204: Roger Lewis - Exhortation: David In Gethsemane

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   Welcome to Good Burger selfie and talks. I’m Levi and I’m Chris and I’m Brian, thank you for joining us this week. On this podcast, we select one taco week to help us get the Bible in our daily news feed. We post a new episode of the start of each week with a short intro before. Hand to kind of set the stage for the talk. You’re about to listen to and now let’s talk more about this week’s talk.

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   Hello everyone. My name is Mike Livermore. I’m a disciple of Christ here in the state of Michigan in the midwestern United States. And so when the good Delphian talks crew asked me to provide a few episodes for the podcast. I, of course, was drawn to some different talks. I’ve heard from our Bible School here in the Midwest, the Midwest Bible school. So I’ve chosen for talks and the first one that we’re going to look at now, is an exhortation.

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   I heard way back in the Year, 2007, this is an exhortation. I’ve just really struck me. So powerfully back then, hopefully it’s as powerful to you now. As it was for me. Teen years ago. It’s a talk by a Roger Lewis. The title of exhortation is David and Gethsemane and really, I think it’s the best tuck of ever heard based off of Luke, 22 verse 42, the premise of Christ’s words where he says, nevertheless not my will, but thine be done. And so in the exhortation, Roger sort of takes the story of David as he’s fleeing Jerusalem and absalom’s rebellion. And Can see more 15 and Compares it to grow in Christ with his disciples goes to the Garden of Gethsemane and the parallels from 2nd Samuel 15 to Luke. 22 are the basis of the talk and it’s such a powerful comparison character by character place by place.

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   You know, have your your pens or pencils have your note-taking tools out and hit. Roger goes through them really quick, but he nails like comparing care. After the character, I think the comparison that really struck me the most I’ll spoil. This one was theirs in the text of second Samuel 15. There’s a particular place that the verse is point out that they would often go to to worship.

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   There was just a known place on the Mount of Olives and that was compared to where Judas knew the place where Christ was going to be at the Garden of Gethsemane. So very interesting comparisons back and forth and the comparisons is Just academic weather brings us to this lesson, how the spirit of Christ really was in David and in the whole episode of the rebellion and Absalom David could sit back and just truly trust in God.

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   That the text of the story even begins where David just Goes Forth. He trusts God, he leaves the city, embracing that whatever God’s will will be for him, his family, the people, he accepts it, he will accept whatever God has in mind. And that becomes the real. Real thesis and then the real lesson of the exhortation how both of these men David and our Lord trusted accepted God’s will in their life despite the sufferings and challenges a couple more notes near the end of the exhortation, Roger references, several of the hymns that refer to the Garden of Gethsemane. He hasn’t mentioned the him numbers, but he Dives deep into him to 16, the third verse and breaks down how at the text of christadelphians him to 16 combines both the Are you have David and the story of Jesus on the Mount of Olives? And there are some helpful practical takeaways at the end of the excitation as well, about how helping us to focus on the glory of the Kingdom, looking to that. For those that also must now on this life, share in the sufferings of Christ.

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   It’s a very inspirational, very uplifting, interesting intelligent, exhortation, and meant so much to me 15 years ago. Hopefully it’s just as powerful for you now. So here it is, David and Gethsemane. T. Well, good morning. Good afternoon. My dear brothers and sisters in our Lord. Jesus Christ. We Gather then as we are so privileged to do to remember now, the close of our Bible School, the story of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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   The greatness of what was accomplished in and through him. and particularly as we come now to the emblems To seek that we might follow him. In the way.

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   And in the second of Samuel and chapter 15, which by the way, is our daily reading for tomorrow, is it not the daily reading for next Sunday? But we’re having our Memorial meeting a day early in the Bible School. but in the second of Samuel and chapter 15 as they are brother, chairman mentioned, we have the story of David’s experience as it were In Gethsemane. We want to take a lesson out of the story of this chapter, as we find the matching spirit and a Life of Christ. Angela, listen for ourselves, that will help us to partake of the emblems and to be spiritually, strengths, and thereby So the second of Samuel chapter 15 tells us in the 13th verse there came a messenger to David saying, the hearts of the men of Israel are after Absalom.

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    And David said, unto all his servants that were with them at Jerusalem arise, and let us flee. For we shal not else, escape from Absalom, makes speed to the Past lissy, overtake us suddenly and bring evil upon us and smite the city with the edge of the sword. And when it says, in that verse list, he overtake us suddenly literally in the Hebrew. It is least he will drive the Calamity over us and David understood, brothers and sisters. That This Disaster that had come upon the city and upon the people was not their fault.

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    It was his This was part of the consequence of David’s own sin was at not and David had that lovely spirit that he sought simply to yield in the matter. And particularly not to see the city of Jerusalem a Battleground.

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    Let’s just leave Since David? And put the matter in the father’s hand. and as the story unfolds, and we read it with those. Careful eyes, always alert for good Bible reading. We suddenly feel the spirit of Christ stealing across the page brothers and sisters.

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    And turning up in the life of the king. You might like to hold your hand in the second of Samuel and find Luke chapter 22 and your other hand because for the purposes of our exhortation, we’re going to trace just two or three of the points of connection. Not many just a handful but enough for us to be. So convinced that there is this remarkable similarity of circumstance.

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    In the life of the king that turns up in the life of Our Lord. And then out of it, all to extract an excitation that we can draw for ourselves.

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    You see what it says in the second of Samuel chapter 15, once the king’s servants verse 15 had vouched their Readiness to follow him and to do whatever he asked somewhat after the manner of Christ’s disciples. We’re told this in verse 16. So any little phrase you see but it says, the king went forth and all his household after him, the king went forth, just a little phrase but you see that’s really Luke, 22 verse 9, isn’t it when it says, And he came out. And wind.

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    And you see what we’re being told in the life of David is that the die was cast. David decided that he would he would withdraw and he would commit himself unto God. And isn’t that exactly what’s happening brothers and sisters, and Luke 22 verse 39, that Christ has made the decision. The die is cast. He’s going to withdraw for a moment into the garden and commit, the whole matter into the hands of the father. And so Luke says, he came out and went And Samuel says and the King went forth and these two men shared that spiritually. See of of of declaring that they would commit their souls in their will into the hand of him who judges righteously, as they are brother said in his opening prayer. And there was a matching of spirits, you see? and we’re told in the second of Samuel chapter, 15 and verse 23 that when they traveled on this occasion out of the city of Jerusalem, The record sales and all the country worked with a loud voice, and all the people passed over and the King also himself passed over the brook kedron, and all the people passed over toward the way of the Wilderness and you notice brothers and sisters.

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    How Samuel tells us that all the people passed over and the king passed over but somehow they’re separated the one from the other. Did you notice that the king passes over and so do all the people? But the king does himself. and although, the people are with the King, The point is that they didn’t really understand the king’s grief. And they didn’t really understand the fullness. Of the Kings spirit.

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    And although brothers and sisters on that day, both King and people passed over the brook key John together. The King was really on his own. In mind on his own.

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    David, David traveled this journey by himself. You see that? Isn’t that funny? Because on the other side which unfortunately is not Luke 22. It’s John 18 because only John tells us this doesn’t he? John Alone says this in his 18th chapter in verse 1. He says. and when Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth while that’s the phrase out of Samuel isn’t it?

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    He went forth with his disciples over the brook kedron where was a garden into the which he entered end his disciples in John gives us the same idea as the second of Samuel that the people passed over end the king. And John 18 says in Jesus passed over the brook kedron and his disciples and his disciples were with him were they not brothers sisters and yet when they came into the garden, We know the Lord would be alone just like David. And even those closest and nearest to the Lord, did not understand his Spirit could not enter into his grief. The Lord walked into the garden and a very real Sense on his own.

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    Just like I think David had in the second of Samuel 15. when the record says that all the country whipped with a loud voice, and all the people passed over, And the King also himself passed over the brook kedron. And Shirley Brothers and Sisters. The spirit would bid us understand that here in the 10 glow of the second of Samuel 15.

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    We have our Lord’s journey into the garden. Funny thing, you know, better than sisters in terms of of what was happening at this time because there was such a cluster of men. That’s a cluster of people about David that represented all that was good and all that was bad. In the nation, all those different manifestations of human nature that swirled around David at the time of his controversy and there wasn’t a hit the fill and there was a whole shy and they wasn’t Absalom and there was an Atty and there was a ziba and there wasn’t zadok and there was a sue me, I and there wasn’t a shy all these good and bad men.

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    Crustaceans. Of the flesh. Some loyal. Some hostile they all swirled around David. Did they not at his time of Crisis and it’s a strange thing, you know, better than sisters, or maybe not so strange. That when we come to the gospel record will find that just as there wasn’t a heifer, fill for David. That cruelly betrayed him.

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    So they will be a Judas for the Lord. And just as there was a loyal hushai who stood by his friend, so they will be a Joseph of Arimathea who will plead his cause in the council. And that’s there was as there was an absolute anxious to preserve his position. So they will be a Caiaphas manipulating the Sanhedrin and just as there was an it I who proclaims his undying loyalty to the king so they will be a John who will intensely follow his Lord with us. However, he goeth and they will be a ziba and has a dock and assume your eye.

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    And the Never say, I and they will be a pilot and a Nicodemus, and a Herod and a Peter, and they’ll all be their brothers and sisters and the life of the Lord just like David in. Chapter and Samuel. And David had to walk through the throng of all those different things. All those different spirits And try and be guided by that, which was pleasing to God. In fact, you see what it says in the second of Samuel chapter 15 and verse 30. since David went up by the ascent of Mount Olivet, so that’s what he was there. He was at the ascent of Mount Olive it. And by the way, I suppose really, that’s Luke chapter 22 again because Luke 22.

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    Sears in verse 39, it does tell us is he came out and he went to the Mount of Olives. He’s in the very same spot, as David is our Lord Jesus Christ. And in Luke chapter 22, he came out to the Mount of Olives says Luke 22 verse 39 and second, Samuel 15 says and David went up by the ascent of Mount Olivet.

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    They’re on the same Journey. These two are they not literally on the same Journey but on the same journey and mind and heart and spirit as well. In fact, you see what the record says in simulate, says that when David makes this journey into The mount, all of these. It says in verse 30 that he wept as he went up. And that’s really Luke. 22 verse 44, isn’t it? And being in an Agony, he prayed more earnestly and his sweat was, as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground. He prayed more earnestly, says, the record and in their Agony that was in the garden, brothers and sisters. We have the counterpart to the Weeping David who goes up weeping up the mountain as he went. And by the way, do you think the law? Cried in the garden.

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    Do you think the Lord wept in the garden as well as agonize and prayer? I’m sure that he cried but my sisters and I think the reason why we know that Is because Hebrews says, so, does it not? Because Hebrews 5 verse 7, says, who in the days of his flesh when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong, crying and tears unto him, that was able to save him out of death.

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    Oh yes. I think the Lord cried in Gethsemane wept before his guard. Is Tom of desperate need. And the Weeping of David. In the second of Samuel chapter 15 and verse 30.

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    Will find its counterpart, and the Weeping of Our Lord. As he offered up prayers. With tears. it sort of makes you feel rather small and humble, doesn’t it bonuses when you think of the Lord weeping in the garden, And David, the king weeping in the same way. And you know just want to say is in the second of Samuel 15. It says in verse 32 it came to pass when David was come to the top of the mount where he worshipped God. Now, could mean couldn’t it?

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    That what it’s saying is that he came to the top of the mountain end on this one occasion, he decided to worship. God. but it could also mean and perhaps more likely so that he came to the top of the mount where Well, this was a special place for David that he frequented for worship.

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    It’s the place that David always came the place that David often came. This was David spot where he used to worship God. And that’s John 18, verse 2, which says and Judas also, which betrayed him new the place for Jesus. Oft times resorted thither John 18 verse 20, Jesus oft times resorted thither is the testimony of that gospel. And here’s the testimony of Luke’s own account and Luke chapter, 22 and verses 39 and 40. It says, this David came to the top of the mount where he worshipped God as if it was his special place. And Luke. 22 verse 39 says, and he came out and went As he was want.

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    Says Luke. As he was want. In other words, this was the Lord’s special place for worship and prayer. He came out as he was want and he went to the Mount of Olives and the disciples followed him. And when he was at the place, he said when he was at the place and the word that Luke uses for the place that Jesus came to his, not the same as Matthew and mark the word that Luke uses is used on some other occasions for a holy place or a century.

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    I think this was the Lord’s place. Where he was God. And prayed to the father. Just like David did on that same Mountain isn’t that remarkable but ancestors. And he the real question of the second of Samuel 15 is this. How comes it about?

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    That a man who lives centuries before our Lord Jesus Christ. Can live without the spirit of Christ before it’s happened. How comes it that David can go on the same Journey as Christ. before the Lord himself has come and the answer of course, is what we must come to the heart of the story to understand why that is. So, and the real heart of the story is, none of those things that we’ve seen thus far.

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    No, the real heart of the story is how these two men reacted to this crisis in their lives. And this is why the one who will become the basis of the other and the Heart of the story brother and sisters is this. Now, hold your hand and the second of Samuel 15 and make sure that you do have Luke 22 and your other hand, and let’s come to the heart and soul of the story that we might see, King David.

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    And Messiah himself side by side in the same place with the same Spirit. Now you see what it says in the second of Samuel 15. It says in verse 23, that David part passed over the brook King, John, now, that’s the valley floor. Isn’t it brother and sisters? It’s right at the bottom. It’s right at the foot of the Mount, Olive it right on the valley floor, where the Lord crosses over and Begins the Journey of a sent into the So that’s verse 23. But when we come to verse 32 you’ll remember that, it says it came to pass when David was come to the top of the mount. So now David’s come to the topmost place of Mount Olive. now, somewhere between the valley floor verse 23, and the summit of the mountain verse 32 somewhere between these two places and these two moments,

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    There must have been the Garden of Gethsemane, must be an art. Somewhere between the valley floor verse 23. And the summit of the mountain, verse 32.

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    And so now, see where it is. Both the sisters right between those two moments. We’re told this in verse 25, And the King said unto zadok carry about the Ark of God into the City. And now look at these words. He is the heart of the whole matter brothers and sisters. If I shall find favor in the eyes of Yahweh, he will bring me again and show me both it and His holy habitation.

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    But if he does say, I have no Delight in thee. Behold. Here, am I? Let him do to me. As seemeth good unto him. All brothers and sisters that’s Luke 22 and verse 42. Is it not? He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast and he kneeled down and prayed, Luke 22, verse 42. And he prayed saying father, if thou be willing remove this cup from me, nevertheless not my will, but thine be done. Can you see the parallel brothers and sisters? You see, David says, if I shall find favor. And Jesus says, if thou be willing and David says, but on the other hand, and Jesus says, nevertheless and David says, let him do to me as seemeth, good to him. And Jesus says, not my will, but thine be done. And the whole Spirit of David’s, attitude becomes the foreshadowing of those famous words of our Lord, Jesus Christ, uttered in the garden.

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    They’re out of the very heart of David. Are they not? But ancestors in the very a place where we’d expect the Garden of Gethsemane to be in David’s story. He utters The Words of Christ.

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    Gob do unto me. As seemeth good to him. It’s his will not mine, says David. Let God decide. Let God decide whatever might happen to me. See, this is the Hat of this parallel. Isn’t it? That David’s got the same spiritus Christ in terms of his attitude to trial. And again, over the page, if you come to the second of Samuel and chapter 16, we’re told this as a man began to curse. David verse 11, says that David said to ever say, I unto all his servants behold my son, which came forth of my bowels seeketh my life.

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    How much more now? May this benjamite, do it. Let him alone. Let him curse. For Yahweh have been him. It may be that Yahweh will look on mine Affliction and that Yahweh will requite me. Good for his cursing. This day, I’m in the father’s hands, says David thy will not mine, be done.

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    This is the spirit of messiah, in the Old Testament. Is it not? In David’s own Gethsemane experience. We can see and feel and hear our Lord Jesus Christ. Hey, brothers and sisters. There’s only three hymns in our hymn book. That mention the word, Gethsemane.

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    And they’re all special. So we’ve got them all this morning at our meeting. We’ve sung won already when my love to God grows weak. We go to the Garden of Gethsemane, that we might see the spirit of our lord wrestling in the garden. Well, here’s another one. Can you remember this one? With gentle resignation stool.

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    He yielded to his father’s will. In sad. Gethsemane, behold me here. Thine only son. And father. Let thy will be done. Remember that doesn’t sisters. Do you know in the gospel records? The Lord never says that. Nowhere in the gospels. Does the Lord ever say? Behold me here, thine only son. That line of that verse of that him isn’t taken from the Lord’s life at all, you know, where the phrase thine only son comes from, that’s Genesis 22, take now, thy son, thine, only son, Isaac whom thou lovest.

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    But where does the phrase of the him? Come from behold me here. The answer is. Well, it’s the words of David. Is it not? In 2nd Samuel 15 verse 26. But if he does say, I have no Delight in thee. Behold me here, says David. And that’s what the humans taking up from.

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    And they are him brothers and sisters. You got to understand where our hymns are drawn, from the spirit of them as it throws the, in the sense of different Bible passages together. And in that glorious him about said, gift. Similarly, the writer of the him weaves together, the story of David, and the story of Isaac, and the story of Christ and brings them.

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    In to get simony at once. Oh, yes. Spells and sisters. That’s where the heart of the story lions. And any one of us in our lives, could be living out the circumstances of Christ and be unaware, are, is unaware of it as David was. And yet that’s the very purpose of God is to teach us the same lessons. And so now, brother and sisters, there’s a reason for what happens.

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    Have you got trials in life, do you feel that you have trials in life? Do you have anything in life that causes grief or anguish or morning? Or fear. Or bitterness. Or tears. Or hardship. Or pain. I think at times brothers and sisters that we all feel that those things have come upon us and we asked ourselves the questions.

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    Why, why does God do this to us, why these trials that come upon us in this present, mortal life? Why do they come? And the answer is for one single reason. the reason that David learned, and the reason that Christ already understood, it’s so that we might be brought to the experience of saying, thy will be done. And it takes all our lives above and sisters to learn. This one thing, it takes all our lives to surrender our own wheels, which are so strong.

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    And so determined to this one thing in life that we truly believe that God’s will should prevail. And now there’s reason and purpose to what we go through in life and why it is that such things come upon us. And so we come to the first of Peter in chapter 4 and take up the lesson of the story of Christ in the garden.

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    Of David in the garden. Of two men separated by time. But bound and spirit. and the first of Peter chapter 4, In gathering up the lesson. Says this. In verse 12. I love think it not strange concerning the fiery trial, which is to try you as though. Some strange thing happened unto you.

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    But rejoice inasmuch as he had partakers of, Christ’s sufferings. And I think that’s the lesson, isn’t it? Brothers, and sisters that we’re not just suffering, child, we’re suffering, we’re experiencing Christ’s suffering. What did we go through? Brothers and sisters. It’s so that we might live out. Christ’s, child, whatever happens to us in life is Christ suffering. In us.

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    That we are gathering up that we are participating in the sufferings of Christ. And if we’re suffering as Christ did then, Superbly. It’s for the purpose that we might learn the same lesson as Christ.

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    And what God does? In his own good time, and his own good way. And in his Sovereign wisdom. He brings us all. At last. Into the Garden of Gethsemane in our own lives.

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    And they finally got some sisters. We learn to whisper before him. Thy will be done. but the lovely thing about Peter is that, Peter goes on to say that not only are you partakers of, Christ’s sufferings But when his glory shall be revealed, you may be glad also with exceeding joy. And one of the things we’ve got to, remember, when we come into the Garden of Gethsemane and our own lives about ancestors is to, is to never think that. That’s the end of the story that in the garden, as the end of the story.

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    Because David returned, did he not? In fact, there’s reason to believe that when David came back to the city, he came back on the very root that he’d left. He came and he crossed over the Over the River. Jordan and he came up the ascent on the back side of the Mount of Olives and down the Mount of Olives and passed the Garden of Gethsemane and Beyond the rookie, John and up triumphantly into the City and everything they had experienced.

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    In the second of Samuel 15 was gloriously reversed in David’s triumphant return and they would be glory for the Lord, as well beyond Gethsemane, and part of how we learn to submit to the will of God, the brothers and sisters, is to see the glory that Lies Beyond and to know that all that the garden is asking of us is that we surrender to God’s will.

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    For That Glory, yet to come. That we might be part of that. Also verse 19 says, wherefore lit, then let the in that suffer according to the will of God are let them that suffer according to the will of God, thy will be done. Let them do this, let them commit, the keeping of this souls to him and we’ll doing as unto a faithful creator.

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    And so we should have brothers and sisters. and to know that whatever might come upon us in life, Is God’s special way. To lead us into the garden. To bid us to feel David’s tears. And Christ’s prayers. To submit to the same. Listen. And to come forth and follow our Lord, until the glory shall be revealed.

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    So, how do we do it? How do we submit to the will of God? Well, there’s one brother once said it’s not hard. Is it brother and sisters? Just difficult. And what he meant by that was it’s not hard because we know what it is that we must do. We must read the word of God. We can’t we can’t obey the will of God if we do. Not know the will of God.

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    We’ve got to read God’s word every day of Our Lives. We’ve got a pray to him every day of our lives. And if we read the father’s will and pray concerning that will chime thing in our life every single day of Our Lives, then gradually mysteriously inexorably. Inevitably God weaves the story with the mind of Christ into our lives as well. And we’re thankful.

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    In the end, we’re thankful. That God brought us into the garden. To be with Christ. And we come into the Garden of Gethsemane, brothers and sisters and we’re surprised to see. We’re surprised to find that there is the spirit of David in Christ.

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    Who was it? The spirit of Christ. In David. In that same place. So as we partake of bread and wine, the stay and vow a fresh to follow him. Confess all of the weakness of our Humanity before almighty God and pledge that we will go forth from the bible school to live like men and women, that love the Lord and follow him as we do all that this day.

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    Let’s remember brothers and sisters That beyond the garden. Lies the kingdom. And as much as we are called upon to suffer with Christ, let’s all rejoice in the glory to come. in the words of a hymn, which says, so may we, as we meet with thee, be sealed more Shirley thine.

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    And see beyond Gethsemane. VY kingdoms glory shine. Thank you for listening to the good christadelphians talks podcast. We hope this talk helped you in your walk. If you would like to hear more, please subscribe for new episodes and leave a review and apple podcast or whatever service you are using to help more people find the show when they search for it.

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    Thank you for listening. God bless and talk to you next week.