008: David Fraser - Can Creation and Modern Science Co-Exist?

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   Welcome to the good Christian talks podcast. I’m Levi. And I’m Chris. Thank you so much for joining us this week. On this podcast, we select one taco week to help each one of us. Get the Bible in our daily news feed. We post at the start of each week for you to listen. With a short intro beforehand to kind of set the stage for the talk, you’re about to hear.

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   And now let’s hear more about this week’s talk. So this talk from David Frazier was fantastic, both of us, really enjoyed it and we are recording this intro together for our first time on this show. Now, neither of us are scientists, which I think is the important Point leading into this talk because there’s a lot of debate around a topic like this. Yeah, there’s there’s a lot of ways that people approach creation and how creation fits with modern science. As man has grown his knowledge house nature and the world around us works.

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   And we realize that for some people this topic Is a major point of faith for them understanding creation and how it worked, and how God created the world in the universe and us for myself, it’s not a super critical point. Don’t know about. I think it’s the same for me. I mean, we kind of both recognize that all things come from God, but but we feel nervous to talk about this topic because we know it’s divisive in other countries.

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   It’s really not for us because we’re both here in Southern California. It hasn’t been a major issue yet. But also, like we’re saying for each of us for our individual Faith. So I think we would try to put this before we started recording. It’s not a major Faith white, but we respect that. It is for some people.

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   But David Fraser here lays out a case that I think is very compelling and encouraging for really anyone because he has a humility. I think that’s the most important part about this presentation is he has a humility to respect the truth. That is in both the Bible and nature. I think one of the things that I really liked about his presentation was he starts off by making the very clear distinction that what’s the role of the Bible and of the creation account that we read in the scriptures, it’s not. The Bible is not a scientific textbook, it’s not intended to teach us the scientific method or you know how cells are created or anything like that.

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   That’s not the role of it. He makes the point that if you try to make the Bible into a method of teaching science, you’re going to get yourself into trouble because the purpose of the Bible isn’t to teach Science. It’s the teach the truth and to make it applicable and approachable to anybody of any level of learning.

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   We have to remember that this was something that was being taught to people before modern science. Was even a thought in Humanity’s mind, right? But so it’s still applicable now but at the same time I was durable. Science, is a record left by God, Brother. David says, a couple times in this talk that there is a truth to what we can observe in nature and in science. He says that later in the talk, I think it’s in the last, like, kind of third that you can’t have a theologian meet a scientist completely in the middle, there is a space between their the words.

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   He uses are very impactful for me and I think they’re going to be impactful for anyone who listens. There are two records, the Bible and nature. I think both of us are a little nervous about postings talk knowing the controversy, I guess that’s around this, but we still think it’s worth it because this is a good one.

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   So David Fraser Cain creation of modern science. Close this. My dear friends, it’s an interesting topic because a lot of people in today’s world think that these two are diametrically opposed, they think that creation and science are equal and opposite poles, and can never reconcile. And if you speak to a lot of people, they think that if you believe in creation, you can’t believe in science and vice versa.

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    So we’d like to look at this today, under three main headings will look at the creation briefly, obviously we can’t look at it in macro sin microscopic detail and they will look a little bit about what modern science is about and particularly modern science and creation and what modern science has to say about the data of creation.

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    And then we were trying to answer the final question as to whether they can coexist. So Creation itself. The creation itself in the Bible is presented for us. In those beautiful words of Genesis 1 verse 1 probably the densest of all significant verses in the entire Bible that prologue to the Bible actually sets the tone for the entire 66 books of the Bible. It is a verse that is denser with meaning and importance than probably any other verse in the entire Bible. And this wonderful verse which speaks about in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth tells us a whole lot of things directly by implication and also by inference. So let’s have a look at some of these things. What does Genesis 1 verse 1, tell us about the universe itself.

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    Genesis 1 verse 1 says, it was a created thing. It didn’t just spontaneously come in to be Genesis, one tells us that it was a willful act. It was created by somebody and it was created with intent with purpose. And with meaning it’s not just merely a blind collection of forces and material that make up the universe.

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    It says there was an intent. To create all that is, there was something behind it, a purpose and meaning. And it also says it had a beginning. There was a time when matter and time itself did not exist. It was a time when all of these things came into be time itself started. When the universe was created,

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    We see this encompassed in that term, everything because the universe is everything that is and that idiom that’s used in the scripture, Heaven and Earth, actually means everything. It’s a Hebrew idiom that talks about everything. It’s like saying everything inside and outside, it means everything. You can’t exclude anything from that. That’s what that idiom Heaven.

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    And Earth means it’s saying that it’s as the totality of all. It was created in the beginning. And it consists of all space and all time. And time did not exist outside of that which was created in Genesis 1 verse one time, as a principal only exists in the universe in which we currently are and I can even show to you that time is relevant just to you or to me there is no. Now in the universe there’s just a time that is relevant to me and his time relevant to you talk stick differently at the top of the mountain.

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    Compared with that the sea. Do you know that there is no? Absolute time. And time outside the universe did not exist without God. And the last important Point here is that certain laws were established at the very commencement of the universe which were essential for the purposefulness of this universe to bring forth life if those laws weren’t exactly right at the beginning of the universe.

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    You and I wouldn’t be here. We couldn’t possibly happy having this discussion this morning. So what it’s saying is that there were laws and principles embedded into the very fabric Of space and time as metamaterial that are designed for you and I to have life. And that’s remarkable thing was those laws were good and perfect and true. And Genesis 1 tells us a couple of things about God as well. Of course.

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    It says that God is a Creator. So a God who makes something out of nothing. But not only that, he is the creator. The God, Who is the only one who is doing this work, he is the omnipotent. Genesis 1:1 also tells us that God, existed prior to the universe coming into being that all that we see is a product and a subset of the greatness of God.

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    He is eternal and Beyond Time. And beyond space, he can dip into the past, the present and the future equally because they underneath him. They are a subset of what God is. God is greater than the entire universe because it is a product of his will. He willed it into being, and so it came forth.

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    It’s a remarkable thing you. And I have to put a lot of effort into make the smallest of things. God’s power in his will will this universe into being. And it came for And he’s this God as we said who exists outside of all space and outside of all time and is bounded by neither its us silly humans who try and put limitations and Shackles on God he is Limitless in every sense of the word he is bounded by another space or time.

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    And it’s interesting that right back in the beginning. God creates a distinction in the very first verse of the Bible between that, which is Off the Earth and that, which is off the heavens. And the interesting thing there is not so much talking about planetary space, it’s saying about the things that are related to of the earth earthy and of the Heavenly and the Heavenly way of thinking.

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    In other words, God was adding a spiritual realm right into the physical nature. Just the universe, he was weaving into it. This whole wonderful tapestry of there, being a spiritual purpose, behind the physical creation. There is meaning and purpose in all that God did Now, the race of the first four chapters of Genesis, which are the creation texts, are all they to teach us wonderful things, they there to teach us the principles of a God principled or God purpose life. Now, if you think about these parallels, we’ve got a universe that is designed by God to support life. And then we’ve got Genesis, which is teaching us the principles of a god, supported life. The two are running in parallel and I hope if that’s one thing you remember from Today, that that’s the principal. You remember the whole of Genesis? Was there to teach God’s purpose in life and it just have a look at what I mean.

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    Just by our, I’ll just run through one or two summaries. God talks about separation of light, and dark day and night Waters from above from Waters, from beneath separation. The principles of separation of the Earth from the sea, That the Earth was to bring forth life of its own, the Earth, had to yield fruit. The Earth had to do something of itself. And as a result, we’ve got these wonderful two kingdoms, the plant kingdom and the animal kingdom. And again, there’s a separation between animals and man, animals were not the same as man, and in terms of principles and thinking, and God had to show Adam that. And at the very beginning of Genesis, they were in positions of laws and principles for sustainable life, just like the physical Universe.

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    God, put these laws and in Genesis, to show the way that you and I should have sustainable life and those are the laws upon the trees. And then, of course, we’ve got the rule of Free Will being established. And why that’s important is, it’s teaching you and me that we have to question things, we have to have the ability to have a reasoned Faith. The reason Behavior, not just blindly going along with what the masses tell us.

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    And then another principle is that there’s a separation between the way that animals think, and the way that God thinks and wants us to think, and of course, we know that to Genesis was all about dealing with failure. Failure to reason Godly in a Godly way and dealing with errors and the principles of separation from life.

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    I mean, finally, that wonderful path of recovery. That all of these things were kept the way of the tree of life was Kept For Those Who Would One Day, find it, once again. So Genesis is all about doing one thing and if you read through Genesis, the first four chapters very carefully, what do you see? You see the emphasis is on the word of God. God spoke and it was so God spoke with Adam and the cool of the day.

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    God said, the following things, this was the mind of God. Now, in a spiritual creation, was trying to create this Adam and Eve who would follow him at a spiritual level, but they devolved back to an Earthly level, a way of thinking. And the wonderful thing about this word of God, it was present at the beginning of creation for the universe.

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    And there’s isn’t Genesis teaching. People principles of Life of thought and tainted action. That’s what word means. There’s a lovely Psalm, which says this exactly. In Psalm 33, verse 6 by the word of the Lord, the heavens were made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Now, you and I know that stars and planets and galaxies aren’t blown into existence and you see this is where we can sometimes become silly.

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    If we start to assume that God is scooping out the Grand Canyon or painting butterflies Wings. It minimizes the greatness of God God is saying I just need to think it and it is so I need to will it and it becomes so because I’ve said every law perfectly For that to be the case and that’s a wonderfully comforting thing because the very self same laws that sustain life in also, sustained spiritual life.

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    If we follow them with the same adherence, there’s another verse again from the Jewish Bible Hebrews. 11 verse 3 by trusting or by faith. We understand that the Universe was created through a spoken word of God. See this is what scriptures always telling us is that the word of God is preeminent. It is the principal thing.

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    It is the mind of God in the form that can do things and can impact. So the universe was created through the spoken word of God. So that which is seen what we can look at in the physical world is, did not come into being out of existing phenomena. Now that’s very interesting.

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    It’s very interesting at a scientific level because it’s saying that there wasn’t Another Universe before this that was simply recycled and this became the next version of the universe. It’s not saying that they were a whole lot of other materials around that would just simply repurposed for this universe. This universe was custom designed by God. For life to exist for sentient beings to be in it that can worship and love him and follow his higher Heavenly principles, and all of these things happened. Through merely the spoken word, it’s incredibly powerful. So what we have to understand is that Genesis teaches us the why? And not the heart.

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    And if we going to do ourselves, a great service in understanding God, we need to keep understanding why these things happen. We need to look at the principles behind them. If we try and lead to Genesis teach us science you and I are going to be grossly, letdown it is not a scientific textbook. Have you ever thought why can’t be a scientific textbook? It had to appeal to people thousands of years ago, who didn’t have any of the science and knowledge. We have it said to appeal to people of great education and have no education.

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    It had to have principles that permeated all pouches, whether they were sophisticated Advanced, Swiss watch, makers, or people from rural area, the same word of God is going to appeal, to them, equally with the same important measure. God is not teaching us science in the Bible and we do ourselves a huge disservice. If we try and take this Bible and make it try and teach scientific principles, we end up looking like fools and we got to be very Be careful that we never do that. It’s not a scientific text and you know what? It’s wonderful that it isn’t a scientific text because it’s so far beyond our thinking, what God has done that you and I could never understand it.

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    Could you and I understand how God could make something out of nothing, there is no science. That explains that Isaiah, 45 Verse 18 says, thus says the Lord who created the heavens, who is God, who formed the Earth and made it who has established it. Who did not create it in vain who formed it to be inhabited? I am the lord and there is no other Why is that verse so important?

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    It’s important because God says that the physical creation of the universe is therefore purpose, it is a purposeful universe that he created. He didn’t just create it to make beautiful nebula and wonderful stars and a beautiful Alpine Valley. God didn’t create the world for those purposes though, they are beautiful. He created it for purpose. In vain for vanity saying he created to be inhabited by people who love and worship him as the great Creator. God.

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    So, what does science have to do with this modern science? While science deals with the how questions not the why questions science has got to do with measurement reading. And it sounds like it’s dumbing it down but it really isn’t. If you can’t measure it with some instrument or some principle or some law or some process, it isn’t science.

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    If it can’t be measured, science does not apply and keep remembering that because, you know what science can measure how much. A mother loves her children. There is no unit of measure for that. There’s no way of quantifying it. There’s no way of quantifying the self-sacrifice of one person for another. All of those things are outside of science. Science has got to do with things that can be measured. Here’s an example of measurement, the two largest Earthbound telescopes at the moment are in Hawaii and the busy shooting lasers up into the, the Milky Way so that they can precisely measure, the Optics of the atmosphere to adjust for them.

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    So they can get a really good picture. You see, it’s about measurements. It’s about analysis. It’s about minimizing error and it’s about getting things technically, right? That’s what could Inches. And scientists, of course, you know, it covers many different domains that the principal about science starts with questions. And it’s a good thing science is about asking you a question and then doing some background research, often constructing an idea.

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    And I thought this is something testing. It’s going out and doing something. Does this glass of water boil, higher at a higher point on the mountains, compared, with the sea and you test it?

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    And then you see with the procedures working or not, you might change your experiment and then you’d write it up and you publish it and you might, then go and say, well, let’s try another experiment. That’s the sum total of what science is, whether it’s the wonderful science of that projector, which uses Quantum effects.

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    Actually make these colors appear on the screen. It’s all the same thing. It’s this process that keeps getting used and that process applies to things that can be measured the physical world. It doesn’t apply to the spiritual to the Y to the purpose of things.

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    So, what does modern science then have to say about what we’ve been talking about the topic of creation? Well, interestingly enough most scientists would say that it’s actually a very life friendly universe. They would agree that it’s a bio-friendly universe that scenes from their observations as scientists. And not gonna remember, they’re not necessarily believe is to be pre prepared for life. It’s actually from their point of view, set up for life. And they say that it’s a universe with laws and mechanisms and processes that have been established right from the beginning of time.

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    And the wonderful thing about these universal laws is that by the by the implication that are Universal, they apply the same here as an staff. Four and a half, light-years away as to the other side of the universe, the same laws, apply equally everywhere. That’s the wonderful thing about the consistency of what God is baked into the universe, in its very recipe of creation. And that they wonderful ordered processes that both support and sustain life.

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    It’s universe that doesn’t only let life exists but it lets it abound and be very diverse. You know for example in our lifetimes there are whole lot of new species that have actually just come into existence in our lifetime because these laws are there. They good and they work.

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    The wonderful things for example, just about the chemistry of carbon. Why are we carbon-based? Life-forms, there’s a whole lot about the physical chemical and biological nature of carbon. That makes sense that makes us as human beings work in the world, in which we are. And the sum total of all of this is that without that we wouldn’t be here. We couldn’t exist.

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    And most scientists would actually agree with that statement. In fact, the topic is often described as fine-tuned universe or they use the other fancy at word, the anthropic universe and Tropic, simply meaning life supporting some will say, it’s very strong, the anthropic some say, weekly anthropic. But everybody says, it’s anthropic certainly life-supporting.

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    Because the evidence is here. We are here. You can’t say it’s not life-supporting when we were walking around itself evidentially. True it is. Is a life-supporting universe.

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    And the remarkable thing is that all of these things happened, way back at the beginning of time over here, those laws were set up at the beginning of time. When the universe was formed, this is all of space and this is all of time and we are here in our beautiful planet, which is about 3.8 billion years old.

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    And all of the laws were set up in this early phase of the universe and I’ll show you that in a moment. Most scientists have would agree that they’re round about 40 parameters that are required in space in physics for this University exists. Now, imagine if you had 40 radio knots right, and you had to to tune them and here to tune them all. Exactly.

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    And when I mean exactly so exactly that some of them, if you blew on them you would knock them off that balance, right? And yet to get them all at the right positions as this one decreased that when they will go up you’d have to balance them will all 40. And you’d have to do that in one millionth of a millionth of a second.

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    Because that’s the time that it took in the early part of the universe for God to form all those key parameters. Exactly, right? So life could exist In the first tiny sliver of a second before anything formed God, balanced every single Force perfectly. So what came afterwards would support life? Slight changes in that caused utter destruction and death. Let me show you an example.

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    Here’s a very eminent cosmologist astrophysicists from from the UK. He’s not a Believer at all that. He wrote a very interesting book called The Universe and six numbers where he picked six out of those 14, he wrote a book about it. And we won’t go through those what they are. Six numbers mean, but those six numbers are so fine tuned. That if that are slightly out.

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    We wouldn’t exist. Now let me pick up on one of them, it’s called Lambda the cosmological constant, you know that simply means don’t worry about the details. It simply means that the universe is expanding until the early part of the last century people used to think the universe was just static. It was like a box, nothing changed. Then Fred Hoyles found that the Universe was expanding and not only expanding but rapidly expanding and that became known as the cosmological constant.

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    So they started to try and measure this cosmological constant. Now, to give you an idea of how precise this has to be, if you have to take a dime and put the numbers 6 upwards on it, And then you had to put tendai in a row. So now you’ve got 10, dice, all the 6 up. And you had to extend it to 150 died, or were they number 6 on the top?

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    The chances of that happening are so infinitesimally small, compared with all the possibilities of that, the die being positioned that, that’s the level of precision of the cosmological constant. And can I just show you what would happen if you changed one of them? Did you notice? I just changed one died that little one there to the number four, at the Top, If the cosmological constant Changed by one flick of a die, There would be no life at all on Earth. There’d be no Universe with one little change. That’s our sensitive things are.

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    In fact, all of these parameters are so perfectly and finely balanced that. The slightest tiniest error would result in there being no life at all anywhere in the universe. Nothing.

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    So what do you think modern Sciences is modern? Science has responses to this wonderful Fit for Life Universe teeming with diversity and Beauty like this. I’m afraid that General response by most scientists is actually quite unscientific. Because remember what we’ve said is, we’ve said that the scripture and data points to there, being a beginning that was designed by God.

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    How do they accommodate that? Because many of them don’t want to believe in a god. So unfortunately what they do is they say they were not just one Universe the universe were in but many that there’s a sea of little bubbles of new universes popping into existence. Some of them terminating immediately some just exploding and we just happened to be in a lucky one. Now that’s the nonsense that’s currently going around and you know you may say well they find they probably educated. People.

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    They know what they talking about. The problem is this is outside of space and time and cannot be measured by science its philosophical. You can’t conduct any instrument measurement off this ever now, or in the future, it is a philosophical idea. In fact, all it does is just kicks. The question just further down the road because who or what created the Sea of evolving universes.

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    And from what? It doesn’t answer the question. It just tries to duck the issue of an initial cause being God himself. Fortunately though, there are many eminent scientists who actually do believe in God and are prepared to say. So, here’s one from Cape Town, George Ellis, a wonderful cosmologists, mathematician, who’s written the book on cosmology in the world.

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    The book, The choosing all the universities. He worked with Stephen Hawking, a remarkable. And very sensitive humble person when he was asked about this. And you can, you can look at them on YouTube and watch his lectures. He says the following There’s an amazing fine-tuning that occurs in the laws that make this complexity possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult for not to use the word miraculous because it is miraculous.

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    It’s miraculous that God did all of these things to create life and to create life. So abundantly in this universe So then we try and answer the question. So can creation and modern science coexist, But I suppose the question, depends. It depends on whether you prepared to accept that. There was an ultimate cause to all of these things. What we’ve seen very plainly today is that God spoke in the universe came into being as Genesis tells us. And the nice thing is it’s actually borne out by data by facts by this strongly life-supporting universe, that science understands But God also spoke and gave us his scriptures.

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    The same God is the originator of the universe and the scriptures. So the remarkable thing is between them, there is no conflict. They have the same Source, the same mind, the same intent, the universe to support life scripture to give life and more abundantly. And that all of those things are unified in The God Who made it. So, The problem is exists between the bottom levels, we scientists and Bible students impose their own human interpretations on things and can act in very foolish ways both of them.

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    And that’s where the conflict often exists but not between the source material, if you genuinely honest. Another way of looking at it. There’s God’s Wonderful World, which is his General Revelation, to all of us about what he did, he created this world of Wonder. You just wake up on a beautiful natal morning and you smell everything.

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    You see the birds and you hear the Hardy dollars and you look at everything and you say, this is truly a wonderful world and you can’t help but be awed by what you see. That’s God’s natural world, his General Revelation, but then these God’s word, which is a special Revelation. You can look at the world, all you like, but you don’t learn more about God. You need the revelation of the word that tells you about him that says, this is the mind.

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    And the reason why I did these things, not just the how this is the why And the interesting thing is both require reason logic to understanding. You can’t be a scientist without reason and logic neither can you be a good Bible student? You could ask questions and you’ve got apply reason logic to the word of God to An interesting thing is we start drawing our thoughts to close then is that the principles of the natural, the how should actually lead us to seek the spiritual, which is the fine in other words, the natural world should actually make us start thinking.

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    There’s got to be more to life than this. There’s gotta be more to life than the beautiful Berg or the dolphin surfing often schlanger. There’s got to be more To even how eat as beautiful as all of that is in perfect. Why does it exist? And that’s really what all of this purposefulness of the universe is designed to do perhaps another way of looking at it.

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    If you take the hierarchy of the Sciences at the bottom, you’ve got maths and logic which teaches the laws of physics which brings out chemistry which gives rise to the biological sciences. And then on the one side that then expands into the cosmological Sciences, the ones relating to the universe. And on the other side, to the applied sciences, the engineering and the social sciences etcetera. Both of them are based on these fundamentals. But all of these are about the, how none of those talk about the.

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    Why even psychology is not the why You need something, imposed from the top down to give purpose, to all of science. You need Theology. And you need ethics and both of those are imposed in top-down form by God. You can’t have emergent morals from a purely physical world. It has to be imposed top down for these these things to actually match with the purpose of the Thing That Grew From The Bottom up. God made the world possible to support life. Now, here’s the purpose from the top down. In other words, you could say those deal with the harm and those deal with the why.

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    And to understand things. Perfectly Heaven and Earth. You need to understand the heart and the why And that you have a perfect understanding of what God is doing and the reason why. Now, if you think this is just a theory, have a look at some of these wonderful scriptures which actually see exactly what we saying. Paul says in Romans 1, I’m quoting from the, the Jewish Bible again, What is known about God is plain to them. Since God has made it plain to them it’s playing for people to see that.

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    There’s something special out there for ever since the creation of the universe. God’s invisible qualities re his power. And his divine nature have been clearly seen how because they can be understood from what he has made. In other words, you know that there’s a great God when you look at the it wonderful Perfection of life that God has allowed to exist on this beautiful planet. They feel.

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    They’ve got no. Excuse God, says that people should just think this came out of of nowhere and has got no reason for existence. You said you without excuse you should be saying it’s got to be a higher reason for all of this. There has to be And here’s part of another clue again from the Jewish Bible, quoting Ecclesiastes, 3 verses 11 to 12.

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    God has made everything suited to its time. Also, he is given human beings and awareness of Eternity. That’s why people are all had. When they see the mountains or the big vast. See, there’s this feeling of Eternity and how small they are. But God’s given him this awareness of Eternity in such a way that they can’t fully comprehend it from beginning to end, the things that God does.

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    So this is tantalizing hint. These more out there human beings. You’ve seen all this, but let me tell you the real story. The why you tantalize by the beauty. Let me tell you why all this exists and in so doing the ultimate perfection. Ian of Genesis 1, verse 1 comes full circle. It’s a reuniting of all things in heaven and in Earth if you and I would step outside just the how to look at the wire of God’s creation and the missing key to all of this is the Lord Jesus Christ himself. Have a look at this verse again from the Jewish Bible Ephesians 1 verses 9 to 10.

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    Remember it was poorly understood by human beings because God has made known to us. Now, his secret plan, it was Kept Secret through all the ages by which the, by his own. Will he designed beforehand? It was all baked in in connection with the Messiah and he will put it into effect when the time is ripe.

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    And what is it? It’s his plan to place everything in heaven and earth. Adama sighs. Hey chip. Isn’t that beautiful? All things are going to be unified in Heaven and Earth the purposeful Universe in which we live with the purpose of it which is Heavenly all a unified in Christ and God’s going to put all of them under his rule. He’s the perfect one.

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    Who was the son of God, and the son of man of heaven and of Earth, he is the perfect key to unlock all of this. He is the purpose. Of Genesis 1 verse 1.

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    I said, cancel on Spaces from Colossians chapter 1, Jesus is the image of the invisible, God, the firstborn over all creation and by firstborn, it means preeminent, it doesn’t mean born first. It means first born as in preeminent, and we get to see that in this verse. He was preeminent over everything. He was the purpose. Why all of this happened for by him? All things were created that are in Heaven and Earth and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether Thrones or Minions or principalities or Powers. All things were created through him and for him, in other words, he’s the father of a new spiritual creation. He is the one who’s brought to being a new creation in him as you.

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    And I are his workmanship in Christ. And he is before, all things and in him all things consist, he’s the head of the body, the church or the Ephesian, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead that in all things? He may have the preeminence. You see wasn’t dummies this before he he was born. He’s got preeminence before he even existed. For peace, the father that’s in him, all the fullness, should dwell the completeness and by him to reconcile all things to himself by him, whether things on earth or things in heaven. Having made peace through the blood of his cross, the blood of the cross on the cross.

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    That was shed for you. And for me reunite, suspect to heaven, we were separated by the foolishness of mankind to be earth-born and earthy to be limited. Just to this beautiful creation but not to send higher Christ has come to reunite us with Heaven. Not take us to Heaven. Reunite us with the Heavenly principles and make us new creatures in.

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    Him, it’s all done through the blood of Christ. It’s the purpose of over Universe. The purpose that God did those things 13.8, billion years ago. All the laws of physics were for this one purpose of binding things in Heaven and Earth under the Lord, Jesus Christ. And you and I here to be his workmanship.

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    It is profound unbelievably profound that God could do all of this to bring many sons to glory and that’s why he’s done it. So if God’s word could create the heavens and the Earth, the question you and I could ask if ourselves is how much is it, changing you? And I to be part of God’s new spiritual Creation in Jesus, he could just speak a word and the universe came to be He’s given us his word that little book on our laps that can change us as much as the universe was changed.

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    If we just let it That’s got to be the thing that we put our effort into my dear friends, more than anything else. It’s got the same power of Creation in US is a creation of all this beautiful universe. Moscow station from Revelation, right? At the end of the book from Genesis, to Revelation the same principle applies behold says, Jesus, I am coming quickly, my reward is with me to give everyone according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning, and the end. The first, and the last Blessed are those who do his Commandments.

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    You see rules are important. The rules created life in this universe, but they also apply to you and me God’s Commandments to create new life in us and Christ. That they may have the right to the Tree of Life. The very thing that was separated from man and Genesis is going to be given to us to participate in life and have it more abundantly. This is a wonderful place in my dear friends, while it is still called today.

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    Let us actually make the effort to follow him and to become a new creation in Christ. Thank you. Thank you for listening to the good christadelphians talks podcast. Please Subscribe for new episodes and leave a review and apple podcast, whatever service you use to help people find the show when they search for it.

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