is
\npowerful, dynamic, like a seed, <\/p>\n

891
\n01:01:20,360 –> 01:01:24,560
\nthat it lives in a bind and can
\nmake a man fully mature, <\/p>\n

892
\n01:01:24,840 –> 01:01:27,160
\nthoroughly furnished onto all
\ngood works. <\/p>\n

893
\n01:01:28,720 –> 01:01:31,600
\nYou see the scriptures if you
\nlook at them carefully ladies <\/p>\n

894
\n01:01:31,600 –> 01:01:36,200
\nand gentlemen, never teach the
\nself-sufficiency of the church, <\/p>\n

895
\n01:01:37,240 –> 01:01:39,520
\nthat is the people and its
\nadministrative body. <\/p>\n

896
\n01:01:40,200 –> 01:01:43,000
\nThere is not a statement
\nanywhere in the New Testament <\/p>\n

897
\n01:01:43,400 –> 01:01:47,360
\nthat suggests that the Church
\nitself is self-sufficient. <\/p>\n

898
\n01:01:48,320 –> 01:01:52,880
\nRather, the New Testament
\nwriters stress the unrivaled <\/p>\n

899
\n01:01:52,880 –> 01:01:56,560
\nauthority and the supreme value
\nof the written Scriptures. <\/p>\n

900
\n01:01:57,560 –> 01:02:00,440
\nIndirectly, the supreme
\nimportance of the written <\/p>\n

901
\n01:02:00,440 –> 01:02:05,080
\nscripture is demonstrated in the
\nteaching form that is used by <\/p>\n

902
\n01:02:05,080 –> 01:02:09,240
\nthe Apostle Jesus despite his
\ndivine authority. <\/p>\n

903
\n01:02:09,480 –> 01:02:13,600
\nLadies and gentlemen, although
\nintroducing a new covenant, <\/p>\n

904
\n01:02:14,480 –> 01:02:18,880
\nconstantly establish his
\nteaching by reference to the <\/p>\n

905
\n01:02:18,880 –> 01:02:22,520
\nprevious record of Scripture.
\nJesus did this constantly. <\/p>\n

906
\n01:02:23,280 –> 01:02:26,160
\nConstantly.
\nThe Gospels show Jesus <\/p>\n

907
\n01:02:26,160 –> 01:02:28,920
\nintroducing his teaching
\nalthough it was a new covenant <\/p>\n

908
\n01:02:29,120 –> 01:02:34,160
\nby phrases like it is written,
\nthus it becometh the scriptures,<\/p>\n

909
\n01:02:34,760 –> 01:02:36,840
\nthus it is fulfilling the
\nscriptures. <\/p>\n

910
\n01:02:37,400 –> 01:02:42,000
\nThe Scriptures say.
\nAnd of course the Lord, being <\/p>\n

911
\n01:02:42,000 –> 01:02:45,160
\nthe Master himself, could have
\ncircumvented that. <\/p>\n

912
\n01:02:45,920 –> 01:02:49,040
\nHe didn’t need to introduce his
\nnew covenant, his new teaching, <\/p>\n

913
\n01:02:49,040 –> 01:02:53,600
\nin a certain sense that way.
\nBut he did because the apostles <\/p>\n

914
\n01:02:53,600 –> 01:02:57,440
\nalso did it and because it was
\nthe scriptural thing to do. <\/p>\n

915
\n01:02:57,880 –> 01:03:01,520
\nWhatever Jesus taught her said
\nwas viewed in the context of <\/p>\n

916
\n01:03:01,520 –> 01:03:04,160
\nprevious divine written
\nrevelation. <\/p>\n

917
\n01:03:04,960 –> 01:03:08,320
\nAnd we’ll see that whatever the
\napostles preached and said to <\/p>\n

918
\n01:03:08,320 –> 01:03:10,480
\ntheir listeners, although they
\nwere presenting the new <\/p>\n

919
\n01:03:10,480 –> 01:03:15,040
\ncovenant, was always in the
\ncontext and with the rider that <\/p>\n

920
\n01:03:15,040 –> 01:03:19,120
\nit was found in previous divine
\nwritten revelation. <\/p>\n

921
\n01:03:20,840 –> 01:03:25,640
\nSo that Jesus pinpointed his
\ncriticism of a group of people <\/p>\n

922
\n01:03:25,640 –> 01:03:32,440
\nin his own day who the Jews, the
\nrabbi trusted in tradition, they<\/p>\n

923
\n01:03:32,440 –> 01:03:36,880
\ntrusted in an oral tradition
\nthat they believed supplemented <\/p>\n

924
\n01:03:36,880 –> 01:03:40,160
\nas rabbis, the written record
\nthought wasn’t contradictory. <\/p>\n

925
\n01:03:40,960 –> 01:03:46,120
\nAnd to that Jesus said this,
\nMark 7, verses 6 to 9. <\/p>\n

926
\n01:03:46,520 –> 01:03:49,560
\nAnd I’m going to quote the new
\nCatholic Bible, the new American<\/p>\n

927
\n01:03:49,560 –> 01:03:55,800
\nCatholic Bible.
\nJesus says this in Mark 7 verse <\/p>\n

928
\n01:03:55,800 –> 01:04:05,040
\n6 to 9, speaking to his fellow
\nJews who trusted on the <\/p>\n

929
\n01:04:05,040 –> 01:04:08,480
\nauthority of tradition that
\nsupposedly supplemented <\/p>\n

930
\n01:04:08,480 –> 01:04:13,320
\nscripture.
\nHe says how accurately Isaiah <\/p>\n

931
\n01:04:13,320 –> 01:04:17,240
\nprophesied about you hypocrites
\nwhen he wrote this. <\/p>\n

932
\n01:04:17,240 –> 01:04:21,240
\nPeople pays lip service, but
\ntheir heart is far from me <\/p>\n

933
\n01:04:21,880 –> 01:04:26,200
\nbecause they teach as dogmas
\nmere human precepts. <\/p>\n

934
\n01:04:27,000 –> 01:04:31,000
\nJesus continues.
\nYou disregard God’s commandments<\/p>\n

935
\n01:04:31,040 –> 01:04:34,760
\nand cling to what is human
\ntradition. <\/p>\n

936
\n01:04:35,440 –> 01:04:39,400
\nHe went on to say.
\nYou have made a fine art of <\/p>\n

937
\n01:04:39,400 –> 01:04:44,400
\nsetting aside God’s commandments
\nin the interests of keeping your<\/p>\n

938
\n01:04:44,520 –> 01:04:48,080
\ntradition.
\nLadies and gentlemen, if you <\/p>\n

939
\n01:04:48,080 –> 01:04:51,200
\nlook up the word tradition in a
\nBible concordance, which is like<\/p>\n

940
\n01:04:51,200 –> 01:04:54,480
\na Bible dictionary, you know
\nwhat you’ll discover about Jesus<\/p>\n

941
\n01:04:54,480 –> 01:04:59,080
\nuse of the word tradition.
\nEvery single reference to the <\/p>\n

942
\n01:04:59,080 –> 01:05:04,280
\nword tradition by Jesus Christ
\nis in a disparaging sense, every<\/p>\n

943
\n01:05:04,280 –> 01:05:09,160
\nsingle one.
\nAnd the majority of references <\/p>\n

944
\n01:05:09,160 –> 01:05:13,840
\nin the New Testament outside of
\nthe Gospels 2 tradition are also<\/p>\n

945
\n01:05:13,840 –> 01:05:17,280
\nin a disparaging context.
\nThere are only two in the New <\/p>\n

946
\n01:05:17,280 –> 01:05:21,960
\nTestament that use tradition in
\nthe sense of the Apostolic <\/p>\n

947
\n01:05:21,960 –> 01:05:24,720
\nsense.
\nThat is tradition referring to <\/p>\n

948
\n01:05:24,720 –> 01:05:27,600
\nwhat Peter says, what has
\nalready been delivered by the <\/p>\n

949
\n01:05:27,600 –> 01:05:30,720
\napostles and confirmed to them
\nin writing. <\/p>\n

950
\n01:05:31,560 –> 01:05:34,720
\nAll other references to
\ntradition are disparaging, and <\/p>\n

951
\n01:05:34,760 –> 01:05:38,560
\nall the references to tradition
\nby Jesus himself are purely <\/p>\n

952
\n01:05:38,600 –> 01:05:40,800
\ndisparaging.
\nAnd of course, what he had in <\/p>\n

953
\n01:05:40,800 –> 01:05:44,600
\nmind were the people around him
\nwho held to this supposedly <\/p>\n

954
\n01:05:44,760 –> 01:05:48,960
\nsupplementary authority.
\nWe believe the example of Jesus <\/p>\n

955
\n01:05:49,160 –> 01:05:51,720
\nis pertinent and the example of
\nthe apostle. <\/p>\n

956
\n01:05:52,680 –> 01:05:56,440
\nWe’d like to conclude by turning
\nto the Bible passage we had read<\/p>\n

957
\n01:05:56,440 –> 01:05:58,760
\nthis evening.
\nThis, we believe, is an <\/p>\n

958
\n01:05:58,760 –> 01:06:01,600
\nappropriate summary of our
\nappeal. <\/p>\n

959
\n01:06:02,480 –> 01:06:04,080
\nThis is found in the book of the
\nActs. <\/p>\n

960
\n01:06:04,080 –> 01:06:07,600
\nWe believe it’s a very important
\nBible passage to clearly think <\/p>\n

961
\n01:06:07,600 –> 01:06:22,520
\nabout Acts chapter 17 before we
\njust look at the pertinent <\/p>\n

962
\n01:06:22,520 –> 01:06:24,960
\nsection.
\nWe believe it’s pertinent to the<\/p>\n

963
\n01:06:24,960 –> 01:06:27,360
\nCatholic cause and to the
\nCatholic conviction. <\/p>\n

964
\n01:06:27,840 –> 01:06:30,800
\nCan we just preface why we’re
\nlooking at this passage in Acts <\/p>\n

965
\n01:06:30,800 –> 01:06:35,240
\n17 as a summary?
\nThe reason why we’re looking at <\/p>\n

966
\n01:06:35,240 –> 01:06:37,960
\nthis passage, ladies and
\ngentlemen, is as follows. <\/p>\n

967
\n01:06:39,360 –> 01:06:43,200
\nThe Catholic community views
\noral tradition or the living <\/p>\n

968
\n01:06:43,200 –> 01:06:47,960
\nvoice as being something which,
\nalthough it doesn’t contradict <\/p>\n

969
\n01:06:48,240 –> 01:06:52,320
\nsupplement, presides over,
\ninterprets as the living voice <\/p>\n

970
\n01:06:52,800 –> 01:06:56,800
\nthe written message.
\nThey believe that on all scores,<\/p>\n

971
\n01:06:56,800 –> 01:07:01,480
\ntherefore, the living voice is
\nmore dynamic and is in a certain<\/p>\n

972
\n01:07:01,480 –> 01:07:05,400
\nsense the greater authority.
\nIt embraces Scripture in that <\/p>\n

973
\n01:07:05,400 –> 01:07:08,640
\nsense.
\nIt is believed that because the <\/p>\n

974
\n01:07:08,640 –> 01:07:12,400
\nMagisterium of the Catholic
\nChurch, the officiating body, is<\/p>\n

975
\n01:07:12,400 –> 01:07:16,720
\nguided by the Holy Spirit and
\nhas such a living, dynamic <\/p>\n

976
\n01:07:16,840 –> 01:07:22,240
\npresent voice that is guiding
\nthem, then you should trust and <\/p>\n

977
\n01:07:22,240 –> 01:07:25,680
\nput your faith in what they say,
\neven though certain doctrines <\/p>\n

978
\n01:07:25,680 –> 01:07:27,040
\nmay not be directly in the
\nBible. <\/p>\n

979
\n01:07:28,000 –> 01:07:32,280
\nNow it would be helpful to test
\nthis in a scriptural sense, and <\/p>\n

980
\n01:07:32,280 –> 01:07:36,240
\nwe can do this with Acts 17.
\nIf we could find an example, <\/p>\n

981
\n01:07:36,240 –> 01:07:40,080
\nladies and gentlemen, in the New
\nTestament of a case something <\/p>\n

982
\n01:07:40,080 –> 01:07:43,360
\nlike this, where we have an
\napostle, let’s say someone like <\/p>\n

983
\n01:07:43,360 –> 01:07:47,320
\nPaul, who is speaking to an
\naudience not converted. <\/p>\n

984
\n01:07:48,400 –> 01:07:51,840
\nHere is Paul and all would agree
\nhe was guided by the Holy Spirit<\/p>\n

985
\n01:07:51,960 –> 01:07:55,680
\nand claims such.
\nIf we had a case of someone like<\/p>\n

986
\n01:07:55,680 –> 01:08:00,080
\nPaul speaking obviously by
\ninspiration of the Holy Spirit <\/p>\n

987
\n01:08:00,680 –> 01:08:08,040
\nand having his oral message
\ntested, checked, weighed up and <\/p>\n

988
\n01:08:08,040 –> 01:08:10,120
\nweighed against the written
\nmessage. <\/p>\n

989
\n01:08:11,120 –> 01:08:15,920
\nIf we had an example like that,
\nwe would find something that <\/p>\n

990
\n01:08:15,920 –> 01:08:19,520
\nwe’re looking for to test the
\nCatholic claim quite succinctly.<\/p>\n

991
\n01:08:20,560 –> 01:08:26,520
\nLet’s look at Acts 17.
\nActs 17, verse one brings Paul <\/p>\n

992
\n01:08:26,520 –> 01:08:30,279
\ninto Amphipolis in Apollonia may
\ncome to Thessalonica, we’re told<\/p>\n

993
\n01:08:30,560 –> 01:08:35,200
\nto a synagogue of the Jews.
\nVerse 2 Paul as his manner was <\/p>\n

994
\n01:08:35,200 –> 01:08:38,920
\nwent in unto them, and for three
\nSabbath he reasoned with them <\/p>\n

995
\n01:08:38,960 –> 01:08:43,200
\nout of the Scriptures opening
\nand alleging that Christ must <\/p>\n

996
\n01:08:43,200 –> 01:08:46,240
\nneed have suffered.
\nNotice that phrase in verse two,<\/p>\n

997
\n01:08:46,840 –> 01:08:52,520
\nHe reasoned with them out of the
\nscriptures. <\/p>\n

998
\n01:08:52,840 –> 01:09:00,760
\nVerse two, as his manner was
\nPaul’s posture in talking to non<\/p>\n

999
\n01:09:00,760 –> 01:09:04,880
\nChristian, although they were
\nJews and knew the Bible was to <\/p>\n

1000
\n01:09:04,880 –> 01:09:10,080
\nmake his Apostolic appeal by a
\nreasoning from the written <\/p>\n

1001
\n01:09:10,080 –> 01:09:12,880
\nmessage.
\nDespite his Apostolic authority,<\/p>\n

1002
\n01:09:13,479 –> 01:09:17,520
\ndespite his inspired Holy Spirit
\nguidance, he stuck to the <\/p>\n

1003
\n01:09:17,520 –> 01:09:21,319
\nscriptures.
\nVerse three he opened and he had<\/p>\n

1004
\n01:09:21,319 –> 01:09:24,240
\nLED from those scriptures of
\nalways preaching the new <\/p>\n

1005
\n01:09:24,240 –> 01:09:26,479
\ncovenant and of always preaching
\nChrist. <\/p>\n

1006
\n01:09:26,479 –> 01:09:27,720
\nHe does it from the Old
\nTestament. <\/p>\n

1007
\n01:09:28,240 –> 01:09:31,960
\nHe does it from previously
\ndivine written revelation. <\/p>\n

1008
\n01:09:32,680 –> 01:09:37,279
\nThen the story continues, he
\nmoves on from this place to <\/p>\n

1009
\n01:09:37,279 –> 01:09:40,520
\nanother, and we read, if we just
\nslip down to verse 10. <\/p>\n

1010
\n01:09:41,200 –> 01:09:44,600
\nAnd the brethren immediately
\nsent Paul and Silas by night <\/p>\n

1011
\n01:09:44,600 –> 01:09:48,520
\nunto Berea little town, who
\ncoming thither went into the <\/p>\n

1012
\n01:09:48,520 –> 01:09:53,040
\nsynagogue of the Jews.
\nThese were more noble. <\/p>\n

1013
\n01:09:54,320 –> 01:09:59,200
\nThese were more noble, these
\nJews in the synagogue than those<\/p>\n

1014
\n01:09:59,200 –> 01:10:01,040
\nin Thessalonica.
\nHow so? <\/p>\n

1015
\n01:10:01,720 –> 01:10:09,600
\nIn that they received the word
\nwith all readiness of mind and <\/p>\n

1016
\n01:10:09,720 –> 01:10:17,080
\nsearch the scriptures daily,
\nwhether whether those things <\/p>\n

1017
\n01:10:17,080 –> 01:10:21,560
\nwere sold.
\nWho’s being tested, Paul? <\/p>\n

1018
\n01:10:22,400 –> 01:10:24,360
\nWhere is he preaching?
\nIn the synagogue? <\/p>\n

1019
\n01:10:24,880 –> 01:10:26,840
\nTo whom is he preaching?
\nThe Jews? <\/p>\n

1020
\n01:10:27,920 –> 01:10:30,120
\nAnd why are these people
\ncommended? <\/p>\n

1021
\n01:10:30,840 –> 01:10:35,160
\nThey are commended because they
\nreceived Paul’s word with all <\/p>\n

1022
\n01:10:35,160 –> 01:10:41,080
\nreadiness of mind and searched
\nthe scriptures daily, whether <\/p>\n

1023
\n01:10:41,440 –> 01:10:46,400
\nthose things were so, in other
\nwords, they went home or they <\/p>\n

1024
\n01:10:46,400 –> 01:10:50,360
\nwent to the synagogue table,
\ntook their scriptures in hand <\/p>\n

1025
\n01:10:50,600 –> 01:10:57,360
\nand tested whether the oral
\nmessage, the inspired oral <\/p>\n

1026
\n01:10:57,360 –> 01:11:03,400
\nliving message, measured up to
\nthe previous divine revelation <\/p>\n

1027
\n01:11:03,400 –> 01:11:05,520
\nin their scripture.
\nThese were Jews. <\/p>\n

1028
\n01:11:05,920 –> 01:11:07,000
\nThey didn’t have the New
\nTestament. <\/p>\n

1029
\n01:11:07,000 –> 01:11:10,040
\nThey didn’t accept it.
\nThey took their Old Testament <\/p>\n

1030
\n01:11:10,040 –> 01:11:13,920
\nscriptures there in the
\nsynagogue and daily searched to <\/p>\n

1031
\n01:11:13,920 –> 01:11:19,920
\nsee whether this man inspired,
\nauthoritative as he was, was <\/p>\n

1032
\n01:11:19,920 –> 01:11:24,480
\nsaying something that squared
\nwith the written message. <\/p>\n

1033
\n01:11:25,360 –> 01:11:28,120
\nThe written message, ladies and
\ngentlemen, was the measuring <\/p>\n

1034
\n01:11:28,200 –> 01:11:31,560
\nthing.
\nIt was the divine standard of <\/p>\n

1035
\n01:11:31,560 –> 01:11:36,040
\ncorrectness or incorrectness.
\nAnd here the scriptures do not <\/p>\n

1036
\n01:11:36,040 –> 01:11:38,520
\nlook at the Bereans as insulting
\nPaul. <\/p>\n

1037
\n01:11:39,320 –> 01:11:43,280
\nThey’re not viewed as being
\noverly sceptical or being rather<\/p>\n

1038
\n01:11:43,280 –> 01:11:48,120
\nhard nosed.
\nIt says they were more noble <\/p>\n

1039
\n01:11:48,680 –> 01:11:52,760
\nthan those of Thespoonica in
\nthat they did this, they <\/p>\n

1040
\n01:11:52,760 –> 01:11:55,440
\nreceived the Word with all
\nreadiness, and they searched the<\/p>\n

1041
\n01:11:55,440 –> 01:11:59,240
\nScriptures daily.
\nLadies and gentlemen, we have <\/p>\n

1042
\n01:11:59,240 –> 01:12:04,240
\nhere before us a supreme and
\nstartling example that when the <\/p>\n

1043
\n01:12:04,240 –> 01:12:08,360
\nliving voice was present, guided
\nby the Holy Spirit, people who <\/p>\n

1044
\n01:12:08,360 –> 01:12:12,480
\nchecked their Bibles, the
\nwritten message to test whether <\/p>\n

1045
\n01:12:12,680 –> 01:12:16,840
\nthe oral message was correct
\nwere commended for it as being <\/p>\n

1046
\n01:12:16,840 –> 01:12:20,120
\nnoble.
\nWe have some handouts now that <\/p>\n

1047
\n01:12:20,120 –> 01:12:24,040
\nour lecture is included, not the
\nbook, but some supplementary <\/p>\n

1048
\n01:12:24,040 –> 01:12:26,000
\npages.
\nWe’re going to give those to you<\/p>\n

1049
\n01:12:26,000 –> 01:12:28,800
\nnow, and we’re just going to
\ncomment on why we’re giving them<\/p>\n

1050
\n01:12:28,800 –> 01:12:30,960
\nto you, and we’ll close and ask
\nfor questions. <\/p>\n

1051
\n01:12:31,480 –> 01:12:33,800
\nCould we have our stewards just
\ngive out these pages? <\/p>\n

1052
\n01:12:33,920 –> 01:12:38,800
\nIt wasn’t the purpose of our
\naddress this evening to deal in <\/p>\n

1053
\n01:12:38,800 –> 01:12:42,680
\ndetail with the Bible teaching
\nof the soul and what it means. <\/p>\n

1054
\n01:12:43,880 –> 01:12:48,440
\nBut on these pages we have tried
\nto categorize for you a number <\/p>\n

1055
\n01:12:48,440 –> 01:12:53,240
\nof very important Bible passages
\nshowing we believe quite clearly<\/p>\n

1056
\n01:12:53,360 –> 01:12:56,000
\nthat the doctrine of the
\nimmortal soul as understood by <\/p>\n

1057
\n01:12:56,000 –> 01:12:57,840
\nthe Catholic Church is quite an
\nerror. <\/p>\n

1058
\n01:12:58,320 –> 01:13:02,000
\nIt does not represent nor
\nsupplement the biblical <\/p>\n

1059
\n01:13:02,000 –> 01:13:04,480
\nrevelation.
\nInstead, it contradicts it. <\/p>\n

1060
\n01:13:05,840 –> 01:13:08,240
\nWhen you look at the Bible’s
\nteaching, you find it. <\/p>\n

1061
\n01:13:08,240 –> 01:13:10,360
\nBut we just browse the few pages
\nwe have. <\/p>\n

1062
\n01:13:10,640 –> 01:13:15,840
\nThe first page shows you that
\nthe word soul is used of the <\/p>\n

1063
\n01:13:15,840 –> 01:13:20,960
\ncreation of man in Genesis 2,
\nbut it’s also used to describe <\/p>\n

1064
\n01:13:20,960 –> 01:13:25,520
\nthe animals, as a Catholic
\npamphlet admits down at the <\/p>\n

1065
\n01:13:25,520 –> 01:13:28,560
\nbottom of the first page.
\nLook at how the word soul is <\/p>\n

1066
\n01:13:28,560 –> 01:13:32,240
\nused in your Bible.
\nRather than describing something<\/p>\n

1067
\n01:13:32,240 –> 01:13:37,360
\nimmortal, intangible, or a spark
\nfrom God, it’s used to describe <\/p>\n

1068
\n01:13:37,360 –> 01:13:40,760
\nthings that can be strangled.
\nSouls are described as having <\/p>\n

1069
\n01:13:40,760 –> 01:13:43,080
\nblood.
\nSouls are described as having <\/p>\n

1070
\n01:13:43,080 –> 01:13:46,520
\nbeen bought or sold, touched or
\neaten in the Bible. <\/p>\n

1071
\n01:13:47,040 –> 01:13:50,760
\nSecond page.
\nTherefore we show you a number <\/p>\n

1072
\n01:13:50,760 –> 01:13:55,200
\nof Bible passages where the soul
\nis described as perishing, a <\/p>\n

1073
\n01:13:55,200 –> 01:13:59,160
\nsoul is described as being able
\nto be put to the sword and of <\/p>\n

1074
\n01:13:59,160 –> 01:14:03,800
\ndone a soul is used and it is
\ndescribed rather as being <\/p>\n

1075
\n01:14:03,800 –> 01:14:07,720
\nunconscious in the death state
\nof being like asleep or <\/p>\n

1076
\n01:14:07,720 –> 01:14:11,160
\noblivion.
\nThere are some rather startling <\/p>\n

1077
\n01:14:11,160 –> 01:14:14,680
\nadmissions listed on the second
\npage from various <\/p>\n

1078
\n01:14:14,680 –> 01:14:18,200
\nrepresentations of the Christian
\ncommunity apart from Catholics <\/p>\n

1079
\n01:14:18,640 –> 01:14:22,680
\nadmitting that the word soul
\nreally is not described as being<\/p>\n

1080
\n01:14:22,680 –> 01:14:28,920
\nimmortal in the Bible.
\nThe third page, Some historical <\/p>\n

1081
\n01:14:28,920 –> 01:14:34,320
\nreferences from Encyclopedia
\nHerodotus, the old Greek <\/p>\n

1082
\n01:14:34,320 –> 01:14:38,160
\nhistorian who wrote well before
\nthe time of Christ, tells us the<\/p>\n

1083
\n01:14:38,160 –> 01:14:42,720
\nconcept of the immortal soul
\ncame from Egypt, given in his <\/p>\n

1084
\n01:14:42,720 –> 01:14:44,560
\nrise and fall of the Roman
\nEmpire. <\/p>\n

1085
\n01:14:45,680 –> 01:14:49,920
\nCandidly knows as an objective
\nhistorian, and by the way he was<\/p>\n

1086
\n01:14:49,920 –> 01:14:53,880
\nan atheist, that the immortality
\nof the soul is omitted in the <\/p>\n

1087
\n01:14:53,880 –> 01:14:57,040
\nLaw of Moses.
\nMosheim, one of the oldest <\/p>\n

1088
\n01:14:57,040 –> 01:15:01,880
\necclesiastical historian,
\naffirms that it was from Plato <\/p>\n

1089
\n01:15:02,240 –> 01:15:05,520
\nthat the immortal soul concept
\ncrept into Christian <\/p>\n

1090
\n01:15:05,520 –> 01:15:09,320
\ncommunities.
\nJustin Martyr, viewed as one of <\/p>\n

1091
\n01:15:09,320 –> 01:15:13,920
\nthe early church fathered by the
\nCatholic Church, says in the <\/p>\n

1092
\n01:15:13,920 –> 01:15:18,680
\nmiddle of that quote that the
\nconcept of the soul as leaving <\/p>\n

1093
\n01:15:18,680 –> 01:15:22,280
\nthe body and going to heaven
\nwhen a man dies was something <\/p>\n

1094
\n01:15:22,280 –> 01:15:25,720
\nthat had cracked in from outside
\nof the true Christian community.<\/p>\n

1095
\n01:15:26,800 –> 01:15:31,080
\nThe 4th page.
\nA quotation at the top from <\/p>\n

1096
\n01:15:31,080 –> 01:15:36,760
\nEncyclopedia Britannica showing
\nthat Augustine, again regarded <\/p>\n

1097
\n01:15:36,760 –> 01:15:40,200
\nas one of the early fathers of
\nthe Catholic Church, borrowed <\/p>\n

1098
\n01:15:40,200 –> 01:15:45,800
\nfrom Plato in his concept and
\nhis definition of the immortal <\/p>\n

1099
\n01:15:45,800 –> 01:15:49,480
\nsoul.
\nCollier’s Encyclopedia backed <\/p>\n

1100
\n01:15:49,480 –> 01:15:52,960
\nthat up.
\nThe American Encyclopedia backs <\/p>\n

1101
\n01:15:52,960 –> 01:15:57,800
\nthat up, that Augustine borrowed
\nfrom Plato in his concept of the<\/p>\n

1102
\n01:15:57,800 –> 01:16:00,200
\nsoul.
\nJust notice the bottom of page <\/p>\n

1103
\n01:16:00,200 –> 01:16:07,080
\n4, volume to 1971 and 79 rather
\nthat contribution. <\/p>\n

1104
\n01:16:07,080 –> 01:16:11,120
\nRK Ryan is a Catholic.
\nHe signs his name at the bottom <\/p>\n

1105
\n01:16:11,120 –> 01:16:15,600
\nof the encyclopedia entry.
\nA Catholic writer in that <\/p>\n

1106
\n01:16:15,600 –> 01:16:20,360
\nencyclopedia says this.
\nThe sole, according to the view <\/p>\n

1107
\n01:16:20,360 –> 01:16:23,320
\nof Augustine, is a true
\nsubstance and not a mere <\/p>\n

1108
\n01:16:23,320 –> 01:16:27,600
\naccidental reality.
\nFor its immortality, Augustine <\/p>\n

1109
\n01:16:27,600 –> 01:16:31,320
\nadvances various proofs which
\nderive from Plato. <\/p>\n

1110
\n01:16:31,640 –> 01:16:35,120
\nThat’s a Catholic writer.
\nWe hope that you will look at <\/p>\n

1111
\n01:16:35,120 –> 01:16:39,480
\nthe last page.
\nIt shows what the Bible means by<\/p>\n

1112
\n01:16:39,480 –> 01:16:41,520
\nthe word soul in the New
\nTestament. <\/p>\n

1113
\n01:16:42,520 –> 01:16:45,800
\nIn first Two Corinthians 15, the
\napostle Paul sets up a <\/p>\n

1114
\n01:16:45,800 –> 01:16:53,560
\ncomparison and Speaking of what
\nhappens to a body when it dies <\/p>\n

1115
\n01:16:54,040 –> 01:16:56,720
\nand what it’s like when it’s
\nresurrected by Christ. <\/p>\n

1116
\n01:16:57,000 –> 01:17:03,160
\nHe says that a body is sown
\nfirst in verse 40 as an earthy <\/p>\n

1117
\n01:17:03,160 –> 01:17:05,000
\nbody and then raised to the
\nheavenly. <\/p>\n

1118
\n01:17:05,640 –> 01:17:09,040
\nA body when it dies is subject
\nto decay, but then it will be <\/p>\n

1119
\n01:17:09,040 –> 01:17:12,320
\nraised to be incorruptible.
\nSo it’s not incorruptible to <\/p>\n

1120
\n01:17:12,320 –> 01:17:15,400
\nstart with.
\nA body is ignoble to start with <\/p>\n

1121
\n01:17:15,400 –> 01:17:18,160
\nand then glory.
\nA body, he says is sown in <\/p>\n

1122
\n01:17:18,160 –> 01:17:19,880
\nweakness, but it’s raised in
\nstrength. <\/p>\n

1123
\n01:17:19,880 –> 01:17:24,440
\nWhen Christ returns a body he
\nsays is natural, it’ll be raised<\/p>\n

1124
\n01:17:24,440 –> 01:17:29,080
\nspiritual later.
\nA body he says is sown. <\/p>\n

1125
\n01:17:29,480 –> 01:17:32,520
\nA living soul.
\nSee what the Bible means by <\/p>\n

1126
\n01:17:32,800 –> 01:17:35,640
\nsoul?
\nIt’s equivalent with a natural <\/p>\n

1127
\n01:17:35,640 –> 01:17:38,160
\nbody.
\nIt’s equated with something <\/p>\n

1128
\n01:17:38,160 –> 01:17:42,520
\nthat’s weak to the Bible.
\nA living soul is equated with <\/p>\n

1129
\n01:17:42,520 –> 01:17:46,120
\nsomething that’s ignoble,
\nsomething subject to decay, and <\/p>\n

1130
\n01:17:46,120 –> 01:17:49,360
\nbelow that something that is of
\nthe earth, Something he <\/p>\n

1131
\n01:17:49,360 –> 01:17:51,320
\ndescribes as being a flesh and
\nblood. <\/p>\n

1132
\n01:17:52,360 –> 01:17:55,440
\nA living soul, equated in his
\ncomparison with things that are <\/p>\n

1133
\n01:17:55,440 –> 01:17:58,640
\nasleep when they die, with
\nsomething that is corruptible <\/p>\n

1134
\n01:17:58,680 –> 01:18:02,400
\nand mortal.
\nAnd he says that only in the <\/p>\n

1135
\n01:18:02,400 –> 01:18:07,040
\nfuture, at the resurrection,
\nonly then will a living soul, <\/p>\n

1136
\n01:18:07,480 –> 01:18:10,560
\nsomething ignoble, something
\nweak, something that’s a natural<\/p>\n

1137
\n01:18:10,560 –> 01:18:14,200
\nbody, only then will it be
\nclothed with immortality. <\/p>\n

1138
\n01:18:14,920 –> 01:18:18,080
\nOur conclusion, ladies and
\ngentlemen, is on such basic <\/p>\n

1139
\n01:18:18,080 –> 01:18:21,800
\nfoundations.
\nWe sincerely believe the <\/p>\n

1140
\n01:18:21,800 –> 01:18:24,680
\ncommunity, half a community, is
\na stray. <\/p>\n

1141
\n01:18:25,080 –> 01:18:28,160
\nWe make an appeal to you to
\nconsider these and other <\/p>\n

1142
\n01:18:28,160 –> 01:18:31,000
\ndoctrines carefully in the light
\nof your Bible’s teaching. <\/p>\n

1143
\n01:18:31,640 –> 01:18:37,880
\nThank you.
\nYes, we do. <\/p>\n

1144
\n01:18:37,880 –> 01:18:41,320
\nThank you, friends.
\nWe thank Mr. Badger for bringing<\/p>\n

1145
\n01:18:41,320 –> 01:18:44,920
\nus this message.
\nIt’s finally important that we <\/p>\n

1146
\n01:18:44,920 –> 01:18:48,760
\nlook into this personally
\nbecause it is a matter of life <\/p>\n

1147
\n01:18:48,760 –> 01:18:52,040
\nand death, and it’s your life or
\nyour death we’re dealing with. <\/p>\n

1148
\n01:18:53,040 –> 01:18:56,000
\nWhen it comes to such things as
\ntraffic, we’re not permitted to <\/p>\n

1149
\n01:18:56,000 –> 01:18:58,920
\ndrive on whatever side of the
\nstreet we feel is right. <\/p>\n

1150
\n01:18:59,520 –> 01:19:00,880
\nIn England you drive on the
\nleft. <\/p>\n

1151
\n01:19:00,880 –> 01:19:04,320
\nHere you drive on the right.
\nWhen it comes to religion, we do<\/p>\n

1152
\n01:19:04,320 –> 01:19:07,280
\nnot have the right to make up
\nour own religion and decide that<\/p>\n

1153
\n01:19:07,280 –> 01:19:10,960
\nwhat we believe is correct
\nbecause we’re sincere, because <\/p>\n

1154
\n01:19:10,960 –> 01:19:13,520
\nit’s possible to be sincerely
\nwrong. <\/p>\n

1155
\n01:19:14,560 –> 01:19:18,960
\nMr. Badger tonight has shown us
\nhow the foundations can be <\/p>\n

1156
\n01:19:18,960 –> 01:19:22,240
\nincorrect, so we want you to
\nexamine yours. <\/p>\n

1157
\n01:19:22,240 –> 01:19:24,800
\nSo right now, if you have a
\nquestion you want to address to <\/p>\n

1158
\n01:19:24,800 –> 01:19:28,360
\nMr. Badger, would you just
\nplease raise your hand and he’ll<\/p>\n

1159
\n01:19:28,360 –> 01:19:31,800
\ncome forward and answer it for
\nyou, something that he dealt <\/p>\n

1160
\n01:19:31,800 –> 01:19:34,920
\nwith in his lecture tonight.
\nThen you won’t have any <\/p>\n

1161
\n01:19:34,920 –> 01:19:38,520
\nquestions.
\nIf you don’t want to ask a <\/p>\n

1162
\n01:19:38,520 –> 01:19:40,200
\nquestion, don’t.
\nIt’s all right. <\/p>\n

1163
\n01:19:40,480 –> 01:19:43,480
\nHe’ll be around afterwards to
\nanswer them personally in case <\/p>\n

1164
\n01:19:43,480 –> 01:19:47,040
\nyou would like to talk to him.
\nThe Christadelphians meet in <\/p>\n

1165
\n01:19:47,040 –> 01:19:50,120
\nthis place we have for some 38
\nyears. <\/p>\n

1166
\n01:19:50,480 –> 01:19:52,240
\nWe’re going to be moving away
\nsoon. <\/p>\n

1167
\n01:19:52,680 –> 01:19:54,840
\nWe want to invite you to come to
\nour new home. <\/p>\n

1168
\n01:19:54,840 –> 01:19:56,920
\nWe just purchased a building in
\nTahunga. <\/p>\n

1169
\n01:19:57,560 –> 01:20:01,120
\nBut the truth is everywhere
\nbecause the Bible is everywhere.<\/p>\n

1170
\n01:20:01,600 –> 01:20:05,400
\nAnd we would want you to follow
\nus if you’re interested in <\/p>\n

1171
\n01:20:06,080 –> 01:20:08,280
\ncontinuing your search for
\ntruth. <\/p>\n

1172
\n01:20:08,920 –> 01:20:14,840
\nBecause it’s sad but true that
\nmany, many people are wrong. <\/p>\n

1173
\n01:20:14,840 –> 01:20:17,440
\nIn fact, the majority have
\nalmost always been wrong. <\/p>\n

1174
\n01:20:17,680 –> 01:20:19,640
\nAt the time of the flood, there
\nwere only eight people out of. <\/p>\n

1175
\n01:20:20,320 –> 01:20:23,240
\n1,30,000,000 That we’re right.
\nWell, eight people out of <\/p>\n

1176
\n01:20:23,520 –> 01:20:27,720
\n1,30,000,000 at the time of
\nSodom and Gomorrah, there were <\/p>\n

1177
\n01:20:27,720 –> 01:20:30,840
\nfour people that left Sodom and
\neverybody else perished. <\/p>\n

1178
\n01:20:31,040 –> 01:20:33,520
\nSo the fact that we’re in the
\nmajority doesn’t prove we’re <\/p>\n

1179
\n01:20:33,520 –> 01:20:37,440
\nright.
\nSo don’t worry about numbers. <\/p>\n

1180
\n01:20:37,440 –> 01:20:39,480
\nLet’s concern ourselves with
\nfacts. <\/p>\n

1181
\n01:20:40,560 –> 01:20:41,880
\nAnd tonight we’ve looked at
\nsome. <\/p>\n

1182
\n01:20:41,880 –> 01:20:44,400
\nWe hope you’ll read this book.
\nWe’ll hope you’ll study with us.<\/p>\n

1183
\n01:20:44,400 –> 01:20:47,800
\nWe’d like to have your address.
\nOne of the presidents of the <\/p>\n

1184
\n01:20:47,800 –> 01:20:50,560
\nUnited States, which is now
\ndead, used to like to say, come,<\/p>\n

1185
\n01:20:50,560 –> 01:20:53,760
\nlet us reason together.
\nAnd we’re he. <\/p>\n

1186
\n01:20:54,000 –> 01:20:55,720
\nHe took that from the book of
\nIsaiah. <\/p>\n

1187
\n01:20:56,120 –> 01:20:57,600
\nAnd that’s our appeal to you
\ntonight. <\/p>\n

1188
\n01:20:58,160 –> 01:21:01,200
\nWe do not want to argue.
\nWe just want to sit down and <\/p>\n

1189
\n01:21:01,200 –> 01:21:03,800
\nreason together.
\nLet’s take your Bible and our <\/p>\n

1190
\n01:21:03,800 –> 01:21:07,040
\nBible and sit down and open them
\nup and say, what does it say? <\/p>\n

1191
\n01:21:08,000 –> 01:21:12,600
\nAre your foundations correct?
\nAnd if ours are incorrect and <\/p>\n

1192
\n01:21:12,600 –> 01:21:14,880
\nyours are right, we want to
\nchange too. <\/p>\n

1193
\n01:21:15,440 –> 01:21:17,800
\nSo let’s reason together to find
\nout what is true. <\/p>\n

1194
\n01:21:18,680 –> 01:21:22,040
\nPaul told us when he wrote the
\nto the Galatians that even if an<\/p>\n

1195
\n01:21:22,080 –> 01:21:25,360
\nAngel from heaven was to preach
\nanother gospel, that he should <\/p>\n

1196
\n01:21:25,360 –> 01:21:27,280
\nbe accursed because he said if
\nthere isn’t any other gospel, <\/p>\n

1197
\n01:21:27,280 –> 01:21:30,120
\nthere’s just one.
\nNow that’s one place we agree <\/p>\n

1198
\n01:21:30,120 –> 01:21:32,080
\nwith the Catholics.
\nThey say that if you don’t <\/p>\n

1199
\n01:21:32,080 –> 01:21:33,640
\nbelieve what’s right, you’ll
\nperish. <\/p>\n

1200
\n01:21:33,640 –> 01:21:35,880
\nAnd we say the same thing.
\nThen we have to decide who’s <\/p>\n

1201
\n01:21:35,880 –> 01:21:38,640
\nright.
\nThe Bible is right. <\/p>\n

1202
\n01:21:38,640 –> 01:21:40,800
\nAnd this doesn’t make a
\ndifference what we say or anyone<\/p>\n

1203
\n01:21:40,800 –> 01:21:45,000
\nelse says.
\nBut Mr. Badger pointed out, even<\/p>\n

1204
\n01:21:45,200 –> 01:21:48,000
\nthe Bereans checked up on Paul
\nto see if he was right. <\/p>\n

1205
\n01:21:48,720 –> 01:21:50,880
\nSo obviously we would want you
\nto check up on us. <\/p>\n

1206
\n01:21:51,520 –> 01:21:54,200
\nWe don’t say believe it because
\nthe Christadelphians say it. <\/p>\n

1207
\n01:21:54,480 –> 01:21:58,160
\nWe say believe it because the
\nword of God said, But what does <\/p>\n

1208
\n01:21:58,160 –> 01:22:00,400
\nit say?
\nYou have a Bible, you have <\/p>\n

1209
\n01:22:00,400 –> 01:22:03,200
\ncommon sense.
\nYou do not have to have someone <\/p>\n

1210
\n01:22:03,200 –> 01:22:05,720
\ntell you what it says.
\nSo let’s open our Bibles <\/p>\n

1211
\n01:22:05,720 –> 01:22:08,240
\ntogether and read it now.
\nMr. Badger will be here <\/p>\n

1212
\n01:22:08,240 –> 01:22:09,880
\ntomorrow.
\nHe’s going to give three talks <\/p>\n

1213
\n01:22:09,880 –> 01:22:14,680
\ntomorrow, one at 9:30 to our
\nSunday School, one at 11:00, and<\/p>\n

1214
\n01:22:14,680 –> 01:22:18,760
\nanother talk at 793011 and 7:00
\ntomorrow. <\/p>\n

1215
\n01:22:18,760 –> 01:22:20,560
\nYou’re invited to any and all of
\nthose. <\/p>\n

1216
\n01:22:21,040 –> 01:22:24,240
\nYou’re invited to come back to
\nthis hall for the next few weeks<\/p>\n

1217
\n01:22:24,240 –> 01:22:26,480
\nto meet with us.
\nIf you’ll give us your address, <\/p>\n

1218
\n01:22:26,480 –> 01:22:27,720
\nwe’ll put you on our mailing
\nlist. <\/p>\n

1219
\n01:22:27,720 –> 01:22:31,000
\nWe will send you pamphlets, a
\nmagazine every month free of <\/p>\n

1220
\n01:22:31,000 –> 01:22:32,760
\ncharge.
\nWe do not charge for anything we<\/p>\n

1221
\n01:22:32,760 –> 01:22:35,280
\nhave.
\nWe just want to reason together <\/p>\n

1222
\n01:22:35,280 –> 01:22:40,200
\nwith you, examine your
\nfoundation, be sure you’re right<\/p>\n

1223
\n01:22:41,240 –> 01:22:44,160
\nbecause there’s no comfort in
\nbeing wrong. <\/p>\n

1224
\n01:22:45,920 –> 01:22:50,000
\nAnd so our time has elapsed.
\nWe do thank you for having come.<\/p>\n

1225
\n01:22:51,160 –> 01:22:54,640
\nWe are going to close with a
\nhymn and a prayer. <\/p>\n

1226
\n01:22:55,440 –> 01:22:59,320
\nAnd then we’re going to ask you
\nif you’d like to stand, stay <\/p>\n

1227
\n01:22:59,320 –> 01:23:03,640
\naround and talk to Mr. Badger.
\nAsk him questions. <\/p>\n

1228
\n01:23:03,680 –> 01:23:06,240
\nGive us your name and address.
\nWe promise this. <\/p>\n

1229
\n01:23:06,240 –> 01:23:09,720
\nWe will not hound you.
\nWe will not come to your home <\/p>\n

1230
\n01:23:09,920 –> 01:23:14,960
\nuninvited, but we would come to
\nyour home if you wanted to and <\/p>\n

1231
\n01:23:14,960 –> 01:23:18,880
\nwelcome us with our Bible in
\nhand and your Bible and sit down<\/p>\n

1232
\n01:23:18,880 –> 01:23:21,440
\ntogether.
\nIt is important that we look <\/p>\n

1233
\n01:23:21,440 –> 01:23:26,120
\ninto these things because your
\nfuture is at stake. <\/p>\n

1234
\n01:23:26,880 –> 01:23:28,560
\nYour eternal salvation is at
\nstake. <\/p>\n

1235
\n01:23:29,160 –> 01:23:30,960
\nDo not take this lightly.
\nDo not think. <\/p>\n

1236
\n01:23:30,960 –> 01:23:32,400
\nOh well, it doesn’t really
\nmatter. <\/p>\n

1237
\n01:23:32,640 –> 01:23:34,520
\nAll roads lead to the same
\nplace. <\/p>\n

1238
\n01:23:34,520 –> 01:23:36,560
\nThey don’t.
\nThat’s even why we have Rd. <\/p>\n

1239
\n01:23:36,560 –> 01:23:38,520
\nmaps, because if you go on the
\nwrong Rd. you’re not going to <\/p>\n

1240
\n01:23:38,520 –> 01:23:40,880
\nget where you want to go.
\nAnd a lot of people don’t even <\/p>\n

1241
\n01:23:40,880 –> 01:23:45,160
\nknow where they’re going.
\nSo let’s use our Bible as a road<\/p>\n

1242
\n01:23:45,160 –> 01:23:47,120
\nmap and it will take us all to
\nthe same place. <\/p>\n

1243
\n01:23:47,120 –> 01:23:51,840
\nAnd that place is the truth.
\nSo we’re going to come to a <\/p>\n

1244
\n01:23:51,840 –> 01:23:55,480
\nclosed out of Singing Together
\nhymn #161 from the Trusted <\/p>\n

1245
\n01:23:55,480 –> 01:24:01,720
\nAlchemy Hymn Book and A Word of
\nPrayer in 161. <\/p>\n

1246
\n01:24:03,000 –> 01:24:06,320
\nThe first few lines of that hymn
\nread as follows. <\/p>\n

1247
\n01:24:07,720 –> 01:24:10,600
\nThe church.
\nInteresting. <\/p>\n

1248
\n01:24:10,760 –> 01:24:13,600
\nWe’re talking about foundation.
\nCheck your foundation. <\/p>\n

1249
\n01:24:13,800 –> 01:24:22,360
\nThe church’s one foundation is
\nJesus Christ our Lord hymn #161 <\/p>\n

1250
\n01:24:22,720 –> 01:24:26,520
\ngreat and glorious almighty
\nsovereign. <\/p>\n

1251
\n01:24:27,760 –> 01:24:32,560
\nLook down and hear our humble
\nprayer, for we seek thee through<\/p>\n

1252
\n01:24:32,560 –> 01:24:37,000
\nJesus Christ our Lord.
\nWe thank Thee, Father, for this <\/p>\n

1253
\n01:24:37,000 –> 01:24:41,960
\ntime we spent together, this
\ntime to open thy book and <\/p>\n

1254
\n01:24:41,960 –> 01:24:47,120
\ncompare it to the religion of
\nour friends around us, to <\/p>\n

1255
\n01:24:47,120 –> 01:24:52,520
\ncompare the written word
\ninspired and God breathed with <\/p>\n

1256
\n01:24:52,520 –> 01:24:56,920
\nthe writings of men.
\nAnd we thank Thee, Father, for <\/p>\n

1257
\n01:24:56,920 –> 01:25:00,800
\nthe assurance that Thou has
\ngiven us, that these words which<\/p>\n

1258
\n01:25:00,800 –> 01:25:03,640
\nYou have written are able to
\nmake us wise to salvation. <\/p>\n

1259
\n01:25:04,560 –> 01:25:08,720
\nAnd we pray, Father, that we may
\nnot be guilty of that sin of <\/p>\n

1260
\n01:25:10,320 –> 01:25:13,920
\nplacing before Thy word the
\ntraditions of man. <\/p>\n

1261
\n01:25:14,560 –> 01:25:18,400
\nFor Thy Son has told us that if
\nwe do this, that we truly <\/p>\n

1262
\n01:25:18,400 –> 01:25:22,240
\nworship Thee in vain.
\nAnd, Father, we don’t want to be<\/p>\n

1263
\n01:25:22,240 –> 01:25:25,520
\nmistaken.
\nFather, we do love Thee. <\/p>\n

1264
\n01:25:26,320 –> 01:25:31,320
\nWe want you to love us, but we
\nknow that You love those that <\/p>\n

1265
\n01:25:31,320 –> 01:25:33,840
\nlove Thee and put their trust in
\nThee. <\/p>\n

1266
\n01:25:34,960 –> 01:25:39,080
\nHelp us send Father to not
\nfollow comingly divided fables, <\/p>\n

1267
\n01:25:39,080 –> 01:25:45,560
\nbut simply Thy written words.
\nFather, we seek Thy help, and we<\/p>\n

1268
\n01:25:45,560 –> 01:25:47,800
\nthank Thee for this Church that
\nYou have given us, that if we <\/p>\n

1269
\n01:25:47,800 –> 01:25:51,280
\nlack wisdom, and we ask Thee
\nthat Thou wilt give it to us, <\/p>\n

1270
\n01:25:52,000 –> 01:25:56,400
\nuntil we now ask for Thy wisdom,
\nthat we might rightly divide Thy<\/p>\n

1271
\n01:25:56,400 –> 01:26:02,760
\nword of truth, that we might
\nknow Thy plan and purpose, that <\/p>\n

1272
\n01:26:02,760 –> 01:26:05,280
\nwe might do those things with
\nThou hast commanded. <\/p>\n

1273
\n01:26:06,280 –> 01:26:08,800
\nFor we know thou hast told us
\nthat thy Son is soon to come, <\/p>\n

1274
\n01:26:09,720 –> 01:26:12,720
\nthat he will take out of the
\nGentiles of people for his name,<\/p>\n

1275
\n01:26:13,280 –> 01:26:17,080
\nthat he is choosing those that
\nare to live and to reign with <\/p>\n

1276
\n01:26:17,080 –> 01:26:19,720
\nhim.
\nWe thank Thee for the assurance <\/p>\n

1277
\n01:26:19,720 –> 01:26:24,000
\nthat you’ve told us that soon
\nThy faithful sing a new song, <\/p>\n

1278
\n01:26:25,000 –> 01:26:28,320
\nsinging even to Thy Son, the
\nLord Jesus Christ. <\/p>\n

1279
\n01:26:28,800 –> 01:26:33,560
\nThink to Him that He is faithful
\nand worthy to open the book, for<\/p>\n

1280
\n01:26:33,560 –> 01:26:38,000
\nHe was slain and has redeemed us
\nto God by His blood out of every<\/p>\n

1281
\n01:26:38,000 –> 01:26:43,040
\nkittered and tongued people and
\nnations, and that we can reign <\/p>\n

1282
\n01:26:43,440 –> 01:26:48,600
\non this earth with Him forever.
\nFather, we want our friends to <\/p>\n

1283
\n01:26:48,600 –> 01:26:52,320
\nshare in this glorious hope.
\nThank you for bringing us <\/p>\n

1284
\n01:26:52,320 –> 01:26:55,080
\ntogether.
\nBring us back together, Father, <\/p>\n

1285
\n01:26:55,080 –> 01:26:58,920
\nthat we might reason together
\nand walk hand in hand to Thy <\/p>\n

1286
\n01:26:58,920 –> 01:27:01,760
\nKingdom.
\nDismiss us then, now with Thy <\/p>\n

1287
\n01:27:01,760 –> 01:27:06,320
\nblessing, and fill our hearts
\nwith joy and peace, Thy peace <\/p>\n

1288
\n01:27:06,320 –> 01:27:09,720
\nthat passeth all understandings.
\nWe offer our prayer and give <\/p>\n

1289
\n01:27:09,720 –> 01:27:13,120
\nThee our Thanksgiving to the
\nworthy name of Christ Jesus our <\/p>\n

1290
\n01:27:13,120 –> 01:27:14,880
\nLord.
\nAmen. <\/p>\n

1291
\n01:27:28,320 –> 01:27:30,400
\nThank you for listening to the
\ngood Chris Adelphian Talks <\/p>\n

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\n01:27:30,400 –> 01:27:33,000
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\n01:27:33,000 –> 01:27:34,520
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\n01:27:35,680 –> 01:27:37,720
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292: Colin Badger – How Sure Are the Foundations?<\/a><\/blockquote>